EPTI think it was a mistake on gumiho part not to play classic
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
I think it was a mistake on gumiho part not to play classic | ||
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FarFarSeer
13 Posts
On June 24 2017 07:44 DieuCure wrote: You can underplay, especially in a situation like this. You can for sure. Are you about to accuse Soo of intentional loss? This is strong accusation for sure, do you have any evidence? I myself I find such allegations offensive. We should respect players a little more, for their sportsmanship including. This is a possibility but not the only one and definitely not the first one in the list. I think it was a mistake on gumiho part not to play classic He played what is the strongest in his arsenal, and not a hidden ace. Gumiho is very well known for mech style in LOTV. Also, we are talking about GSL finalist's viper/SH was rolled over by a mech) Any speculations about SH is a hard counter to mech seems unfounded and stupid) | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
No. Is it intentional loss ? No. Dont be hysterical, and use your brain sometimes please. Same for cycling with the Criterium du dauphiné before the TDF. | ||
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FarFarSeer
13 Posts
On June 24 2017 09:03 DieuCure wrote: Rofl not intentional loss but he wasnt at 100% for sure, if Real Madrid have got a random championship match the same week as Champions league finals ( ye i know it cant happened but it's for the image ), you really think they will play the championship with the same desire, the same commitment, the same players as CL finals ? No. Is it intentional loss ? No. Dont be hysterical, and use your brain sometimes please. Same for cycling with the Criterium du dauphiné before the TDF. Irrelevant example for many reasons. You really have hard times with respect not only to players but even here, on TL. Such bad manners and stupid comments have nothing to do with discussion. If you are too stupid to understand the fact that Soo playing not on 100% and mech are hard countered by 1 unit is totally differen statements... you are just too stupid to understand this. End of story. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On June 23 2017 09:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Nah, everyone and their mother is sick to death of half those maps Maps like that make for good macro games. A lot of people miss maps like akilon wastes, daybreak, and those style of maps. Made for way better games imo. Most of the maps nowadays have ridiculous 3rd/4th bases to take which is already bad enough with LOTV economy. Which btw...why is there no discussion about bringing back 1500 mineral patches? That would stop a lot of the mega aggro play from dominating in LOTV and you can come back easier into games because harrassment isn't as strong when your bases don't dry up so quickly. Protoss/Mech are also inherently made better with 1500 patches because you don't have to extend across the entire map as quickly to max out. I mean...this is very obvious stuff. Why don't Protosses themselves mention or talk about 1500 mineral patches? It would bring back actual macro games and more HOTS style gameplay. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 24 2017 06:57 FarFarSeer wrote: About mech being viable on top level: soO vs. GuMiho - ZvT - Olimoleague #93 + Show Spoiler + Gumiho 3-0'ed Soo with pure mech, against late game Viper/SH comps If Soo won't find very specific timings, GSL final will be one-sided. Just saying, any professional Starcraft player would have to be one hell of an idiot to go all-out in an online tourney that is very literally a few days before GSL finals. Highly likely that both soO and Gumiho were hiding strats. The fact that soO lost simply implies he hid more. The real test is of course the offline Bo7 in 8 hours. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On June 24 2017 09:45 FarFarSeer wrote: Irrelevant example for many reasons. You really have hard times with respect not only to players but even here, on TL. Such bad manners and stupid comments have nothing to do with discussion. If you are too stupid to understand the fact that Soo playing not on 100% and mech are hard countered by 1 unit is totally differen statements... you are just too stupid to understand this. End of story. OK and which reasons ? You are fooling yourself acting like an histeric persona saying I'm disrespecting soO because you can't understand that things have different issues, and believing you are a better person than me just because you are very credulous, innocent. I just said that he wasnt at his max and hid some counter and you came out of your hinges by accusing me of anything because of your extremist interpretation. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17403 Posts
On June 22 2017 17:14 Vanadiel wrote: Every single time, every community feedback, there is a guy asking for adjustment of balance to fit its own playstyle. It still makes no sense. Guess what, I like playing lurkers vs terran: is it efficient? Not so much, not too bad either, but I kind of like it playing agressive lurker against bio. Would it help me to buff it to make it more viable against bio? Sure, then what? I'd gain maybe a league, then it would be something else that prevent me to progress. Whatever the race, whatever your playstyle, the main limitation of what your perceive as balance is your own skill. Let's say we remove SwarmHost : you'll feel good, you're going to go from plat to diamond, or diamond to master, whatever. Then you're going to hit again your own limitations of your skill in the game, and you're going to get beaten by good Viper control, or Nyddus, or Hydralisk strength, and you're going to be exactly as the state of mind as you are today. very good points here. thx for posting. | ||
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FarFarSeer
13 Posts
First, metaphors can't prove or refute anything. Second, we talked about very specific thing - mech viability in late game vs Z. How on earth your fantasy about football connected to the point? Anyway, real world dispel any fallacies and now you should talk about real things without discourtesy. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
Obviously the Koreans are much better players but it took a long time before Korean Terrans started to go mass Ravens. Now it seems Korean Zergs still not realize how broken Swarm Hosts are against mech. I predict that GuMiho mech will force the Korean Zerg to learn how to use Swarm Hosts. Then mech will be extinct once again. Then in mid 2018 Swarm Hosts will finally be nerfed even though they have been OP all this time. I will link back to this post once we are there. | ||
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Elentos
55568 Posts
On June 24 2017 20:48 MockHamill wrote: I wonder why the Korean meta is so behind the EU/NA one? Obviously the Koreans are much better players but it took a long time before Korean Terrans started to go mass Ravens. Now it seems Korean Zergs still not realize how broken Swarm Hosts are against mech. I predict that GuMiho mech will force the Korean Zerg to learn how to use Swarm Hosts. Then mech will be extinct once again. Then in mid 2018 Swarm Hosts will be finally be nerfed even though they have been OP all this time. I will link back to this post once we are there. They don't go SH against GuMiho because he goes thor drops every game to counter SH play. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
On June 24 2017 20:51 Elentos wrote: They don't go SH against GuMiho because he goes thor drops every game to counter SH play. Except Thor drops are countered by Swarm Hosts/Hydra or Swarm Hosts/Corruptor. It works right now but it will not work once the Korean Zergs have adapted. | ||
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On June 24 2017 20:52 MockHamill wrote: Except Thor drops are countered by Swarm Hosts/Hydra or Swarm Hosts/Corruptor. It works right now but it will not work once the Korean Zergs have adapted. So you say something won't work once people have adapted, but you're asking to nerf something because you don't want to adapt? | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
On June 24 2017 23:39 reneg wrote: So you say something won't work once people have adapted, but you're asking to nerf something because you don't want to adapt? I am saying mech is almost impossible to play if the opponent abuses Swarm Hosts and build support units for them. But as long as Zerg do not build Swarm Hosts mech is viable. Korean Zergs are behind the meta and when they catch up mech will be dead. | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
We are only playing, everything should be on a red carpet for us! | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On June 25 2017 00:17 MockHamill wrote: I am saying mech is almost impossible to play if the opponent abuses Swarm Hosts and build support units for them. But as long as Zerg do not build Swarm Hosts mech is viable. Korean Zergs are behind the meta and when they catch up mech will be dead. I guess your ladder opponents are just a level above soO | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
On June 25 2017 00:51 DBooN wrote: I guess your ladder opponents are just a level above soO Not in skill but in meta, yes. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17403 Posts
On June 22 2017 16:31 MockHamill wrote: Swarm Hosts? lift up your Thors with Medivacs. bye bye Swarmhosts. re ductio ad absurdum. thanks for the laugh though. Swarmhosts are already a solved problem. the game is fine... the entire genre is in decline and there is nothing anyone can do about it... it goes beyond the scope of in-game dynamics. Namco and Data East could not stop the multibillion dollar dot-eating-maze game genre from declining. same shit .. different decade. Now if you'll excuse me i'm trying to finish #1 in this season's Pacman Championship Edition ladder contest. | ||
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Suchbalancemuchwow
76 Posts
No ghosts (like 4 or so) were made in the ascension to Aiur game to snipe preferably spellcasters. As we all know snipe is about as ultimate as it gets for cost-efficiency. SoO barely had any vipers in lategame he had around 3 or so at time. The real counter to extreme lategame Mech Terran is mass abduct, clearly not broodlords and mass corruptor as we were shown. No wonder when you think about it for 2 seconds. That BC tactic was obviously really cool and all, but all it takes are some burrowed infestors to neural them and it's bye bye Battlecruisers. Of course SoO would have done this if he had mastered the meta completely. For good reason he hasn't because there is barely anyone who plays like Gumiho. So in short it's quite possible that both Gumiho and SoO haven't mastered the extreme lategame as much as you might believe. Lets hope Gumiho inspired the koreans to play more mech, then the holes it has as a playstyle will surely be more apparent. Plebeian opinion means nothing to people after all. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17403 Posts
both players were doing feints and counters and reading the reactions to their feints. etc etc etc. again though .. anyone with a 2 sentence "solution" to beating either of these guys is welcome to fly to Seoul and pick up some easy money. | ||
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