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On June 25 2017 18:48 TheHumanLife wrote:Show nested quote +This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point. This is why region lock is a stupid system made by blizzard, which is the only difference. Foreigners can compete in GSL freely while Koreans are not allowed in WCS Circuit... I mean there's nothing wrong foreigners play in GSL, we want the league to be more popular and globalized, but the only problem is 'Koreans are not allowed in WCS Dreamhack' What a fair play by blizzard.
It was the only way to have an American champion.
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On June 25 2017 18:46 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what?? Coming to grips with the fact that the Korean scene is almost entirely dead. We're under 32 Code S level Koreans now. I don't imagine that number growing until the end of 2018.
yeah that hurts. But we all knew that was coming someday. We're at that point, the future looks rather dire. I hope 2018 isn't the last year we enjoy pro sc2...
Let's enjoy what we are given though, this GSL should offer a great deal of excitement !
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BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans.
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On June 25 2017 18:48 TheHumanLife wrote:Show nested quote +This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point. This is why region lock is a stupid system made by blizzard, which is the only difference. Foreigners can compete in GSL freely while Koreans are not allowed in WCS Circuit... I mean there's nothing wrong foreigners play in GSL, we want the league to be more popular and globalized, but the only problem is 'Koreans are not allowed in WCS Dreamhack' What a fair play by blizzard.
Agreed, either both regions are region locked or everything is open.
Current system is just unfair.
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On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans.
It's on the Korean server.
We will see Scarlett and the rest of the players that are in Korea, but would've loved to see more EU players vs Koreans :/.
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On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer??
If they are that good, why the stupid region-lock then?
Also, it is not just a problem with foreigners in GSL but NoRegret in GSL Code S! I don't even know what to say.
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On June 25 2017 18:53 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans. It's on the Korean server.
But foreigners can still participate if they want, right?
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On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans.
There are only 10 spots open, and the skill gap between the best ~30 Koreans and the best 10 Koreans is a fucking chasm.
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On June 25 2017 18:55 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:53 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans. It's on the Korean server. But foreigners can still participate if they want, right?
Yeah but EU to KR ping is pretty much unplayable and even NA to KR is difficult. So don't expect many foreigners outside of Korea to try.
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On June 25 2017 18:55 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:53 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans. It's on the Korean server. But foreigners can still participate if they want, right?
They can. I think Nerchio wants to give it a try but the ping is just too much from EU so he doesn't hold his breath for it. I'm sure others foreigners in KR will try. I know Elazer will for sure.
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But foreigners can still participate if they want, right?
If the qualification is only played on KR server, then Koreans have massive advantage to qualify unless IEM invites few foreigners. So I don't think IEM Shanghai is a good chance for foreigners.
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On June 25 2017 18:55 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:53 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans. It's on the Korean server. But foreigners can still participate if they want, right?
Yeah, but it means we will see the same foreingers as today. Would've loved to see some more EU players vs Koreans.
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On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong.
Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby??
how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth?
On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me !
For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers.
People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it.
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On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth?
So, why can they qualify in code S then ?
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On June 25 2017 18:58 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:55 Alarak89 wrote:On June 25 2017 18:53 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans. It's on the Korean server. But foreigners can still participate if they want, right? Yeah, but it means we will see the same foreingers as today. Would've loved to see some more EU players vs Koreans.
Well this is just an remainder, as you may know, the tournaments are completely compacted during the month of July if you are a top player.
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On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me ! For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers. People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it.
Wow, for GSL you said about the best players should advance, and for WCS you said Blizzard doesnt want to see all Korean vs Korean. What an argument ! So tell me what the hell you are considering ? Skill level or nationality ?
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Cant wait to see Maru drop a manner CC against noregret, he deserves it
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Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby??
how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth?
Well if what you said is true then the foreign scene does not deserved to be called 'pro scene' If you are gonna make such excuse, then treat your league as rural amateurs league.
For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers.
People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it.
Do you know the meaning of professional scene? The better player always deserve to take all the money and trophy. It is not only about nationality. Koreans or foreigners whoever it is, the best player deserved to get all the money and trophy. The region lock system is a shameful system.
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On June 25 2017 19:03 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? So, why can they qualify in code S then ?
Cant Koreans play in WCS? I remember Polt and Hydra playing WCS last year.. Hell even TRUE won one of the DreamHacks.. in Montreal if think.. against Polt.. and guess what.. they are both Koreans
TRUE is rank 8 in current WCS with 1230 points..
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On June 25 2017 19:08 TheHumanLife wrote:Show nested quote +Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby??
how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? Well if what you said is true then the foreign scene does not deserved to be called 'pro scene' If you are gonna make such excuse, then treat your league as rural amateurs league. Show nested quote +For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers.
People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it. Do you know the meaning of professional scene? The better player always deserve to take all the money and trophy. It is not only about nationality. Koreans or foreigners whoever it is, the best player deserved to get all the money and trophy. The region lock system is a shameful system.
cant disagree
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