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Offline qualifiers for 2017 GSL Season 3 will be held on JUNE 25th
Qualifiers Application Period
- JUNE 13th, 2017 ~ JUNE 18th, 2017 Sunday 23:59PM (KST)
GSL Season 3 Qualifiers Offline Event:
JUNE 25th(Sunday) 2017 (KST)
Location: AfreecaTV PC Bang, Hongik Sniversity, Seoul
Participation Requirements:
- Must be at least 12 years old
- Need to have a SC2 Battle.net account (cannot use your family's or friends' accounts)
- Masters/Grandmaster league players (Any Region)
Match Format:
- Bo3 (2 wins to advance)
Map Pool
- 1Set Ascension to Aiur
- 2Set Proxima Station
- 3Set Odyssey
Please send the following information to gsl@afreecatv.com for your application.
- Full Name:
- Birth date:
- Country:
- Phone Number and Skype ID:
- Battle.Net SCII Account:
- Ladder Score:
- StarCraft II Character Name:
- Team:
- Race:
- Email address:
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us at gsl@afreecatv.com
Thank you.
AfreecaTV
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Hope to see Neeb try it out
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On June 01 2017 20:18 AzAlexZ wrote:
Hope to see Neeb try it out
I think he mentioned GSL in an interview at WCS Austin
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On June 01 2017 20:18 AzAlexZ wrote:
Hope to see Neeb try it out
It's gonna be a tight schedule since he's traveling from America to Sweden June 17-20 for WCS Jonkoping, and he'd have to go straight to Korea from Sweden for the offline GSL qualifier on June 25, and even if he did that it's still a lot of jet lag. So I wouldn't blame him if he chose not to. On the other hand if he does go to Korea then he would be on the right server for the IEM Shanghai global open qualifiers June 25-26 (tho I'm guessing Neeb and many Koreans are not gonna play in the June 25 qualifier due to conflicting with GSL qual).
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On June 02 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
Ez group for Cure please
Well Cure being in the group makes it easy for the other guys in there 
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On June 02 2017 01:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:Well Cure being in the group makes it easy for the other guys in there
Sick burn yo!
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On June 02 2017 02:04 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 01:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 02 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
Ez group for Cure please Well Cure being in the group makes it easy for the other guys in there Sick burn yo!
Just the truth 
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Cure was top 3 terran in 2016.
So underrated.
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On June 02 2017 06:10 DieuCure wrote:
Cure was top 3 terran in 2016.
So underrated.
Check the date please.
2016 has come and gone. Part of history now. Just like Cure.
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Ye so he is more talented than most of your terrans.
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On June 02 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
Ez group for Cure please
I'm a fan of Cure, but if he can't even beat Armani to qualify, he's not going to accomplish anything in GSL.
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Neeb had better follow through on his claims >:0
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On June 02 2017 08:14 Boggyb wrote:I'm a fan of Cure, but if he can't even beat Armani to qualify, he's not going to accomplish anything in GSL.
Hey dont doubt !
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Bumping so people get aware this is tomorrow.
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Hope Neeb tries to qualify, need a good player to cheer for in the GSL
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Wrong thread.
Ummm...Go Pet
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On Shoutcraft Kings stream, they said that Neeb is in Korea along with Ptitdrogo and Elazer. So they should play along with Scarlett and Major.
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Hoping HerO can make it this time!
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Is NoRegret gonna livestream the qualifiers again?
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I'm stressed 
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On June 02 2017 08:25 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2017 08:14 Boggyb wrote:On June 02 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
Ez group for Cure please I'm a fan of Cure, but if he can't even beat Armani to qualify, he's not going to accomplish anything in GSL. Hey dont doubt !
On June 25 2017 09:06 DieuCure wrote:I'm stressed
Someone needs to follow his own advice.
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On June 25 2017 08:05 pvsnp wrote:
Is NoRegret gonna livestream the qualifiers again?
Yes, says he's got some new equipment so it'll be a much smoother stream too
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On June 25 2017 09:34 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 08:05 pvsnp wrote:
Is NoRegret gonna livestream the qualifiers again? Yes, says he's got some new equipment so it'll be a much smoother stream too
Great, will be looking forward to seeing him + Scarlett/MajOr/Neeb. Also cool to see the qualifiers at all (seems like it would be pretty simple for Afreeca to stream them officially, no?).
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Ah yes I'm stupid, thanks .
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always hyped for qualfiiers
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The month of July will be a treatment for Korean players and fans (especially who are in China). This qualifier is only an appetizer.
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Group C is the biggest joke ever ?
Nvm haven't seen Bunny
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Alright, barcodes in challonge brackets is going over the top, imho.
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HASU!
Pity he's in the same group as alive, seed and major 
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Byul Dear and Forte in the same group
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Didn't know JonSnow was in Korea
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wow Keen Creator TY group of death
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I want to see Has vs this 900 aligulac point foreigner first
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On June 25 2017 11:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I want to see Has vs this 900 aligulac point foreigner first
who hasnt played a tournament game since 2015 apparently
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Afternoon session = harder right ?
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On June 25 2017 11:41 DieuCure wrote:Afternoon session = harder right ?
Usually yes. I guess there will be more groups of death.
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So Scarlett + Neeb are going to play in afternoon qualifiers?
And by "Group of Death" I take it you mean "a group with at least 2 strong players?"
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On June 25 2017 11:50 pvsnp wrote:
So Scarlett + Neeb are going to play in afternoon qualifiers?
And by "Group of Death" I take it you mean "a group with at least 2 strong players?"
inb4 Inno, ByuN, herO, Dark group
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Solar , Byun, Cure, Neeb, Kelazhyr, Scarlett, Dark, INnoVation, Zest, sOs, herO, Losira, Ryung are in afternoon session I guess
Lose one of them should be disappointing
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On June 25 2017 11:53 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 11:50 pvsnp wrote:
So Scarlett + Neeb are going to play in afternoon qualifiers?
And by "Group of Death" I take it you mean "a group with at least 2 strong players?" inb4 Inno, ByuN, herO, Dark group
Ro16 in the qualifiers boys, let's do this.
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On June 25 2017 11:57 DieuCure wrote:
Solar , Byun, Cure, Neeb, Kelazhyr, Scarlett, Dark, INnoVation, Zest, sOs, herO, Losira, Ryung are in afternoon session I guess
Lose one of them should be disappointing
Well, Solar, ByuN, Dark, INnoVation, and herO are the clear favorites and given there are 8 groups, we can reasonably expect all of them to make it through.
The others are uncertain. Some will make it, some might not.
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Has 2-0 random american protoss guy
literal GOD
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Oooooo liquipedia is updating
can't wait to wake up and see who made it.
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congrats to seed for still being good enough to beat random masters players
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Curious 2-0 Aswell
Jim 2-0 Trevi, Faces ByuL
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Aswell = Rushcrazy. people might have at least heard of that ID
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Why do they have so many groups when most are byes for the early stages?
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On June 25 2017 12:12 Parrek wrote:
Why do they have so many groups when most are byes for the early stages?
because 28 people have to qualify now
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On June 25 2017 12:12 Parrek wrote:
Why do they have so many groups when most are byes for the early stages?
There need to be 14 groups total for the 28 Code S slots to fill.
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On June 25 2017 12:13 Shellshock wrote: Pet 2-0  jjakji
Unexpected
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Thx to NoRegreT for streaming!!! What a boss 
And good luck to the foreign hopes of course!
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On June 25 2017 12:19 Shellshock wrote: Creator 2-1 KeeN
poor Creator, rematch curse is going to get him
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On June 25 2017 12:21 Inflicted wrote:poor Creator, rematch curse is going to get him
I was thinking the same thing
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MajOr 1-0 with some Korean terran splits
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Major 1 - 0 Seed; nvm too late
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 Curious 2-0 Rogue, Curious gonna Curious and qualifies
wtf Rogue you took 2 games off soO and you blow it vs Curious?
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On June 25 2017 12:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Curious 2-0 Rogue, Curious gonna Curious and qualifies wtf Rogue you took 2 games off soO and you blow it vs Curious?
curious just made $2600 in like 45 min. 2 ez
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Is it Curious' turn to win a GSL
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On June 25 2017 12:26 Inflicted wrote:
Is it Curious' turn to win a GSL
no he's just too confused about how good to be since there's no Code A to gatekeep
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On June 25 2017 12:26 Inflicted wrote:
Is it Curious' turn to win a GSL
No. Only old-guy Terrans are allowed
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On June 25 2017 12:26 Inflicted wrote:
Is it Curious' turn to win a GSL
If Gumiho can win, why the hell not? He'll just get soO in the finals probably anyway
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On June 25 2017 12:29 Shellshock wrote: aLive 2-0 Has
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On June 25 2017 12:29 Shellshock wrote: aLive 2-0 Has
I still want Has to make it, it would save Starcraft
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Oh wow, I hadn't realized this was happening so soon after the season 2 finals.
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so the longest first series to be played is Super vs Junbo. must be the greatest PvP of all time
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On June 25 2017 12:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Curious 2-0 Rogue, Curious gonna Curious and qualifies wtf Rogue you took 2 games off soO and you blow it vs Curious?
The Gatekeeper returns.
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On June 25 2017 12:33 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 12:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Curious 2-0 Rogue, Curious gonna Curious and qualifies wtf Rogue you took 2 games off soO and you blow it vs Curious? The Gatekeeper returns.
Sexy Boi has been judged as Code A
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On June 25 2017 12:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Curious 2-0 Rogue, Curious gonna Curious and qualifies wtf Rogue you took 2 games off soO and you blow it vs Curious?
Qualifier ZvZ man. Last time leifeng took a map off ByuL.
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On June 25 2017 12:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Curious 2-0 Rogue, Curious gonna Curious and qualifies wtf Rogue you took 2 games off soO and you blow it vs Curious?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6sxxHNF.jpg)
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Patience 2-0 Bunny and qualifies
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Creator vs TY on proxima so they're 1-1
wait that's map 2
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On June 25 2017 12:32 Shellshock wrote:
so the longest first series to be played is Super vs Junbo. must be the greatest PvP of all time
You forgot sOs vs. Eagle in last season's GSL qualifier, when carriers arrives...
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On June 25 2017 12:41 Inflicted wrote:
Creator vs TY on proxima so they're 1-1
SLUMP CONFIRMED for TY
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special 2-0 seed, now playing alive
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On June 25 2017 12:42 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 12:41 Inflicted wrote:
Creator vs TY on proxima so they're 1-1 SLUMP CONFIRMED for TY
wait I think the map order is wrong? MajOr vs Seed game 2 was proxima too
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On June 25 2017 12:43 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 12:42 Shellshock wrote:On June 25 2017 12:41 Inflicted wrote:
Creator vs TY on proxima so they're 1-1 SLUMP CONFIRMED for TY wait I think the map order is wrong? MajOr vs Seed game 2 was proxima too
slump confirmation put on hold
OP says Odyssey is map 3
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hosting a damn interview right over his shoulder for bleeping sakes.
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so Jonsnow in the decider match against Bunny? gl
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On June 25 2017 12:48 FataLe wrote:
hosting a damn interview right over his shoulder for bleeping sakes.
i blinked and i missed the ending is he down 0-1 now?
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On June 25 2017 12:49 Meepman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 12:48 FataLe wrote:
hosting a damn interview right over his shoulder for bleeping sakes. i blinked and i missed the ending is he down 0-1 now?
yea he is down 0-1 now
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the silver lining is we might get to see Major vs Has if he loses to aLive and Has can beat Seed
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I want major to win so we get the chance at Major AND Has in code S
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On June 25 2017 12:55 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I want major to win so we get the chance at Major AND Has in code S
aLive is having none of that
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lol I think Creator just killed like 4 of his own DTs with a disruptor over there
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been waiting on group f for what seems like ages
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Creator's still alive, TY slump confirmed
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Hopefully SoO will win this GSL
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aLive is really wrecking special.
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On June 25 2017 12:59 AlexGPunkt wrote:
aLive is really wrecking special.
kela not sharing copa american tvt dominance strats
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Creator TY game 2 is a pretty long game for lotv
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On June 25 2017 12:57 Shellshock wrote:
lol I think Creator just killed like 4 of his own DTs with a disruptor over there
mistakes were made in the game of the year
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aLive wrecked MajOr, but he still has a good chance to qualify through Seed since he 2-0'd him already.
Rematch curse tho, I suppose.
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Seed 2-0 Has. Dream Ded
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On June 25 2017 13:02 pvsnp wrote:
aLive wrecked MajOr, but he still has a good chance to qualify through Has/Seed.
I think so too. Has should be no problem for Spacial and Seed is doable as well...as long as GSL group curse will not accur.
Edit: Results came in a ted too late
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On June 25 2017 12:49 Shellshock wrote:
so Jonsnow in the decider match against Bunny? gl
Strange. It says on the Afreeca page that JYP is facing Bunny
Edit: They fixed it now.
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On June 25 2017 13:06 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 12:49 Shellshock wrote:
so Jonsnow in the decider match against Bunny? gl Strange. It says on the Afreeca page that JYP is facing Bunny.
they fixed it
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On June 25 2017 13:06 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 12:49 Shellshock wrote:
so Jonsnow in the decider match against Bunny? gl Strange. It says on the Afreeca page that JYP is facing Bunny.
must be a mistake. Challonge shows JonSnow beating JYP and noregret said he beat JYP on his stream
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Bunny beats JonSnow to qualify
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On June 25 2017 13:17 showstealer1829 wrote: Dear 2-0 ByuL
so Dear is like actually back for real now?
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Major qualifies for code S
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special 2- 0 against Seed and qualifies
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SPECIAL (MAJOR) 2-0's SEED TO QUALIFY LETS GO FOREIGNERS
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HerO 2-0 Rushcrazy
Rogue beats HerO and Qualifies
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Rogue qualifies for Code S :D:D:D:D
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On June 25 2017 13:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Rogue qualifies for Code S :D:D:D:D
yeah he beat some diamond toss to get in
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On June 25 2017 13:19 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 13:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Rogue qualifies for Code S :D:D:D:D yeah he beat some diamond toss to get in
HerO's still diamond?
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Who is noregret streaming?
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On June 25 2017 13:33 Colouss wrote:
Who is noregret streaming?
Byul vs Forte
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Jjakji beats Pet and qualifies
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On June 25 2017 13:17 Shellshock wrote:so Dear is like actually back for real now?
We don't know, sOs beats Byul 2-0 in SSL S1 qualifier and we all know what happened to them in SSL.
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On June 25 2017 13:36 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 13:17 Shellshock wrote:On June 25 2017 13:17 showstealer1829 wrote:Dear 2-0 ByuL so Dear is like actually back for real now? We don't know, sOs beats Byul 2-0 in SSL S1 qualifier and we all know what happened to them in SSL.
Lol Dear is pretty good right now since May his results are.
2-0 Maru
2-1 Classic
0-2 Dark
3-0 ByuN
0-2 Rogue/herO
3-1 herO
3-2 Ryung
1-3 Classic
2-3 TY
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KeeN beats Creator and qualifies
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Poor Creator
RIP Lorning
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Maru all over again.
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I have to imagine failing to make it to Code S would prompt any player to consider retiring.
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That looks like a retiring soon face to me
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On June 25 2017 13:39 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 13:36 Alarak89 wrote:On June 25 2017 13:17 Shellshock wrote:On June 25 2017 13:17 showstealer1829 wrote:Dear 2-0 ByuL so Dear is like actually back for real now? We don't know, sOs beats Byul 2-0 in SSL S1 qualifier and we all know what happened to them in SSL. Lol Dear is pretty good right now since May his results are. 2-0 Maru 2-1 Classic 0-2 Dark 3-0 ByuN 0-2 Rogue/herO 3-1 herO 3-2 Ryung 1-3 Classic 2-3 TY
I hope Dear is back, but until he advances to Ro.16, I have to hold my doubt since SSL and GSL experience are not mutual (and this doubt is not only for Dear but any Protoss).
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On June 25 2017 13:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Forte beats ByuL to qualify, ByuL out
Chin not powerful enough.
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On June 25 2017 13:51 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 13:39 SNSeigifried wrote:On June 25 2017 13:36 Alarak89 wrote:On June 25 2017 13:17 Shellshock wrote:On June 25 2017 13:17 showstealer1829 wrote:Dear 2-0 ByuL so Dear is like actually back for real now? We don't know, sOs beats Byul 2-0 in SSL S1 qualifier and we all know what happened to them in SSL. Lol Dear is pretty good right now since May his results are. 2-0 Maru 2-1 Classic 0-2 Dark 3-0 ByuN 0-2 Rogue/herO 3-1 herO 3-2 Ryung 1-3 Classic 2-3 TY I hope Dear is back, but until he advances to Ro.16, I have to hold my doubt since SSL and GSL experience are not mutual (and this doubt is not only for Dear but any Protoss).
He was in ro16 of GSL last season lol.
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Btw ByuL losing 1-2 to Forte pretty much killed his Blizzcon dreams after being rank 10 in the standings too
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On June 25 2017 14:01 SNSeigifried wrote:Btw ByuL losing 1-2 to Forte pretty much killed his Blizzcon dreams after being rank 10 in the standings too
He might just sneak into a spot if he wins SSL.
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On June 25 2017 14:00 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 13:51 Alarak89 wrote:On June 25 2017 13:39 SNSeigifried wrote:On June 25 2017 13:36 Alarak89 wrote:On June 25 2017 13:17 Shellshock wrote:On June 25 2017 13:17 showstealer1829 wrote:Dear 2-0 ByuL so Dear is like actually back for real now? We don't know, sOs beats Byul 2-0 in SSL S1 qualifier and we all know what happened to them in SSL. Lol Dear is pretty good right now since May his results are. 2-0 Maru 2-1 Classic 0-2 Dark 3-0 ByuN 0-2 Rogue/herO 3-1 herO 3-2 Ryung 1-3 Classic 2-3 TY I hope Dear is back, but until he advances to Ro.16, I have to hold my doubt since SSL and GSL experience are not mutual (and this doubt is not only for Dear but any Protoss). He was in ro16 of GSL last season lol.
I know, but the key is this season.
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On June 25 2017 13:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Forte beats ByuL to qualify, ByuL out
Whoa, now that was unexpected. ByuL failing to qualify at all, is he the new Zest?
Also, tons of Terrans now, I hope the afternoon session makes up for this so we don't have too many TvTs.
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On June 25 2017 14:06 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 14:01 SNSeigifried wrote:Btw ByuL losing 1-2 to Forte pretty much killed his Blizzcon dreams after being rank 10 in the standings too He might just sneak into a spot if he wins SSL.
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On June 25 2017 14:06 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 14:01 SNSeigifried wrote:Btw ByuL losing 1-2 to Forte pretty much killed his Blizzcon dreams after being rank 10 in the standings too He might just sneak into a spot if he wins SSL.
I like ByuL and sad to see him failed to qualify for GSL. Unless he wins SSL and IEM coming up and somehow aLive, herO and Dark screw up all together. Then, he may sneak in. Otherwise, SSL has all big names in top 8 including Maru, aLive, Dark and herO who are in #6, #7 and #8 (Dark and herO) in ranking respectively. The top 5 in KR ranking is done deal. Inno, Stats, GuMiho, soO and TY.
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Alright so we have 4 Toss, 3 Zerg and 8 Terrans so far. Hopefully that balances out later today
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On June 25 2017 14:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Alright so we have 4 Toss, 3 Zerg and 8 Terrans so far. Hopefully that balances out later today
Yep, definitely don't want to watch a ton of TvTs. There aren't too many Terrans left though, just INnoVation, ByuN and Ryung I think. So it should work out fine.
Also it is 7 Terrans, not 8. 7 + 4 + 3 = 14.
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On June 25 2017 14:35 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 14:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Alright so we have 4 Toss, 3 Zerg and 8 Terrans so far. Hopefully that balances out later today Yep, definitely don't want to watch a ton of TvTs. There aren't too many Terrans left though, just INnoVation, ByuN and Ryung I think. So it should work out fine. Also it is 7 Terrans, not 8. 7 + 4 + 3 = 14.
Damn it someone on liquipedia miscounted and I didn't count myself
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On June 25 2017 14:35 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 14:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Alright so we have 4 Toss, 3 Zerg and 8 Terrans so far. Hopefully that balances out later today Yep, definitely don't want to watch a ton of TvTs. There aren't too many Terrans left though, just INnoVation, ByuN and Ryung I think. So it should work out fine. Also it is 7 Terrans, not 8. 7 + 4 + 3 = 14.
Wouldn't it be wild if Cure made it?
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So far so good. Only surprise is ByuL is out. The rest look expected.
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On June 25 2017 14:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 14:35 pvsnp wrote:On June 25 2017 14:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Alright so we have 4 Toss, 3 Zerg and 8 Terrans so far. Hopefully that balances out later today Yep, definitely don't want to watch a ton of TvTs. There aren't too many Terrans left though, just INnoVation, ByuN and Ryung I think. So it should work out fine. Also it is 7 Terrans, not 8. 7 + 4 + 3 = 14. Wouldn't it be wild if Cure made it?
LOL. We may forget that Cure exists despite how annoying his fan is (AKA DieuCure or whatever his name is).
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I think I saw Parting on camera? Or is it my illusion?
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Terrans are too strong in this tourney
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I gotta say looking at the list of players kind of makes me sad. The same group of players all the time. No new blood. The list is kind of getting smaller the more players go to military. The Korean scene is depressing.
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On June 25 2017 15:05 AshC wrote:
I gotta say looking at the list of players kind of makes me sad. The same group of players all the time. No new blood. The list is kind of getting smaller the more players go to military.
There's no motivation for new players to come in to the scene. In the past you could get a job as a practice partner or play in weeklies to get a shot in Code A or Proleague, but now that infrastructure is gone and the active pros are like a brick wall that no amateurs can get past. Soon GSL will have to downsize to less than 32 players, unless they want anyone who shows up to the qualifiers to play in Code S.
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On June 25 2017 14:58 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
Terrans are too strong in this tourney
Not really, the numbers are misleading because most of them got put into the morning session. The afternoon one should have very few Terrans.
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Nightmare trying to qualify :O
I kinda hope he makes it, but losira and byun in his group makes it tough
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Zest MyuNgSiK TIME Scarlett in Group B, rip
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Scarlett has an easy group, just Zest, Time and Myungsik. She should have no problems qualifying even if she loses once. /s
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Group B group of death wtf is that?
Okay maybe it's not that Death-y. Myungsik probably isn't in good form again yet and Time isn't that great so it's doable for Scarlett. Even Zest is pretty beatable
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NoRegret and Drogo in a group with INnoVation, rip.
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Solar Cloudy Hurricane Neeb all in a group. Neeb should be able to win that
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On June 25 2017 15:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Solar Cloudy Hurricane Neeb all in a group. Neeb should be able to win that
I think Elazer/PtitDrogo/Neeb/Scarlett are all going to Code S.
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On June 25 2017 15:35 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 15:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Solar Cloudy Hurricane Neeb all in a group. Neeb should be able to win that I think Elazer/PtitDrogo/Neeb/Scarlett are all going to Code S.
I hope, but I have a bad feeling one or two of them are going out.
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On June 25 2017 15:35 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 15:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Solar Cloudy Hurricane Neeb all in a group. Neeb should be able to win that I think Elazer/PtitDrogo/Neeb/Scarlett are all going to Code S.
I think Impact is gonna destroy Drogo, other 3 should be easy though
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I love how Noregret's voice jumps an octave when he says "INnoVation!?"
To be fair, he did get shafted by the brackets, Drogo+Impact+INnoVation is a shit group for him.
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On June 25 2017 15:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Solar Cloudy Hurricane Neeb all in a group. Neeb should be able to win that
Or at the very least get second. Though, I will su that Hurricane has played well at times in online tournaments against decently high level opponents. But barring any upsets, Solar/Neeb or even Neeb/Solar should get out.
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On June 25 2017 15:35 SNSeigifried wrote:
I think Elazer/PtitDrogo/Neeb/Scarlett are all going to Code S.
I hope so
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Man most of these afternoon brackets are laughably easy.
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yeah rip jake and drogo, I'm cheering for Impact
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On June 25 2017 15:41 Elentos wrote:
Man most of these afternoon brackets are laughably easy.
The afternoon seems harder then the morning bracket though...
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On June 25 2017 15:43 AlexGPunkt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 15:41 Elentos wrote:
Man most of these afternoon brackets are laughably easy. The afternoon seems harder then the morning bracket though...
Have to disagree with that. Morning had a few groups that eliminated Code S level players. Strongest player who's gonna get eliminated in Afternoon is probably Drogo.
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On June 25 2017 15:46 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 15:43 AlexGPunkt wrote:On June 25 2017 15:41 Elentos wrote:
Man most of these afternoon brackets are laughably easy. The afternoon seems harder then the morning bracket though... Have to disagree with that. Morning had a few groups that eliminated Code S level players. Strongest player who's gonna get eliminated in Afternoon is probably Drogo.
yeop, i would say Afternoon session is harder for foreigners to get through, When it comes to Korean players it looks pretty straight forward, we won't see pros on the lvl of Byul, Seed, Pet Super etc get knocked out.
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On June 25 2017 15:49 Light_VIP wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 15:46 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 15:43 AlexGPunkt wrote:On June 25 2017 15:41 Elentos wrote:
Man most of these afternoon brackets are laughably easy. The afternoon seems harder then the morning bracket though... Have to disagree with that. Morning had a few groups that eliminated Code S level players. Strongest player who's gonna get eliminated in Afternoon is probably Drogo. yeop, i would say Afternoon session is harder for foreigners to get through, When it comes to Korean players it looks pretty straight forward, we won't see pros on the lvl of Byul, Seed, Pet Super etc get knocked out.
Thats what I meant, harder for foreigners...
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Myungsik 1-0 Scarlett, convincing macro game, this isn't looking good
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Myungsik wins first game against Scarlett. Successfully defended hydra/limg/bane too, a solid macro game.
Myungsik definitely back in form.
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Scarlett 0 - 2 Myungsik
Edit: Pure strategy. Let Zest and Myungsik wear themselves out...
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Myungsik 2-0 Scarlett
I... I"m just going to go to bed I think. I don't want to watch anymore
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Myungsik 2-0 Scarlett
Scarlett drops to loser bracket.
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On June 25 2017 16:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Myungsik 2-0 Scarlett I... I"m just going to go to bed I think. I don't want to watch anymore
At least it's not Pet 
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Myungsik winning is hilarious.
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Inno 1-0 Drogo
Neeb 1-0 Hurricane
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IEM Champion Sting is playing in these? :O
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 Prince 2-0  Cure
RIP 1 person's dreams
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INnoVation 2-0 PtitDrogo
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On June 25 2017 16:12 Elentos wrote: Prince 2-0 Cure RIP 1 person's dreams
Self sacrifice so Elazer can advance.
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sOs 2-0 Billowy
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Inno 2-0 Drogo, to nobody's surprise.
Also Kelazhur and Noregret are arguing in chat whether Terran or Zerg is weaker.
Kelazhur just quoted Neeb+Drogo+Showtime saying that Zerg is unbeatable. Noregret calls them liars. Scarlett says that Neeb always wins against Zerg anyways and that Protoss wins by default in a standard game.
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On June 25 2017 16:14 pvsnp wrote:
Inno 2-0 Drogo, to nobody's surprise.
Also Kelazhur and Noregret are arguing in chat whether Terran or Zerg is weaker.
Kelazhur just quoted Neeb+Drogo+Showtime saying that Zerg is unbeatable. Noregret calls them liars.
And Noregret's source is of course the fact that he can't beat Neeb, Drogo or Showtime?
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On June 25 2017 16:12 Elentos wrote: Prince 2-0 Cure RIP 1 person's dreams
LOL
On June 25 2017 16:14 pvsnp wrote:
Inno 2-0 Drogo, to nobody's surprise.
Also Kelazhur and Noregret are arguing in chat whether Terran or Zerg is weaker.
Kelazhur just quoted Neeb+Drogo+Showtime saying that Zerg is unbeatable. Noregret calls them liars.
Everyone knows terran is the OP race
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Of course, Protoss and Terran will call Z OP because there is no Z winner for this year so far!
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On June 25 2017 16:14 pvsnp wrote:
Inno 2-0 Drogo, to nobody's surprise.
Also Kelazhur and Noregret are arguing in chat whether Terran or Zerg is weaker.
Kelazhur just quoted Neeb+Drogo+Showtime saying that Zerg is unbeatable. Noregret calls them liars. Scarlett says that Neeb always wins against Zerg anyways and that Protoss wins by default in a standard game.
That was Scarlett on NoRegret's account btw, Jake is playing and you could see Scarlett leaning over to type
Kelazhur is also now saying in that chat that reapers aren't good units, so don't listen to him
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On June 25 2017 16:18 Durnuu wrote:LOL
The death of dreams is serious business.
E: Hurricane 2-1 Neeb wow
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Kelazhur declares that reapers suck.
This is so hilarious.
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Neeb avoiding the rematch curse, he's already settled into the Korean meta
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On June 25 2017 16:22 pvsnp wrote:
Kelazhur declares that reapers suck.
This is so hilarious.
Well if you compare between this year and last year, Kelazhur can no longer instantly win every TvZ in WCS by spamming reapers. Meaning of course, that Zerg is OP and reapers are garbage.
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Now Kelazhur proclaims Hurricane > Zest and is hyping Hurricane after he beat Neeb.
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Hush 2-0 Dark
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Hush 2-0 Dark
What the actual fuck is that?
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Sting 2-0 herO wtf
And Dark too, top-tiers dropping like flies.
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I can only imagine Dark is thinking to himself 'Can't lose in the Ro16 if you don't make Code S'
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On June 25 2017 16:26 Elentos wrote:
I can only imagine Dark is thinking to himself 'Can't lose in the Ro16 if you don't make Code S'
"Protoss can't beat Zerg"
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On June 25 2017 16:26 pvsnp wrote:
Sting 2-0 herO wtf
Stop listening to Kelazhur he's trolling
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On June 25 2017 16:27 Kashim wrote:
ckdrhs 2-1 NightMare xDD
That's Gamja
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Well, what an easy afternoon session
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so is dark eliminated now??
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On June 25 2017 16:28 Elentos wrote:
That's Gamja
so that's why :D
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On June 25 2017 15:41 Elentos wrote:
Man most of these afternoon brackets are laughably easy.
So easy afternoon bracket? :D
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On June 25 2017 16:29 Meepman wrote:
so is dark eliminated now??
Nah, plays Trust for qualification.
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On June 25 2017 16:30 AlexGPunkt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 15:41 Elentos wrote:
Man most of these afternoon brackets are laughably easy. So easy afternoon bracket? :D
Most of them are still easy.
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On June 25 2017 16:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Stop listening to Kelazhur he's trolling
Can't escape the fake news even in Starcraft, feelsbadman
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On June 25 2017 16:32 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 16:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On June 25 2017 16:26 pvsnp wrote:
Sting 2-0 herO wtf Stop listening to Kelazhur he's trolling Can't escape the fake news even in Starcraft, feelsbadman
Now imagine if this trolling became of prophetic accuracy.
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Well he'd have to have. I guess the cheese worked.
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It is gonna be a new low for GSL and for SC2 in general if NoRegret makes it to Ro32 of GSL.
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If Inno has never heard of Noregret before, could he actually lose to cheese?
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On June 25 2017 16:26 Elentos wrote:
Hush 2-0 Dark
What the actual fuck is that?
All right I'll stop mocking Cure
What the fuck Dark
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On June 25 2017 16:34 AshC wrote:
It is gonna be a new low for GSL and for SC2 in general if NoRegret makes it to Ro32 of GSL.
I mean let's be fair, his cheeses have a decent chance of working so he'll probably not do worse than MyuNgSiK in season 1.
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So, if they fail in the IEM qualifier, the year is over in june for players like Byul, Cure, etc ?
I expect a lot of retirement
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On June 25 2017 16:34 AshC wrote:
It is gonna be a new low for GSL and for SC2 in general if NoRegret makes it to Ro32 of GSL.
A player once got into the GSL with byes until he faced a coach for the qualifier spot.
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On June 25 2017 16:36 DieuCure wrote:
So, if they fail in the IEM qualifier, the year is over in june for players like Byul, Cure, etc ?
I expect a lot of retirement
Super Tournament in September. But it's a miracle Cure isn't officially retired yet.
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On June 25 2017 16:36 DieuCure wrote:
So, if they fail in the IEM qualifier, the year is over in june for players like Byul, Cure, etc ?
I expect a lot of retirement
Still GSL Super Tournament in September.
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On June 25 2017 16:36 DieuCure wrote:
So, if they fail in the IEM qualifier, the year is over in june for players like Byul, Cure, etc ?
I expect a lot of retirement
ByuL is in still SSL Premier so he is fine but his change for BlizzCon is slim now.
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Elazer now 1 win away from Code S
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On June 25 2017 16:40 Elentos wrote:
Elazer now 1 win away from Code S
he'll make it for sure
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BTW, what happen to our two little Terran kids?
Too afraid to face Zest so they decide to have GOAT TvT match?
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On June 25 2017 16:40 Musicus wrote:he'll make it for sure
Sting will 2-0 him
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On June 25 2017 16:37 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 16:36 DieuCure wrote:
So, if they fail in the IEM qualifier, the year is over in june for players like Byul, Cure, etc ?
I expect a lot of retirement Super Tournament in September. But it's a miracle Cure isn't officially retired yet.
You have to win to make a living for 6 month with super tournament. ...
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On June 25 2017 16:44 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 16:37 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 16:36 DieuCure wrote:
So, if they fail in the IEM qualifier, the year is over in june for players like Byul, Cure, etc ?
I expect a lot of retirement Super Tournament in September. But it's a miracle Cure isn't officially retired yet. You have to win to make a living for 6 month with super tournament. ...
There's always Overwatch
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On June 25 2017 16:41 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 16:40 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 16:40 Elentos wrote:
Elazer now 1 win away from Code S he'll make it for sure Sting will 2-0 him
And suddenly it will be 2012 again
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On June 25 2017 16:44 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 16:37 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 16:36 DieuCure wrote:
So, if they fail in the IEM qualifier, the year is over in june for players like Byul, Cure, etc ?
I expect a lot of retirement Super Tournament in September. But it's a miracle Cure isn't officially retired yet. You have to win to make a living for 6 month with super tournament. ...
Cure has a team, I imagine he should have income monthly or at least food and housing monthly.
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Now my power is out. Just great :/
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On June 25 2017 16:45 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 16:41 Durnuu wrote:On June 25 2017 16:40 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 16:40 Elentos wrote:
Elazer now 1 win away from Code S he'll make it for sure Sting will 2-0 him And suddenly it will be 2012 again
GuMiho won Code S, what makes you think it isn't already?
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On June 25 2017 16:46 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 16:44 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 16:37 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 16:36 DieuCure wrote:
So, if they fail in the IEM qualifier, the year is over in june for players like Byul, Cure, etc ?
I expect a lot of retirement Super Tournament in September. But it's a miracle Cure isn't officially retired yet. You have to win to make a living for 6 month with super tournament. ... Cure has a team, I imagine he should have income monthly or at least food and housing monthly.
I'm not speaking only about Cure.
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On June 25 2017 16:47 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 16:45 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 16:41 Durnuu wrote:On June 25 2017 16:40 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 16:40 Elentos wrote:
Elazer now 1 win away from Code S he'll make it for sure Sting will 2-0 him And suddenly it will be 2012 again GuMiho won Code S, what makes you think it isn't already?
Because that was the most Heart of the Swarm cliché GSL you'll ever see. With Maru losing in the semis to the person who ends up winning the tournament against soO and even a lot of mech.
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Solar 2-0 Cloudy
Neeb vs Cloudy in loser's.
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Scarlett vs Zest
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imagine a GSL without INno Dark or Zest and instead has NoRegreT, Trust and Scarlett
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On June 25 2017 16:53 Inflicted wrote:
imagine a GSL without INno Dark or Zest and instead has NoRegreT, Trust and Scarlett
I mean
Dark losing to Hush is inexplicable.
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On June 25 2017 16:53 Inflicted wrote:
imagine a GSL without INno Dark or Zest and instead has NoRegreT, Trust and Scarlett
Hell there's a world where Solar doesn't make it and Neeb/Cloudy do too
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On June 25 2017 16:53 Inflicted wrote:
imagine a GSL without INno Dark or Zest and instead has NoRegreT, Trust and Scarlett
I will probably stop watching GSL. It becomes a joke.
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Posting in a TL thread about watching a stream that's watching the TL thread
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Watching a stream on TL that shows Scarlett reading these comments
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On June 25 2017 16:54 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 16:53 Inflicted wrote:
imagine a GSL without INno Dark or Zest and instead has NoRegreT, Trust and Scarlett I mean Dark losing to Hush is inexplicable.
somebody in twitch chat said he had a hangover? idk
are the highest skill era memes out of style still or would this warrant sneaking one in
Edit: dark qualified so i guess we dont have to go there
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On June 25 2017 16:57 Inflicted wrote: Dark > Trust & qualifies
One day I'll go to Korea and get a hold of the guy who handles these qualifiers and force him to release all the missing results for Liquipedia.
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On June 25 2017 16:53 Inflicted wrote:
imagine a GSL without INno Dark or Zest and instead has NoRegreT, Trust and Scarlett
Inno lost ?
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On JuNe 25 2017 16:56 Meepman wrote:somebody in twitch chat said he had a hangover? idk are the highest skill ErA memes out of style still or would this warrant sneaking one in
LOL that was me who said Dark had a hangover, also pretty sure I put a kappaemoji after that.
The things I do to get around TL warnings
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On June 25 2017 16:55 AshC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 16:53 Inflicted wrote:
imagine a GSL without INno Dark or Zest and instead has NoRegreT, Trust and Scarlett I will probably stop watching GSL. It becomes a joke.
Now, now, let's be fair here, we can't be sure if Zest in GSL isn't the bigger joke.
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On June 25 2017 16:58 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On JuNe 25 2017 16:56 Meepman wrote:somebody in twitch chat said he had a hangover? idk are the highest skill ErA memes out of style still or would this warrant sneaking one in LOL that was me who said Dark had a hangover, also pretty sure I put a kappaemoji after that. The things I do to get around TL warnings
hahaha ok i was speed reading nice meme
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Go Time! Would be sick to have a chinese player qualify!
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On June 25 2017 16:59 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 16:55 AshC wrote:On June 25 2017 16:53 Inflicted wrote:
imagine a GSL without INno Dark or Zest and instead has NoRegreT, Trust and Scarlett I will probably stop watching GSL. It becomes a joke. Now, now, let's be fair here, we can't be sure if Zest in GSL isn't the bigger joke.
Yeah, everyone knows TANGTANG should make it instead
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On June 25 2017 17:00 Musicus wrote:
Go Time! Would be sick to have a chinese player qualify!
Macsed hasn't been eliminated yet either. That I know of
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Impact knocks out Drogo 2-0, no GSL for him.
Inno 2-0 Noregret and qualifies.
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And I'm pretty sure another GOAT TvP match is happening between Ryung and TAiLS.
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Poor Drogod, always with the legit brackets.
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On June 25 2017 17:03 Alarak89 wrote:
And I'm pretty sure another GOAT TvP match is happening between Ryung and TAiLS.
I imagine it's 40 minutes of Ryung defending 1-base cheese
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TIME 2-0 Myungsik
Now it's getting interesting
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So
This Chinese kid is now in Code S and Scarlett or Zest will be eliminated in a few minutes
FeelsChinaMan
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Yeees, Time holy shit congrats! :D
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On June 25 2017 17:05 Inflicted wrote: TIME 2-0 MyuNgSiK what a god
BOW TO YOUR NEW FOREIGN GOD!
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Solar 2-0 Hurricane
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Remember when MyuNgSiK was disgusting but good against Terran? Overwatch took it from him
Solar 2-0 Hurricane
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Glad to see China has new blood this good
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Scarlett 1-0 Zest in a long macro game.
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On June 25 2017 17:04 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:03 Alarak89 wrote:
And I'm pretty sure another GOAT TvP match is happening between Ryung and TAiLS. I imagine it's 40 minutes of Ryung defending 1-base cheese
So sad there is no stream for this match, I never know a non-mirror match (especially TvP) can last such a long time.
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I didn't expect to be so upset after losing this qualifier, Impact played like a proper mongoloid I should have won a thousand time fml
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On June 25 2017 17:08 Elentos wrote:
Remember when MyuNgSiK was disgusting but good against Terran? Overwatch took it from him
Solar 2-0 Hurricane
Remember when Zest was on a winning streak vs Terran
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On June 25 2017 17:08 MyiPtitDrogo wrote:
I didn't expect to be so upset after losing this qualifier, Impact played like a proper mongoloid I should have won a thousand time fml
Having INnoVation in your group is a pretty good excuse though...
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On June 25 2017 17:09 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:08 Elentos wrote:
Remember when MyuNgSiK was disgusting but good against Terran? Overwatch took it from him
Solar 2-0 Hurricane Remember when Zest was on a winning streak vs Terran
Remember when Zest was decent?
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GG TIME, happy for the chinese scene after the scandal
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So two foreingers made it so far, both Terran.
I thought foreign Terrans suck, what is this.
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On June 25 2017 17:10 Musicus wrote:
So two foreingers made it so far, both Terran.
I thought foreign Terrans suck, what is this.
This can only mean 1 thing
Rigged brackets
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On June 25 2017 17:10 Musicus wrote:
So two foreingers made it so far, both Terran.
I thought foreign Terrans suck, what is this.
How far will they make it when they can't practice TvT though
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Ryung 2-1 Tails in what must have been the most epic TvP never shown
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On June 25 2017 17:08 MyiPtitDrogo wrote:
I didn't expect to be so upset after losing this qualifier, Impact played like a proper mongoloid I should have won a thousand time fml
Sorry to hear it.
= (
Go easy on yourself. Would have been great to see you in this season of GSL. Maybe next time.
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Zest literally worse than Myungsik
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Scarlett 2-0 Zest, she plays Myungsik again to qualify.
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If Zest beat TIME he'd have won the group, now he's out in 4th
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We could get a group where both players that make it are foreigners. Both. In 2017
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TIME confuses me. Each time I think he's good he falls flat on his face (like losing to Minato at WCS Jonkoping), and each time I think he's bad he unexpectedly wins.
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On June 25 2017 17:08 MyiPtitDrogo wrote:
I didn't expect to be so upset after losing this qualifier, Impact played like a proper mongoloid I should have won a thousand time fml
Tough luck man, really thought you would win this one after destroying Godchio.
Well there is still a lot to play in very soon, so just keep going!
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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looool Jake did it
noregret in Code S!!!!!
he won ahahah
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just wow, congrats Jake
man this is crazy, wtf
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Foreigners taking up all the Code S spots, causing a lot of koreans to retire.
Meanwhile koreans aren't allowed to play in foreign tournaments. So fair...
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Zest y u so bad?
NoRegret is in Code S and Zest and Creator aren't, This is fucked up lol
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Well, GSL ro32 is the biggest joke ever, they should try a round robin code A or something like that because some groups are too ez
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On June 25 2017 17:15 Olli wrote:
Jesus Zest, start practicing seriously already
Do you actually think over 500 games on ladder this season & 2 accounts in the top 20 of KR GM is still not practicing seriously? I would think at that point it's not the practice that's letting him down.
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Is Gumiho crazy enough to first pick NoRegreT
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Been a big NoRegreT fan for a long time, very happy to see him make it.
Very inspiring, too.
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Noregret too? Jesus the level of the Ro32 is gonna be the lowest since early WoL.
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fucking hell, well done JAKE!!!!
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On June 25 2017 17:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TIME confuses me. Each time I think he's good he falls flat on his face (like losing to Minato at WCS Jonkoping), and each time I think he's bad he unexpectedly wins.
This really is just what China has been doing in literally every video game for last 17 years.
Any notable Koreans knocked out so far? (excluding the reigning VSL champ)
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On June 25 2017 17:20 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TIME confuses me. Each time I think he's good he falls flat on his face (like losing to Minato at WCS Jonkoping), and each time I think he's bad he unexpectedly wins. This really is just what China has been doing in literally every video game for last 17 years. Any notable Koreans knocked out so far? (excluding the reigning VSL champ)
ByuL lost to Dear & Forte
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On June 25 2017 17:19 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:15 Olli wrote:
Jesus Zest, start practicing seriously already Do you actually think over 500 games on ladder this season & 2 accounts in the top 20 of KR GM is still not practicing seriously? I would think at that point it's not the practice that's letting him down.
I do. A ton of it was streamed which honestly doesn't compare to serious practice. Zest needs a bootcamp or something, someone to teach him how to StarCraft again
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On June 25 2017 17:19 DieuCure wrote:
Well, GSL ro32 is the biggest joke ever, they should try a round robin code A or something like that because some groups are too ez
Then why did Cure lose if it's so easy?
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On June 25 2017 17:20 Elentos wrote:
Noregret too? Jesus the level of the Ro32 is gonna be the lowest since early WoL.
well at least it will be higher than if Zest or Impact had qualified
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I want Elazer vs Sting because no matter who wins that's fucking awesome
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On June 25 2017 17:20 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TIME confuses me. Each time I think he's good he falls flat on his face (like losing to Minato at WCS Jonkoping), and each time I think he's bad he unexpectedly wins. This really is just what China has been doing in literally every video game for last 17 years. Any notable Koreans knocked out so far? (excluding the reigning VSL champ)
Byul, Cure, Zest, Creator
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On June 25 2017 17:21 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:20 Elentos wrote:
Noregret too? Jesus the level of the Ro32 is gonna be the lowest since early WoL. well at least it will be higher than if Zest or Impact had qualified
Impact is better than any of the foreigners who qualified and he knows he should feel bad.
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On June 25 2017 17:21 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:19 DieuCure wrote:
Well, GSL ro32 is the biggest joke ever, they should try a round robin code A or something like that because some groups are too ez Then why did Cure lose if it's so easy?
His group was harder than neeb's group
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Jake > Byul, Cure, Zest, Creator confirmed lol
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Zest...Well you never know which Terran is better and which Protoss is worse in LotV.
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I hope muh boy Hurricane qualifies ;;
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On June 25 2017 17:22 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:21 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:20 Elentos wrote:
Noregret too? Jesus the level of the Ro32 is gonna be the lowest since early WoL. well at least it will be higher than if Zest or Impact had qualified Impact is better than any of the foreigners who qualified and he knows he should feel bad.
ZvZ is a fickle mistress.
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On June 25 2017 17:20 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TIME confuses me. Each time I think he's good he falls flat on his face (like losing to Minato at WCS Jonkoping), and each time I think he's bad he unexpectedly wins. This really is just what China has been doing in literally every video game for last 17 years. Any notable Koreans knocked out so far? (excluding the reigning VSL champ)
Zest, Creator, ByuL, Seed, Cure
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On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked.
Maybe if there's enough participants, we will get proper Code A again. Even a budget version.
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Let's go Prince/Sting and MyuNgSiK.
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Elazer should have it, he's playing Prince again
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GSL qualifier should have been BO5 like Code A, not bo3 like code A qualifier ...
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Australia18228 Posts
Kinda wished this wasn't streamed so we'd have spent the next hour wondering if NoRegreT advancing was a bracket mistake
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gogo Elazer!!! 
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This many foreigners in Code S really says everything about the Korean scene and nothing about WCS
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On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked.
It should be region-locked already.
It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not.
sc2 is already not very healthy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks.
If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzards poor decision-making.
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Austria24422 Posts
On June 25 2017 17:28 Inflicted wrote: TAiLS 2-0 Billowy
If Tails qualifies for Code S too, can we officially call this the lowest skill era?
On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked by GSL and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making.
We don't often agree on things, but you're right here. It absolutely sucks for Korean players. That said, GSL probably aren't too miffed about foreigners competing in their tournament. Gives them nice viewership.
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Australia18228 Posts
Also, Dark was UWC holder before today so Hush has it now...
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On June 25 2017 17:29 Olli wrote:If Tails qualifies for Code S too, can we officially call this the lowest skill era?
It ain't lower than 2010, but prob besides that
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On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making.
The G in GSL has always stood for Global
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On June 25 2017 17:21 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:20 Ej_ wrote:On June 25 2017 17:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
TIME confuses me. Each time I think he's good he falls flat on his face (like losing to Minato at WCS Jonkoping), and each time I think he's bad he unexpectedly wins. This really is just what China has been doing in literally every video game for last 17 years. Any notable Koreans knocked out so far? (excluding the reigning VSL champ) Byul, Cure, Zest, Creator
I love like you sneakily wait around for every chance
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On June 25 2017 17:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:29 Olli wrote:On June 25 2017 17:28 Inflicted wrote: TAiLS 2-0 Billowy If Tails qualifies for Code S too, can we officially call this the lowest skill era? It ain't lower than 2010, but prob besides that
I want my BitByBit back
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On June 25 2017 17:30 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. The G in GSL has always stood for Global
And the W in WCS for World :/
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On June 25 2017 17:30 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:30 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. The G in GSL has always stood for Global And the W in WCS for World :/
Koreans keep their word
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Looks like Scarlett 2-0ing the overwatcher
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In 2016 ro32 losers was like MC, Stats, soO, now it's NoRegret please
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Russian Federation54 Posts
On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzards poor decision-making.
Hmm... may be koreans are to blame that lower-tier players can get though qualis?
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On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making.
I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to choose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit.
But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype.
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Jake seems like a nice guy but seriously the fact he qualifies for GSL over ByuL, Creator, Zest, Cure and others is just a depressing sign for Korean SC2 scene. He couldn't even qualify for Gameland (he got invited) and somehow he made it to GSL.
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On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making.
I don't think this year's system is bad for Korea. WCS gets four tournaments whereas Korea gets nine.
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Well Scarlett did it too!
Two foreigners advance from one group, holy shit, congrats!
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On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype.
+1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd
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Scarlett 2-0 Myungsik and qualifies
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On June 25 2017 17:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I don't think this year's system is bad for Korea. WCS gets four tournaments whereas Korea gets nine.
It's not bad for the top 15 koreans. Think about the lower tier ones like Impact, Forte, Hush etc
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On June 25 2017 17:31 AshC wrote:
Jake seems like a nice guy but seriously the fact he qualifies for GSL over ByuL, Creator, Zest, Cure and others is just a depressing sign for Korean SC2 scene. He couldn't even qualify for Gameland(he got invited) and somehow he made it to GSL.
Yeah. I was thinking the same. Fair go, he made it through the bracket he had in front of him, but I'm not sure if this is a sign the foreign scene is growing any more than the Korean scene is dead.
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They are so happy to destroy what remains, i hate them
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I like how people love to discredit the achievements of Mvp, NesTea, Jinro and others by saying "Oh, well, the game was easier back then."
These are the same people saying the game is like, SUPER EASY now.
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On June 25 2017 17:34 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:31 AshC wrote:
Jake seems like a nice guy but seriously the fact he qualifies for GSL over ByuL, Creator, Zest, Cure and others is just a depressing sign for Korean SC2 scene. He couldn't even qualify for Gameland(he got invited) and somehow he made it to GSL. Yeah. I was thinking the same. Fair go, he made it through the bracket he had in front of him, but I'm not sure if this is a sign the foreign scene is growing any more than the Korean scene is dead.
Just a sign that ro32 isnt relevant, ro32 is code B and ro16 code S, so, they will get 2-0ed until the ro16
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On June 25 2017 17:31 Couguar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzards poor decision-making. Hmm... may be koreans are to blame that lower-tier players can get though qualis?
The problem he's getting at it's that low-tier Koreans can't. Look at how many amateur players signed up: Prince, HHs, Nightmare etc.. If you can't support the grassroots scene, your pro scene will die off. It wasn't a problem when proteams and proleague were a thing, but now it is.
Having said that, I can understand GSL being free to participate for everyone as it is a league (opposite to a weekender) and you have to stay in Korea (well, you could make trips back-and-forth, but I don' think any of qualified foreigners actually will do it) to participate.
Korea also does have their own online tournaments and amateur leagues so maybe it will regenerate in the similar way the BW scene did.
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On June 25 2017 17:31 Couguar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzards poor decision-making. Hmm... may be koreans are to blame that lower-tier players can get though qualis?
By that logic (wanting to see the best players) koreans should be able to play in WCS.
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On June 25 2017 17:34 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:31 AshC wrote:
Jake seems like a nice guy but seriously the fact he qualifies for GSL over ByuL, Creator, Zest, Cure and others is just a depressing sign for Korean SC2 scene. He couldn't even qualify for Gameland(he got invited) and somehow he made it to GSL. Yeah. I was thinking the same. Fair go, he made it through the bracket he had in front of him, but I'm not sure if this is a sign the foreign scene is growing any more than the Korean scene is dead.
I mean, it's not like there are significantly more than 32 Korean players who seem like they'd belong in Code S in these brackets.
So it's probably a lot about the Korean scene being dead.
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Open WCS Circuit to some extent to Koreans (not just the ones who have teams which support them getting Visa).
Motivated and good players will participate in GSL & WCS Circuit events like foreigners are currently doing.
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On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd
I don't like foreigners to complete at Korean events either but I think the issue here is the stupid qualifier format.
I think they should qualify 1 person per group (AKA 14 players qualify in first round) and then the rest get reseeded and divided into groups again and in the end another 14 qualify.
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Prince vs. Sting would be a fun match to commentate
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On June 25 2017 17:34 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I don't think this year's system is bad for Korea. WCS gets four tournaments whereas Korea gets nine. It's not bad for the top 15 koreans. Think about the lower tier ones like Impact, Forte, Hush etc
Tbh Korean Starcraft has always been hugely top heavy, and the fact that there are foreigners in Korean qualifiers makes it harder for the lower tier guys, but only a little.
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On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd
Yep, I mean it's fine if they want to play GSL if they commit ot living in Korea, just as it's fine if TRUE plays in the WCS Circuit, living in NA.
But they should not be allowed to play in the WCS Circuit if they choose to live in Korea and play GSL.
I am in no way blaming the players of course, they are just using the system as Koreans did when nothing was region locked, I am just criticising the rules.
Region lock must go both ways!
Edit: I think I remember Scarlett herself saying that it's unfair.
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On June 25 2017 17:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I like how people love to discredit the achievements of Mvp, NesTea, Jinro and others by saying "Oh, well, the game was easier back then."
These are the same people saying the game is like, SUPER EASY now.
Rofl, you cant compare ro32.
Everything is about disparity, Mvp, Nestea are nowhere closet o INnoVation lvl now, but ro32 is nowhere close to 2012 ro32 too
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You guys do realize only Zest, Myungsik and Impact were beaten by the foreigners for the spots while Cure lost to Prince, Creator to KeeN and Byul to freaking Forte!!!!!! I'm not sure why you're complaining about those three as well as Zest cause he's in bad form anyway.
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Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted.
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On June 25 2017 17:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:34 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 AshC wrote:
Jake seems like a nice guy but seriously the fact he qualifies for GSL over ByuL, Creator, Zest, Cure and others is just a depressing sign for Korean SC2 scene. He couldn't even qualify for Gameland(he got invited) and somehow he made it to GSL. Yeah. I was thinking the same. Fair go, he made it through the bracket he had in front of him, but I'm not sure if this is a sign the foreign scene is growing any more than the Korean scene is dead. I mean, it's not like there are significantly more than 32 Korean players who seem like they'd belong in Code S in these brackets. So it's probably a lot about the Korean scene being dead.
Yeah it's dead because foreigners are taking the spots that belong to the korean newcomers.
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On June 25 2017 17:35 LaughNgamez wrote:
Open WCS Circuit to some extent to Koreans (not just the ones who have teams which support them getting Visa).
Motivated and good players will participate in GSL & WCS Circuit events like foreigners are currently doing.
You can't just say "well if you have an internet connection you can play in WCS" and "if you LIVE IN KOREA you can play in the GSL". That's the problem. If WCS were actually a league and not an assorted series of weekenders you could "open it up" in that way.
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Why do Afreeca rush the GSL qualifier ? Round Robin like chinese tournament and everything should be ok ...
NoRegret in GSL ...
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Austria24422 Posts
On June 25 2017 17:38 pvsnp wrote:
Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted.
And no new talent is flowing in because there's nowhere to do so and literally no chance of any team picking up an unknown Korean talent and paying them sufficient salary these days.
It's funny how people hated stuchiu for his "highest skill era" article, but you're seeing exactly what he talked about in live action right now.
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Jake is now streaming Neeb's POV vs Hurricane.
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Can't wait to see NoRegret get bopped in the ro32.
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On June 25 2017 17:40 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:38 pvsnp wrote:
Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted. And no new talent is flowing in because there's nowhere to do so and literally no chance of any team picking up an unknown Korean talent and paying them sufficient salary these days. It's funny how people hated stuchiu for his "highest skill era" article, but you're seeing exactly what he talked about in live action right now.
I believe the point of that article was that the top used to be better than it is now which is absolutely not what the poster you're qouting is saying. Nobody argues against low-tier players being worse.
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On June 25 2017 17:40 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:38 pvsnp wrote:
Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted. And no new talent is flowing in because there's nowhere to do so and literally no chance of any team picking up an unknown Korean talent and paying them sufficient salary these days. It's funny how people hated stuchiu for his "highest skill era" article, but you're seeing exactly what he talked about in live action right now.
I really think ro8 is better than ever, but ro32 is such a disaster
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Myungsik tweeted something that is auto translated to:
Skills to get out of the army, Bonnie
I agree, Myungsik.
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There's gonna be 5 or 6 foreigners in Code S
Too many
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I hope neeb will lose to save koreans honor
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On June 25 2017 17:40 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:38 pvsnp wrote:
Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted. And no new talent is flowing in because there's nowhere to do so and literally no chance of any team picking up an unknown Korean talent and paying them sufficient salary these days. It's funny how people hated stuchiu for his "highest skill era" article, but you're seeing exactly what he talked about in live action right now.
There are two arguments here though
Do we have the highest amount of top skilled players in sc2 right now? No, obviously not, the player pool has deminished a lot. Overall there are a lot less top players now.
Is the best sc2 player now, better than the best sc2 player 3 years ago? Yes, I would say so.
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On June 25 2017 17:40 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:38 pvsnp wrote:
Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted. And no new talent is flowing in because there's nowhere to do so and literally no chance of any team picking up an unknown Korean talent and paying them sufficient salary these days. It's funny how people hated stuchiu for his "highest skill era" article, but you're seeing exactly what he talked about in live action right now.
I thought people hated that article for being pure click-bait and having flawed arguments that conflated skill and talent, and various other things. Those are perfectly reasonable criticism regardless of the validity of the claim.
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Also I don't understand people complaining about foreigners taking spots from amateurs when HHs and Nightmare were knocked out by known names, and prince still might qualify
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On June 25 2017 17:40 Ej_ wrote:
Jake is now streaming Neeb's POV vs Hurricane.
Who the hell is Jake?
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On June 25 2017 17:44 Avicularia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:40 Ej_ wrote:
Jake is now streaming Neeb's POV vs Hurricane. Who the hell is Jake?
The absolute madman, VSL champion slayer, Code S participant, NoRegreT himself
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On June 25 2017 17:42 Olli wrote:Myungsik tweeted something that is auto translated to: I agree, Myungsik.
Probably means something like 'I should go to the army'
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Man I think Neeb will also do it, 5 foreigners in Code S?
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On June 25 2017 17:44 Avicularia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:40 Ej_ wrote:
Jake is now streaming Neeb's POV vs Hurricane. Who the hell is Jake?
Code S player NoRegreT
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On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd
If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off.
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On June 25 2017 17:44 Musicus wrote:
Man I think Neeb will also do it, 5 foreigners in Code S?
Elazer is playing Prince. Unless Neeb loses it's gonna be 6.
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On June 25 2017 17:44 Musicus wrote:
Man I think Neeb will also do it, 5 foreigners in Code S?
6 if Elazer beats Prince again.
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So now we will always have the same ro16, and some random players in ro32
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On June 25 2017 17:44 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:44 Avicularia wrote:On June 25 2017 17:40 Ej_ wrote:
Jake is now streaming Neeb's POV vs Hurricane. Who the hell is Jake? The absolute madman, VSL champion slayer, Code S participant, NoRegreT himself
Ah OK. I was looking for in game stream there;p
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On June 25 2017 17:45 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:44 Musicus wrote:
Man I think Neeb will also do it, 5 foreigners in Code S? 6 if Elazer beats Prince again.
oh shit I forgot about Elazer!
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On June 25 2017 17:45 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:44 Musicus wrote:
Man I think Neeb will also do it, 5 foreigners in Code S? Elazer is playing Prince. Unless Neeb loses it's gonna be 6.
I think Musicus already assumed the archon drop progenitor, the OG dark templar PvZ player, the son of Bisu, the beacon of Rotterdam, Hurricane winning the PvP.
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On June 25 2017 17:47 Inflicted wrote: Ryung 2-1 sOs
Wat
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1-1
Now if any foreigner should be in Code S it is Neeb, come on, one more!
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Hurricane 1-1 Neeb
match point on Odyssey
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If Neeb loses i wouldnt know what to think
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If sOs loses to Tails....
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The bracket says Tails 2-0 Billowy but their site says sOs vs Billowy as qualifying match
Hmm
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On June 25 2017 17:46 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:45 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 17:44 Musicus wrote:
Man I think Neeb will also do it, 5 foreigners in Code S? Elazer is playing Prince. Unless Neeb loses it's gonna be 6. I think Musicus already assumed the archon drop progenitor, the OG dark templar PvZ player, the son of Bisu, the beacon of Rotterdam, Hurricane winning the PvP.
just completely forgot Elazer, even though I said earlier he will make it for sure
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On June 25 2017 17:48 showstealer1829 wrote:
If sOs loses to Tails....
TAiLS is a full-time hairdresser iirc, I doubt that would happen
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On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off.
It is not just about foreigners took out Koreans in GSL but the fact NoRegret out of all people qualify for GSL. I certainly don't mind seeing Drogo, Elazer, Major and others to be in GSL. At least, they will show some good games. Not proxy hatches, lings plush and stupid cheeses every single game.
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On June 25 2017 17:48 Elentos wrote:Wat
I mean, it's sOs
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On June 25 2017 17:50 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:48 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 17:47 Inflicted wrote: Ryung 2-1 sOs Wat I mean, it's sOs
Ryung against Protoss tho
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But why is it BO3 seriously
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On June 25 2017 17:49 Ej_ wrote:TAiLS is a full-time hairdresser iirc, I doubt that would happen
Maybe he's channeling the power of GGandol and SuHoSin.
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On June 25 2017 17:49 AshC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. It is not just about foreigners took out Koreans in GSL but the fact NoRegret out of all people qualify for GSL. I certainly don't mind seeing Drogo, Elazer, Major and others to be in GSL. At least, they will show some good games. Not proxy hatches, lings plush and stupid cheeses every single game.
well we have and had tons of korean cheesers in Code S every season tbh
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On June 25 2017 17:50 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:50 Durnuu wrote:On June 25 2017 17:48 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 17:47 Inflicted wrote: Ryung 2-1 sOs Wat I mean, it's sOs Ryung against Protoss tho
But sOs
He hasn't shown a good game since HotS
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On June 25 2017 17:50 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:50 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 17:50 Durnuu wrote:On June 25 2017 17:48 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 17:47 Inflicted wrote: Ryung 2-1 sOs Wat I mean, it's sOs Ryung against Protoss tho But sOs He hasn't shown a good game since HotS
And two ro4 in a row ...
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On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off.
I don't understand this logic.
When koreans lose to foreigners it's "they could have played better, their fault" but when foreigners lose to koreans it's "koreans preventing the local scene to grow, ban them!"
If you're arguing that the best players should qualify, then that should also apply to WCS.
Right now foreigners are preventing the growth of the korean scene.
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On June 25 2017 17:50 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:49 AshC wrote:On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. It is not just about foreigners took out Koreans in GSL but the fact NoRegret out of all people qualify for GSL. I certainly don't mind seeing Drogo, Elazer, Major and others to be in GSL. At least, they will show some good games. Not proxy hatches, lings plush and stupid cheeses every single game. well we have and had tons of korean cheesers in Code S every season tbh
At least some are entertaining. Noregret is gonna be the worst thing since Myungsik's last Code S performance.
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On June 25 2017 17:51 Inflicted wrote: Elazer > Prince & qualifies
yes, I knew it! :D
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On June 25 2017 17:49 AshC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. It is not just about foreigners took out Koreans in GSL but the fact NoRegret out of all people qualify for GSL. I certainly don't mind seeing Drogo, Elazer, Major and others to be in GSL. At least, they will show some good games. Not proxy hatches, lings plush and stupid cheeses every single game.
That's a dumb way to think. So what if he only cheesed? Cheese is a legit strat. If the opponent can't defend it, then that's on his opponent.
Flash used to be known as a heavy cheeser before he got famous.
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On June 25 2017 17:51 Inflicted wrote: Elazer > Prince & qualifies
That's 5
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On June 25 2017 17:51 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. I don't understand this logic. When koreans lose to foreigners it's "they could have played better, their fault" but when foreigners lose to koreans it's "koreans preventing the local scene to grow, ban them!" If your arguing that the best players should qualify, then that should also apply to WCS.
you are right
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On June 25 2017 17:51 Musicus wrote:yes, I knew it! :D
Wow what a bold call
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I don't mind having MajOr in Code S. Or Neeb. Or Scarlett. Or Elazer. Or TIME. But all of them at once just tells you all you need to know about the Korean scene.
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It's completely unfair when foreigners are free to come and steal GSL spots from Korean youngblood while Koreans are banned in WCS events. If i was Korean and not being in top 30 players, what the hell would i still be playing for ?
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Wooow, this is awesome, so many foreigners in code S!!!!
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On June 25 2017 17:51 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. I don't understand this logic. When koreans lose to foreigners it's "they could have played better, their fault" but when foreigners lose to koreans it's "koreans preventing the local scene to grow, ban them!" If your arguing that the best players should qualify, then that should also apply to WCS.
GSL is the highest level of Starcraft and should be open to everyone, whereas other tournaments such as WCS can focus on goals like fostering local scenes etc. While Korea needs tournaments to foster the lower strata of their competitive scene, GSL isn't it.
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On June 25 2017 17:52 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:51 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:51 Inflicted wrote: Elazer > Prince & qualifies yes, I knew it! :D Wow what a bold call
went all out on this one!
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On June 25 2017 17:54 ParksonVN wrote:
It's completely unfair when foreigners are free to come and steal GSL spots from Korean youngblood while Koreans are banned in WCS events. If i was Korean and not being in top 30 players, what the hell would i still be playing for ?
Olimoleague, SSL, VSL, OnPoong tournaments, Corsair Cups, go4sc2s
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On June 25 2017 17:52 ilikeredheads wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:49 AshC wrote:On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. It is not just about foreigners took out Koreans in GSL but the fact NoRegret out of all people qualify for GSL. I certainly don't mind seeing Drogo, Elazer, Major and others to be in GSL. At least, they will show some good games. Not proxy hatches, lings plush and stupid cheeses every single game. That's a dumb way to think. So what if he only cheesed? Cheese is a legit strat. If the opponent can't defend it, then that's on his opponent. Flash used to be known as a heavy cheeser before he got famous.
Well, cheese is one thing but cheese every game is another thing. Also, there are 2 cheeses for NoRegret, proxy hatches and lings all-in (either from 12 pool or 3 bases (20 drones)). May as well pull the workers like NaNiWa did. That may be actually more entertaining.
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On June 25 2017 17:54 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:51 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. I don't understand this logic. When koreans lose to foreigners it's "they could have played better, their fault" but when foreigners lose to koreans it's "koreans preventing the local scene to grow, ban them!" If your arguing that the best players should qualify, then that should also apply to WCS. GSL is the highest level of Starcraft and should be open to everyone, whereas other tournaments such as WCS can focus on goals like fostering local scenes etc. While Korea needs tournaments to foster the lower strata of their competitive scene, GSL isn't it.
I wouldn't complain if korea had tournaments for the lower-tier players.
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Reminder that a Korean who wants to move their life to another country for months on end, like the foreigners are in the GSL, could also compete in WCS.
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On June 25 2017 17:54 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:51 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. I don't understand this logic. When koreans lose to foreigners it's "they could have played better, their fault" but when foreigners lose to koreans it's "koreans preventing the local scene to grow, ban them!" If your arguing that the best players should qualify, then that should also apply to WCS. GSL is the highest level of Starcraft and should be open to everyone, whereas other tournaments such as WCS can focus on goals like fostering local scenes etc. While Korea needs tournaments to foster the lower strata of their competitive scene, GSL isn't it.
Unfortunately it's the only one that has a chance of being 'it'. Realistically it's the only one that pays well enough (just for qualifying) to make trying to be a progamer worth your time.
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On June 25 2017 17:54 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:51 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. I don't understand this logic. When koreans lose to foreigners it's "they could have played better, their fault" but when foreigners lose to koreans it's "koreans preventing the local scene to grow, ban them!" If your arguing that the best players should qualify, then that should also apply to WCS. GSL is the highest level of Starcraft and should be open to everyone, whereas other tournaments such as WCS can focus on goals like fostering local scenes etc. While Korea needs tournaments to foster the lower strata of their competitive scene, GSL isn't it.
GSL is the only KR tournament to make a living ( SSL = premier only so if you arent top 10 you cant )
It's a local scenes, and you are ready to kill her
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Wow so many foreigners came to Korea.
Zest 
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On June 25 2017 17:56 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Reminder that a Korean who wants to move their life to another country for months on end, like the foreigners are in the GSL, could also compete in WCS.
Reminder that TRUE had to wait 9 months before he got his visa.
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Hurricane 2:1 Neeb
TEAR'D APART
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oh wow, Neeb not making it is quite ironic
too bad
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NOREGRET > NEEB CONFIRMED
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"Triple Crown"
"Top 10"
Ye GG WCS Champion = ro64
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Really? Out of all of them Neeb is the one who doesn't make it?
That's
Funny and sad at the same time
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On June 25 2017 17:56 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Reminder that a Korean who wants to move their life to another country for months on end, like the foreigners are in the GSL, could also compete in WCS.
Reminder that TRUE needed 9 months to get his VISA.
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GSL qualifiers are such a joke
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On June 25 2017 17:58 pvsnp wrote:
NOREGRET > NEEB CONFIRMED
I don't even know I should laugh about that or simply cry for such a ridiculous meme about to be born.
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On June 25 2017 17:57 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:56 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Reminder that a Korean who wants to move their life to another country for months on end, like the foreigners are in the GSL, could also compete in WCS. Reminder that TRUE had to wait 9 months before he got his visa.
Okay, pretty sure noregret has been in Korea that long too no? The point still stands.
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On June 25 2017 17:58 Nerchio wrote:
GSL qualifiers are such a joke
I'm glad that you aren't going for that easy money grabbing from Korean amateurs, real class, Artur!
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On June 25 2017 17:58 Nerchio wrote:
GSL qualifiers are such a joke
There you go. Even Nerchio says it as it is... Man, I can't say it better!
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At least Drogo and Neeb can comfort each other
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The distribution of groups is absurd
ANd BO3 too
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On June 25 2017 17:58 Nerchio wrote:
GSL qualifiers are such a joke
please don't go there and take their money
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On June 25 2017 17:59 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:57 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 17:56 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Reminder that a Korean who wants to move their life to another country for months on end, like the foreigners are in the GSL, could also compete in WCS. Reminder that TRUE had to wait 9 months before he got his visa. Okay, pretty sure noregret has been in Korea that long too no? The point still stands.
And Elazer/Neeb/Drogo/Major?
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Neeb out is so sad.these qualifiers man....
I haven't seen Neeb looked that pissed before
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On June 25 2017 17:59 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:57 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 17:56 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Reminder that a Korean who wants to move their life to another country for months on end, like the foreigners are in the GSL, could also compete in WCS. Reminder that TRUE had to wait 9 months before he got his visa. Okay, pretty sure noregret has been in Korea that long too no? The point still stands.
Not really. To be in WCS you need to be a resident of some sort. Whereas to participate in the GSL you just need to be there--which means that many players don't even need a Visa (actually come to think of it only the Chinese players need a Visa. Everyone else can go to Korea Visa free for up to 90 days. Except for Canadians who get 180 days Visa free instead).
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On June 25 2017 17:54 ParksonVN wrote:
It's completely unfair when foreigners are free to come and steal GSL spots from Korean youngblood while Koreans are banned in WCS events. If i was Korean and not being in top 30 players, what the hell would i still be playing for ?
Little discrimination, isn't it?
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Noregret will break the Zerg GSL win drought
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Triple Crown
Top 10
Multiple time WCS champion
Code A
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Never won a thing
Not top 50
Can't make it through WCS NA Qualifiers
Code S
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On June 25 2017 18:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Noregret will break the Zerg GSL win drought
Oh boy, can you imagine GSL S3 Final: soO vs NoRegret? That shocking news may revive the Korean SC2 scene for real.
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On June 25 2017 18:00 Musicus wrote:please don't go there and take their money
With a bit of luck can get all that juicy ro16 money.
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Groups seem a bit of a joke tbh, they should think of a better qualifying system. Feel bad for Neeb not being able to get in he is the best foreigner.
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On June 25 2017 18:03 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:00 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:58 Nerchio wrote:
GSL qualifiers are such a joke please don't go there and take their money That juicy ro16 money.
Ro16 for a foreigner? Please.
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On June 25 2017 18:03 Zaros wrote:
Groups seem a bit of a joke tbh, they should think of a better qualifying system. Feel bad for Neeb not being able to get in he is the best foreigner.
Round Robin like GPL
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On June 25 2017 18:02 showstealer1829 wrote:
Triple Crown
Top 10
Multiple time WCS champion
Code A
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Never won a thing
Not top 50
Can't make it through WCS NA Qualifiers
Code S
LOL. I should laugh and then cry just to think about it. Well-done, mate!
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On June 25 2017 18:04 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:03 D-light wrote:On June 25 2017 18:00 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:58 Nerchio wrote:
GSL qualifiers are such a joke please don't go there and take their money That juicy ro16 money. Ro16 for a foreigner? Please.
We need it. I need awkward group nominations again
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On June 25 2017 18:02 showstealer1829 wrote:
Triple Crown
Top 10
Multiple time WCS champion
Code A
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Never won a thing
Not top 50
Can't make it through WCS NA Qualifiers
Code S
this is indeed so weird
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On June 25 2017 18:03 Zaros wrote:
Groups seem a bit of a joke tbh, they should think of a better qualifying system. Feel bad for Neeb not being able to get in he is the best foreigner.
NoRegreT's group was objectively harder than Neeb's...
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On June 25 2017 18:04 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:03 D-light wrote:On June 25 2017 18:00 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:58 Nerchio wrote:
GSL qualifiers are such a joke please don't go there and take their money That juicy ro16 money. Ro16 for a foreigner? Please.
With some luck for Nerchio even ro16 can be possible.
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They 100% need to revamp the qualifier system for next year. It is a bit silly at this point
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The whiners are really too much.
yes, noregret probably had a much easier path to Code S compared to many others but that is mainly the format's fault.
If anyone, blame afreeca.
Secondly, come on man, noregret has been in korea for quite a while now, that is a huge commitment in itself. Give that man some credit and just celebrate he got into code s instead of whining so much about it.
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On June 25 2017 18:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
They 100% need to revamp the qualifier system for next year. It is a bit silly at this point
People have been clamoring for a better GSL qualification system since 2011.
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NoRegreT had 2 champions of 2017 Korean leagues in his group. Impact and INnoVation. He had the hardest group out of any foreigner.
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On June 25 2017 18:05 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:03 Zaros wrote:
Groups seem a bit of a joke tbh, they should think of a better qualifying system. Feel bad for Neeb not being able to get in he is the best foreigner. NoRegreT's group was objectively harder than Neeb's...
True. If it wasn't ZvZ he'd be out.
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On June 25 2017 18:06 Ej_ wrote:
NoRegreT had 2 champions of 2017 Korean leagues in his group. Impact and INnoVation. He had the hardest group out of any foreigner.
Don't forget a Dreamhack champion as well
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It is quite simple.
noRegret >>> Nerchio.
Code S >>> no guts to try.
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On June 25 2017 18:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
They 100% need to revamp the qualifier system for next year. It is a bit silly at this point
It's over, most of the code a players will play another game for 6 month, their lvl will drop even more. Or they will retire.
Blizzard just killed KR scene under our eyes
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Neeb not making it is hilarious. Good job Hurricane :D
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On June 25 2017 18:03 Zaros wrote:
Groups seem a bit of a joke tbh, they should think of a better qualifying system. Feel bad for Neeb not being able to get in he is the best foreigner.
Noregret is the best foreigner
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On June 25 2017 18:05 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:03 Zaros wrote:
Groups seem a bit of a joke tbh, they should think of a better qualifying system. Feel bad for Neeb not being able to get in he is the best foreigner. NoRegreT's group was objectively harder than Neeb's...
I'm not saying anything bad about NoRegreT he obviously played well to qualify just feel bad for Neeb, I think most people would agree Neeb is better than NoRegreT. Half the groups had missing spots and bo3 all the way through clearly the format is old and needs a bit of a rethink.
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On June 25 2017 18:05 Kaizor wrote:
The whiners are really too much.
yes, noregret probably had a much easier path to Code S compared to many others but that is mainly the format's fault.
If anyone, blame afreeca.
Secondly, come on man, noregret has been in korea for quite a while now, that is a huge commitment in itself. Give that man some credit and just celebrate he got into code s instead of whining so much about it.
Well, I do blame the stupid qualifier system.
NoRegret himself, I hate to say negative things about him given I don't know him plus he seems like a nice person. But if he gets better in KR like Scarlette does, playing SC2 with skills, not with 2 cheeses AKA proxy hatches and lings all-in, I might actually cheer for him.
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There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was
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Seriously, Noregret's group was hard as fuck.
Drogo, Impact and Inno is not an easy group at all if you look at others.
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On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was
Yeah, all they gotta do is rig the brackets like in the good old days.
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Kenzi iz da man.
Now please, bring me sOs back to his chance to win BlizzCon in 2017.
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On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was
Rofl nothing wrong really ?
Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups
Even WCS challenger is better
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On June 25 2017 18:09 Musicus wrote:
Seriously, Noregret's group was hard as fuck.
Drogo, Impact and Inno is not an easy group at all if you look at others.
It was the hardest in Afternoon. Making Noregret advancing an even bigger meme.
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Neeb lost twice to Hurricane, who is not some godlike figure. Not sure why blame the format
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This thread is seriously pathetic. A bunch of foreigners have done really well, beating koreans and everyone is upset. Flip it around, why do koreans who can't even beat foreigners in qualifiers "deserve" a spot in GSL?
The truth is the gap in skill between different regions has never been lower as the scene matures, but the skill level overall has never been higher. With players retiring and less people overall competing for spots of course its easier for foreigners - or koreans who do compete - to qualify. But having followed Code S since 2010 I can say if you are interested in high level play its better than ever. If you are only interested in the fortunes of has-beens or your fan-faves, you may be out of luck in this particular season.
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God I hope Tails beats sOs
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On June 25 2017 17:51 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. I don't understand this logic. When koreans lose to foreigners it's "they could have played better, their fault" but when foreigners lose to koreans it's "koreans preventing the local scene to grow, ban them!" If you're arguing that the best players should qualify, then that should also apply to WCS. Right now foreigners are preventing the growth of the korean scene.
Well, in all fairness, I can't claim to know what's right or best here. Maybe WCS should open up again, or maybe GSL should become region locked, or some other solution... The Korean scene has taken a hit, and I'm not sure what the best way to grow it back more might be. I didn't especially like the strict region locking when they implemented it, personally. Has it given the foreign scene more room to grow? (Honest question, I don't follow the foreign scenes at all these days).
There was a time when there was pretty much zero chance for this many foreigners to get into the GSL, and Koreans were (almost) always the favourite to win any tournament they were in, regardless of who else was in it. We are not at a point where we're seeing that kind of dominance from the foreign scene, but still I could agree that it seems like the region locking rules were designed for another era. My comment wasn't really meant to address the whole conversation about this.
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On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was Rofl nothing wrong really ? Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups Even WCS challenger is better
If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A.
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I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.
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On June 25 2017 18:11 Elwar wrote:
This thread is seriously pathetic. A bunch of foreigners have done really well, beating koreans and everyone is upset. Flip it around, why do koreans who can't even beat foreigners in qualifiers "deserve" a spot in GSL?
The truth is the gap in skill between different regions has never been lower as the scene matures, but the skill level overall has never been higher. With players retiring and less people overall competing for spots of course its easier for foreigners - or koreans who do compete - to qualify. But having followed Code S since 2010 I can say if you are interested in high level play its better than ever. If you are only interested in the fortunes of has-beens or your fan-faves, you may be out of luck in this particular season.
I too have followed the scene since 2010 and I disagree. What now?
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All Protoss foreigners didn't make it (and there quite a lot if we include the Chinese guys).
All Terran foreigners did it.
All Zerg foreigners apart for Johsnow did it.
Hmm... interesting.
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On June 25 2017 18:11 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was Rofl nothing wrong really ? Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups Even WCS challenger is better If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A.
Code A was bo5, which is a big difference, like no noregret in ro32.
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On June 25 2017 18:12 pvsnp wrote:
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.
I'll be upset if GuMiho doesn't pick Noregret
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On June 25 2017 18:13 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:12 pvsnp wrote:
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.
I'll be upset if GuMiho doesn't pick Noregret
Oh definitely. I expect the top-tier Koreans to step up and make a statement in the next few months, here in Season 3 and in GSL vs the World.
Well, I for one will be keenly interested to see if any of the foreigners manage to make it to Ro16.
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On June 25 2017 18:13 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:11 Inflicted wrote:On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was Rofl nothing wrong really ? Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups Even WCS challenger is better If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A. Code A was bo5, which is a big difference, like no noregret in ro32.
NoRegret went 4-2 vs Impact this qualifier so that's quite a bold claim.
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lol these salty whiners. Jake only lost his match against inno, and still manage to qualify despite being in an arguably pretty tough group. We should be happy for him, and not complain about "oh no! foreigners robbing code S spots from Koreans!" That's just BS.
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On June 25 2017 18:13 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:12 pvsnp wrote:
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.
I'll be upset if GuMiho doesn't pick Noregret
Noregret will not be in ro16
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On June 25 2017 18:13 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:11 Inflicted wrote:On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was Rofl nothing wrong really ? Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups Even WCS challenger is better If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A. Code A was bo5, which is a big difference, like no noregret in ro32.
Code A was bo5 single elimination exactly 5 seasons and everyone hated it. Before that it was GSL style groups.
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On June 25 2017 18:12 Olli wrote:I too have followed the scene since 2010 and I disagree. What now?
What now? You disagree with someone about something. Thats it.
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On June 25 2017 18:14 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:13 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:12 pvsnp wrote:
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.
I'll be upset if GuMiho doesn't pick Noregret Noregret will not be in ro16
GSL champion and runner up can pick a player each in ro32.
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Oh well, frankly, Ro16 is the real Code S these days. So wait until then.
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On June 25 2017 18:14 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:14 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:13 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:12 pvsnp wrote:
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.
I'll be upset if GuMiho doesn't pick Noregret Noregret will not be in ro16 GSL champion and runner up can pick a player each in ro32.
Ah, didnt know, thx
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On June 25 2017 18:14 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:13 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:12 pvsnp wrote:
I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.
I'll be upset if GuMiho doesn't pick Noregret Noregret will not be in ro16
GSL Champion gets to pick his Ro32 opponent.
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The better player wins.
I don't see why it has to be Koreans. The GSL qualifier has been brutal like this since WoL days I don't see why those Korean veterans need special protection all in a sudden.
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On June 25 2017 18:11 Elwar wrote:
This thread is seriously pathetic. A bunch of foreigners have done really well, beating koreans and everyone is upset. Flip it around, why do koreans who can't even beat foreigners in qualifiers "deserve" a spot in GSL?
flip it around, why do foreigners who can't beat koreans deserve a spot in WCS?
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On June 25 2017 18:13 ilikeredheads wrote:
lol these salty whiners. Jake only lost his match against inno, and still manage to qualify despite being in an arguably pretty tough group. We should be happy for him, and not complain about "oh no! foreigners robbing code S spots from Koreans!" That's just BS.
Who was happy for the Koreans when they took all the WCS money? Not enough people to stop the region lock.
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On June 25 2017 18:14 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:13 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:11 Inflicted wrote:On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was Rofl nothing wrong really ? Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups Even WCS challenger is better If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A. Code A was bo5, which is a big difference, like no noregret in ro32. Code A was bo5 single elimination exactly 5 seasons and everyone hated it. Before that it was GSL style groups.
Except that season when they rigged it against the foreigners
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Well played sOs!
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Well done sOs! You can still win your 2017 BlizzCon!
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On June 25 2017 18:15 Yiome wrote:
The better player wins.
I don't see why it has to be Koreans. The GSL qualifier has been brutal like this since WoL days I don't see why those Korean veterans need special protection all in a sudden.
Again, the argument isn't about the veterans. It's about the low tier players (who for example would be seeded into different brackets with no foreigners participating)
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On June 25 2017 18:15 Yiome wrote:
The better player wins.
I don't see why it has to be Koreans. The GSL qualifier has been brutal like this since WoL days I don't see why those Korean veterans need special protection all in a sudden.
Because foreigners get special protection too?
The korean scene isn't what it once was.
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On June 25 2017 18:15 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:14 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:13 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:11 Inflicted wrote:On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was Rofl nothing wrong really ? Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups Even WCS challenger is better If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A. Code A was bo5, which is a big difference, like no noregret in ro32. Code A was bo5 single elimination exactly 5 seasons and everyone hated it. Before that it was GSL style groups. Except that season when they rigged it against the foreigners
They should just go back to rigging everything
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On June 25 2017 18:15 karfussen wrote:Well played sOs!
But he can only play PvP as usual which won't help him in later rounds.
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On June 25 2017 18:17 Alarak89 wrote:But he can only play PvP as usual which won't help him in later rounds.
At least he gets a chance to get PvP unlike Zest
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I cant wait to see gsl s1 2018 qualifier
Some top 100GM in code S
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On June 02 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
Ez group for Cure please
what a fan
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On June 25 2017 18:15 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:14 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:13 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:11 Inflicted wrote:On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was Rofl nothing wrong really ? Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups Even WCS challenger is better If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A. Code A was bo5, which is a big difference, like no noregret in ro32. Code A was bo5 single elimination exactly 5 seasons and everyone hated it. Before that it was GSL style groups. Except that season when they rigged it against the foreigners
What do you mean?
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I'll start practicing for S1 2018 right away.
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Most $O$ way to qualify ever.
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On June 25 2017 18:19 Olli wrote:
I'll start practicing for S1 2018 right away.
Yeah with half a year of serious practice you might have a shot.
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On June 25 2017 18:18 DieuCure wrote:
I cant wait to see gsl s1 2018 qualifier
Some top 100GM in code S
And Cure still won't make it
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On June 25 2017 18:19 Olli wrote:
I'll start practicing for S1 2018 right away.
Maybe you can train HerO too
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On June 25 2017 18:19 Olli wrote:
I'll start practicing for S1 2018 right away.
You dont even need it
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On June 25 2017 18:18 DieuCure wrote:
I cant wait to see gsl s1 2018 qualifier
Some top 100GM in code S
Wasn't that Nightmare this year?
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I think they need to open up WCS to Koreans again, if the skill gap is apparently so low now between Koreans and Foreigners then there is no reason for a region lock and it was pretty unfair in the first place.
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On June 25 2017 18:19 maddogmcgee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:15 Ej_ wrote:On June 25 2017 18:14 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:13 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:11 Inflicted wrote:On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was Rofl nothing wrong really ? Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups Even WCS challenger is better If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A. Code A was bo5, which is a big difference, like no noregret in ro32. Code A was bo5 single elimination exactly 5 seasons and everyone hated it. Before that it was GSL style groups. Except that season when they rigged it against the foreigners What do you mean?
oh sorry, it was SSL that got rigged then:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_StarLeague_Season_1/Challenge
Scarlett and Jim "randomly" drew TY and Maru, respectively
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On June 25 2017 18:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:what a fan
Cure did not try to qualify? Again because of his girlfriend?
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On June 25 2017 18:19 Olli wrote:
I'll start practicing for S1 2018 right away.
All of the LR regulars should go, maybe we can get an easy bracket with each other
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wow, wow, wow
MajOr, Elazer, TIME, Scarlett and NoRegret qualified ? How hype is this ?
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On June 25 2017 18:20 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:18 DieuCure wrote:
I cant wait to see gsl s1 2018 qualifier
Some top 100GM in code S And Cure still won't make it
Sure, Blizzard is pushing away top 2 terran 2016, top5 zerg, 2016 s1 gsl champ etc from their game just to see scarlett dying in ro32
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On June 25 2017 18:21 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:19 maddogmcgee wrote:On June 25 2017 18:15 Ej_ wrote:On June 25 2017 18:14 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:13 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:11 Inflicted wrote:On June 25 2017 18:10 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:09 Inflicted wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the format. It's basically a bunch of GSL groups which is the same as what Code A once was Rofl nothing wrong really ? Most important qualifier of the year = randoms bo3 groups Even WCS challenger is better If you look at the groups, they basically seed 2 good players in each group and randomise the rest. They would've done the same thing with Code A. Code A was bo5, which is a big difference, like no noregret in ro32. Code A was bo5 single elimination exactly 5 seasons and everyone hated it. Before that it was GSL style groups. Except that season when they rigged it against the foreigners What do you mean? oh sorry, it was SSL that got rigged then: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_StarLeague_Season_1/ChallengeScarlett and Jim "randomly" drew TY and Maru, respectively
It kept going in the later seasons that year. Snute got Inno etc.
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On June 25 2017 18:20 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:19 Olli wrote:
I'll start practicing for S1 2018 right away. Maybe you can train HerO too
I'm not training competitors, I'm no charity
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On June 25 2017 18:22 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:20 Inflicted wrote:On June 25 2017 18:19 Olli wrote:
I'll start practicing for S1 2018 right away. Maybe you can train HerO too I'm not training competitors, I'm no charity
HerO isn't a competitor so it's ok.
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On June 25 2017 18:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wow, wow, wow
MajOr, Elazer, TIME, Scarlett and NoRegret qualified ? How hype is this ?
If you read through the thread, everyone's sad the Korean scene is dead.
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On June 25 2017 18:21 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:19 Olli wrote:
I'll start practicing for S1 2018 right away. All of the LR regulars should go, maybe we can get an easy bracket with each other
I lost my last LR tournament match to Scarlett. I'll make sure to knock her out of Code S for it.
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On June 25 2017 18:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wow, wow, wow
MajOr, Elazer, TIME, Scarlett and NoRegret qualified ? How hype is this ?
It's feeling a little more shitstormy than hype tbh
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On June 25 2017 18:21 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 02 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
Ez group for Cure please what a fan Cure did not try to qualify? Again because of his girlfriend?
He isnt with her anymore i think, that's why he started practice again+OW.
But look at Myungsik, it's hard to recover.
So yea, the most gifted sc2 player cant make it through code s just because of silly qualifier format
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5 groups with foreigners will be pretty hype!
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On June 25 2017 18:24 Diabolique wrote:
5 groups with foreigners will be pretty hype!
Just wait for the Group with Scarlett, NoRegret,Elazer and Time. Noregret will ZvZ into the ro16.
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On June 25 2017 18:22 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wow, wow, wow
MajOr, Elazer, TIME, Scarlett and NoRegret qualified ? How hype is this ? If you read through the thread, everyone's sad the Korean scene is dead.
I didn't. But yeah that's quite obvious that there is no Korean scene anymore, just some top athletes continuing to wreck faces because they're crazy talented and were trained thoroughly. Otherwise it's a slow decay.
Doesn't change the fact that Scarlett beating Zest to qualify (although I don't know how horrible Zest may have played) isn't a walkover for instance, and that I'll be elated to see Elazer (and the others) against top notch Koreans in GSL format.
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IEM Shanghai qualifier > code S
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On June 25 2017 18:21 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:20 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 18:18 DieuCure wrote:
I cant wait to see gsl s1 2018 qualifier
Some top 100GM in code S And Cure still won't make it Sure, Blizzard is pushing away top 2 terran 2016, top5 zerg, 2016 s1 gsl champ etc from their game just to see scarlett dying in ro32
you are so toxic... I can undestand low tier korean player problems(that is valid argument), but here we have TOP-TOP-TOP players cant win a bunch of non-korens
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On June 25 2017 18:23 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:21 Diabolique wrote:On June 25 2017 18:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 02 2017 00:38 DieuCure wrote:
Ez group for Cure please what a fan Cure did not try to qualify? Again because of his girlfriend? He isnt with her anymore i think, that's why he started practice again+OW. But look at Myungsik, it's hard to recover. So yea, the most gifted sc2 player cant make it through code s just because of silly qualifier format
Damned, lost to Prince, who lost to everyone else ... no more Harry Potter ...
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On June 25 2017 18:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:22 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wow, wow, wow
MajOr, Elazer, TIME, Scarlett and NoRegret qualified ? How hype is this ? If you read through the thread, everyone's sad the Korean scene is dead. I didn't. But yeah that's quite obvious that there is no Korean scene anymore, just some top athletes continuing to wreck faces because they're crazy talented and were trained thoroughly. Otherwise it's a slow decay. Doesn't change the fact that Scarlett beating Zest to qualify (although I don't know how horrible Zest may have played) isn't a walkover for instance, and that I'll be elated to see Elazer for instance against top notch Koreans in GSL format.
Zest may as well count as a walkover for most players
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Liquipedia, you have Dear advancing twice and you should have Stats instead. Thanks
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On June 25 2017 18:25 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:24 Diabolique wrote:
5 groups with foreigners will be pretty hype! Just wait for the Group with Scarlett, NoRegret,Elazer and Time. Noregret will ZvZ into the ro16.
They are doing the groups based on quality. Rankings. The 5 foreigners all belong into the lowest tier basket, so they will be all in different groups.
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I hope Blizzard will open up WCS for koreans in 2018 now, it's totally unfair that foreigners can go to Korea but koreans can't go abroad.
And the viewership sunk anyway since the hard region lock, they can't use that excuse anymore: the scene isn't growing anyway, overall.
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On June 25 2017 18:27 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 25 2017 18:22 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wow, wow, wow
MajOr, Elazer, TIME, Scarlett and NoRegret qualified ? How hype is this ? If you read through the thread, everyone's sad the Korean scene is dead. I didn't. But yeah that's quite obvious that there is no Korean scene anymore, just some top athletes continuing to wreck faces because they're crazy talented and were trained thoroughly. Otherwise it's a slow decay. Doesn't change the fact that Scarlett beating Zest to qualify (although I don't know how horrible Zest may have played) isn't a walkover for instance, and that I'll be elated to see Elazer for instance against top notch Koreans in GSL format. Zest may as well count as a walkover for most players
Only 2/3 of them.
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On June 25 2017 18:28 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:25 Zaros wrote:On June 25 2017 18:24 Diabolique wrote:
5 groups with foreigners will be pretty hype! Just wait for the Group with Scarlett, NoRegret,Elazer and Time. Noregret will ZvZ into the ro16. They are doing the groups based on quality. Rankings. The 5 foreigners all belong into the lowest tier basket, so they will be all in different groups.
Ah ok fair enough
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On June 25 2017 18:28 HsDLTitich wrote:
I hope Blizzard will open up WCS for koreans in 2018 now, it's totally unfair that foreigners can go to Korea but koreans can't go abroad.
And the viewership sunk anyway since the hard region lock, they can't use that excuse anymore: the scene isn't growing anyway.
But they will retire before 2018, so we have to deal with it.
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On June 25 2017 18:24 Diabolique wrote:
5 groups with foreigners will be pretty hype!
And depressing.
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On June 25 2017 18:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:27 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 25 2017 18:22 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wow, wow, wow
MajOr, Elazer, TIME, Scarlett and NoRegret qualified ? How hype is this ? If you read through the thread, everyone's sad the Korean scene is dead. I didn't. But yeah that's quite obvious that there is no Korean scene anymore, just some top athletes continuing to wreck faces because they're crazy talented and were trained thoroughly. Otherwise it's a slow decay. Doesn't change the fact that Scarlett beating Zest to qualify (although I don't know how horrible Zest may have played) isn't a walkover for instance, and that I'll be elated to see Elazer for instance against top notch Koreans in GSL format. Zest may as well count as a walkover for most players Only 2/3 of them.
Is Protoss still 1/3 of the playerbase tho?
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Do we know if there's even going to be GSLs taking place next year anyway ?
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On June 25 2017 18:29 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 25 2017 18:27 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 25 2017 18:22 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 18:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
wow, wow, wow
MajOr, Elazer, TIME, Scarlett and NoRegret qualified ? How hype is this ? If you read through the thread, everyone's sad the Korean scene is dead. I didn't. But yeah that's quite obvious that there is no Korean scene anymore, just some top athletes continuing to wreck faces because they're crazy talented and were trained thoroughly. Otherwise it's a slow decay. Doesn't change the fact that Scarlett beating Zest to qualify (although I don't know how horrible Zest may have played) isn't a walkover for instance, and that I'll be elated to see Elazer for instance against top notch Koreans in GSL format. Zest may as well count as a walkover for most players Only 2/3 of them. Is Protoss still 1/3 of the playerbase tho?
More like 1/4
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On June 25 2017 18:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Do we know if there's even going to be GSLs taking place next year anyway ?
Yes. But it should be the last.
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On June 25 2017 18:26 Couguar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:21 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:20 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 18:18 DieuCure wrote:
I cant wait to see gsl s1 2018 qualifier
Some top 100GM in code S And Cure still won't make it Sure, Blizzard is pushing away top 2 terran 2016, top5 zerg, 2016 s1 gsl champ etc from their game just to see scarlett dying in ro32 you are so toxic... I can undestand low tier korean player problems(that is valid argument), but here we have TOP-TOP-TOP players cant win a bunch of non-korens
The problem is that koreans need those GSL paychecks to make a living while foreigners have already the WCS money.
And Zest isn't really top tier atm.
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On June 25 2017 18:30 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Do we know if there's even going to be GSLs taking place next year anyway ?
The current WCS system is a 2-year deal. It'll be the same in 2018 it is now.
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On June 25 2017 18:28 HsDLTitich wrote:
I hope Blizzard will open up WCS for koreans in 2018 now, it's totally unfair that foreigners can go to Korea but koreans can't go abroad.
And the viewership sunk anyway since the hard region lock, they can't use that excuse anymore: the scene isn't growing anyway, overall.
I hope so too. You can have 8 places for Koreans in WCS events. Everything is global, everything is fair.
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I wonder how far the hype train will go before it crashes. How many foreigners make it to the Ro16? 0? 1? 5?
Will they have to bring in a translator for group selection? o.O
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On June 25 2017 18:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:28 HsDLTitich wrote:
I hope Blizzard will open up WCS for koreans in 2018 now, it's totally unfair that foreigners can go to Korea but koreans can't go abroad.
And the viewership sunk anyway since the hard region lock, they can't use that excuse anymore: the scene isn't growing anyway, overall. I hope so too. You can have 8 places for Koreans in WCS events. Everything is global, everything is fair.
From blizzard logic it's better to see a code A player winning 2 WCS Circuit events.
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On June 25 2017 18:18 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:17 Alarak89 wrote:On June 25 2017 18:15 karfussen wrote:Well played sOs! But he can only play PvP as usual which won't help him in later rounds. At least he gets a chance to get PvP unlike Zest
Well yes, at least he is still alive and that's what sOs has been doing for years, never die out.
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I can't imagine that the Koreans are not at least a little pissed about the foreigners in Code S. One is a novelty, two a curiosity, but five!? Professional pride has to object to that.
The only thing Koreans are mad about sc2 is region lock by blizzard.
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On June 25 2017 18:33 pvsnp wrote:
I wonder how far the hype train will go before it crashes. How many foreigners make it to the Ro16? 0? 1? 5?
Will they have to bring in a translator for group selection? o.O
5? As if. I can't imagine the groups getting that bad.
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On June 25 2017 18:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:33 pvsnp wrote:
I wonder how far the hype train will go before it crashes. How many foreigners make it to the Ro16? 0? 1? 5?
Will they have to bring in a translator for group selection? o.O 5? As if. I can't imagine the groups getting that bad.
With luck, Gumiho picks one, soO picks another, and the last three get stuck in groups of death.
But probabilistically, the odds of 1 foreigner getting through (say MajOr) are not terrible.
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This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point.
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What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer??
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On June 25 2017 18:38 Charoisaur wrote:
This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point.
But this time they have faces
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On June 25 2017 18:39 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:38 Charoisaur wrote:
This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point. But this time they have faces
Unlike MC, MMA, Hyun etc
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On June 25 2017 18:39 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:38 Charoisaur wrote:
This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point. But this time they have faces
Poe's law in action here... I mean, I hope this is sarcasm, otherwise this is extremely racist.
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On June 25 2017 18:39 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:38 Charoisaur wrote:
This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point. But this time they have faces
That explains why Neeb didn't qualify
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On June 25 2017 18:42 HsDLTitich wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:39 Durnuu wrote:On June 25 2017 18:38 Charoisaur wrote:
This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point. But this time they have faces Poe's law in action here... I mean, I hope this is sarcasm, otherwise this is extremely racist.
It's obviously sarcasm. When people criticized koreans "invading" WCS, the term "faceless korean" was quite common (as dumb as it is).
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On June 25 2017 18:44 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:39 Durnuu wrote:On June 25 2017 18:38 Charoisaur wrote:
This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point. But this time they have faces That explains why Neeb didn't qualify
ouch
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Just joining in now, but holy shit, the demise of Zest is real. And really going to miss Byul in the GSL - he must be the highest quality player to not be in it.
I for one welcome the foreigners. But region lock should be completely off the table now.
Btw, TY said that TIME would become a great player half a year ago.
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On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
Coming to grips with the fact that the Korean scene is almost entirely dead. We're under 32 Code S level Koreans now. I don't imagine that number growing until the end of 2018.
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On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer??
They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation.
But ye, we are wrong.
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On June 25 2017 18:44 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:42 HsDLTitich wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Durnuu wrote:On June 25 2017 18:38 Charoisaur wrote:
This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point. But this time they have faces Poe's law in action here... I mean, I hope this is sarcasm, otherwise this is extremely racist. It's obviously sarcasm. When people criticized koreans "invading" WCS, the term "faceless korean" was quite common (as dumb as it is).
Yeah i got that, still you should drop that /s, you never know these times lol
Someone unironically used that argument in another tl thread a couple of weeks ago and I was like wtf
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On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer??
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me !
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This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point.
This is why region lock is a stupid system made by blizzard, which is the only difference. Foreigners can compete in GSL freely while Koreans are not allowed in WCS Circuit...
I mean there's nothing wrong foreigners play in GSL, we want the league to be more popular and globalized, but the only problem is 'Koreans are not allowed in WCS Dreamhack'
What a fair play by blizzard.
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On June 25 2017 18:48 TheHumanLife wrote:Show nested quote +This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point. This is why region lock is a stupid system made by blizzard, which is the only difference. Foreigners can compete in GSL freely while Koreans are not allowed in WCS Circuit... I mean there's nothing wrong foreigners play in GSL, we want the league to be more popular and globalized, but the only problem is 'Koreans are not allowed in WCS Dreamhack' What a fair play by blizzard.
It was the only way to have an American champion.
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On June 25 2017 18:46 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what?? Coming to grips with the fact that the Korean scene is almost entirely dead. We're under 32 Code S level Koreans now. I don't imagine that number growing until the end of 2018.
yeah that hurts. But we all knew that was coming someday. We're at that point, the future looks rather dire. I hope 2018 isn't the last year we enjoy pro sc2...
Let's enjoy what we are given though, this GSL should offer a great deal of excitement !
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BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans.
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On June 25 2017 18:48 TheHumanLife wrote:Show nested quote +This is basically reverse 2013/2014.
Foreigners coming over to get that easy money preventing the local scene to grow.
Okay money might not be the motivation for them but you get the point. This is why region lock is a stupid system made by blizzard, which is the only difference. Foreigners can compete in GSL freely while Koreans are not allowed in WCS Circuit... I mean there's nothing wrong foreigners play in GSL, we want the league to be more popular and globalized, but the only problem is 'Koreans are not allowed in WCS Dreamhack' What a fair play by blizzard.
Agreed, either both regions are region locked or everything is open.
Current system is just unfair.
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On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans.
It's on the Korean server.
We will see Scarlett and the rest of the players that are in Korea, but would've loved to see more EU players vs Koreans :/.
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On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer??
If they are that good, why the stupid region-lock then?
Also, it is not just a problem with foreigners in GSL but NoRegret in GSL Code S! I don't even know what to say.
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On June 25 2017 18:53 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans. It's on the Korean server.
But foreigners can still participate if they want, right?
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On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans.
There are only 10 spots open, and the skill gap between the best ~30 Koreans and the best 10 Koreans is a fucking chasm.
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On June 25 2017 18:55 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:53 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans. It's on the Korean server. But foreigners can still participate if they want, right?
Yeah but EU to KR ping is pretty much unplayable and even NA to KR is difficult. So don't expect many foreigners outside of Korea to try.
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On June 25 2017 18:55 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:53 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans. It's on the Korean server. But foreigners can still participate if they want, right?
They can. I think Nerchio wants to give it a try but the ping is just too much from EU so he doesn't hold his breath for it. I'm sure others foreigners in KR will try. I know Elazer will for sure.
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But foreigners can still participate if they want, right?
If the qualification is only played on KR server, then Koreans have massive advantage to qualify unless IEM invites few foreigners. So I don't think IEM Shanghai is a good chance for foreigners.
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On June 25 2017 18:55 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:53 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans. It's on the Korean server. But foreigners can still participate if they want, right?
Yeah, but it means we will see the same foreingers as today. Would've loved to see some more EU players vs Koreans.
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On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong.
Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby??
how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth?
On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me !
For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers.
People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it.
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On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth?
So, why can they qualify in code S then ?
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On June 25 2017 18:58 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:55 Alarak89 wrote:On June 25 2017 18:53 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 18:50 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW two days later, IEM Shanghai global qualifier will occur, don't forget to check what will happen there between foreigners and Koreans. It's on the Korean server. But foreigners can still participate if they want, right? Yeah, but it means we will see the same foreingers as today. Would've loved to see some more EU players vs Koreans.
Well this is just an remainder, as you may know, the tournaments are completely compacted during the month of July if you are a top player.
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On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me ! For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers. People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it.
Wow, for GSL you said about the best players should advance, and for WCS you said Blizzard doesnt want to see all Korean vs Korean. What an argument ! So tell me what the hell you are considering ? Skill level or nationality ?
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Cant wait to see Maru drop a manner CC against noregret, he deserves it
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Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby??
how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth?
Well if what you said is true then the foreign scene does not deserved to be called 'pro scene' If you are gonna make such excuse, then treat your league as rural amateurs league.
For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers.
People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it.
Do you know the meaning of professional scene? The better player always deserve to take all the money and trophy. It is not only about nationality. Koreans or foreigners whoever it is, the best player deserved to get all the money and trophy. The region lock system is a shameful system.
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On June 25 2017 19:03 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? So, why can they qualify in code S then ?
Cant Koreans play in WCS? I remember Polt and Hydra playing WCS last year.. Hell even TRUE won one of the DreamHacks.. in Montreal if think.. against Polt.. and guess what.. they are both Koreans
TRUE is rank 8 in current WCS with 1230 points..
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On June 25 2017 19:08 TheHumanLife wrote:Show nested quote +Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby??
how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? Well if what you said is true then the foreign scene does not deserved to be called 'pro scene' If you are gonna make such excuse, then treat your league as rural amateurs league. Show nested quote +For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers.
People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it. Do you know the meaning of professional scene? The better player always deserve to take all the money and trophy. It is not only about nationality. Koreans or foreigners whoever it is, the best player deserved to get all the money and trophy. The region lock system is a shameful system.
cant disagree
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On June 25 2017 19:10 Vanillatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:03 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? So, why can they qualify in code S then ? Cant Koreans play in WCS? I remember Polt and Hydra playing WCS last year.. Hell even TRUE won one of the DreamHacks.. in Montreal if think.. against Polt.. and guess what.. they are both Koreans TRUE is rank 8 in current WCS with 1230 points..
TRUE had to wait 9 month to get a visa etc, when drogo/elazer etc just booked a flight
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Cant wait to see Maru drop a manner CC against noregret, he deserves it
Maru only does that to someone who offended him personally.
Myungsik mocked Maru's teammate Rogue before in team league, so Maru revenged for his teammate with mules.
And Maru's mule to Nerchio in Kespa cup. I think Maru probably misunderstood Nerchio's interview about himself. (He probably thought Nerchio BMed him through interview)
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NoRegret offended starcraft
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On June 25 2017 19:14 DieuCure wrote:
NoRegret offended starcraft
Now you're going a little bit to far (even though it's probably a joke)
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On June 25 2017 19:06 ParksonVN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me ! For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers. People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it. Wow, for GSL you said about the best players should advance, and for WCS you said Blizzard doesnt want to see all Korean vs Korean. What an argument ! So tell me what the hell you are considering ? Skill level or nationality ?
Region lock exists because koreans were winning everything ... yes they were the best and stuff but with time its get boring.. or it only interests group of ppl from that region/country. Blizzard wanted to change things a bit..
Anyhow, why do you even complain???? if Koreans are the best of the best.. then why they are loosing to foreigners..
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At this point I won't blame Hot6 if they decide to terminate their sponsorship of the GSL. The Korean professional scene simply lacks the number of skilled players necessary to populate it.
Not to mention there's little financial point in advertising an exclusively-Korean energy drink to foreign audiences.
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On June 25 2017 19:11 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:10 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:03 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? So, why can they qualify in code S then ? Cant Koreans play in WCS? I remember Polt and Hydra playing WCS last year.. Hell even TRUE won one of the DreamHacks.. in Montreal if think.. against Polt.. and guess what.. they are both Koreans TRUE is rank 8 in current WCS with 1230 points.. TRUE had to wait 9 month to get a visa etc, when drogo/elazer etc just booked a flight
I think for HSC there are always at least few Koreans.. do they wait 9 months too? Are u sure drogo/elazer didnt need visa to come to Korea?
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how could have impact lost twice to noregret? maybe he does't deserve to be in code s
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On June 25 2017 19:18 Vanillatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:11 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 19:10 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:03 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? So, why can they qualify in code S then ? Cant Koreans play in WCS? I remember Polt and Hydra playing WCS last year.. Hell even TRUE won one of the DreamHacks.. in Montreal if think.. against Polt.. and guess what.. they are both Koreans TRUE is rank 8 in current WCS with 1230 points.. TRUE had to wait 9 month to get a visa etc, when drogo/elazer etc just booked a flight I think for HSC there are always at least few Koreans.. do they wait 9 months too? Are u sure drogo/elazer didnt need visa to come to Korea?
HSC isn't part of WCS. Take refused to do it because if he wanted to get the Blizzard cash he'd have to have held a WCS Circuit event, which bans Koreans that don't wait 9 months for a visa.
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On June 25 2017 19:18 Vanillatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:11 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 19:10 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:03 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? So, why can they qualify in code S then ? Cant Koreans play in WCS? I remember Polt and Hydra playing WCS last year.. Hell even TRUE won one of the DreamHacks.. in Montreal if think.. against Polt.. and guess what.. they are both Koreans TRUE is rank 8 in current WCS with 1230 points.. TRUE had to wait 9 month to get a visa etc, when drogo/elazer etc just booked a flight I think for HSC there are always at least few Koreans.. do they wait 9 months too? Are u sure drogo/elazer didnt need visa to come to Korea?
HSC either :
- Does not give WCS point (therefore isn't under WCS rules, HSC XIV).
- Or when it did (HSC XIII), it only had TRUE, who has a visa.
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On June 25 2017 19:20 GUrbak wrote:
how could have impact lost twice to noregret? maybe he don't deserve to be in code s
I think the more apt question is "How could Impact lose twice to NoRegreT yet 2-0 Drogo?"
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On June 25 2017 19:18 Vanillatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:11 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 19:10 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:03 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? So, why can they qualify in code S then ? Cant Koreans play in WCS? I remember Polt and Hydra playing WCS last year.. Hell even TRUE won one of the DreamHacks.. in Montreal if think.. against Polt.. and guess what.. they are both Koreans TRUE is rank 8 in current WCS with 1230 points.. TRUE had to wait 9 month to get a visa etc, when drogo/elazer etc just booked a flight I think for HSC there are always at least few Koreans.. do they wait 9 months too? Are u sure drogo/elazer didnt need visa to come to Korea?
But as Korean you dont just have to have a tourist visa, but :
Residency requirements stay the same
The residency requirements for WCS Circuit remain the same as last year. Players will need proof of citizenship, permanent residency, or an appropriate visa in order to compete and earn points in the WCS Circuit. A minimum number of ladder games in the home region will also be required. The full details will be forthcoming in the WCS 2017 Rules. And on the WCS Korea side, any player can compete.
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On June 25 2017 19:16 Vanillatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:06 ParksonVN wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me ! For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers. People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it. Wow, for GSL you said about the best players should advance, and for WCS you said Blizzard doesnt want to see all Korean vs Korean. What an argument ! So tell me what the hell you are considering ? Skill level or nationality ? Region lock exists because koreans were winning everything ... yes they were the best and stuff but with time its get boring.. or it only interests group of ppl from that region/country. Blizzard wanted to change things a bit.. Anyhow, why do you even complain???? if Koreans are the best of the best.. then why they are loosing to foreigners..
We complain because the lower-tier koreans (who aren't the best of the best) get prevented from receiving their paychecks killing any hope of new young players breaking into the scene just so that foreigners (who already get enough money through WCS) have a nice experience.
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On June 25 2017 19:30 Shellshock wrote:
Noregret > neeb
Noregret > Ptitdrogo
Noregret > JonSnow
Noregret > Nerchio
Noregret > *
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I am fascinated by the internet's ability to be upset no matter what. The region lock is stupid, so much is true, but arguing "there is region lock in wcs so there should be one in gsl" is many levels of stupidity above it. You should be happy that there is a place without the idiotic rules instead of trying to have them everywhere for "fairness".
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On June 25 2017 19:30 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:16 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:06 ParksonVN wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me ! For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers. People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it. Wow, for GSL you said about the best players should advance, and for WCS you said Blizzard doesnt want to see all Korean vs Korean. What an argument ! So tell me what the hell you are considering ? Skill level or nationality ? Region lock exists because koreans were winning everything ... yes they were the best and stuff but with time its get boring.. or it only interests group of ppl from that region/country. Blizzard wanted to change things a bit.. Anyhow, why do you even complain???? if Koreans are the best of the best.. then why they are loosing to foreigners.. We complain because the lower-tier koreans (who aren't the best of the best) get prevented from receiving their paychecks killing any hope of new young players breaking into the scene just so that foreigners (who already get enough money through WCS) have a nice experience.
like zest
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On June 25 2017 19:43 GoloSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:30 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 19:16 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:06 ParksonVN wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me ! For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers. People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it. Wow, for GSL you said about the best players should advance, and for WCS you said Blizzard doesnt want to see all Korean vs Korean. What an argument ! So tell me what the hell you are considering ? Skill level or nationality ? Region lock exists because koreans were winning everything ... yes they were the best and stuff but with time its get boring.. or it only interests group of ppl from that region/country. Blizzard wanted to change things a bit.. Anyhow, why do you even complain???? if Koreans are the best of the best.. then why they are loosing to foreigners.. We complain because the lower-tier koreans (who aren't the best of the best) get prevented from receiving their paychecks killing any hope of new young players breaking into the scene just so that foreigners (who already get enough money through WCS) have a nice experience. like zest
And ByuL
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Grats to all!
On June 25 2017 19:16 pvsnp wrote:
Not to mention there's little financial point in advertising an exclusively-Korean energy drink to foreign audiences.
Aren't there some Western countries that import it? Can't find any in mine, even Pocari Sweat seems to have disappeared.
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Wait, Has was there? Damn, I thought he quit.
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On June 25 2017 19:30 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:16 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:06 ParksonVN wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me ! For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers. People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it. Wow, for GSL you said about the best players should advance, and for WCS you said Blizzard doesnt want to see all Korean vs Korean. What an argument ! So tell me what the hell you are considering ? Skill level or nationality ? Region lock exists because koreans were winning everything ... yes they were the best and stuff but with time its get boring.. or it only interests group of ppl from that region/country. Blizzard wanted to change things a bit.. Anyhow, why do you even complain???? if Koreans are the best of the best.. then why they are loosing to foreigners.. We complain because the lower-tier koreans (who aren't the best of the best) get prevented from receiving their paychecks killing any hope of new young players breaking into the scene just so that foreigners (who already get enough money through WCS) have a nice experience.
Welcome to the foreigners land couple years ago...
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On June 25 2017 19:58 Vanillatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:30 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 19:16 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:06 ParksonVN wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me ! For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers. People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it. Wow, for GSL you said about the best players should advance, and for WCS you said Blizzard doesnt want to see all Korean vs Korean. What an argument ! So tell me what the hell you are considering ? Skill level or nationality ? Region lock exists because koreans were winning everything ... yes they were the best and stuff but with time its get boring.. or it only interests group of ppl from that region/country. Blizzard wanted to change things a bit.. Anyhow, why do you even complain???? if Koreans are the best of the best.. then why they are loosing to foreigners.. We complain because the lower-tier koreans (who aren't the best of the best) get prevented from receiving their paychecks killing any hope of new young players breaking into the scene just so that foreigners (who already get enough money through WCS) have a nice experience. Welcome to the foreigners land couple years ago...
I didn't like it back then either
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On June 25 2017 20:02 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:58 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:30 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 19:16 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:06 ParksonVN wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me ! For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers. People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it. Wow, for GSL you said about the best players should advance, and for WCS you said Blizzard doesnt want to see all Korean vs Korean. What an argument ! So tell me what the hell you are considering ? Skill level or nationality ? Region lock exists because koreans were winning everything ... yes they were the best and stuff but with time its get boring.. or it only interests group of ppl from that region/country. Blizzard wanted to change things a bit.. Anyhow, why do you even complain???? if Koreans are the best of the best.. then why they are loosing to foreigners.. We complain because the lower-tier koreans (who aren't the best of the best) get prevented from receiving their paychecks killing any hope of new young players breaking into the scene just so that foreigners (who already get enough money through WCS) have a nice experience. Welcome to the foreigners land couple years ago... I didn't like it back then either
Its not perfect but for now is enuf to lower the gap between Koreans and foreigners. I guess ppl from previous era should brace themself for even more tournaments where Koreans loose to foreigners.
I bet soon the gap will be so small that blizzard removes the region lock.
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Is this the most foreigners in a GSL Code S ever? I know some of the early ones had quite a few (HuK, IdrA, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, etc) Anyhow, great job guys!
As for the complaints about the "low-tier" Koreans being cheated out of their "paychecks" - while I sympathize, it is a competition. If you want to be guaranteed money from a competition you have to be good enough to qualify, no? You can't just show up and get paid, that's not how a competitive scene works. Like Nadal or Federer can't go to the French Open and complain about missing a paycheck when someone knocks them out in the early rounds. I don't really get it but whatever, happy to see so many good players (new and old) in Code S, looking forward to the season ^_^. GGs all!
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On June 25 2017 20:33 Arghmyliver wrote:
Is this the most foreigners in a GSL Code S ever? I know some of the early ones had quite a few (HuK, IdrA, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, etc) Anyhow, great job guys!
As for the complaints about the "low-tier" Koreans being cheated out of their "paychecks" - while I sympathize, it is a competition. If you want to be guaranteed money from a competition you have to be good enough to qualify, no? You can't just show up and get paid, that's not how a competitive scene works. Like Nadal or Federer can't go to the French Open and complain about missing a paycheck when someone knocks them out in the early rounds. I don't really get it but whatever, happy to see so many good players (new and old) in Code S, looking forward to the season ^_^. GGs all!
All you said is true, but it's unfair when Dreamhacks are region locked and GSLs are not.
If GSL is a competetion and nobody should be upset about stronger foreigners taking the spots of weaker Koreans, than it should be okay for Koreans to take the spots of weaker foreigners in the WCS circuit.
Either open up everything to everybody (much prefered solution) or protect both regions with region lock.
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On June 25 2017 20:06 Vanillatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 20:02 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 19:58 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:30 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 19:16 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 19:06 ParksonVN wrote:On June 25 2017 19:00 Vanillatoss wrote:On June 25 2017 18:46 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 18:39 Vanillatoss wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Still living in the previous era or what??
When you watched WCS Austin or Jonkchoping werent you proud of foreiners and didnt u wonder how well would these guys do against koreans?
Major, Scarlet, Elazer... Neeb, Nerchio, Serral.. their skill level, mechanics and the understanding of SC2 is very very good! They dont make many mistakes like foreiners used to do.. Why cant they compete with the best all of the sudden?? SC2 is not a hobby for them anymore but the real job to get money from.
And Koreans.. are just Koreans lol. They are humans just like everybody else. They were and still are just as good as before. They take esport very serioously just like foreiners these days.
Anyhow, Im soooooooo happy that 5 foreigners made it to GSL S. Im pretty sure more would if they decided to play the qualifariers. Is there anyone who says that Serral, Kelazhur, Nerchio, Snute is not GSL code S progamer?? They are bad ( wcs backtoback champion = codeA player ) and they deprive ro32 players of what it comes to them, their only source of income. So, they have to retire to make a living, just because scarlett and his troop wanted to get 2-0ed by INnoVation. But ye, we are wrong. Wasnt the only source of income for foreigners the tournamets dominated by Koreans few years ago? wasnt it the main reason for foreiners that they took SC2 and e-sport as a hobby?? how can u live and provide for yourself (dont mind your familly) if all of the money Koreans grabbed because they had estabished team houses and so on and so forth? On June 25 2017 18:48 ParksonVN wrote:
If those foreigners are good as you say, why the hell Region lock still exists ? Answer me ! For how long there was no Region lock?? Blizzard wants to see competition between everybody not only KR vs KR. For that you gotta pump some money just to make ppl want to play sc2 and become progamers. People complain that GSL is the only source of money for progamers from korea and now foreigners advancing to GSL take that opportunity from real sc2 korean progamers... LOOL just LOL. Couple years ago it was complate opposite but i guess u guys already forgot about it. Wow, for GSL you said about the best players should advance, and for WCS you said Blizzard doesnt want to see all Korean vs Korean. What an argument ! So tell me what the hell you are considering ? Skill level or nationality ? Region lock exists because koreans were winning everything ... yes they were the best and stuff but with time its get boring.. or it only interests group of ppl from that region/country. Blizzard wanted to change things a bit.. Anyhow, why do you even complain???? if Koreans are the best of the best.. then why they are loosing to foreigners.. We complain because the lower-tier koreans (who aren't the best of the best) get prevented from receiving their paychecks killing any hope of new young players breaking into the scene just so that foreigners (who already get enough money through WCS) have a nice experience. Welcome to the foreigners land couple years ago... I didn't like it back then either Its not perfect but for now is enuf to lower the gap between Koreans and foreigners. I guess ppl from previous era should brace themself for even more tournaments where Koreans loose to foreigners. I bet soon the gap will be so small that blizzard removes the region lock.
By the time Blizzard considers lifting the region lock there'll be hardly enough Korean players left to fill a Code S.
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On June 25 2017 20:33 Arghmyliver wrote:
Is this the most foreigners in a GSL Code S ever? I know some of the early ones had quite a few (HuK, IdrA, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, etc) Anyhow, great job guys!
As for the complaints about the "low-tier" Koreans being cheated out of their "paychecks" - while I sympathize, it is a competition. If you want to be guaranteed money from a competition you have to be good enough to qualify, no? You can't just show up and get paid, that's not how a competitive scene works. Like Nadal or Federer can't go to the French Open and complain about missing a paycheck when someone knocks them out in the early rounds. I don't really get it but whatever, happy to see so many good players (new and old) in Code S, looking forward to the season ^_^. GGs all!
Dont you see the problem ? GSL is free for all to come, yes. So is WCS, let the Korean participate because they should be allowed to. What is the point of banning Korean when the gap is close enough flr foreigners to compete ?
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This is the biggest joke in Starcraft 2 History. Impossible to take that serious
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sick performance from the non koreans
also zest :/
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SC2 is a not thing in Korea anymore.The absolutely top players are still destroying foreigners,but the rest of the playerbase has no reason to practice without a reasonable proleague. GSL average level will be lower with every season,but the top dogs are gonna dominate and take all the cash anyway .
WCS can't be open because orherwise players like Maru,Inno,Stats and so on would take all the money and the best foreigners wouldn't have enough money to survive .
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On June 25 2017 22:20 DieuCure wrote:
Wow you're so perceptive
Actually most people don't understand that region lock is the reason why most foreigner pros pay their bills. And of course Blizz cares more about foreigners,they are the ones who make the game alive
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Code S used to mean something. With NoRegret getting in, Code S is definitely not as prestigious anymore. Korean scene is definitely in a bit of shambles.
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On June 25 2017 22:40 raff100 wrote:Actually most people don't understand that region lock is the reason why most foreigner pros pay their bills. And of course Blizz cares more about foreigners,they are the ones who make the game alive
Which must clearly be why the viewership numbers have been in the toilet since the Region lock started.
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The wave of retirements among former quality players after IEM qualifiers could be super, super depressing.
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On June 25 2017 22:53 Boggyb wrote:
The wave of retirements among former quality players after IEM qualifiers could be super, super depressing.
Ye, 6 month break is an awful idea, imagine if JinAir/Spotv games given up sc2 : no SSL, so blizzard idea was no event from june to january for ro32/64
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Regarding the paychecks: I have always thought it strange and bad that the winner gets much more money than the second place finisher. One player won 6 matches and earn this much, another player won 7 matches and gets twice as much. The difference is too big. I would like for the money to be distributed more evenly. Give some more to the Ro32 and less to the top 4!
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Sad that Blizzard dont really care about sc2 anymore :
HGC=100K/team whatever happens
When HoTS was way more "dead" than SC2.
Use warchest money for something like that would be much more relevant
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On June 25 2017 22:51 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 22:40 raff100 wrote:On June 25 2017 22:20 DieuCure wrote:
Wow you're so perceptive Actually most people don't understand that region lock is the reason why most foreigner pros pay their bills. And of course Blizz cares more about foreigners,they are the ones who make the game alive Which must clearly be why the viewership numbers have been in the toilet since the Region lock started.
Do you have any data about what you are saying?
However Blizz probably has some sort of manager who studies these trends and does his best for the future of the game ...at least this is what I hope.
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If we see a huge wave of retirements over the next few months in Korea, a legitimate argument could be made that GSL should drop from 32 players to 16.
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On June 25 2017 23:28 Boggyb wrote:
If we see a huge wave of retirements over the next few months in Korea, a legitimate argument could be made that GSL should drop from 32 players to 16.
RO16 is so stacked, so ro16 qualifiercould eliminate many good players if the format is so fickle, which is bad
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On June 25 2017 22:51 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 22:40 raff100 wrote:On June 25 2017 22:20 DieuCure wrote:
Wow you're so perceptive Actually most people don't understand that region lock is the reason why most foreigner pros pay their bills. And of course Blizz cares more about foreigners,they are the ones who make the game alive Which must clearly be why the viewership numbers have been in the toilet since the Region lock started.
Age of the game has much more effect on the viewership numbers than region lock ever could.
And it seems so damn ungrateful to complain and whine about prize money amounts when they aren't even obligated to support SC2 in the first place. A long time ago Blizzard didn't even have anything to do with the esports scene monetarily and it was all on the individual tournaments like Dreamhack and IEM to put forth all the effort on that side. That Blizzard's putting anything in is probably the only reason we still have tournaments.
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It's kind of hilarious that just a day before the CIS caster mentioned that NoRegret probably won't even try to qualify, only for him to qualify from what arguably is one of the harder groups.
OTOH the fact that Neeb failed to qualify to Ro32 due to his PvP is... hilarious as well?
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On June 25 2017 20:34 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 20:33 Arghmyliver wrote:
Is this the most foreigners in a GSL Code S ever? I know some of the early ones had quite a few (HuK, IdrA, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, etc) Anyhow, great job guys!
As for the complaints about the "low-tier" Koreans being cheated out of their "paychecks" - while I sympathize, it is a competition. If you want to be guaranteed money from a competition you have to be good enough to qualify, no? You can't just show up and get paid, that's not how a competitive scene works. Like Nadal or Federer can't go to the French Open and complain about missing a paycheck when someone knocks them out in the early rounds. I don't really get it but whatever, happy to see so many good players (new and old) in Code S, looking forward to the season ^_^. GGs all! All you said is true, but it's unfair when Dreamhacks are region locked and GSLs are not. If GSL is a competetion and nobody should be upset about stronger foreigners taking the spots of weaker Koreans, than it should be okay for Koreans to take the spots of weaker foreigners in the WCS circuit. Either open up everything to everybody (much prefered solution) or protect both regions with region lock.
But the other way around would be unfair too. The reason so few foreigners are participating in the GSL is because it requires a commitment of time, money, and effort, whereas if you removed the region lock, it would require very little effort for a top Korean to participate in a few weekend tournaments. Additionally, the loser of all this, the low-tier Korean gets nothing from removing the region lock--all it means is that the scene becomes even more top heavy.
Trying to make the system 'fair' is meaningless. There's too many variables, too many different conditions. Trying to make the system 'better', i.e more likely to increase the health and longevity of the scene with considerations for the players and the viewers, is worth discussing, but first you have to toss out the ephemeral goal of achieving 'fairness'.
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To say something nice about the qualifiers...
Enjoy your NesTea award Rogue!
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On June 26 2017 00:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 20:34 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 20:33 Arghmyliver wrote:
Is this the most foreigners in a GSL Code S ever? I know some of the early ones had quite a few (HuK, IdrA, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, etc) Anyhow, great job guys!
As for the complaints about the "low-tier" Koreans being cheated out of their "paychecks" - while I sympathize, it is a competition. If you want to be guaranteed money from a competition you have to be good enough to qualify, no? You can't just show up and get paid, that's not how a competitive scene works. Like Nadal or Federer can't go to the French Open and complain about missing a paycheck when someone knocks them out in the early rounds. I don't really get it but whatever, happy to see so many good players (new and old) in Code S, looking forward to the season ^_^. GGs all! All you said is true, but it's unfair when Dreamhacks are region locked and GSLs are not. If GSL is a competetion and nobody should be upset about stronger foreigners taking the spots of weaker Koreans, than it should be okay for Koreans to take the spots of weaker foreigners in the WCS circuit. Either open up everything to everybody (much prefered solution) or protect both regions with region lock. But the other way around would be unfair too. The reason so few foreigners are participating in the GSL is because it requires a commitment of time, money, and effort, whereas if you removed the region lock, it would require very little effort for a top Korean to participate in a few weekend tournaments. Additionally, the loser of all this, the low-tier Korean gets nothing from removing the region lock--all it means is that the scene becomes even more top heavy.
And the problem with having no region lock was that it was never the lower level Koreans winning the tournament (except maybe Impact). It was the top level Koreans stomping all the foreigners and taking top prize. So having no region lock would only serve to help the top Koreans. Cause as we see here, the foreigners are more than enough to beat lower level Koreans (and this is without including Showtime or Nerchio or Serral).
And while the GSL may not be "technically" region locked, you generally have to live in Korea to compete in that season of the GSL, which functionally makes it region locked.
If the Koreans want to live in the respective WCS region for the duration needed for WCS, then I have no problem with them competing in WCS (I realize the process is harder with the visa requirement)
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On June 25 2017 23:27 raff100 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 22:51 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 25 2017 22:40 raff100 wrote:On June 25 2017 22:20 DieuCure wrote:
Wow you're so perceptive Actually most people don't understand that region lock is the reason why most foreigner pros pay their bills. And of course Blizz cares more about foreigners,they are the ones who make the game alive Which must clearly be why the viewership numbers have been in the toilet since the Region lock started. Do you have any data about what you are saying? However Blizz probably has some sort of manager who studies these trends and does his best for the future of the game ...at least this is what I hope.
I don't think the region-lock is the reason why viewer numbers are in the toilet. But it's just as stupid to say that foreigners make the game alive, there's absolutely zero evidence for that. Viewership-numbers don't support that claim at all.
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On June 26 2017 01:04 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 00:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 25 2017 20:34 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 20:33 Arghmyliver wrote:
Is this the most foreigners in a GSL Code S ever? I know some of the early ones had quite a few (HuK, IdrA, TLO, Jinro, Haypro, etc) Anyhow, great job guys!
As for the complaints about the "low-tier" Koreans being cheated out of their "paychecks" - while I sympathize, it is a competition. If you want to be guaranteed money from a competition you have to be good enough to qualify, no? You can't just show up and get paid, that's not how a competitive scene works. Like Nadal or Federer can't go to the French Open and complain about missing a paycheck when someone knocks them out in the early rounds. I don't really get it but whatever, happy to see so many good players (new and old) in Code S, looking forward to the season ^_^. GGs all! All you said is true, but it's unfair when Dreamhacks are region locked and GSLs are not. If GSL is a competetion and nobody should be upset about stronger foreigners taking the spots of weaker Koreans, than it should be okay for Koreans to take the spots of weaker foreigners in the WCS circuit. Either open up everything to everybody (much prefered solution) or protect both regions with region lock. But the other way around would be unfair too. The reason so few foreigners are participating in the GSL is because it requires a commitment of time, money, and effort, whereas if you removed the region lock, it would require very little effort for a top Korean to participate in a few weekend tournaments. Additionally, the loser of all this, the low-tier Korean gets nothing from removing the region lock--all it means is that the scene becomes even more top heavy. And the problem with having no region lock was that it was never the lower level Koreans winning the tournament (except maybe Impact). It was the top level Koreans stomping all the foreigners and taking top prize. So having no region lock would only serve to help the top Koreans. Cause as we see here, the foreigners are more than enough to beat lower level Koreans (and this is without including Showtime or Nerchio or Serral).
jjakji, San, Stardust, Golden, Pigbaby, Patience, TLHerO could all be defined as lower-level koreans.
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On June 26 2017 01:13 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 23:27 raff100 wrote:On June 25 2017 22:51 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 25 2017 22:40 raff100 wrote:On June 25 2017 22:20 DieuCure wrote:
Wow you're so perceptive Actually most people don't understand that region lock is the reason why most foreigner pros pay their bills. And of course Blizz cares more about foreigners,they are the ones who make the game alive Which must clearly be why the viewership numbers have been in the toilet since the Region lock started. Do you have any data about what you are saying? However Blizz probably has some sort of manager who studies these trends and does his best for the future of the game ...at least this is what I hope. I don't think the region-lock is the reason why viewer numbers are in the toilet. But it's just as stupid to say that foreigners make the game alive, there's absolutely zero evidence for that. Viewership-numbers don't support that claim at all.
Foreigners make the game alive cause Korean drop it years ago
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Really sucks that Byul didn't get in due to being in a group with Forte and Dear. And Trust missed out by losing to
Dark twice.
Meanwhile Time and Scarlett get a group with a failed overwatch player and a Zest who probably doesn't know what race he plays anymore.
On June 25 2017 19:22 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 19:20 GUrbak wrote:
how could have impact lost twice to noregret? maybe he don't deserve to be in code s I think the more apt question is "How could Impact lose twice to NoRegreT yet 2-0 Drogo?"
Because NoRegreT is a cheeselord and Impact didn't know beforehand (I assume). Whatever group he's in he will 0-4 without much doubt
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Thing is.. compare how many people showed upto the Open bracket at DH Austin, then Jonköping and how many tried to qualify for GSL.
Foreigners are so needed.
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On June 26 2017 02:05 lechatnoir wrote:
Thing is.. compare how many people showed upto the Open bracket at DH Austin, then Jonköping and how many tried to qualify for GSL.
Foreigners are so needed.
I mean, technically Jonkoping is one of the first times on my memory when most of open bracket groups were not populated. I was in stasis since 2015, of course, but nonetheless.
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Lol. Foreign players can now live in korea and get money from GSL, then fly over to dreamhack for a week and get a quick paycheck. Feel bad for the mid tier koreans, who are basically in the same skill range as top foreigners but get less than half the opportunities
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So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all, but 5 foreigners in GSL have killed the entire Korean scene. Makes sense.
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On June 26 2017 04:29 Solar424 wrote:
So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all
I wonder how you came to that conclusion. I don't think anyone said it in this thread, and even then, they're certainly not the majority.
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I love how many people are bitching that Zest/ByuL didn't qualify yet Elazer/Scarlett/MajOr did when they are better players. Also when Scarlett/MajOr/NoRegreT/PtitDrogo/Kelazhur/SortOf played in the GSL qualifiers last season no 1 bitched but now that they actually qualified its a problem seems legit LOL.
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On June 26 2017 04:34 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 04:29 Solar424 wrote:
So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all I wonder how you came to that conclusion. I don't think anyone said it in this thread, and even then, they're certainly not the majority.
The main argument in favor of Koreans playing in WCS was that they were better than the foreigners, but now that Koreans are losing in the GSL qualifiers suddenly we need a region lock.
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On June 26 2017 05:05 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 04:34 Durnuu wrote:On June 26 2017 04:29 Solar424 wrote:
So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all I wonder how you came to that conclusion. I don't think anyone said it in this thread, and even then, they're certainly not the majority. The main argument in favor of Koreans playing in WCS was that they were better than the foreigners, but now that Koreans are losing in the GSL qualifiers suddenly we need a region lock.
the top tier koreans are better than foreigners, the low-tier koreans are worse than the top foreigners.
Top tier koreans playing in WCS NA and EU and taking all the spots hurt the local scene.
Top tier foreigners playing in GSL and taking the spots of the low-tier koreans hurt the local scene.
If you don't understand that then I can't help you.
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On June 26 2017 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 05:05 Solar424 wrote:On June 26 2017 04:34 Durnuu wrote:On June 26 2017 04:29 Solar424 wrote:
So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all I wonder how you came to that conclusion. I don't think anyone said it in this thread, and even then, they're certainly not the majority. The main argument in favor of Koreans playing in WCS was that they were better than the foreigners, but now that Koreans are losing in the GSL qualifiers suddenly we need a region lock. the top tier koreans are better than foreigners, the low-tier koreans are worse than the top foreigners. Top tier koreans playing in WCS NA and EU and taking all the spots hurt the local scene. Top tier foreigners playing in GSL and taking the spots of the low-tier koreans hurt the local scene. If you don't understand that then I can't help you.
First, Noregret isn't a top tier foreigner. If Impact can't beat him he probably doesn't deserve to be in Code S.
The Koreans playing in WCS had basically no restrictions, but the foreigners playing in GSL have to move to Korea.
There is also a lot more at play than foreigners playing in GSL, like the death of Proleague, that killed the Korean scene. It's more likely that the death of the Korean scene lead to foreigners qualifying, not the other way around.
There was no concern for the NA scene when the Koreans took all of the Ro16 spots, but 5 Ro32 spots being taken away lead to calls to region lock everything. I guess horseshoe theory applies to SC2 as well.
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the top tier koreans are better than foreigners, the low-tier koreans are worse than the top foreigners.
Top tier koreans playing in WCS NA and EU and taking all the spots hurt the local scene.
Top tier foreigners playing in GSL and taking the spots of the low-tier koreans hurt the local scene.
If you don't understand that then I can't help you.
5 foreigners, who are unlikely to win the event will not hurt the Korean scene. In fact it is likely to increase interest in the event and help the scene. You should also notice Koreans have more events as it is. Apart from the GSL they have another wcs league with 3 seasons. They had an IEM in Korea and the IEM in Shanghai is also likely to be an internal Korean affair due to the way qualifiers are organized. For years Koreans have pocketed huge paychecks from teams (foreign players earned 10x less) and won most of the prize money + had a whole infrastructure organized to improve gameplay. Now with this partial region lock for the last 18 months (where we still had 4-5 koreans competing in WCS last season) the foreigners have earned some money, they are more motivated and can for the first time try to compete against Koreans playing full time, even though 18 months is not enough to catch up 6 years of what could be considered unfair competition.
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5 foreigners, who are unlikely to win the event will not hurt the Korean scene.
Yet it is a fact. Problem is not about Gumiho facing noregret, but the lack of new players because they take their spot, back in the days it wasnt a problem because Kespa teams paid them, but now to be full time they have to go ro32 severals times, and with top4 foreigners who steal their spots for their pleasure because "wow it's so cool i'm in GSL", they cant.
So the scene isnt renewed.
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On June 26 2017 05:30 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:On June 26 2017 05:05 Solar424 wrote:On June 26 2017 04:34 Durnuu wrote:On June 26 2017 04:29 Solar424 wrote:
So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all I wonder how you came to that conclusion. I don't think anyone said it in this thread, and even then, they're certainly not the majority. The main argument in favor of Koreans playing in WCS was that they were better than the foreigners, but now that Koreans are losing in the GSL qualifiers suddenly we need a region lock. the top tier koreans are better than foreigners, the low-tier koreans are worse than the top foreigners. Top tier koreans playing in WCS NA and EU and taking all the spots hurt the local scene. Top tier foreigners playing in GSL and taking the spots of the low-tier koreans hurt the local scene. If you don't understand that then I can't help you. First, Noregret isn't a top tier foreigner. If Impact can't beat him he probably doesn't deserve to be in Code S.
So you also think that foreigners who weren't able to beat jjakji, San, Stardust, Golden etc didn't deserve to play in their respective leagues?
On June 26 2017 05:34 Kafka777 wrote:Show nested quote +
the top tier koreans are better than foreigners, the low-tier koreans are worse than the top foreigners.
Top tier koreans playing in WCS NA and EU and taking all the spots hurt the local scene.
Top tier foreigners playing in GSL and taking the spots of the low-tier koreans hurt the local scene.
If you don't understand that then I can't help you.
5 foreigners, who are unlikely to win the event will not hurt the Korean scene.
5 struggling koreans who don't earn much money getting no GSL money this season doesn't hurt the korean scene?
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On June 26 2017 05:47 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 05:30 Solar424 wrote:On June 26 2017 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:On June 26 2017 05:05 Solar424 wrote:On June 26 2017 04:34 Durnuu wrote:On June 26 2017 04:29 Solar424 wrote:
So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all I wonder how you came to that conclusion. I don't think anyone said it in this thread, and even then, they're certainly not the majority. The main argument in favor of Koreans playing in WCS was that they were better than the foreigners, but now that Koreans are losing in the GSL qualifiers suddenly we need a region lock. the top tier koreans are better than foreigners, the low-tier koreans are worse than the top foreigners. Top tier koreans playing in WCS NA and EU and taking all the spots hurt the local scene. Top tier foreigners playing in GSL and taking the spots of the low-tier koreans hurt the local scene. If you don't understand that then I can't help you. First, Noregret isn't a top tier foreigner. If Impact can't beat him he probably doesn't deserve to be in Code S. So you also think that foreigners who weren't able to beat jjakji, San, Stardust etc didn't deserve to play in their respective leagues?
Don't forget Arthur/TheStC/Washed-Up NesTea/Hack/Apocalypse/Sage/HwangSin.
Also their was a point in time in WCS NA where we had ByuL/TaeJa/Polt/Jaedong/HyuN/aLive/Bomber/Heart/HerO/Oz/Revival and this was the year these players were actually good -__-
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5 struggling koreans who don't earn much money getting no GSL money this season doesn't hurt the korean scene?
No, it will have a small impact on 5 Korean players, but may increase viewership and attract sponsors. If all top WCS players came to qualify for GSL, well ... I dont know (by the way, I would love to see that, it would be insane). However the whole purpose of the region lock is to balance out the differences and eventually remove such region locks, if the game survives beyond 2018 in terms of WCS.
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Strange to see Zest and Byul not make it. Also Cure sure has fallen from grace.
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Happy sOs qualified. And congratzs to noregret too. Cheese is the only valid strat in sc2
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On June 26 2017 05:40 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +5 foreigners, who are unlikely to win the event will not hurt the Korean scene. Yet it is a fact. Problem is not about Gumiho facing noregret, but the lack of new players because they take their spot, back in the days it wasnt a problem because Kespa teams paid them, but now to be full time they have to go ro32 severals times, and with top4 foreigners who steal their spots for their pleasure because "wow it's so cool i'm in GSL", they cant. So the scene isnt renewed.
But most of the new players lost to Koreans and not foreigners. Elazer beating that amateur protoss is one of the only ones. If Impact/Zest are slumping and can't qualify that's not anyone's problem but their own. NoRegret didn't "take a spot of an amateur", he beat Impact, a well established Korean pro who was worse than him on the day. Impact himself beat one of the only amateurs there
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On June 26 2017 04:29 Solar424 wrote:
So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all, but 5 foreigners in GSL have killed the entire Korean scene. Makes sense.
Exactly. The whiners' defense have no logic and they still have the "foreigners are bad!!" mentality. It's the Global Starcraft League, not Korean Starcraft Leauge.
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In the end it all comes down to the fact that in 2013 we had enough decent level Koreans that would beat almost every foreigner in Bo7 to populate Code S, Code A and playoffs of EU/NA premier leagues + a bunch of B-teamers that would fail to qualify but were good regardless.
Now we barely have enough high level active Koreans to populate a Code S.
That's actually a scary decline over 4 years if you ask me.
On June 26 2017 07:29 ilikeredheads wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 04:29 Solar424 wrote:
So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all, but 5 foreigners in GSL have killed the entire Korean scene. Makes sense. Exactly. The whiners' defense have no logic and they still have the "foreigners are bad!!" mentality. It's the Global Starcraft League, not Korean Starcraft Leauge.
It's World Championship Series, not Foreigner Championship Series, too.
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All these whines appear from persons "who watch only GSL" they are elite and more clever. Now wake up, WCS has come to Korea, tables have turned. Now deal with it.
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On June 26 2017 08:23 Kafka777 wrote:
All these whines appear from persons "who watch only GSL" they are elite and more clever. Now wake up, WCS has come to Korea, tables have turned. Now deal with it.
From my perspective it looks like Korea has fell down close to WCS level.
Hell, from such perspective, even 2011/2012 Terran resurgence does not look weird in the slightest.
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Guys GSL means "Global Starcraft League", it is open for everyone since the beginning and favors koreans since the beginning, because you need to live in korea to compete properly. Same thing with SSL.
there are 3x GSL and 2xSSL this year with 489740$ price pool,
Do you know how many of such semi regionlocked events held in Germany or France or USA this year? exactly 0.
Players from this regions need to compete with the hole world(except korea) in 4 WCS events with a price pool of 400000$
THAT´s not fair so don´t argue with the poor korean scene.
And for those who say "Blizzard killed SC2 esport", Without Blizz it would be 20.000$ global prize money instead of 2.000.000$.
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From my perspective it looks like Korea has fell down close to WCS level.
In terms of skill, Sc is in the highest level ever. For obvious reasons. Foreign scene has improved.
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On June 26 2017 05:47 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 05:30 Solar424 wrote:On June 26 2017 05:14 Charoisaur wrote:On June 26 2017 05:05 Solar424 wrote:On June 26 2017 04:34 Durnuu wrote:On June 26 2017 04:29 Solar424 wrote:
So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all I wonder how you came to that conclusion. I don't think anyone said it in this thread, and even then, they're certainly not the majority. The main argument in favor of Koreans playing in WCS was that they were better than the foreigners, but now that Koreans are losing in the GSL qualifiers suddenly we need a region lock. the top tier koreans are better than foreigners, the low-tier koreans are worse than the top foreigners. Top tier koreans playing in WCS NA and EU and taking all the spots hurt the local scene. Top tier foreigners playing in GSL and taking the spots of the low-tier koreans hurt the local scene. If you don't understand that then I can't help you. First, Noregret isn't a top tier foreigner. If Impact can't beat him he probably doesn't deserve to be in Code S. So you also think that foreigners who weren't able to beat jjakji, San, Stardust, Golden etc didn't deserve to play in their respective leagues?
The problem is that at the time when jjakji, San, Stardust, and Golden played, they were still fairly good. San and Stardust in particular were beating the top level Koreans of that time in order to place very highly in many tournaments.
There were a lot of Koreans playing in WCS EU and NA such that a lot of spots would be taken from foreigners (NA) specifically, and it caused few foreigners to do well in the ro8 or later. And it is true that a number of these Koreans were the "lower level" Koreans, but they were generally good enough to compete at a decent level against other Korean Koreans.
So they were not good enough to win at the highest level, but they were good enough to compete.
But right now, there are very few of the "low level" Koreans that would do all that well in the WCS competitions. Most Koreans who didn't qualify and a number of ro32 Koreans would not do all that well in in the WCS tournaments, and it would only be upper level Koreans who would win.
So the situations are very different. If Neeb and Showtime and Nerchio were able to play online and come for a couple days and win everything in Korea, then we would have a problem.
Like, for instance, Polt, TRUE, violet, Hydra were fine because they actually lived in NA and competed here so that they could compete in WCS,
And similarly, those in Korea are actually living in Korea in order to compete there.
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On June 26 2017 04:41 SNSeigifried wrote:
I love how many people are bitching that Zest/ByuL didn't qualify yet Elazer/Scarlett/MajOr did when they are better players. Also when Scarlett/MajOr/NoRegreT/PtitDrogo/Kelazhur/SortOf played in the GSL qualifiers last season no 1 bitched but now that they actually qualified its a problem seems legit LOL.
Lol are you sure these players are better than ByuL ? Think twice
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The top-tier Koreans are still ahead of even the best foreigners by a considerable margin. But Korea really doesn't have anything else. Proleague dying and the team houses closing basically crippled all the mid-tier Koreans, and new blood is totally nonexistent. This problem is only worsened further by Blizzard's region-locking, through which top foreigners can manipulate the system to crowd out mid-level Koreans and get dual benefits with none of the drawbacks.
Korea still has the best, but the foreign world has all the rest. Once the current top-tiers retire/join the army (a few more years at most), SC2 will be officially dead in Korea.
Good thing they have SC Remastered I guess.
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BTW all Koreans give up to participate in Asian Indoor and Martial Arts Games, right?
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On June 26 2017 08:40 Kafka777 wrote:In terms of skill, Sc is in the highest level ever. For obvious reasons. Foreign scene has improved.
The Foreign Scene hasn't improved since 2011.
It just looks better because Blizzard and the people who supported the region lock succeeded in killing the Korean scene.
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On June 26 2017 08:26 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 08:23 Kafka777 wrote:
All these whines appear from persons "who watch only GSL" they are elite and more clever. Now wake up, WCS has come to Korea, tables have turned. Now deal with it. From my perspective it looks like Korea has fell down close to WCS level. Hell, from such perspective, even 2011/2012 Terran resurgence does not look weird in the slightest.
Ye we saw it at wesg and Katowice, 2-0 3-0 = close
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On June 26 2017 12:51 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 08:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 26 2017 08:23 Kafka777 wrote:
All these whines appear from persons "who watch only GSL" they are elite and more clever. Now wake up, WCS has come to Korea, tables have turned. Now deal with it. From my perspective it looks like Korea has fell down close to WCS level. Hell, from such perspective, even 2011/2012 Terran resurgence does not look weird in the slightest. Ye we saw it at wesg and Katowice, 2-0 3-0 = close
Fairly certain that my definition of "close" was clear in context.
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On June 26 2017 10:59 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW all Koreans give up to participate in Asian Indoor and Martial Arts Games, right?
KeSPA announced they were boycotting since they weren't organising the qualifiers but who knows what that means since they're not directly involved with SC2 anymore
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On June 26 2017 16:28 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 10:59 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW all Koreans give up to participate in Asian Indoor and Martial Arts Games, right? KeSPA announced they were boycotting since they weren't organising the qualifiers but who knows what that means since they're not directly involved with SC2 anymore
I thought at least Jin Air is still under control.
We will see what is going on when East Asia qualifier occurs (although the exact date is unknown).
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On June 26 2017 05:30 Solar424 wrote:
The Koreans playing in WCS had basically no restrictions
That was in 2013, in 2014 there was aready a residency restriction (basically the same as for GSL). But that doesn't matter anymore anyway, since all WCS tournaments now are weekend only tornaments, not months-long championships like the 2013-2015 WCS.
On June 26 2017 07:29 ilikeredheads wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 04:29 Solar424 wrote:
So according to this thread 16+ Koreans in WCS NA didn't hurt the scene at all, but 5 foreigners in GSL have killed the entire Korean scene. Makes sense. Exactly. The whiners' defense have no logic and they still have the "foreigners are bad!!" mentality. It's the Global Starcraft League, not Korean Starcraft Leauge.
Well one could say, it is the WORLD Championship Series, not the Foreigner Championship Series ;P
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It was really cool to see Nightmare's performance in the first season of GSL.
There are a lot more promising newcomers in the korean scene like HHs or Prince but they have no way to make money of the game because foreigners are taking up all the Code S spots. It's such a shame.
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On June 26 2017 16:28 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 10:59 Alarak89 wrote:
BTW all Koreans give up to participate in Asian Indoor and Martial Arts Games, right? KeSPA announced they were boycotting since they weren't organising the qualifiers but who knows what that means since they're not directly involved with SC2 anymore
That's a shame really
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On June 26 2017 17:32 Charoisaur wrote:
It was really cool to see Nightmare's performance in the first season of GSL.
There are a lot more promising newcomers in the korean scene like HHs or Prince but they have no way to make money of the game because foreigners are taking up all the Code S spots. It's such a shame.
so nobody`s wonder when the same things goes over the years of the NA and EU scene when bunch of foreign players stuck with the whole bracket full of korean players but when players like NoRegret taking spot of the GSL cause korean semi-pro isn`t good enough to beat him and everybody goes crazy...
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On June 26 2017 21:04 Mike L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 17:32 Charoisaur wrote:
It was really cool to see Nightmare's performance in the first season of GSL.
There are a lot more promising newcomers in the korean scene like HHs or Prince but they have no way to make money of the game because foreigners are taking up all the Code S spots. It's such a shame. so nobody`s wonder when the same things goes over the years of the NA and EU scene when bunch of foreign players stuck with the whole bracket full of korean players but when players like NoRegret taking spot of the GSL cause korean semi-pro isn`t good enough to beat him and everybody goes crazy...
Because the game isnt as healthy as before.
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On June 26 2017 21:35 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 21:04 Mike L wrote:On June 26 2017 17:32 Charoisaur wrote:
It was really cool to see Nightmare's performance in the first season of GSL.
There are a lot more promising newcomers in the korean scene like HHs or Prince but they have no way to make money of the game because foreigners are taking up all the Code S spots. It's such a shame. so nobody`s wonder when the same things goes over the years of the NA and EU scene when bunch of foreign players stuck with the whole bracket full of korean players but when players like NoRegret taking spot of the GSL cause korean semi-pro isn`t good enough to beat him and everybody goes crazy... Because the game isnt as healthy as before.
no. both situation is very similar but people stuck with the stereotypes that korean players MUST be better than most foreign players and when situation changes then they`re start finding a reason to blame
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Koreans are better than foreigners, the best foreigner since stephano isnt even code s.
We blame the fact that KR scene is bleeding, only new blood ( like Nightmare ) can fix the thing, but foreigners grab their spots.
It's not really the same situation, because of them we are stuck with this top 16 ( yes because seems like foreigners dont know how to improve so they are nowhere near of the top 16 ( Except in ZvZ maybe ) ) until the end of time.
And it's not because foreigners situation was bad back in the days that new kr players have to undergo the same punishment.
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On June 26 2017 22:57 DieuCure wrote:
It's not really the same situation, because of them we are stuck with this top 16 ( yes because seems like foreigners dont know how to improve so they are nowhere near of the top 16 ( Except in ZvZ maybe ) ) until the end of time.
you say foreigners will stuck forever in the Ro.32 because they can not improve? Are you trolling? What is your evidence?
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Scarlett is in korea since one year or more and she cant even beat Elazer who was a student 1.5 month ago.
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On June 26 2017 23:56 DieuCure wrote:
Scarlett is in korea since one year or more and she cant even beat Elazer who was a student 1.5 month ago.
are Elazer is amateur or something? he is also the professional SC player who also went to Korea for improving skills and tried to do best amongst the best SC players in the world. if she couldn`t beat him in one best-of-five series it doesn`t mean she couldn`t beat him in another
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On June 26 2017 17:32 Charoisaur wrote:
It was really cool to see Nightmare's performance in the first season of GSL.
There are a lot more promising newcomers in the korean scene like HHs or Prince but they have no way to make money of the game because foreigners are taking up all the Code S spots. It's such a shame.
You're complaining about a problem that MIGHT exist but in reality doesn't. Of the 8 amateurs that were present (Junseob, Junbo, TREVI, Eagle, Nightmare, Rookie, Prince, HHs) TREVI, Prince, and Rookie were the only ones that lost to foreigners. Prince being the only one who actually stood a chance of qualifying as he was able to win at least 2 rounds.
TREVI couldn't beat Jim, he isn't beating Byul, Forte or Dear. Rookie lost to TIME, he wasn't beating Zest. Its not the fault of foreigners that amateurs didn't make it, its the lack of amateurs fault for amateurs not being present. There were 51 Koreans there competing for 28 spots, and 8 of those players were amateurs.
This also assumes that all 8 players are actually aspiring pros and not just random players good at starcraft who want to dick around in qualifiers because they live there and its free
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Comparing foreigners in GSL with Koreans in the foreignland is simply absurd. I am not a fan of the region lock at all, but even I can see how the situation of the foreign players was desperate back then when both the WCS long-time leagues and all big weekend tournaments were completely dominated by Koreans to the point that almost no foreigners reached even Ro8s of those. This has lead to the region lock, which I think was implemented really poorly (by being based on residency and visas, which are stupid bearoucratic concepts), but which turned out to be at least quite efficient in keeping the foreign scene alive. The current state in Korea is nowhere like it - you are all free to start bitching when the foreigners start winning the GSL left and right (and that would be probably also the time to remove the region lock from the WCS, unless Blizzard is really stupid), but that is just not happening.
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On June 27 2017 01:42 opisska wrote:
Comparing foreigners in GSL with Koreans in the foreignland is simply absurd. I am not a fan of the region lock at all, but even I can see how the situation of the foreign players was desperate back then when both the WCS long-time leagues and all big weekend tournaments were completely dominated by Koreans to the point that almost no foreigners reached even Ro8s of those. This has lead to the region lock, which I think was implemented really poorly (by being based on residency and visas, which are stupid bearoucratic concepts), but which turned out to be at least quite efficient in keeping the foreign scene alive. The current state in Korea is nowhere like it - you are all free to start bitching when the foreigners start winning the GSL left and right (and that would be probably also the time to remove the region lock from the WCS, unless Blizzard is really stupid), but that is just not happening.
Maybe it's not the exact same situation but the damage it does to the scene is very very similar.
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On June 27 2017 03:42 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2017 01:42 opisska wrote:
Comparing foreigners in GSL with Koreans in the foreignland is simply absurd. I am not a fan of the region lock at all, but even I can see how the situation of the foreign players was desperate back then when both the WCS long-time leagues and all big weekend tournaments were completely dominated by Koreans to the point that almost no foreigners reached even Ro8s of those. This has lead to the region lock, which I think was implemented really poorly (by being based on residency and visas, which are stupid bearoucratic concepts), but which turned out to be at least quite efficient in keeping the foreign scene alive. The current state in Korea is nowhere like it - you are all free to start bitching when the foreigners start winning the GSL left and right (and that would be probably also the time to remove the region lock from the WCS, unless Blizzard is really stupid), but that is just not happening.
Maybe it's not the exact same situation but the damage it does to the scene is very very similar.
No it's not. At least not outside of this delusional circlejerk you have just created in this thread. The difference between the local scene practically not existing because noone was able to get hold of any achievement for two years and just a couple of people being sprinkled in is literally day and night.
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