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On June 25 2017 17:49 AshC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. It is not just about foreigners took out Koreans in GSL but the fact NoRegret out of all people qualify for GSL. I certainly don't mind seeing Drogo, Elazer, Major and others to be in GSL. At least, they will show some good games. Not proxy hatches, lings plush and stupid cheeses every single game.
well we have and had tons of korean cheesers in Code S every season tbh
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On June 25 2017 17:50 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:50 Durnuu wrote:On June 25 2017 17:48 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 17:47 Inflicted wrote: Ryung 2-1  sOs Wat I mean, it's sOs Ryung against Protoss tho
But sOs
He hasn't shown a good game since HotS
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On June 25 2017 17:50 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:50 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 17:50 Durnuu wrote:On June 25 2017 17:48 Elentos wrote:On June 25 2017 17:47 Inflicted wrote: Ryung 2-1 sOs Wat I mean, it's sOs Ryung against Protoss tho But sOs He hasn't shown a good game since HotS
And two ro4 in a row ...
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On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off.
I don't understand this logic.
When koreans lose to foreigners it's "they could have played better, their fault" but when foreigners lose to koreans it's "koreans preventing the local scene to grow, ban them!"
If you're arguing that the best players should qualify, then that should also apply to WCS.
Right now foreigners are preventing the growth of the korean scene.
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Elentos
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On June 25 2017 17:50 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:49 AshC wrote:On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. It is not just about foreigners took out Koreans in GSL but the fact NoRegret out of all people qualify for GSL. I certainly don't mind seeing Drogo, Elazer, Major and others to be in GSL. At least, they will show some good games. Not proxy hatches, lings plush and stupid cheeses every single game. well we have and had tons of korean cheesers in Code S every season tbh
At least some are entertaining. Noregret is gonna be the worst thing since Myungsik's last Code S performance.
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On June 25 2017 17:51 Inflicted wrote: Elazer > Prince & qualifies
yes, I knew it! :D
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On June 25 2017 17:49 AshC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. It is not just about foreigners took out Koreans in GSL but the fact NoRegret out of all people qualify for GSL. I certainly don't mind seeing Drogo, Elazer, Major and others to be in GSL. At least, they will show some good games. Not proxy hatches, lings plush and stupid cheeses every single game.
That's a dumb way to think. So what if he only cheesed? Cheese is a legit strat. If the opponent can't defend it, then that's on his opponent.
Flash used to be known as a heavy cheeser before he got famous.
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On June 25 2017 17:51 Inflicted wrote: Elazer > Prince & qualifies
That's 5
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On June 25 2017 17:51 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. I don't understand this logic. When koreans lose to foreigners it's "they could have played better, their fault" but when foreigners lose to koreans it's "koreans preventing the local scene to grow, ban them!" If your arguing that the best players should qualify, then that should also apply to WCS.
you are right
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Elentos
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On June 25 2017 17:51 Musicus wrote:yes, I knew it! :D
Wow what a bold call 
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Elentos
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I don't mind having MajOr in Code S. Or Neeb. Or Scarlett. Or Elazer. Or TIME. But all of them at once just tells you all you need to know about the Korean scene.
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It's completely unfair when foreigners are free to come and steal GSL spots from Korean youngblood while Koreans are banned in WCS events. If i was Korean and not being in top 30 players, what the hell would i still be playing for ?
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Wooow, this is awesome, so many foreigners in code S!!!!
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ZigguratOfUr
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On June 25 2017 17:51 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. I don't understand this logic. When koreans lose to foreigners it's "they could have played better, their fault" but when foreigners lose to koreans it's "koreans preventing the local scene to grow, ban them!" If your arguing that the best players should qualify, then that should also apply to WCS.
GSL is the highest level of Starcraft and should be open to everyone, whereas other tournaments such as WCS can focus on goals like fostering local scenes etc. While Korea needs tournaments to foster the lower strata of their competitive scene, GSL isn't it.
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On June 25 2017 17:52 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:51 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:51 Inflicted wrote: Elazer > Prince & qualifies yes, I knew it! :D Wow what a bold call
went all out on this one!
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On June 25 2017 17:54 ParksonVN wrote:
It's completely unfair when foreigners are free to come and steal GSL spots from Korean youngblood while Koreans are banned in WCS events. If i was Korean and not being in top 30 players, what the hell would i still be playing for ?
Olimoleague, SSL, VSL, OnPoong tournaments, Corsair Cups, go4sc2s
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On June 25 2017 17:52 ilikeredheads wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:49 AshC wrote:On June 25 2017 17:45 neutralrobot wrote:On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off. It is not just about foreigners took out Koreans in GSL but the fact NoRegret out of all people qualify for GSL. I certainly don't mind seeing Drogo, Elazer, Major and others to be in GSL. At least, they will show some good games. Not proxy hatches, lings plush and stupid cheeses every single game. That's a dumb way to think. So what if he only cheesed? Cheese is a legit strat. If the opponent can't defend it, then that's on his opponent. Flash used to be known as a heavy cheeser before he got famous.
Well, cheese is one thing but cheese every game is another thing. Also, there are 2 cheeses for NoRegret, proxy hatches and lings all-in (either from 12 pool or 3 bases (20 drones)). May as well pull the workers like NaNiWa did. That may be actually more entertaining.
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