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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
June 25 2017 08:41 GMT
#421
Can't wait to see NoRegret get bopped in the ro32.
why even
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 25 2017 08:41 GMT
#422
On June 25 2017 17:40 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 17:38 pvsnp wrote:
Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted.


And no new talent is flowing in because there's nowhere to do so and literally no chance of any team picking up an unknown Korean talent and paying them sufficient salary these days.

It's funny how people hated stuchiu for his "highest skill era" article, but you're seeing exactly what he talked about in live action right now.

I believe the point of that article was that the top used to be better than it is now which is absolutely not what the poster you're qouting is saying. Nobody argues against low-tier players being worse.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 25 2017 08:41 GMT
#423
On June 25 2017 17:40 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 17:38 pvsnp wrote:
Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted.


And no new talent is flowing in because there's nowhere to do so and literally no chance of any team picking up an unknown Korean talent and paying them sufficient salary these days.

It's funny how people hated stuchiu for his "highest skill era" article, but you're seeing exactly what he talked about in live action right now.


I really think ro8 is better than ever, but ro32 is such a disaster
TL+ Member
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-25 08:42:54
June 25 2017 08:42 GMT
#424
Myungsik tweeted something that is auto translated to:

Skills to get out of the army, Bonnie


I agree, Myungsik.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
June 25 2017 08:43 GMT
#425
There's gonna be 5 or 6 foreigners in Code S

Too many
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 25 2017 08:43 GMT
#426
I hope neeb will lose to save koreans honor
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
June 25 2017 08:43 GMT
#427
On June 25 2017 17:40 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 17:38 pvsnp wrote:
Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted.


And no new talent is flowing in because there's nowhere to do so and literally no chance of any team picking up an unknown Korean talent and paying them sufficient salary these days.

It's funny how people hated stuchiu for his "highest skill era" article, but you're seeing exactly what he talked about in live action right now.

There are two arguments here though

Do we have the highest amount of top skilled players in sc2 right now? No, obviously not, the player pool has deminished a lot. Overall there are a lot less top players now.

Is the best sc2 player now, better than the best sc2 player 3 years ago? Yes, I would say so.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-25 08:44:42
June 25 2017 08:43 GMT
#428
On June 25 2017 17:40 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 17:38 pvsnp wrote:
Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted.


And no new talent is flowing in because there's nowhere to do so and literally no chance of any team picking up an unknown Korean talent and paying them sufficient salary these days.

It's funny how people hated stuchiu for his "highest skill era" article, but you're seeing exactly what he talked about in live action right now.


I thought people hated that article for being pure click-bait and having flawed arguments that conflated skill and talent, and various other things. Those are perfectly reasonable criticism regardless of the validity of the claim.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 25 2017 08:43 GMT
#429
Also I don't understand people complaining about foreigners taking spots from amateurs when HHs and Nightmare were knocked out by known names, and prince still might qualify
Avicularia
Profile Joined February 2012
540 Posts
June 25 2017 08:44 GMT
#430
On June 25 2017 17:40 Ej_ wrote:
Jake is now streaming Neeb's POV vs Hurricane.

Who the hell is Jake?
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
June 25 2017 08:44 GMT
#431
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 25 2017 08:44 GMT
#432
On June 25 2017 17:44 Avicularia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 17:40 Ej_ wrote:
Jake is now streaming Neeb's POV vs Hurricane.

Who the hell is Jake?

The absolute madman, VSL champion slayer, Code S participant, NoRegreT himself
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
June 25 2017 08:44 GMT
#433
On June 25 2017 17:42 Olli wrote:
Myungsik tweeted something that is auto translated to:

Show nested quote +
Skills to get out of the army, Bonnie


I agree, Myungsik.

Probably means something like 'I should go to the army'
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
June 25 2017 08:44 GMT
#434
Man I think Neeb will also do it, 5 foreigners in Code S?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 25 2017 08:44 GMT
#435
On June 25 2017 17:44 Avicularia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 17:40 Ej_ wrote:
Jake is now streaming Neeb's POV vs Hurricane.

Who the hell is Jake?


Code S player NoRegreT
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
June 25 2017 08:45 GMT
#436
On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:
On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked.

It should be region-locked already.
It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not.
sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks.
If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making.

I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit.

But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype.


+1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd


If Zest and Myungsik retire on the back of these losses to Scarlett, it's because their play hasn't been as good, straight-up. Maybe if they had kept the old kespa teams, they'd still be in shape (though I'd give Scarlett a chance if all three players were in their top form -- peak skill Scarlett was phenomenal), but that's not the reality we're living in. We all want to think of Zest as that incredibly "crisp" player who made victory look easy so much of the time, but it's been a while since we've seen that from him. If players like this had made it into the tournament instead of foreigners, and still played like they did, I feel like I'd still be reading complaints on here because of the play level drop-off.
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
June 25 2017 08:45 GMT
#437
On June 25 2017 17:44 Musicus wrote:
Man I think Neeb will also do it, 5 foreigners in Code S?

Elazer is playing Prince. Unless Neeb loses it's gonna be 6.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 25 2017 08:45 GMT
#438
On June 25 2017 17:44 Musicus wrote:
Man I think Neeb will also do it, 5 foreigners in Code S?


6 if Elazer beats Prince again.
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 25 2017 08:45 GMT
#439
So now we will always have the same ro16, and some random players in ro32
TL+ Member
Avicularia
Profile Joined February 2012
540 Posts
June 25 2017 08:46 GMT
#440
On June 25 2017 17:44 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 17:44 Avicularia wrote:
On June 25 2017 17:40 Ej_ wrote:
Jake is now streaming Neeb's POV vs Hurricane.

Who the hell is Jake?

The absolute madman, VSL champion slayer, Code S participant, NoRegreT himself


Ah OK. I was looking for in game stream there;p
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