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On June 25 2017 17:31 AshC wrote:
Jake seems like a nice guy but seriously the fact he qualifies for GSL over ByuL, Creator, Zest, Cure and others is just a depressing sign for Korean SC2 scene. He couldn't even qualify for Gameland(he got invited) and somehow he made it to GSL.
Yeah. I was thinking the same. Fair go, he made it through the bracket he had in front of him, but I'm not sure if this is a sign the foreign scene is growing any more than the Korean scene is dead.
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They are so happy to destroy what remains, i hate them
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I like how people love to discredit the achievements of Mvp, NesTea, Jinro and others by saying "Oh, well, the game was easier back then."
These are the same people saying the game is like, SUPER EASY now.
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On June 25 2017 17:34 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:31 AshC wrote:
Jake seems like a nice guy but seriously the fact he qualifies for GSL over ByuL, Creator, Zest, Cure and others is just a depressing sign for Korean SC2 scene. He couldn't even qualify for Gameland(he got invited) and somehow he made it to GSL. Yeah. I was thinking the same. Fair go, he made it through the bracket he had in front of him, but I'm not sure if this is a sign the foreign scene is growing any more than the Korean scene is dead.
Just a sign that ro32 isnt relevant, ro32 is code B and ro16 code S, so, they will get 2-0ed until the ro16
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On June 25 2017 17:31 Couguar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzards poor decision-making. Hmm... may be koreans are to blame that lower-tier players can get though qualis?
The problem he's getting at it's that low-tier Koreans can't. Look at how many amateur players signed up: Prince, HHs, Nightmare etc.. If you can't support the grassroots scene, your pro scene will die off. It wasn't a problem when proteams and proleague were a thing, but now it is.
Having said that, I can understand GSL being free to participate for everyone as it is a league (opposite to a weekender) and you have to stay in Korea (well, you could make trips back-and-forth, but I don' think any of qualified foreigners actually will do it) to participate.
Korea also does have their own online tournaments and amateur leagues so maybe it will regenerate in the similar way the BW scene did.
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On June 25 2017 17:31 Couguar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzards poor decision-making. Hmm... may be koreans are to blame that lower-tier players can get though qualis?
By that logic (wanting to see the best players) koreans should be able to play in WCS.
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Elentos
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On June 25 2017 17:34 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:31 AshC wrote:
Jake seems like a nice guy but seriously the fact he qualifies for GSL over ByuL, Creator, Zest, Cure and others is just a depressing sign for Korean SC2 scene. He couldn't even qualify for Gameland(he got invited) and somehow he made it to GSL. Yeah. I was thinking the same. Fair go, he made it through the bracket he had in front of him, but I'm not sure if this is a sign the foreign scene is growing any more than the Korean scene is dead.
I mean, it's not like there are significantly more than 32 Korean players who seem like they'd belong in Code S in these brackets.
So it's probably a lot about the Korean scene being dead.
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Open WCS Circuit to some extent to Koreans (not just the ones who have teams which support them getting Visa).
Motivated and good players will participate in GSL & WCS Circuit events like foreigners are currently doing.
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On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd
I don't like foreigners to complete at Korean events either but I think the issue here is the stupid qualifier format.
I think they should qualify 1 person per group (AKA 14 players qualify in first round) and then the rest get reseeded and divided into groups again and in the end another 14 qualify.
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Prince vs. Sting would be a fun match to commentate 
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 25 2017 17:34 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I don't think this year's system is bad for Korea. WCS gets four tournaments whereas Korea gets nine. It's not bad for the top 15 koreans. Think about the lower tier ones like Impact, Forte, Hush etc
Tbh Korean Starcraft has always been hugely top heavy, and the fact that there are foreigners in Korean qualifiers makes it harder for the lower tier guys, but only a little.
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On June 25 2017 17:33 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:31 Musicus wrote:On June 25 2017 17:29 Charoisaur wrote:On June 25 2017 17:24 pvsnp wrote:
Inb4 GSL 2018 is region-locked. It should be region-locked already. It's completely bullshit that WCS is regionlocked but GSL not. sc2 is already not very healzhy in korea and now they prevent the lower-tier players from getting paychecks. If sc2 in korea dies it's because of blizzatds poor decision-making. I actually agree that GSL should be region locked or that people should have to chose between WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit. But I firmly believe this is not Blizzard's decision and the GSL wants foreigners competing in Korea for the hype. +1, players like noregret or scarlett send players to retirement just for their pleasure of losing in ro32 while they can play WCS circuit, it's absurd
Yep, I mean it's fine if they want to play GSL if they commit ot living in Korea, just as it's fine if TRUE plays in the WCS Circuit, living in NA.
But they should not be allowed to play in the WCS Circuit if they choose to live in Korea and play GSL.
I am in no way blaming the players of course, they are just using the system as Koreans did when nothing was region locked, I am just criticising the rules.
Region lock must go both ways!
Edit: I think I remember Scarlett herself saying that it's unfair.
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On June 25 2017 17:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I like how people love to discredit the achievements of Mvp, NesTea, Jinro and others by saying "Oh, well, the game was easier back then."
These are the same people saying the game is like, SUPER EASY now.
Rofl, you cant compare ro32.
Everything is about disparity, Mvp, Nestea are nowhere closet o INnoVation lvl now, but ro32 is nowhere close to 2012 ro32 too
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You guys do realize only Zest, Myungsik and Impact were beaten by the foreigners for the spots while Cure lost to Prince, Creator to KeeN and Byul to freaking Forte!!!!!! I'm not sure why you're complaining about those three as well as Zest cause he's in bad form anyway.
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Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted.
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On June 25 2017 17:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 17:34 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 25 2017 17:31 AshC wrote:
Jake seems like a nice guy but seriously the fact he qualifies for GSL over ByuL, Creator, Zest, Cure and others is just a depressing sign for Korean SC2 scene. He couldn't even qualify for Gameland(he got invited) and somehow he made it to GSL. Yeah. I was thinking the same. Fair go, he made it through the bracket he had in front of him, but I'm not sure if this is a sign the foreign scene is growing any more than the Korean scene is dead. I mean, it's not like there are significantly more than 32 Korean players who seem like they'd belong in Code S in these brackets. So it's probably a lot about the Korean scene being dead.
Yeah it's dead because foreigners are taking the spots that belong to the korean newcomers.
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On June 25 2017 17:35 LaughNgamez wrote:
Open WCS Circuit to some extent to Koreans (not just the ones who have teams which support them getting Visa).
Motivated and good players will participate in GSL & WCS Circuit events like foreigners are currently doing.
You can't just say "well if you have an internet connection you can play in WCS" and "if you LIVE IN KOREA you can play in the GSL". That's the problem. If WCS were actually a league and not an assorted series of weekenders you could "open it up" in that way.
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Why do Afreeca rush the GSL qualifier ? Round Robin like chinese tournament and everything should be ok ...
NoRegret in GSL ...
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On June 25 2017 17:38 pvsnp wrote:
Korean top-tiers are still going strong but the lower-middle ones have been decimated. Kespa leaving and the teamhouses closing undercut the entire scene until something like this inevitably resulted.
And no new talent is flowing in because there's nowhere to do so and literally no chance of any team picking up an unknown Korean talent and paying them sufficient salary these days.
It's funny how people hated stuchiu for his "highest skill era" article, but you're seeing exactly what he talked about in live action right now.
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Jake is now streaming Neeb's POV vs Hurricane.
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