EPTCommunity Feedback Update - December 2 - Page 4
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MiCroLiFe
Norway275 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16022 Posts
On December 03 2016 09:29 geokilla wrote: Please bring back mid-season demotions for ladder. how would that affect you? | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
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Lexender
Mexico2655 Posts
On December 03 2016 06:35 Liquid`Snute wrote: Because right now there is no doubt that Mass Raven destroys sky-zerg and that Mass Viper/Hydra/Swarmhost kill-them-before-they-get-there taking free trades is better. I do think Terran lategame is stronger than Zerg but it's impossible for them to reach that stage. So one should work on fixing both. Mass ravens make as much sense as current vipers, both should be nerfed instead of staying in this stupid arms race of who gets the supreme lategame first. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
the one thing that's starting to confuse me though is why they seem to fixate on abstract concepts like "if hydras are a problem maybe we can buff colossus" when there are broad issues emerging with how the game is actually played by human beings. on ladder huge majorities of people are either racing to unbeatable turtle styles or doing allins to avoid ever getting there. huge majorities of my zvzs are literally just mass banelings move commanding into my natural because the game has become so ability casting intensive that no one wants to bother with tech. same thing with adepts and same thing with terrans starting to use 2rax stim timings. these are all clear signs that a lot of players want to play mechanically with low tech units instead of worrying about dodging spells and juggling hotkeys. but for some reason the solution blizzard offers is to buff tower defense playstyles like mech and skytoss based on some weird even-stevens idea that any style you can dream up should be viable. what actually happens is that the entire midgame of every matchup is ruined because you either survive to tech or you die to aggression again, i love the game, it's fun and i still play it. but i even find myself going hyper aggressive and ignoring the meta entirely just to play ling bane muta in every matchup because it's simply more fun than playing pin the tail on the counter and don't sneeze or you're dead. and don't misunderstand this as racially motivated - it's a problem across all races and matchups. it's a problem because blizzard is trying to please everyone in ways that arent possible. please just make the game have a consistent feel and consistent requirements. making every random thing viable doesn't help. gimmicks like burrow and DT blink don't make the game more playable, they just make it more intense. and it's already VERY INTENSE the midgame is dying. hots tvz with ling bane muta vs bio mine was beautiful because it had a rich mechanical midgame. NOT because 48 styles and builds were all viable. | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
End of year and so much work irl :'( | ||
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bObA
France300 Posts
Imo you should reduce the blind cloud effect to one targeted unit. That's not normal to make 3/4 tanks useless with only one blinding cloud. And during a fight that's not easy to split tanks well enough to avoid to have a group focused by one blinding cloud, since you have to scan all the time to see where zerg army is, and since zerg army can attack from multiple angles. Very often you are following your attack carefully but just one seconde when the zerg army is on you, you have to siege them up quickly but that's too late. 2 blinding clouds and your all army is useless. And everybody knows how long is the mech army repop, so one fight lost and you are DEAD. Also with the disappearance of the tankivacs it is impossible to take up a good position back and unsiege them during a fight is a loss for sure. | ||
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SilverBullet
Canada79 Posts
I still haven't seen a compelling reason why the hydralisk was buffed in the first place - and now that it's making PvZ suffer you're going to buff the colossus with some weird +light damage to compensate. Why did you buff the hydralisk to begin with? | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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JackONeill
861 Posts
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
On December 03 2016 18:07 Nerchio wrote: I am tired of Blizzard taking away any good units from Zerg and then you are left with mediocre only. Leave Vipers alone Exactly this. It's been years now and Blizzard always does the same thing. They nerf to the ground every good unit that Zerg has. Balance topics are always about Terran and Protoss crying as they cannot a-move to victory vs Zerg. Terrans crying about ultralisks-Blizzard nerfs them-Terrans switch to cry about vipers, infestors, hydralisks. I mean...what will left after those oceans of tears for Zerg? I'm also tire of reading about mech as it would be a 4th race in this game. It's Terran. And i just don't understand this cry that pure mech composition cannot kill everything in the game. Zergs are not crying that Muta/bling doesnt kill mass siegetanks/thors. They just make units that can do that. U cry about mech having problems with Vipers. So how about mixing some ghosts? Too hard? Year after year of those changes of Zerg based on rivers of tears makes Zerg less and less fun to play. I mean Blizzard. Stop listening biased people like Avilo or others. I would strongly reccomend to u all to play the game and stop whining. Meta needs time to settle. I loose hard to Terran bio but still im not whining. Just playing and improving. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On December 03 2016 04:38 Musicus wrote: I'm not too sure about these changes, but sure let's test things. I just don't want to see too much Colossus and mech play. Nerf the viper all you want, I don't like the unit at all! Still, reducing the abduct range would be bad because it would affect fighting vs air armies too. So it would be much better to nerf blinding cloud instead in my opinion. But if you nerf viper you will see more mech, mass colo and mass carrier. PB are uneffective vs capital ship, and abduct barely useful. Actually, zerg can't kill the golden skytoss with their units when P reach a point of invincible deathball. It will nerf viper you encourage T/P to camp and make their deathball. | ||
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FoxDog
170 Posts
On December 03 2016 19:01 Tyrhanius wrote: But if you nerf viper you will see more mech, mass colo and mass carrier. PB are uneffective vs capital ship, and abduct barely useful. Actually, zerg can't kill the golden skytoss with their units when P reach a point of invincible deathball. It will nerf viper you encourage T/P to camp and make their deathball. Mech is 100% unviable atm for people who are not gm/highmaster who main mech, you can literally not play mech on the ladder because of how good vipers are and this is not up for debate, mech players have to avoid lategame or suffer an instant loss, this is entirely unbalanced in zergs favor and the fact you dont see this is worrysome. | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
On December 03 2016 03:49 Charoisaur wrote: I feel like blinding cloud and abduct are the smallest issues with the viper in zvt. In HotS you could zone out vipers with vikings. this is not possible anymore because of parasitic bomb countering vikings. Also parasitic bomb made BL/Viper OP because terran didn't have an answer to this before the raven buff (which is OP too) solution: nerf/remove parasitic bomb so terran can counter vipers with vikings again - revert the seeker missile buff. Totally aggree with that, parasite bomb is the issue, when one viper can kill 15 vikings, you know something is not right. The other spells can be avoided by good tank placement while parasite bomb just counters viper's counter... | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On December 03 2016 18:29 JackONeill wrote: At least they're on the right path. Nerfing the gamebreaking caster instead of the very strong (arguably OP) core unit is the better choice Wrong, if there is any gamebreaking caster it's high templar | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
On December 03 2016 03:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i've said this before.. i'll say it again. how does the tongue of a flying unit pull a Sieged Tank out of the ground while the flying Viper remains motionless and in the exact same position? shouldn't this "abduct"/tongue-pull not be possible at all OR at least force the Viper itself to move towards the Sieged Tank at least a little bit? I say either a Sieged Tank can't be abducted at all.. .or the Viper is pulled forward as it pulls the Sieged Tank out of the ground and towards it... Both the Viper and Sieged Tank should come together and both objects should move. nerf the Viper in this way... make it move towards the victim of its abduct/tongue-pull OR maybe lower the range of the tongue pull OR eliminate the abduct ability from working on Tanks seiged into the ground. nah. it leans back a bit. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
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FoxDog
170 Posts
On December 03 2016 19:39 Nerchio wrote: Wrong, if there is any gamebreaking caster it's high templar nerchio please be honest, do you want mech to be a viable playstyle or not? if not then why, and what buffs would you give zerg in exchange for removing blinding cloud? | ||
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Freeborn
Germany421 Posts
we need 14 damage flat stalker damage and maybe more. Disruptors are a total gamble and not worth it with their tiny range and slow shot speed. Colossus are boring and will always create deathballs. Make disruptor shots last longer or go faster and maybe reduce damage and increase radius or the other way around. Interceptors probably should be 10 minerals. tempests shoulb go back to the way they were with 4-5 supply cost but with less HP since they are artillery. Vipers parasitic bomb should not stack but do more damage and blinding cloud might need a shorter casting range. I like the chargelot and void speed buff though. Thx | ||
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