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breaker1328
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada301 Posts
October 05 2016 02:48 GMT
#141
Honestly, if his MANDATORY military service is coming up and he had to retire anyway, I think I'd rather get married.
TheHumanLife
Profile Joined September 2016
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 03:51:03
October 05 2016 03:24 GMT
#142
seems like majority of foreigners have no idea what Hydra was thinking about starcraft2 since 2016. Many foreigners said "why Hydra's recent performance are bad compared to his 2015?" Well, there is a reason why. He recently hasn't practiced at all in sc2 before blizzcon, and spend on time for hanging out with his wife and planning about his future and preparing for his marriage. It wasn't that simple as you foreigners think. The rumor that "Hydra will be married, and retire" was already since 2015 in Korea. Tons of Korean fans saying Hydra wasn't practicing sc2 as usual since 2016, and more focusing on his personal life, planning his future and his wife. You can say Hydra was already thinking about retiring since early 2016 and he didn't care that much about being the best in sc2 anymore, he was just purely enjoying the game before he gets married and retired.

btw, another bad rumor is that many Kespa pros are seriously thinking about their new future, (herO and many others) after the rumor Kespa teams can be disbanded. Many Korean fans already was thinking that many of Kespa pros lost their motivation right after GSL, SSL season 2 are finished.

Yeah, to be honest, I can say starcraft 2 in Korea is even being worse than before...

LoL is popular as usual, and Overwatch is new boom in Korea right now. Most of the young people who wants to be a progamer all aiming Overwatch right now...


(a Korean player with widowmaker in Overwatch)

And I guess the reason why SKT and KT wants to disband their sc2 team, and want to make new game team, it might be Overwatch perhaps.

so no more young talent from sc2 in Korea I guess
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
October 05 2016 04:27 GMT
#143
On October 05 2016 10:56 Nostromo1 wrote:
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On October 05 2016 10:47 Phredxor wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:23 Nostromo1 wrote:
Okay now after this statement from Hydra I'm actually starting to get pissed off at Hydras mindset and thinking regarding this situation he talks about how much this tournament would mean to him cause it would be the last major event before his military service probably the greatest event regardless of result lets be honest but then begins to defend his decision for wedding dates and planning and makes this quote "As I believed so much that it could've been figured and I could've played it" buddy assumption is the mother of all fuck ups just stupid he would assume hey we'll figure it out if it becomes a problem but hey no worries. That is basically the attitude he took and it shows by his statement he makes a case for we planned the wedding a year ago and ASSUMED that Blizzcon would be at the beginning of November cause of past history. Hey here's a good piece of information history is HISTORY it does not indicate exact dates for future events yes it may set a precedent for predictable time frames but it should have been a time frame you completely avoided when it came to planning your wedding. This whole thing just irks me all sorts of way I am big Hydra supporter and to see this play out the way it has is more than distasteful to say the least the logic just doesn't make sense here.


You don't sound like a very good Hydra supporter to me.


Why because I am upset that he planned his wedding within the assumed Blizzcon time frame lol something that common sense would make you not plan your wedding anywhere near that time frame? What is a "good" Hydra supporter supposed to say congrats happy you won't be at Blizzcon? I am just voicing my frustration regarding this whole situation that's what a "normal" fan imo would do when one of their favorite players doesn't show up when they have a seat but hey I guess I hate Hydra by your definition.


Hey if playing at Blizzcon is more important to you that's cool too. But most people would think their marriage is more important, Hydra included apparently.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 04:39:21
October 05 2016 04:39 GMT
#144
On October 04 2016 11:40 ProBell wrote:
I wouldn't marry a woman who'd turn down $10k...It's not like you can't marry a week later?


Some people are easy to buy and sell. Some aren't.

I prefer the latter when it comes to choosing a mate.
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada518 Posts
October 05 2016 05:44 GMT
#145
Damn, most of the comments in this thread... They're the real reason this game is dying. Worst 'fans' I've ever seen.
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
October 05 2016 07:02 GMT
#146
I can respect anyone who puts love & marriage above money & fame...

...and also deciding not to piss off the in-laws by prioritizing Blizzcon over his soon-to-be bride.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
October 05 2016 07:27 GMT
#147
Best of luck to Hydra!

Now we know the participants and groups (?), could we get a HYPE thread?
Insert wise words here
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 07:42:09
October 05 2016 07:40 GMT
#148
On October 05 2016 01:37 Cricketer12 wrote:
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On October 04 2016 23:00 outscar wrote:
Even Lilbow made better decision by far and got his 5k for 16th place. No words...

Gain the derision of the internet for 5k, OR have the adoration of the internet AND more importantly, marry the love of your life.
Hmm u right, lilbow made the better decision


or you know, just not say that you practiced lotv beta when you're going to one of the biggest events in the year

and either way, love is nice and all but turning down $10k isn't an easy decision. most people in this world wouldn't do it. i sure as hell wouldn't mind a cool $10k in my bank account.
maru lover forever
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
October 05 2016 07:44 GMT
#149
On October 05 2016 14:44 cha0 wrote:
Damn, most of the comments in this thread... They're the real reason this game is dying. Worst 'fans' I've ever seen.


Big quote, I've always heard that SC has one of the warmest communities, but it sure does not appear from TL...
My life for Aiur !
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
October 05 2016 07:52 GMT
#150
too bad
Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
October 05 2016 08:51 GMT
#151
On October 05 2016 16:44 VHbb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 14:44 cha0 wrote:
Damn, most of the comments in this thread... They're the real reason this game is dying. Worst 'fans' I've ever seen.


Big quote, I've always heard that SC has one of the warmest communities, but it sure does not appear from TL...


TL has been pretty sour as of late
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4151 Posts
October 05 2016 10:30 GMT
#152
On October 05 2016 17:51 Vedeynevin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 16:44 VHbb wrote:
On October 05 2016 14:44 cha0 wrote:
Damn, most of the comments in this thread... They're the real reason this game is dying. Worst 'fans' I've ever seen.


Big quote, I've always heard that SC has one of the warmest communities, but it sure does not appear from TL...


TL has been pretty sour as of late


yep amount of clueless haters on TL has never been as big as it is today
Drone is a way of living
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 05 2016 15:35 GMT
#153
You can tell there are quite a few youngins in this thread by some of the comments. As several people already chimed in, you can't just change a wedding date that easily. You'll likely lose more than 10k and piss off a ton of people especially those who have tried to take time off work and bought plane tickets etc...

Not to mention pissing off your wife, her parents etc... and these things are booked a year in advance so you won't be able to move it till a year later (maybe slightly earlier if you're lucky)... Also, weddings and love is more important than playing several games at Blizzcon...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
October 05 2016 17:53 GMT
#154
Oh man that's a depressing edit. He's retiring too? What a shame that life gets in the way of ambitions.

@BigFan Yeah canceling the wedding is crazy talk and no one who had put their payment down on one would consider it for a chance to win the money back and maybe some more. And all the excellent points you made about the inconvenience and cost of everyone involved, not just the bride and groom. The real hard question is - Did he think he had a chance of attending when he scheduled his wedding a year ago? He probably held it in the realm of possibilities but his willingness to cut it fine, and travel in the immediate days after the wedding, tell more than words.

All that aside, he wisely chose life after Starcraft rather than to chase a dream of being a champion.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 18:13:09
October 05 2016 18:11 GMT
#155
On October 06 2016 00:35 BigFan wrote:
You can tell there are quite a few youngins in this thread by some of the comments. As several people already chimed in, you can't just change a wedding date that easily. You'll likely lose more than 10k and piss off a ton of people especially those who have tried to take time off work and bought plane tickets etc...

Not to mention pissing off your wife, her parents etc... and these things are booked a year in advance so you won't be able to move it till a year later (maybe slightly earlier if you're lucky)... Also, weddings and love is more important than playing several games at Blizzcon...


you know in advance when blizzcon is really

say "youngins" and "love" all you want, there aren't many people in this world who are going to scoff at $10k. it's a lot of money, not something you can really scoff at unless you're very well off, lol

sure wedding takes precedent over blizzcon but then it's not like people tell their boss to cut off 1/5 of their yearly salary so they can go to a wedding either. that's more or less what happened here
maru lover forever
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
October 05 2016 18:23 GMT
#156
Y'all kids need to get married or get involved in wedding planning
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
October 05 2016 20:00 GMT
#157
I don't think Hydra should have canceled/moved his wedding date for Blizzcon.

I was wondering why he would schedule these two incredibly important dates so close to each other. However, as his statement already explained along with other comments about setting dates, I can sort of understand the conflict.

Still, why would you even try to set your wedding date even remotely close to a forecasted Blizzcon date? I mean, wouldn't you want to practice a shit ton before Blizzcon? I just wonder why he didn't set the date a few weeks after Blizzcon. I do recall someone saying its tradition to set a Korean wedding near the beginning or end of the month, but for 10k I would tell tradition to fuck off.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 21:14:14
October 05 2016 21:12 GMT
#158
On October 06 2016 03:11 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 00:35 BigFan wrote:
You can tell there are quite a few youngins in this thread by some of the comments. As several people already chimed in, you can't just change a wedding date that easily. You'll likely lose more than 10k and piss off a ton of people especially those who have tried to take time off work and bought plane tickets etc...

Not to mention pissing off your wife, her parents etc... and these things are booked a year in advance so you won't be able to move it till a year later (maybe slightly earlier if you're lucky)... Also, weddings and love is more important than playing several games at Blizzcon...


you know in advance when blizzcon is really

say "youngins" and "love" all you want, there aren't many people in this world who are going to scoff at $10k. it's a lot of money, not something you can really scoff at unless you're very well off, lol

sure wedding takes precedent over blizzcon but then it's not like people tell their boss to cut off 1/5 of their yearly salary so they can go to a wedding either. that's more or less what happened here

Based on the OP, he set the wedding to be before blizzcon so that he can get married then go there but it didn't work out. Not much you can do:
Last year and two year ago, BlizzCon started on the Nov 1st, so I thought it would be fine to book my wedding on the 29th(+time difference between kr and usa so would arrive on the 29th.), But the schedule was set differently this year, and I know that's no one's fault.


I think you are still missing the main point so I'll reiterate:
potential >$10k loss due to rescheduling+pissed off family/guests+rebooking time(include reinvitations) >>> $10k+blizzcon

I'm not even sure what's there to debate. Most people who have either had a wedding or looked into the costs would realize what Hydra did was perfectly reasonable. No one is saying that 10k is a small amount. Rather, it's a pretty large amount, however, given the circumstances, it was the best choice. I'd rather lose 10k and make lifelong good relationships with family and friends than piss on all that just for money. 10k will disappear, good relationship won't as easily.

Also, based on another poster wrote, looks like he's been contemplating retiring since the start of 2016 and hasn't practiced much so he probably didn't think he'll make it far so less incentive to even go but that's aside from the main point.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 05 2016 21:14 GMT
#159
On October 06 2016 03:11 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 00:35 BigFan wrote:
You can tell there are quite a few youngins in this thread by some of the comments. As several people already chimed in, you can't just change a wedding date that easily. You'll likely lose more than 10k and piss off a ton of people especially those who have tried to take time off work and bought plane tickets etc...

Not to mention pissing off your wife, her parents etc... and these things are booked a year in advance so you won't be able to move it till a year later (maybe slightly earlier if you're lucky)... Also, weddings and love is more important than playing several games at Blizzcon...


you know in advance when blizzcon is really

say "youngins" and "love" all you want, there aren't many people in this world who are going to scoff at $10k. it's a lot of money, not something you can really scoff at unless you're very well off, lol

sure wedding takes precedent over blizzcon but then it's not like people tell their boss to cut off 1/5 of their yearly salary so they can go to a wedding either. that's more or less what happened here


And as said many times by people old enough to be married, wedding planning is very difficult. If that's the best date they can get, $10k is an acceptable cost. If SK taxes are like France's, that's $2-4k maybe?

In many Asian cultures, bride's family pays for the wedding. You want to piss off somebody who's paying $30-40k for your wedding to earn $10k before taxes? Yeeesh

SC2 is dying in Korea. It's time for him to move on in his life. And family connections play a large part in getting a good job afterwards.
polygonsc2
Profile Joined June 2016
34 Posts
October 05 2016 21:43 GMT
#160
Best wishes to Hydra and his no doubt lovely bride.
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