Blizzard Esports announces today that Shin ‘Hydra’ Dong Won will be withdrawing from competition at the WCS Global Finals, due to a timing conflict with Hydra’s wedding and scheduled group play during BlizzCon Opening Week. Blizzard respects the gravity and importance of such a joyful day for Hydra and his family. While the overlap is unfortunate and everyone worked together to find a solution, no mutually agreeable option could be found that kept the WCS Global Finals competition from undue risk of delays or forfeit.
Hydra has always been a great competitor in StarCraft II esports, and we appreciate his accomplishment this year, and in past seasons of WCS. BlizzCon would not be the same without him, so he has been invited to the convention to participate in exhibition showmatches.
This change will resolve the tie between Kim ‘viOLet’ Dong Hwan and Mikolag ‘Elazer’ Ogonowski over 8th place in the WCS Circuit Standings. Both players will compete at the Global Playoffs, October 27-30 in California. All players will be reseeded accordingly.
In addition, Hydra has announced his impending retirement.
Hydra here,
As may you know, I won't be participating in BlizzCon this year. Because of a conflict with my wedding. It had to be booked a year ago to set it up on a good day and time for all my family and fiance's. Last year and two year ago, BlizzCon started on the Nov 1st, so I thought it would be fine to book my wedding on the 29th(+time difference between kr and usa so would arrive on the 29th.), But the schedule was set differently this year, and I know that's no one's fault. Blizzard, Catz and I tried our best to figure it out, But we could't reach to make it happen. As I believed so much that it could've been figured and I could've played it, it was frustrating so much. Especially I am planning to join the military service in Korea at the end of this year, it would've been my last big tournament. But everything has been decided now. I'd like to thank Blizzard and CatZ for all the work figuring this out. I'm happy that I'm still going to BlizzCon to play a show match. So I hope to see some of you there! And I'm so excited to see what's going to happen in BlizzCon this year. I personally think it's sad to see Neeb and Snute are in the same group because I think they are two of best outside of Korea, but why not both get out of the group.👍 Btw, I will be cheering for foreign players (foreign players could be Kr players, after Neeb won 😂)
On October 04 2016 10:43 traitortotzeench wrote: So True goes where Hydra was supposed to, but will it be Elazer in group D and Violet in group A or the reverse?
That's a very good question especially considering the fact that they got the same amount of points in the Circuit Championships (which is something that has been used as a tiebreaker in the past). Since they're completely tied they might just toss a coin to break the tie-break.
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
His wife would probably kill him
i dont see how they couldnt plan their wedding around another important event. i mean who realistically would turn down $10,000 that they rightfully earned?
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
His wife would probably kill him
i dont see how they couldnt plan their wedding around another important event. i mean who realistically would turn down $10,000 that they rightfully earned?
i respect his decision but its quite odd..
btw, how are you, longshot?
I'm willing to bet that the wedding was scheduled, booked, etc. well in advance of WCS Finals dates being publicized.
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
His wife would probably kill him
i dont see how they couldnt plan their wedding around another important event. i mean who realistically would turn down $10,000 that they rightfully earned?
i respect his decision but its quite odd..
btw, how are you, longshot?
I'm willing to bet that the wedding was scheduled, booked, etc. well in advance of WCS Finals dates being publicized.
Blizzcon dates were announced in April though. Maybe Hydra forgot that the Ro16 was played the week before.
seems like they could have just...planned their wedding for a different weekend. I mean, sure, he can't miss his wedding, but I bet his wife wouldn't mind that 10k dollars in the family bank account either.
It's also possible that his deposits on certain things related to the marriage could amount to nearly the same amount of money... Imagine his deposits would be $5k non-refundable, then he cancels, wins $10k, then has to deposit/pay $5k again? Even if you lower the number, I'm not sure it's worth all the hassle to friends and family and yourself.
Although, from what I know, Korean weddings are not as lavish/long/expensive as western weddings tend to be, but I could be remembering incorrectly.
I think it's kinda silly of him to schedule his wedding in November anyway as he should know Blizzcon is always in that time frame. I guess unless he didn't think he would make it?
American weddings cost 20-30k on average these days. If hydra was anywhere close to this then its more costly to cancel the wedding. Plus anyone not understanding hydras choice clearly isnt married yet.
On October 04 2016 12:29 BisuDagger wrote: American weddings cost 20-30k on average these days. If hydra was anywhere close to this then its more costly to cancel the wedding. Plus anyone not understanding hydras choice clearly isnt married yet.
I'm married and I totally understand his choice, however both of these events should have been seen well in advance. Someone said Blizzard announced Blizzcon in April. That is 7 months. To me that seems like a lot of time to adjust the plans.
Thouhastmail said planning a wedding in Korea takes 6. I've had some miscommunication in both work and life that caused me to sacrifice one for the other, but it was never something this big.
Anyways, I'm sure Hydra had his reasons. It really sucks that he can't go.
I wonder who is replacing him. They better send Hydra and his fiance a damn good wedding gift!
On October 04 2016 12:29 BisuDagger wrote: American weddings cost 20-30k on average these days. If hydra was anywhere close to this then its more costly to cancel the wedding. Plus anyone not understanding hydras choice clearly isnt married yet.
I'm married and I totally understand his choice, however both of these events should have been seen well in advance. Someone said Blizzard announced Blizzcon in April. That is 7 months. To me that seems like a lot of time to adjust the plans.
Thouhastmail said planning a wedding in Korea takes 6. I've had some miscommunication in both work and life that caused me to sacrifice one for the other, but it was never something this big.
Anyways, I'm sure Hydra had his reasons. It really sucks that he can't go.
I wonder who is replacing him. They better send Hydra and his fiance a damn good wedding gift!
Violet and Elazer are taking the 7-8 place since they were tied at 8th.
Here are my thoughts I don't know when he proposed or when the wedding date was set but he should have known now for months since winning DH Austin after his 3rd/4th finish in WCS Winter at the beginning of March that he would have a pretty damn good chance at qualifying for Blizzcon so why not plan accordingly? If the date was set beforehand that's fine but imo 6 months is enough time to move things around for a potential chance at $200k and $10k GUARANTEED!!!!! Very disappointing Congratulations Hydra on your upcoming nuptials but this really doesn't make sense given the circumstances.
On October 04 2016 13:08 ivancype wrote: yeah... SC2 must be paying really well for someone to give up 10k..
Does he still needs to go to military?
not sure how things work in SK but isn't Hydra blind in 1 eye? I wonder if it would count as a disability to disqualify him from service? or maybe it's not a big deal
On October 04 2016 13:08 ivancype wrote: yeah... SC2 must be paying really well for someone to give up 10k..
Does he still needs to go to military?
not sure how things work in SK but isn't Hydra blind in 1 eye? I wonder if it would count as a disability to disqualify him from service? or maybe it's not a big deal
Only partially blind. Hydra can only seen outlines in his left eye, which *could* be enough to avoid military service perhaps, but considering the strictness of the Korean army I doubt it's that simple.
isn't he 25 years old? at 25, $10K USD ain't that much cash. add that with the wedding cost brought up earlier in the thread and its not that big a shock that his wedding trumps BlizzCon.
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
His wife would probably kill him
i dont see how they couldnt plan their wedding around another important event. i mean who realistically would turn down $10,000 that they rightfully earned?
i respect his decision but its quite odd..
btw, how are you, longshot?
If you have a wedding venue reserved, shits thousands of dollars and most don't let you cancel and get any refund.
I'm fine, TL didn't like me saying proleague is over and GSL is probably over so I spent a week in Kespa jail. I had Byun's cell, he left chips everywhere, Life is still crying about getting caught, I told him to cowboy the fuck up.
Culturally speaking, what other traditions in a Korea wedding do most people not know about?
On October 04 2016 12:29 BisuDagger wrote: American weddings cost 20-30k on average these days. If hydra was anywhere close to this then its more costly to cancel the wedding. Plus anyone not understanding hydras choice clearly isnt married yet.
Oh wow, I'm going to take it from you since you just got married this year. I assumed they were still in the 6-10k range... aye aye aye
[–]GamingLawLYCH [+1] [score hidden] an hour ago Hydra booked his wedding last year before any of the dates were announced, and while he did try to book around BlizzCon and WCS, it unfortunately worked out that BlizzCon starts abit earlier this year than the last 2 years (it starts on October 27th instead of November 1st).
WCS playoffs and Blizzcon started in November in 2013, 2014, and 2015. The earlier October 26th date for this year's playoffs didn't seem to be announced until September 15th even though Blizzcon itself isn't until November 4th. I would thus expect that Hydra had good reason to assume it would start in November again, and I'm sure he needed to accommodate his fiance's plans as well.
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
His wife would probably kill him
i dont see how they couldnt plan their wedding around another important event. i mean who realistically would turn down $10,000 that they rightfully earned?
i respect his decision but its quite odd..
btw, how are you, longshot?
If you have a wedding venue reserved, shits thousands of dollars and most don't let you cancel and get any refund.
I'm fine, TL didn't like me saying proleague is over and GSL is probably over so I spent a week in Kespa jail. I had Byun's cell, he left chips everywhere, Life is still crying about getting caught, I told him to cowboy the fuck up.
lmao. this is why ur one of my 2 favorite posters on here <3
Given the fact that the BlizzCon/WCS schedule has been the same for three years now, I'm pretty sure Hydra knew that he'd have a high chance of playing during the last week of October & first week of November. If he scheduled the wedding over it regardless, I'm sure he had a good reason.
I don't want to be rude towards Hydra because I like him, but I can't comprehend how stupidly he handled it. I mean, even little child would have planned the dates better, so two big events in his life don't overlap. No joking.
Planning a wedding date at least a year in advance is very common and rescheduling is not always easy. Depending on the size of the wedding, there could be a lot to do and they might not even get the places, food etc. at a different date. Guests can buy airplane tickets, book hotels etc. a long time in advance. I'm not married, but I do know that it's not just to change the date of a wedding. It's not even just a financial thing. You actually have to put a lot of work into planning it.
I don't know at what point Hydra got locked for Blizzcon, but at that moment he should start looking at it. The sooner you can find out if things can be worked out the better. I hope he was aware of the risk of the wedding crashing with Blizzcon when they picked a date. Blizzcon has been around that weekend for three years now.
I'm happy for Hydra and wish him all the best. Also good luck to Elazer and viOLet at Blizzcon.
On October 04 2016 14:58 Dingodile wrote: I am very sure Hydra will keep his $10k. Hydra's replacement wont get that $10k.
I am certain he won't. I believe WCS rules state you must show up for your round to receive the money. If they didn't, they may as well have started handing out 10k extra to the winners of the WCS championships or SSL or GSL as your "Congratulations" prize. I think this is treated as a Disqualification in which case he shouldn't get his money.
Also, who is Hydra's replacement in this case? Violet and Elazer are tied.
On October 04 2016 14:58 Dingodile wrote: I am very sure Hydra will keep his $10k. Hydra's replacement wont get that $10k.
I am certain he won't. I believe WCS rules state you must show up for your round to receive the money. If they didn't, they may as well have started handing out 10k extra to the winners of the WCS championships or SSL or GSL as your "Congratulations" prize. I think this is treated as a Disqualification in which case he shouldn't get his money.
Also, who is Hydra's replacement in this case? Violet and Elazer are tied.
They were tied for 8th place, which would have resulted into a bo5 series for that last spot. Now that Hydra is gone they both qualify.
On October 04 2016 14:58 Dingodile wrote: I am very sure Hydra will keep his $10k. Hydra's replacement wont get that $10k.
I am certain he won't. I believe WCS rules state you must show up for your round to receive the money. If they didn't, they may as well have started handing out 10k extra to the winners of the WCS championships or SSL or GSL as your "Congratulations" prize. I think this is treated as a Disqualification in which case he shouldn't get his money.
Also, who is Hydra's replacement in this case? Violet and Elazer are tied.
TRUE moves up a rank and takes Hydra's spot in group C. The spots in groups A and D will be taken by Violet and Elazer, though we're not sure how they'll decide how those spots will be determined.
On October 04 2016 14:49 Zephyp wrote: Planning a wedding date at least a year in advance is very common and rescheduling is not always easy. Depending on the size of the wedding, there could be a lot to do and they might not even get the places, food etc. at a different date. Guests can buy airplane tickets, book hotels etc. a long time in advance. I'm not married, but I do know that it's not just to change the date of a wedding. It's not even just a financial thing. You actually have to put a lot of work into planning it.
I don't know at what point Hydra got locked for Blizzcon, but at that moment he should start looking at it. The sooner you can find out if things can be worked out the better. I hope he was aware of the risk of the wedding crashing with Blizzcon when they picked a date. Blizzcon has been around that weekend for three years now.
I'm happy for Hydra and wish him all the best. Also good luck to Elazer and viOLet at Blizzcon.
Yeah especially if it is a popular place they(she) wanted to do it, they can have pretty long waiting lists during the good seasons.
We can't really fault him for that. It really was planned long before the Blizzcon dates were announced, and even though he played it dangerous by scheduling so close to Blizzcon to accommodate family and fiance, the dates from the last three years would've indicated that he was otherwise safe. It's unfortunate that the dates didn't end up working out for him, but at least we'll still see him in some hopefully fun showmatches.
On October 04 2016 12:29 BisuDagger wrote: American weddings cost 20-30k on average these days. If hydra was anywhere close to this then its more costly to cancel the wedding. Plus anyone not understanding hydras choice clearly isnt married yet.
Oh wow, I'm going to take it from you since you just got married this year. I assumed they were still in the 6-10k range... aye aye aye
I didnt invite family to my wedding. I eloped on a vineyard in Napa Valley so i managed to keep costs under 6k. It was an awesome experience. The funny thing is, when planning stuff with my wife she will always ask if I am casting the day she had in mind or is there a Starcraft tournament. I reply to her, "there's always a Starcraft event going on, dont worry about what your planning will interrupt." And if thats true for me, I imagine its true for Hydra. If his wife planned the wedding and said she would find a day that didn't conflict with his gaming career then that wedding would never happen lol.
This is Amazing Popular programer gets married, instead of congratulations he gets 3 pages of critics and nagging from TL because he will miss a tournament, and everyone is entitled to say how he would have done better...
This was the only logical conclusion. But they should still play a tiebreaker between viOlet and Elazer to finish the groups imo. To determine who gets boned by playing Dark/Stats/Nerchio, and who gets boned by playing Solar/TY/ShoWTimE.
On October 04 2016 14:58 Dingodile wrote: I am very sure Hydra will keep his $10k. Hydra's replacement wont get that $10k.
Problem with that is that regardless of where Hydra's replacement finishes, you'll have to knock 10k off his winnings. So if his replacement made it to the round of 8, then he would only get $5k.
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
His wife would probably kill him
i dont see how they couldnt plan their wedding around another important event. i mean who realistically would turn down $10,000 that they rightfully earned?
i respect his decision but its quite odd..
btw, how are you, longshot?
I'm willing to bet that the wedding was scheduled, booked, etc. well in advance of WCS Finals dates being publicized.
Blizzcon dates were announced in April though. Maybe Hydra forgot that the Ro16 was played the week before.
Well done Hydra, all the best. There is only 1 wedding (hopefully), while there are many good tournaments. You and your fiance deserve to have this happy day.
he couldnt have done/planned it a few weeks earlier or later? 10k free money to (worst case scenario) loose a bo5 or to loose in group stages day 1???? is he for real? its a professional SC2 gamer that didnt think of Blizzcon? the biggest tourney of the year? wowzers
i mean im obviously happy for him and all but holy fuckballs
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
His wife would probably kill him
i dont see how they couldnt plan their wedding around another important event. i mean who realistically would turn down $10,000 that they rightfully earned?
i respect his decision but its quite odd..
btw, how are you, longshot?
I'm willing to bet that the wedding was scheduled, booked, etc. well in advance of WCS Finals dates being publicized.
Blizzcon dates were announced in April though. Maybe Hydra forgot that the Ro16 was played the week before.
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
His wife would probably kill him
i dont see how they couldnt plan their wedding around another important event. i mean who realistically would turn down $10,000 that they rightfully earned?
i respect his decision but its quite odd..
btw, how are you, longshot?
I'm willing to bet that the wedding was scheduled, booked, etc. well in advance of WCS Finals dates being publicized.
Blizzcon dates were announced in April though. Maybe Hydra forgot that the Ro16 was played the week before.
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
His wife would probably kill him
i dont see how they couldnt plan their wedding around another important event. i mean who realistically would turn down $10,000 that they rightfully earned?
i respect his decision but its quite odd..
btw, how are you, longshot?
I'm willing to bet that the wedding was scheduled, booked, etc. well in advance of WCS Finals dates being publicized.
Blizzcon dates were announced in April though. Maybe Hydra forgot that the Ro16 was played the week before.
usually weddings are planned over a year before
Yes they are and they are also planned when it's most suitable for all invites of both parties. It's really hard to find a date where most family members and friends are available trust me. We had 100 invite at our wedding (which is about average in my country) and there was litterally 1 weekend where it fit for most people and location. Priorities mate.
Hydra's response does clear things up. Normally weddings take 6 months to a year to plan. If they did start a year, that explains much.
Regardless, it sucks he is retiring. I enjoyed watching his matches at DH. And I admire him, Polt, violet and now True for taking the leap across the great pond to play in foreign WCS.
Anyways, violet and elazer better send Hydra a wedding gift!
Good luck in the future Hydra! Enjoy your wedding day!
With full respect to Hydra's decision, i'm still a bit confused to why he would plan his wedding that close to blizzcon dates? Like this phrase does not make much sense: "Last year and two year ago, BlizzCon started on the Nov 1st, so I thought it would be fine to book my wedding on the 29th(+time difference between kr and usa so would arrive on the 29th.)" Would anyone here plan to have a wedding and FLY THE FUCK OUT the same day? Or maybe he planned to combine honeymoon with Blizzcon and chill in California with his wife? If this is the case, he has only himself to blame for a mix-up
sad hydra i hope rly u enjoy ur wedding and also please come back after military ^^ u ve always been one of the better zergs there will be missing place after you... Hope u come back fast
Maybe Korean army allows conjugal visits/leave to see their significant others. I'm sure he will see his wife more often than an inmate gets to see theirs.
Seriously. You guys are such nerds to not know that weddings are planned more than a year in advance. I'm already facepalming so much just reading the first page.
On October 04 2016 13:49 lestye wrote: Culturally speaking, what other traditions in a Korea wedding do most people not know about?
On October 04 2016 12:29 BisuDagger wrote: American weddings cost 20-30k on average these days. If hydra was anywhere close to this then its more costly to cancel the wedding. Plus anyone not understanding hydras choice clearly isnt married yet.
Oh wow, I'm going to take it from you since you just got married this year. I assumed they were still in the 6-10k range... aye aye aye
When did you get married? I know a bunch of relatives, friends, coworkers' kids, etc. who got married in the past 5 years or so. The weddings happened roughly 18 months after the engagement. The weddings cost around $30-40k. The venues need to be booked over a year in advance, with maybe a $10k deposit paid. They had roughly 150-200 guests. That's in the US.
Those weddings are considered small in Asia. I've heard from people in the Philippines that 500+ guests are normal...
On October 05 2016 00:34 andrewlt wrote: Seriously. You guys are such nerds to not know that weddings are planned more than a year in advance. I'm already facepalming so much just reading the first page.
On October 05 2016 00:34 andrewlt wrote: Seriously. You guys are such nerds to not know that weddings are planned more than a year in advance. I'm already facepalming so much just reading the first page.
I think that differs a lot depending on in which part of the world you live and how big the wedding is. Mine, for example, we planned for about 5 months. It was a smaller wedding, about 90 guests.
On October 05 2016 00:34 andrewlt wrote: Seriously. You guys are such nerds to not know that weddings are planned more than a year in advance. I'm already facepalming so much just reading the first page.
I think that differs a lot depending on in which part of the world you live and how big the wedding is. Mine, for example, we planned for about 5 months. It was a smaller wedding, about 90 guests.
Best of luck to Hydra!
Yeah, I had to edit my earlier post to clarify. I'm Asian American and even American weddings are bigger than that. Asian ones are just crazy.
On October 05 2016 00:55 Incognoto wrote: Honey will you delay our marriage for $10k?
Dear if we delay our marriage my great great great grandmother might not make it another day, and I really want her to see me married before she passes away.
On October 05 2016 01:13 brickrd wrote: lol this thread is hilarious, dude makes a personal decision and backseat life drivers on the internet grill him about it
people talking about the "average cost" of marriage... lol you can get married for $1000 easily or even less than that if you don't care
Well it is quite ridiculous that we are questioning his decisions, considering he isn't accountable to any of us.
Regarding the cost of marriage, you will be hard pressed to find a fiance that isn't seduced by the savvy marketing skills in the wedding industry.
In Ontario it only costs $100 to get married at city hall, and $500 to have a reception at a chinese buffet, so your estimation is even lower. The average cost of a wedding here goes around 20k. Huge markup in the wedding industry.
On an other note, I know nothing about weddings, but the prices I'm reading are crazy :D I think in Italy weddings are usually pretty large and I guess we are around the same prices, but I would not be too happy to spend that much (10-20k !!! ) for a single day.. I'm not judging, and I have no experience, just my first reaction reading the numbers is disbelief
On October 05 2016 00:49 rotta wrote: Just have the wedding at Blizzcon?
Yeah that crossed my mind. That would be crazy if Blizzard let him have the ceremony on a big stage.
And imagine if he won Blizzcon also! He could have his winning and wedding ceremony coupled. Both would be a great celebration!!!!
Ahh a fanboi can fantasize.
I personally think that streamed wedding are a weird thing to do... Expect for familly members who cant come or whatever. Beside that streaming his wedding to everyone feels very weird IMO.
On October 04 2016 23:00 outscar wrote: Even Lilbow made better decision by far and got his 5k for 16th place. No words...
Gain the derision of the internet for 5k, OR have the adoration of the internet AND more importantly, marry the love of your life. Hmm u right, lilbow made the better decision
On October 04 2016 23:00 outscar wrote: Even Lilbow made better decision by far and got his 5k for 16th place. No words...
Gain the derision of the internet for 5k, OR have the adoration of the internet AND more importantly, marry the love of your life. Hmm u right, lilbow made the better decision
Well apparently the internet hates you either way.
On October 04 2016 23:00 outscar wrote: Even Lilbow made better decision by far and got his 5k for 16th place. No words...
Gain the derision of the internet for 5k, OR have the adoration of the internet AND more importantly, marry the love of your life. Hmm u right, lilbow made the better decision
Well apparently the internet hates you either way.
On October 04 2016 23:00 outscar wrote: Even Lilbow made better decision by far and got his 5k for 16th place. No words...
Gain the derision of the internet for 5k, OR have the adoration of the internet AND more importantly, marry the love of your life. Hmm u right, lilbow made the better decision
Well apparently the internet hates you either way.
Understandable reasons. What I don't understand is how wedding could cost like $26,000 or even more! I guess it's about how many guests you have but damn!
The average wedding cost in the United States is $26,645.
Half of the average salary in the US. 3 months of your salary and 3 months of your partner. It's still significant though. It also doesn't include any other expenses which you have. :D
Edit: It's actually worse in the UK. It's almost like the average salary for a year. £24,000.
I don't know where his wedding will be, but in Korean(or any East Asia country), 'good day' is a pretty important factor. It's very hard to find a 'good day' that both parties agree on, as there would be only one such day each month.
Moving the wedding date is certainly not easy, guys.
On October 05 2016 01:13 brickrd wrote: lol this thread is hilarious, dude makes a personal decision and backseat life drivers on the internet grill him about it
people talking about the "average cost" of marriage... lol you can get married for $1000 easily or even less than that if you don't care
Well it is quite ridiculous that we are questioning his decisions, considering he isn't accountable to any of us.
Regarding the cost of marriage, you will be hard pressed to find a fiance that isn't seduced by the savvy marketing skills in the wedding industry.
In Ontario it only costs $100 to get married at city hall, and $500 to have a reception at a chinese buffet, so your estimation is even lower. The average cost of a wedding here goes around 20k. Huge markup in the wedding industry.
True the wedding industry marks things up a lot - but honestly the venue/food itself is killer.
Everyone saying weddings CAN be cheap is right.. but often times its not realistic as you have to meet the expectations of friends and family (in asian cultures its really important).
Just eating Christmas dinner with my extended family (20 of us?) at 10 or 12 course chinese food in Alberta here - we can easily eat $500, especially if you get the lobster/crab/abalone/seafood soups that are tradition at any big Chinese dinner.
Also - family being SUPER important in asian culture, at my wedding we invited 100 friends and my wife's parents and my parent's also invited another 100 of their friends. With 200 guests, at a "cheaper" venue (compared to my other friends) it cost over $50 per person. thats already 10k. That doesn't include all the alcohol (also pricey), reservation fees, other deposits and service charges, gratuity of usually 15%. And thats barebones for just venue and food.
If you've never hired a photographer before - these can cost upwards of 3-5k easily. And then throw in a DJ and decorations, wedding dress, suit rentals, etc.
Lastly everyone complaining that he can't move the date - venues in my moderately sized city are already booked a year in advance. I cant imagine if he had to book in Seoul how far ahead he'd have to get it reserved. Its not exactly like you call into a restaurant and you can easily move the date a few days later - it could be like a year delay. Given that you've booked the venue a year in advance - you then let all your family know so they can book flights. Imagine if you had to tell everyone they had to change their vacation and flight and hotel dates. That expense to your guests can already exceed 10k if you have more than 10 people coming from out of town.
Photographers (especially good ones) are also easily booked up to 6-9 months in advance. My fiance had a specific style of photographer she wanted - cant exactly willy nilly change and choose another one a few months before the wedding.
On October 04 2016 23:46 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: With full respect to Hydra's decision, i'm still a bit confused to why he would plan his wedding that close to blizzcon dates? Like this phrase does not make much sense: "Last year and two year ago, BlizzCon started on the Nov 1st, so I thought it would be fine to book my wedding on the 29th(+time difference between kr and usa so would arrive on the 29th.)" Would anyone here plan to have a wedding and FLY THE FUCK OUT the same day? Or maybe he planned to combine honeymoon with Blizzcon and chill in California with his wife? If this is the case, he has only himself to blame for a mix-up
Two possible reasons:
1. The queue for the place he would like to hold the wedding is very very long and the next possible date is around October 29th.
and/or
2. In Eastern countries, like China, there is a concept of a "good date" for marriage (or moving houses, start building a new office, etc.). It is a believe that you have to marry at this specific date in order to have a strong and long last relationship in the future. I am not sure whether S. Korea has this belief or not (especially many of S. Koreans are Christian now) but I would guess a lot of older people still have this kind of belief. Therefore, it is very possible that, couple with the first reason, makes the 29th the only date possible for his wedding ceremony if he wants to get marry this year, speaking from my own experience. When I got married, the only "good date" that I had (and all my relatives would not allow me to hold the ceremony on any other day unless it would be on a date around 6 months later) left me with 2 days for pre-wedding photoshoot and for making a wedding suit.
Oh no doubt venue and food are the biggest hit. When we visited different venues, they told us open bar would cost an extra $30-50 depending on the type of liquor.
And our menu choices ranged from 80-250 per head. Venue costs is the biggest incurring factor in any wedding, usually starting at 10k, but rarely ever staying there.
One more thing on moving the date (especially after it set and you have a ton of guests) - If hydra loses 10k having an average professional job (programmer/engineer/accountant/etc) - he can easily make that back in say 3-5 months of work. It hurts but its not terrible. And it only affects yourself.
But if your family is really networked (big extended family, lots of parents friends) - asian ppl (especially from the older generation) LOVE to gossip and NEVER forget haha. You'll be losing face for not only yourself but your parents (and your fiance's parents - whom you're trying to impress) and you'll never hear the end of how you moved the date on everyone for YEARS or decades on end haha.
On October 05 2016 01:35 VHbb wrote: On an other note, I know nothing about weddings, but the prices I'm reading are crazy :D I think in Italy weddings are usually pretty large and I guess we are around the same prices, but I would not be too happy to spend that much (10-20k !!! ) for a single day.. I'm not judging, and I have no experience, just my first reaction reading the numbers is disbelief
Well in Asian countries, appearance and connections are very important. It is very normal that a wedding ceremony would have 200+ guests. And the higher you (and your parents) are the more expensive it gets, both from the number of guests and the quality/class that you need to deliver.
I have a friend whose parents have quite high ranks in the military and she needed to invited 1,000 guests for her wedding ceremony. That would cost a lot even if you don't go for a super high class venue.
10k might be nothing for a wedding (usually cost $20k-$50k), but that doesn't mean that having booked a different date originally would be a decently big cost savings (1-2 months salary at a normal job).
I suppose it's fair that he might not have been thinking this far ahead, it's not the biggest deal anyway. Congrats on the wedding
Its very interesting to hear about other cultures in this subject. It seems family has the strongest role, since I don't know how many newly wed people could afford such expenses.. (I certainly could not, and I am not too young to be married) Thanks for sharing!
Agreed with someone who posted above, Hydra probably would've lost a lot in the eyes of her family and such, had he postponed the wedding on the last minute.
Harsh though, since it was actually Blizzcon which is pretty crucial for a SC2 pro. Maybe her family shouldve actually understood him and allow to postpone. Probably much easier said than done.
Okay now after this statement from Hydra I'm actually starting to get pissed off at Hydras mindset and thinking regarding this situation he talks about how much this tournament would mean to him cause it would be the last major event before his military service probably the greatest event regardless of result lets be honest but then begins to defend his decision for wedding dates and planning and makes this quote "As I believed so much that it could've been figured and I could've played it" buddy assumption is the mother of all fuck ups just stupid he would assume hey we'll figure it out if it becomes a problem but hey no worries. That is basically the attitude he took and it shows by his statement he makes a case for we planned the wedding a year ago and ASSUMED that Blizzcon would be at the beginning of November cause of past history. Hey here's a good piece of information history is HISTORY it does not indicate exact dates for future events yes it may set a precedent for predictable time frames but it should have been a time frame you completely avoided when it came to planning your wedding. This whole thing just irks me all sorts of way I am big Hydra supporter and to see this play out the way it has is more than distasteful to say the least the logic just doesn't make sense here.
On October 05 2016 10:23 Nostromo1 wrote: Okay now after this statement from Hydra I'm actually starting to get pissed off at Hydras mindset and thinking regarding this situation he talks about how much this tournament would mean to him cause it would be the last major event before his military service probably the greatest event regardless of result lets be honest but then begins to defend his decision for wedding dates and planning and makes this quote "As I believed so much that it could've been figured and I could've played it" buddy assumption is the mother of all fuck ups just stupid he would assume hey we'll figure it out if it becomes a problem but hey no worries. That is basically the attitude he took and it shows by his statement he makes a case for we planned the wedding a year ago and ASSUMED that Blizzcon would be at the beginning of November cause of past history. Hey here's a good piece of information history is HISTORY it does not indicate exact dates for future events yes it may set a precedent for predictable time frames but it should have been a time frame you completely avoided when it came to planning your wedding. This whole thing just irks me all sorts of way I am big Hydra supporter and to see this play out the way it has is more than distasteful to say the least the logic just doesn't make sense here.
You don't sound like a very good Hydra supporter to me.
On October 05 2016 10:23 Nostromo1 wrote: Okay now after this statement from Hydra I'm actually starting to get pissed off at Hydras mindset and thinking regarding this situation he talks about how much this tournament would mean to him cause it would be the last major event before his military service probably the greatest event regardless of result lets be honest but then begins to defend his decision for wedding dates and planning and makes this quote "As I believed so much that it could've been figured and I could've played it" buddy assumption is the mother of all fuck ups just stupid he would assume hey we'll figure it out if it becomes a problem but hey no worries. That is basically the attitude he took and it shows by his statement he makes a case for we planned the wedding a year ago and ASSUMED that Blizzcon would be at the beginning of November cause of past history. Hey here's a good piece of information history is HISTORY it does not indicate exact dates for future events yes it may set a precedent for predictable time frames but it should have been a time frame you completely avoided when it came to planning your wedding. This whole thing just irks me all sorts of way I am big Hydra supporter and to see this play out the way it has is more than distasteful to say the least the logic just doesn't make sense here.
You don't sound like a very good Hydra supporter to me.
Why because I am upset that he planned his wedding within the assumed Blizzcon time frame lol something that common sense would make you not plan your wedding anywhere near that time frame? What is a "good" Hydra supporter supposed to say congrats happy you won't be at Blizzcon? I am just voicing my frustration regarding this whole situation that's what a "normal" fan imo would do when one of their favorite players doesn't show up when they have a seat but hey I guess I hate Hydra by your definition.
seems like majority of foreigners have no idea what Hydra was thinking about starcraft2 since 2016. Many foreigners said "why Hydra's recent performance are bad compared to his 2015?" Well, there is a reason why. He recently hasn't practiced at all in sc2 before blizzcon, and spend on time for hanging out with his wife and planning about his future and preparing for his marriage. It wasn't that simple as you foreigners think. The rumor that "Hydra will be married, and retire" was already since 2015 in Korea. Tons of Korean fans saying Hydra wasn't practicing sc2 as usual since 2016, and more focusing on his personal life, planning his future and his wife. You can say Hydra was already thinking about retiring since early 2016 and he didn't care that much about being the best in sc2 anymore, he was just purely enjoying the game before he gets married and retired.
btw, another bad rumor is that many Kespa pros are seriously thinking about their new future, (herO and many others) after the rumor Kespa teams can be disbanded. Many Korean fans already was thinking that many of Kespa pros lost their motivation right after GSL, SSL season 2 are finished.
Yeah, to be honest, I can say starcraft 2 in Korea is even being worse than before...
LoL is popular as usual, and Overwatch is new boom in Korea right now. Most of the young people who wants to be a progamer all aiming Overwatch right now...
(a Korean player with widowmaker in Overwatch)
And I guess the reason why SKT and KT wants to disband their sc2 team, and want to make new game team, it might be Overwatch perhaps.
On October 05 2016 10:23 Nostromo1 wrote: Okay now after this statement from Hydra I'm actually starting to get pissed off at Hydras mindset and thinking regarding this situation he talks about how much this tournament would mean to him cause it would be the last major event before his military service probably the greatest event regardless of result lets be honest but then begins to defend his decision for wedding dates and planning and makes this quote "As I believed so much that it could've been figured and I could've played it" buddy assumption is the mother of all fuck ups just stupid he would assume hey we'll figure it out if it becomes a problem but hey no worries. That is basically the attitude he took and it shows by his statement he makes a case for we planned the wedding a year ago and ASSUMED that Blizzcon would be at the beginning of November cause of past history. Hey here's a good piece of information history is HISTORY it does not indicate exact dates for future events yes it may set a precedent for predictable time frames but it should have been a time frame you completely avoided when it came to planning your wedding. This whole thing just irks me all sorts of way I am big Hydra supporter and to see this play out the way it has is more than distasteful to say the least the logic just doesn't make sense here.
You don't sound like a very good Hydra supporter to me.
Why because I am upset that he planned his wedding within the assumed Blizzcon time frame lol something that common sense would make you not plan your wedding anywhere near that time frame? What is a "good" Hydra supporter supposed to say congrats happy you won't be at Blizzcon? I am just voicing my frustration regarding this whole situation that's what a "normal" fan imo would do when one of their favorite players doesn't show up when they have a seat but hey I guess I hate Hydra by your definition.
Hey if playing at Blizzcon is more important to you that's cool too. But most people would think their marriage is more important, Hydra included apparently.
On October 04 2016 23:00 outscar wrote: Even Lilbow made better decision by far and got his 5k for 16th place. No words...
Gain the derision of the internet for 5k, OR have the adoration of the internet AND more importantly, marry the love of your life. Hmm u right, lilbow made the better decision
or you know, just not say that you practiced lotv beta when you're going to one of the biggest events in the year
and either way, love is nice and all but turning down $10k isn't an easy decision. most people in this world wouldn't do it. i sure as hell wouldn't mind a cool $10k in my bank account.
On October 05 2016 14:44 cha0 wrote: Damn, most of the comments in this thread... They're the real reason this game is dying. Worst 'fans' I've ever seen.
Big quote, I've always heard that SC has one of the warmest communities, but it sure does not appear from TL...
On October 05 2016 14:44 cha0 wrote: Damn, most of the comments in this thread... They're the real reason this game is dying. Worst 'fans' I've ever seen.
Big quote, I've always heard that SC has one of the warmest communities, but it sure does not appear from TL...
On October 05 2016 14:44 cha0 wrote: Damn, most of the comments in this thread... They're the real reason this game is dying. Worst 'fans' I've ever seen.
Big quote, I've always heard that SC has one of the warmest communities, but it sure does not appear from TL...
TL has been pretty sour as of late
yep amount of clueless haters on TL has never been as big as it is today
You can tell there are quite a few youngins in this thread by some of the comments. As several people already chimed in, you can't just change a wedding date that easily. You'll likely lose more than 10k and piss off a ton of people especially those who have tried to take time off work and bought plane tickets etc...
Not to mention pissing off your wife, her parents etc... and these things are booked a year in advance so you won't be able to move it till a year later (maybe slightly earlier if you're lucky)... Also, weddings and love is more important than playing several games at Blizzcon...
Oh man that's a depressing edit. He's retiring too? What a shame that life gets in the way of ambitions.
@BigFan Yeah canceling the wedding is crazy talk and no one who had put their payment down on one would consider it for a chance to win the money back and maybe some more. And all the excellent points you made about the inconvenience and cost of everyone involved, not just the bride and groom. The real hard question is - Did he think he had a chance of attending when he scheduled his wedding a year ago? He probably held it in the realm of possibilities but his willingness to cut it fine, and travel in the immediate days after the wedding, tell more than words.
All that aside, he wisely chose life after Starcraft rather than to chase a dream of being a champion.
On October 06 2016 00:35 BigFan wrote: You can tell there are quite a few youngins in this thread by some of the comments. As several people already chimed in, you can't just change a wedding date that easily. You'll likely lose more than 10k and piss off a ton of people especially those who have tried to take time off work and bought plane tickets etc...
Not to mention pissing off your wife, her parents etc... and these things are booked a year in advance so you won't be able to move it till a year later (maybe slightly earlier if you're lucky)... Also, weddings and love is more important than playing several games at Blizzcon...
you know in advance when blizzcon is really
say "youngins" and "love" all you want, there aren't many people in this world who are going to scoff at $10k. it's a lot of money, not something you can really scoff at unless you're very well off, lol
sure wedding takes precedent over blizzcon but then it's not like people tell their boss to cut off 1/5 of their yearly salary so they can go to a wedding either. that's more or less what happened here
I don't think Hydra should have canceled/moved his wedding date for Blizzcon.
I was wondering why he would schedule these two incredibly important dates so close to each other. However, as his statement already explained along with other comments about setting dates, I can sort of understand the conflict.
Still, why would you even try to set your wedding date even remotely close to a forecasted Blizzcon date? I mean, wouldn't you want to practice a shit ton before Blizzcon? I just wonder why he didn't set the date a few weeks after Blizzcon. I do recall someone saying its tradition to set a Korean wedding near the beginning or end of the month, but for 10k I would tell tradition to fuck off.
On October 06 2016 00:35 BigFan wrote: You can tell there are quite a few youngins in this thread by some of the comments. As several people already chimed in, you can't just change a wedding date that easily. You'll likely lose more than 10k and piss off a ton of people especially those who have tried to take time off work and bought plane tickets etc...
Not to mention pissing off your wife, her parents etc... and these things are booked a year in advance so you won't be able to move it till a year later (maybe slightly earlier if you're lucky)... Also, weddings and love is more important than playing several games at Blizzcon...
you know in advance when blizzcon is really
say "youngins" and "love" all you want, there aren't many people in this world who are going to scoff at $10k. it's a lot of money, not something you can really scoff at unless you're very well off, lol
sure wedding takes precedent over blizzcon but then it's not like people tell their boss to cut off 1/5 of their yearly salary so they can go to a wedding either. that's more or less what happened here
Based on the OP, he set the wedding to be before blizzcon so that he can get married then go there but it didn't work out. Not much you can do:
Last year and two year ago, BlizzCon started on the Nov 1st, so I thought it would be fine to book my wedding on the 29th(+time difference between kr and usa so would arrive on the 29th.), But the schedule was set differently this year, and I know that's no one's fault.
I think you are still missing the main point so I'll reiterate: potential >$10k loss due to rescheduling+pissed off family/guests+rebooking time(include reinvitations) >>> $10k+blizzcon
I'm not even sure what's there to debate. Most people who have either had a wedding or looked into the costs would realize what Hydra did was perfectly reasonable. No one is saying that 10k is a small amount. Rather, it's a pretty large amount, however, given the circumstances, it was the best choice. I'd rather lose 10k and make lifelong good relationships with family and friends than piss on all that just for money. 10k will disappear, good relationship won't as easily.
Also, based on another poster wrote, looks like he's been contemplating retiring since the start of 2016 and hasn't practiced much so he probably didn't think he'll make it far so less incentive to even go but that's aside from the main point.
On October 06 2016 00:35 BigFan wrote: You can tell there are quite a few youngins in this thread by some of the comments. As several people already chimed in, you can't just change a wedding date that easily. You'll likely lose more than 10k and piss off a ton of people especially those who have tried to take time off work and bought plane tickets etc...
Not to mention pissing off your wife, her parents etc... and these things are booked a year in advance so you won't be able to move it till a year later (maybe slightly earlier if you're lucky)... Also, weddings and love is more important than playing several games at Blizzcon...
you know in advance when blizzcon is really
say "youngins" and "love" all you want, there aren't many people in this world who are going to scoff at $10k. it's a lot of money, not something you can really scoff at unless you're very well off, lol
sure wedding takes precedent over blizzcon but then it's not like people tell their boss to cut off 1/5 of their yearly salary so they can go to a wedding either. that's more or less what happened here
And as said many times by people old enough to be married, wedding planning is very difficult. If that's the best date they can get, $10k is an acceptable cost. If SK taxes are like France's, that's $2-4k maybe?
In many Asian cultures, bride's family pays for the wedding. You want to piss off somebody who's paying $30-40k for your wedding to earn $10k before taxes? Yeeesh
SC2 is dying in Korea. It's time for him to move on in his life. And family connections play a large part in getting a good job afterwards.
Well.. if he just decided to retire then it sounds reasonable. But i never understood people's "passion" for weddings. Why do you even need that? Want to live with someone? Just do it. No need for announcements.
And as said many times by people old enough to be married, wedding planning is very difficult. If that's the best date they can get, $10k is an acceptable cost. If SK taxes are like France's, that's $2-4k maybe?
Depending on how much he earns something between 20-35% of the money goes to taxes (don't know if they have to pay for healthcare or something similar as well).
Not to forget that the travel to Blizzcon also takes away some of the 10K$.
My wedding with 100 people did already cost around 5K EUR and I think our wedding was probably fairly cheap. (The Caterer was a friend of the family so lower prices, we bought the beverages ourselves, etc.pp.) Ok, things like dress and ring you have anyway no matter if you move it or not, but the rest is normally not fully refundable, or not refundable at all.
And believe me, if you ever plan your wedding just slightly bigger than just grab something to eat together with your parents afterwards, you will never ever move the wedding date just a month or two before the wedding!
On October 06 2016 03:23 eviltomahawk wrote: Y'all kids need to get married or get involved in wedding planning
my parents had a total of 4 people at their wedding. themselves and two other people to sign papers as witnesses or whatever it is
my parents never had the time or money to do those ridiculous, expensive, formal and useless events. however, my parents are still married 30 some years later and aren't divorced like many people these days
maybe it's a cultural thing to blow stupid sums of money on a senseless ceremony, but my parents could never afford that.
so you tell me :/
edit: of course if he's going to forgo $10k to save $30k, then yes that makes sense. though to me spending that much on a wedding is wasteful and unnecessary. different cultures, different money. me personally i'll never be a position to splurge $30k over something as hollow as a wedding ceremony.
On October 06 2016 20:27 Incognoto wrote: maybe it's a cultural thing to blow stupid sums of money on a senseless ceremony, but my parents could never afford that.
But they would have had they afforded it? I know I wouldn't, but I'm a really bad consumer anyway.
On October 06 2016 20:27 Incognoto wrote: maybe it's a cultural thing to blow stupid sums of money on a senseless ceremony, but my parents could never afford that.
But they would have had they afforded it? I know I wouldn't, but I'm a really bad consumer anyway.
they probably COULD afford it if they had really wanted to, but it would have required making sacrifices in other areas which they weren't willing to go through. i'm sure that refusing to cash $10k (which is a ridiculous sum of money) would have been one of those.
it's not like anyone cared. weddings are supposed to be meaningful for two people, fuck everyone else really.
On October 06 2016 03:23 eviltomahawk wrote: Y'all kids need to get married or get involved in wedding planning
my parents had a total of 4 people at their wedding. themselves and two other people to sign papers as witnesses or whatever it is
my parents never had the time or money to do those ridiculous, expensive, formal and useless events. however, my parents are still married 30 some years later and aren't divorced like many people these days
maybe it's a cultural thing to blow stupid sums of money on a senseless ceremony, but my parents could never afford that.
so you tell me :/
edit: of course if he's going to forgo $10k to save $30k, then yes that makes sense. though to me spending that much on a wedding is wasteful and unnecessary. different cultures, different money. me personally i'll never be a position to splurge $30k over something as hollow as a wedding ceremony.
Even if you do have a "big" wedding 30k is ridiculous IMO. My sister's wedding last year didn't cost anywhere near that and they had a wedding with the works. 100 invites, dinner, other catering, open bar with waitstaff, a dj, live saxophonist (to improvise over the dj set, the effect was great), professional photographer, gifts for the guests. They planned and organised everything themselves. It was one of the best parties I've ever been too, which I can't say about too many weddings.
On October 06 2016 03:23 eviltomahawk wrote: Y'all kids need to get married or get involved in wedding planning
my parents had a total of 4 people at their wedding. themselves and two other people to sign papers as witnesses or whatever it is
my parents never had the time or money to do those ridiculous, expensive, formal and useless events. however, my parents are still married 30 some years later and aren't divorced like many people these days
maybe it's a cultural thing to blow stupid sums of money on a senseless ceremony, but my parents could never afford that.
so you tell me :/
edit: of course if he's going to forgo $10k to save $30k, then yes that makes sense. though to me spending that much on a wedding is wasteful and unnecessary. different cultures, different money. me personally i'll never be a position to splurge $30k over something as hollow as a wedding ceremony.
You don't need to spend ton of money to have a good or big wedding. Biggest point for saying no to blizzcon was surely not of monetary reasons.
His friends and relatives all planned to come to this date. You can't put a value to time.
On October 06 2016 03:23 eviltomahawk wrote: Y'all kids need to get married or get involved in wedding planning
my parents had a total of 4 people at their wedding. themselves and two other people to sign papers as witnesses or whatever it is
my parents never had the time or money to do those ridiculous, expensive, formal and useless events. however, my parents are still married 30 some years later and aren't divorced like many people these days
maybe it's a cultural thing to blow stupid sums of money on a senseless ceremony, but my parents could never afford that.
so you tell me :/
edit: of course if he's going to forgo $10k to save $30k, then yes that makes sense. though to me spending that much on a wedding is wasteful and unnecessary. different cultures, different money. me personally i'll never be a position to splurge $30k over something as hollow as a wedding ceremony.
You don't need to spend ton of money to have a good or big wedding. Biggest point for saying no to blizzcon was surely not of monetary reasons.
His friends and relatives all planned to come to this date. You can't put a value to time.
could've just delayed it for a month (aka planned it for december) and pocketed that juicy $10k
<_<
but eh, i'm not hydra's mother, he does what he wants!
On October 06 2016 03:23 eviltomahawk wrote: Y'all kids need to get married or get involved in wedding planning
my parents had a total of 4 people at their wedding. themselves and two other people to sign papers as witnesses or whatever it is
my parents never had the time or money to do those ridiculous, expensive, formal and useless events. however, my parents are still married 30 some years later and aren't divorced like many people these days
maybe it's a cultural thing to blow stupid sums of money on a senseless ceremony, but my parents could never afford that.
so you tell me :/
I got married with 2 guests that day and a small party with friends on another day. Did cost less than 1.000 bucks.
Then again, neither my wife nor me would ever want those crazy big planned weddings. And with every one of those we attend, we become even happier with our decision.
On October 06 2016 03:23 eviltomahawk wrote: Y'all kids need to get married or get involved in wedding planning
my parents had a total of 4 people at their wedding. themselves and two other people to sign papers as witnesses or whatever it is
my parents never had the time or money to do those ridiculous, expensive, formal and useless events. however, my parents are still married 30 some years later and aren't divorced like many people these days
maybe it's a cultural thing to blow stupid sums of money on a senseless ceremony, but my parents could never afford that.
so you tell me :/
I got married with 2 guests that day and a small party with friends on another day. Did cost less than 1.000 bucks.
Then again, neither my wife nor me would ever want those crazy big planned weddings. And with every one of those we attend, we become even happier with our decision.
My sister is having one of those big crazy weddings in February. I would never do something nearly as elaborate as her but hey it's what she wants and she's ok with spending the money.
All down to preference I say. They do say it's more rewarding to spend money on experiences rather than things!
On October 06 2016 03:23 eviltomahawk wrote: Y'all kids need to get married or get involved in wedding planning
edit: of course if he's going to forgo $10k to save $30k, then yes that makes sense. though to me spending that much on a wedding is wasteful and unnecessary. different cultures, different money. me personally i'll never be a position to splurge $30k over something as hollow as a wedding ceremony.
On October 06 2016 03:23 eviltomahawk wrote: Y'all kids need to get married or get involved in wedding planning
my parents had a total of 4 people at their wedding. themselves and two other people to sign papers as witnesses or whatever it is
my parents never had the time or money to do those ridiculous, expensive, formal and useless events. however, my parents are still married 30 some years later and aren't divorced like many people these days
maybe it's a cultural thing to blow stupid sums of money on a senseless ceremony, but my parents could never afford that.
so you tell me :/
I got married with 2 guests that day and a small party with friends on another day. Did cost less than 1.000 bucks.
Then again, neither my wife nor me would ever want those crazy big planned weddings. And with every one of those we attend, we become even happier with our decision.
My sister is having one of those big crazy weddings in February. I would never do something nearly as elaborate as her but hey it's what she wants and she's ok with spending the money.
All down to preference I say. They do say it's more rewarding to spend money on experiences rather than things!
Just try to remember those experiences. My wedding I got so drunk I forgot half of the reception. Our guests had a good laugh at my inebriated expense. Glad I don't remember it though, because the play-by-play reports was rather embarassing.
On October 06 2016 03:23 eviltomahawk wrote: Y'all kids need to get married or get involved in wedding planning
my parents had a total of 4 people at their wedding. themselves and two other people to sign papers as witnesses or whatever it is
my parents never had the time or money to do those ridiculous, expensive, formal and useless events. however, my parents are still married 30 some years later and aren't divorced like many people these days
maybe it's a cultural thing to blow stupid sums of money on a senseless ceremony, but my parents could never afford that.
so you tell me :/
I got married with 2 guests that day and a small party with friends on another day. Did cost less than 1.000 bucks.
Then again, neither my wife nor me would ever want those crazy big planned weddings. And with every one of those we attend, we become even happier with our decision.
My sister is having one of those big crazy weddings in February. I would never do something nearly as elaborate as her but hey it's what she wants and she's ok with spending the money.
All down to preference I say. They do say it's more rewarding to spend money on experiences rather than things!
Just try to remember those experiences. My wedding I got so drunk I forgot half of the reception. Our guests had a good laugh at my inebriated expense. Glad I don't remember it though, because the play-by-play reports was rather embarassing.
It didn't happen if you can't remember it right?
A motto to live by. Unless there's video evidence. Then you're screwed.
Another one bites the dust, and another one gone, and another one gone, another bites the dust. WTB Koreans back into SC2... at this rate Korean starcraft scene will die due to lack of new entry...
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
How much would you give up for love?
Ultimatums kill relationships.
An ultimatum was likely issued by this female ("me or blizzcon"). If so, I feel really bad for hydra.
speculation is a funny thing
Why is it more likely that "this female" is responsible than Hydra just places more value on his wedding than on Blizzcon?
Because sexism.
It's such an absurd comment besides. Literally the only thing we have to go by is that Hydra isn't attending Blizzcon. There is no telling if he was reluctant to cancel or not, if he was the one most eager or not, if his wife-to-be even actually gave a shit (I grant it's highly unlikely she didn't, but still).
As much as I rooted for Neeb to win Dreamhack Austin, I am kind of glad now that Hydra was able to win a tournament and have some great finishes in his last year.(for now?) as a progamer.
I don't think I ever accused Hydra's fiance of the conflict. I just questioned their scheduling decisions.
Regarding females placing higher value in weddings compared to males, its just from experience and my own stereotypes.
I've gone to many weddings, and spoken to the grooms and brides. Including my wedding, the grooms are rarely involved in all the minute details about the wedding. And if there is an objection or input from the groom, its usually relegated to price. So that indicates, at least to me, that females put a higher value/importance to grand/elaborate weddings.
I've only come across one groom that planned the entire wedding, one wedding of approximately 20 weddings I participated in. Does that mean Hydra is also the exception? It very well could be. Judging from some Koreans saying Hydra was losing his passion anyways, perhaps he did value his wedding much more than Blizzcon. I've known a few wives that will put their husband's interests before their own, and if in Hydra's position, might have encouraged them to play at Blizzcon. It would be cool if Hydra's fiance was like that.
I don't think life is black and white, and I know that exceptions and rules are always muddied by blurry lines. That said, I'm still disappointed in Hydra. As a fan, I wanted to see him perform.
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
How much would you give up for love?
Ultimatums kill relationships.
An ultimatum was likely issued by this female ("me or blizzcon"). If so, I feel really bad for hydra.
speculation is a funny thing
Why is it more likely that "this female" is responsible than Hydra just places more value on his wedding than on Blizzcon?
Because sexism.
It's such an absurd comment besides. Literally the only thing we have to go by is that Hydra isn't attending Blizzcon. There is no telling if he was reluctant to cancel or not, if he was the one most eager or not, if his wife-to-be even actually gave a shit (I grant it's highly unlikely she didn't, but still).
People wildly speculation about motives without any information whatsoever? On this site? Never. :p
On October 04 2016 11:06 sc2chronic wrote: lol wat? turn down 10k just to show up......
How much would you give up for love?
Ultimatums kill relationships.
An ultimatum was likely issued by this female ("me or blizzcon"). If so, I feel really bad for hydra.
speculation is a funny thing
Why is it more likely that "this female" is responsible than Hydra just places more value on his wedding than on Blizzcon?
Because sexism.
It's such an absurd comment besides. Literally the only thing we have to go by is that Hydra isn't attending Blizzcon. There is no telling if he was reluctant to cancel or not, if he was the one most eager or not, if his wife-to-be even actually gave a shit (I grant it's highly unlikely she didn't, but still).
People wildly speculation about motives without any information whatsoever? On this site? Never. :p
Violet won the toss, so he gets 7th seed. Elazer is in 8th.
Coinflip makes sense though since theoretically someone could prefer one group to the other and throw the matches
I don't know. Stats, Nerchio, and Dark or Solar, TY, and Showtime?
I really doubt anyone would want either. I guess that's also why they did a coin toss. Both groups are equally nasty. I guess it's a question of whether you want a Korean Terran or a Korean Protoss. (That and Nerchio or Showtime).
are people seriously this clueless? weddings take months to plan. the venues and catering and food and flowers and everything all have to be booked in advance and everything needs to be coordinated. you cant just say LOLZ SCHEDULE FOR ANOTHER TIME, because you'd have to then reach out to all the vendors and venues and stuff. and stuff gets booked up in advance, so you can't just shift it a few weeks
On October 12 2016 17:35 fishjie wrote: are people seriously this clueless? weddings take months to plan. the venues and catering and food and flowers and everything all have to be booked in advance and everything needs to be coordinated. you cant just say LOLZ SCHEDULE FOR ANOTHER TIME, because you'd have to then reach out to all the vendors and venues and stuff. and stuff gets booked up in advance, so you can't just shift it a few weeks
hahhaa So true! Even so, just finding a date that is ok with BOTH familly is a huuuge work :'D.
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