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http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=236&aid=0000148168
Alex 'Neeb' Sunderhaft made a new history. Alex won KeSPA cup, being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years.
On Oct. 3rd in Nexon Arena, he swept Trap 4-0 and won KeSPA Cup finals. It is known that it is his first winning - he've won 2nd place in IEM Shanghai and DH Austin.
- You won the tournament. How do you feel?
Good. I'm very happy to have my first winning in Korea.
- Did you expect you'd do this well in KeSPA Cup?
▶ I have a tournament in Toronto and I only cared about that tourney; I didn' know I'd win KeSPA Cup.
- Do you feel confident in PvP?
▶ I established my own build and then got confidence in PvP.
- You're so good at controlling Disruptors. Are there any secrets?
▶ It's my style in NA ladder. I've used it for one year and I become good at it.
- Did you expect that it'd be 4-0?
▶ Personally, I think Trap is not as a good player as TY. So when Trap beat TY I expected I'd make a clean sweep.
- You didn't play against Terran. Isn't that depressing?
▶ Since I'm bad at playing against Terran, it's good to me.
- Now you are expecting Snute, Zest and Patience in Blizzcon.
▶ I love to face two Protoss in my group. However, there's a Zerg. Since Snute's playing is very hard to counter, I'd say I'm not that happy.
- It was your first Korean tournament.
▶ I was very happy to win against Koreans in Korean tournament.
- Any words?
▶ Bring it on, Protoss! (laugh)
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On October 03 2016 22:36 Thouhastmail wrote:
- Did you expect that it'd be 4-0?
▶ Personally, I think Trap is not as a good player as TY. So when Trap beat TY I expected I'd make a clean sweep.
'Dat confidence! Hope his PvT well get as godly as his PvP and solid as his PvZ.
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ha ha some serious trash talking on Trap ^^. Although I agree, it would have been way more interesting vs TY.
If the Blizzcon group is set to be that, I can really see a chance for both foreigners to advance...
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The Purifiers have finally taken over the Daelaam.
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Congrats Neeb!
But that comment about "being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years" bugs me. Yes, it's a fact, but rather misleading. It implies that foreigners have been trying very hard for years to win tourneys in Korea and fail miserably, when that's simply not true. Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
It's like making a big deal out of Germany being the first ever European country to win the World Cup in South America (in 2014). Yes, it's a fact. But when you consider that the World Cup is held every four years and the hosts are spread out across the continents, the record-breaking feat is more down to limited chances.
Yes, what Neeb has achieved is amazing. But let's not treat it as if Haiti has just won the World Cup.
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On October 03 2016 22:57 RKC wrote:
Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
There's been more foreigners competing in Korea in SC2 than in BW despite the former only being half as old.
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On October 03 2016 23:00 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 22:57 RKC wrote:
Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
There's been more foreigners competing in Korea in SC2 than in BW despite the former only being half as old.
You're right. I kinda guess someone would point that out when I wrote it. What I had in mind was that foreigners had plenty of time to compete with Koreans in BW over the span of 10+ years, but they couldn't bridge the gap (for reasons of infrastructure support, etc.). Never mind, I should have probably edited out "(at least for SC2)".
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shut the f*** up... he beat them? ... amazing... good job!...
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can anyone please tell me who was this foreigner who won in BW before Neeb? And if there were othres before him? cheers
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On October 03 2016 23:45 djack0666 wrote:
can anyone please tell me who was this foreigner who won in BW before Neeb? And if there were othres before him? cheers
If I remember correctly then it was Grrr... http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Grrrr...
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On October 03 2016 22:57 RKC wrote:
Congrats Neeb!
But that comment about "being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years" bugs me. Yes, it's a fact, but rather misleading. It implies that foreigners have been trying very hard for years to win tourneys in Korea and fail miserably, when that's simply not true. Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
It's like making a big deal out of Germany being the first ever European country to win the World Cup in South America (in 2014). Yes, it's a fact. But when you consider that the World Cup is held every four years and the hosts are spread out across the continents, the record-breaking feat is more down to limited chances.
Yes, what Neeb has achieved is amazing. But let's not treat it as if Haiti has just won the World Cup.
I think you really underestimate how many foreigners were going to Korea in SC2's heyday. Nearly every top tier foreign player went to Korea to play in Proleague and were given seeds into the GSL, and they just had zero success. Even the "best foreigner ever," Stephano, got knocked out of the GSL in like the ro32 by Flying, who retired a couple months later because he didn't even like the game.
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On October 03 2016 22:57 RKC wrote:
Congrats Neeb!
Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
It sounds like "We could beat Koreans whenever we want. It wasn't because there's no chance."
Really, huh.
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Yes, it was Guillaume Patry indeed.
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Was this interview done in english, translated to korean, then translated back to english? cause it reads a little bit telephone-y 
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That's nuts - the last time a foreigner had accomplished this Brood War was in its infancy and in the pre-Boxer era
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On October 04 2016 00:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Was this interview done in english, translated to korean, then translated back to english? cause it reads a little bit telephone-y
Guess we found out what price he had to pay to win a korean tournament.
He didnt have to sell his soul, nay he did something else (though some would say its basically the same thing)
Neeb himself has become korean, as evidenced by his interview answers
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On October 04 2016 00:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Was this interview done in english, translated to korean, then translated back to english? cause it reads a little bit telephone-y
I guess so. but I just rendered as it is written.
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On October 04 2016 00:17 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 00:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Was this interview done in english, translated to korean, then translated back to english? cause it reads a little bit telephone-y Guess we found out what price he had to pay to win a korean tournament. He didnt have to sell his soul, nay he did something else (though some would say its basically the same thing) Neeb himself has become korean, as evidenced by his interview answers
Yes ! Hopefully next time he wins he goes all 'I wanna keep on practicing and hope to show more good results in the future'
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On October 04 2016 00:21 MyLovelyLurker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 00:17 Aocowns wrote:On October 04 2016 00:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Was this interview done in english, translated to korean, then translated back to english? cause it reads a little bit telephone-y Guess we found out what price he had to pay to win a korean tournament. He didnt have to sell his soul, nay he did something else (though some would say its basically the same thing) Neeb himself has become korean, as evidenced by his interview answers Yes ! Hopefully next time he wins he goes all 'I wanna keep on practicing and hope to show more good results in the future'
"I want to show good games to my fans so please cheer for me."
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another faceless foreigner interview zzz
at least his last words weren't a promise of good games
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I'll go ahead and say it. This is as bad as an inno interview
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darn there're so many grammar errors
I need to attend private academies
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On October 04 2016 00:11 Thouhastmail wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 22:57 RKC wrote:
Congrats Neeb!
Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
It sounds like "We could beat Koreans whenever we want. It wasn't because there's no chance." Really, huh.
No, it doesn't.
I'm not denying that there is a gap between Koreans and foreigners in StarCraft (in fact, I've consistently maintained that there was a big gap in HoTS, but the gap has been narrowed this year mainly due to the LoTV reset and its volatility).
I just take exception to the suggestion that it takes a foreigner 16 years to bridge this 'gap' - an illusory gap over an illusory period.
This 16 year 'illusory' period stretches over BW, WoL, HoTS and LoTV. All these games are similar in concept, but have nuances that benefit certain play styles over the other. So I don't feel it's right to group them all together. It's like Neeb beating Flash in LoTV, and the headlines says "Neeb beats 6-time Starleague Champion".
Yes, so in a way, I am downplaying both the 16-year Korean dominance and Neeb's miraculous achievement here. Sorry to be a downer! 
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So happy for Neeb : )
Bring it on KRs!
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On October 04 2016 00:10 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 22:57 RKC wrote:
Congrats Neeb!
But that comment about "being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years" bugs me. Yes, it's a fact, but rather misleading. It implies that foreigners have been trying very hard for years to win tourneys in Korea and fail miserably, when that's simply not true. Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
It's like making a big deal out of Germany being the first ever European country to win the World Cup in South America (in 2014). Yes, it's a fact. But when you consider that the World Cup is held every four years and the hosts are spread out across the continents, the record-breaking feat is more down to limited chances.
Yes, what Neeb has achieved is amazing. But let's not treat it as if Haiti has just won the World Cup. I think you really underestimate how many foreigners were going to Korea in SC2's heyday. Nearly every top tier foreign player went to Korea to play in Proleague and were given seeds into the GSL, and they just had zero success. Even the "best foreigner ever," Stephano, got knocked out of the GSL in like the ro32 by Flying, who retired a couple months later because he didn't even like the game.
He got knocked out by Innovation who was just about to go TvZ killer mode lol.
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On October 04 2016 06:44 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 00:10 Lunareste wrote:On October 03 2016 22:57 RKC wrote:
Congrats Neeb!
But that comment about "being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years" bugs me. Yes, it's a fact, but rather misleading. It implies that foreigners have been trying very hard for years to win tourneys in Korea and fail miserably, when that's simply not true. Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
It's like making a big deal out of Germany being the first ever European country to win the World Cup in South America (in 2014). Yes, it's a fact. But when you consider that the World Cup is held every four years and the hosts are spread out across the continents, the record-breaking feat is more down to limited chances.
Yes, what Neeb has achieved is amazing. But let's not treat it as if Haiti has just won the World Cup. I think you really underestimate how many foreigners were going to Korea in SC2's heyday. Nearly every top tier foreign player went to Korea to play in Proleague and were given seeds into the GSL, and they just had zero success. Even the "best foreigner ever," Stephano, got knocked out of the GSL in like the ro32 by Flying, who retired a couple months later because he didn't even like the game. He got knocked out by Innovation who was just about to go TvZ killer mode lol.
Wasn't it during the last GSL of Wings when BL/infestor was still a thing?
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On October 04 2016 06:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 06:44 Luolis wrote:On October 04 2016 00:10 Lunareste wrote:On October 03 2016 22:57 RKC wrote:
Congrats Neeb!
But that comment about "being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years" bugs me. Yes, it's a fact, but rather misleading. It implies that foreigners have been trying very hard for years to win tourneys in Korea and fail miserably, when that's simply not true. Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
It's like making a big deal out of Germany being the first ever European country to win the World Cup in South America (in 2014). Yes, it's a fact. But when you consider that the World Cup is held every four years and the hosts are spread out across the continents, the record-breaking feat is more down to limited chances.
Yes, what Neeb has achieved is amazing. But let's not treat it as if Haiti has just won the World Cup. I think you really underestimate how many foreigners were going to Korea in SC2's heyday. Nearly every top tier foreign player went to Korea to play in Proleague and were given seeds into the GSL, and they just had zero success. Even the "best foreigner ever," Stephano, got knocked out of the GSL in like the ro32 by Flying, who retired a couple months later because he didn't even like the game. He got knocked out by Innovation who was just about to go TvZ killer mode lol. Wasn't it during the last GSL of Wings when BL/infestor was still a thing?
Indeed it was, but immediately on the first Hots gsl season Innovation just went ham right? That's why i said "was about to go"
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On October 04 2016 06:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 06:44 Luolis wrote:On October 04 2016 00:10 Lunareste wrote:On October 03 2016 22:57 RKC wrote:
Congrats Neeb!
But that comment about "being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years" bugs me. Yes, it's a fact, but rather misleading. It implies that foreigners have been trying very hard for years to win tourneys in Korea and fail miserably, when that's simply not true. Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
It's like making a big deal out of Germany being the first ever European country to win the World Cup in South America (in 2014). Yes, it's a fact. But when you consider that the World Cup is held every four years and the hosts are spread out across the continents, the record-breaking feat is more down to limited chances.
Yes, what Neeb has achieved is amazing. But let's not treat it as if Haiti has just won the World Cup. I think you really underestimate how many foreigners were going to Korea in SC2's heyday. Nearly every top tier foreign player went to Korea to play in Proleague and were given seeds into the GSL, and they just had zero success. Even the "best foreigner ever," Stephano, got knocked out of the GSL in like the ro32 by Flying, who retired a couple months later because he didn't even like the game. He got knocked out by Innovation who was just about to go TvZ killer mode lol. Wasn't it during the last GSL of Wings when BL/infestor was still a thing?
innovation still had the best tvz during this time
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Nice try. But i think you'll find that Mvp had the best every matchup at all times.
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On October 04 2016 08:26 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 06:47 Elentos wrote:On October 04 2016 06:44 Luolis wrote:On October 04 2016 00:10 Lunareste wrote:On October 03 2016 22:57 RKC wrote:
Congrats Neeb!
But that comment about "being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years" bugs me. Yes, it's a fact, but rather misleading. It implies that foreigners have been trying very hard for years to win tourneys in Korea and fail miserably, when that's simply not true. Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
It's like making a big deal out of Germany being the first ever European country to win the World Cup in South America (in 2014). Yes, it's a fact. But when you consider that the World Cup is held every four years and the hosts are spread out across the continents, the record-breaking feat is more down to limited chances.
Yes, what Neeb has achieved is amazing. But let's not treat it as if Haiti has just won the World Cup. I think you really underestimate how many foreigners were going to Korea in SC2's heyday. Nearly every top tier foreign player went to Korea to play in Proleague and were given seeds into the GSL, and they just had zero success. Even the "best foreigner ever," Stephano, got knocked out of the GSL in like the ro32 by Flying, who retired a couple months later because he didn't even like the game. He got knocked out by Innovation who was just about to go TvZ killer mode lol. Wasn't it during the last GSL of Wings when BL/infestor was still a thing? innovation still had the best tvz during this time
yes, and that's related to the fact that there were two terrans in semis and only zergs in the final
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Congratulations to Neeb, the first foreigner to win big tournament in Korea since..... Giyom?
And second, my first reaction when I read title: What?
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On October 04 2016 00:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Was this interview done in english, translated to korean, then translated back to english? cause it reads a little bit telephone-y
KR Journalist asks question -> KR translator translates to EN to Neeb -> Neeb answers in EN -> KR translator translates to KR to Journalists -> KR Journalists paraphrase on laptop the translation.
so yeah these are very simple and don't represent what neeb really said
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On October 04 2016 12:39 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 00:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Was this interview done in english, translated to korean, then translated back to english? cause it reads a little bit telephone-y KR Journalist asks question -> KR translator translates to EN to Neeb -> Neeb answers in EN -> KR translator translates to KR to Journalists -> KR Journalists paraphrase on laptop the translation. so yeah these are very simple and don't represent what neeb really said
It was great being the only person in the GSL press room with an actual audio recorder
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TLADT24920 Posts
Congrats to Neeb. Interview wasn't really that insightful lol. Also, this is a bizzare statement to make. Would've made more sense if they stated 6 years (since SCII's inception):
"Alex won KeSPA cup, being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years"
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On October 04 2016 13:41 BigFan wrote:
Congrats to Neeb. Interview wasn't really that insightful lol. Also, this is a bizzare statement to make. Would've made more sense if they stated 6 years (since SCII's inception):
"Alex won KeSPA cup, being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years"
They are including SCBW as well where Grrr won a long time ago.
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Hopefully we'll get a more interesting interview later. i'm sure he has tons of people asking for interviews since he's gotten so much mainstream attention being the first American and all.
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On October 04 2016 15:42 lestye wrote:
Hopefully we'll get a more interesting interview later. i'm sure he has tons of people asking for interviews since he's gotten so much mainstream attention being the first American and all.
I'm sure TL will do one. Being a faceless korean it probably won't be very different from this one though.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On October 03 2016 22:57 RKC wrote:
Congrats Neeb!
But that comment about "being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years" bugs me. Yes, it's a fact, but rather misleading. It implies that foreigners have been trying very hard for years to win tourneys in Korea and fail miserably, when that's simply not true. Foreigners just haven't had many chances to compete in Korea (at least for SC2), hence the low probabilities of them winning all this while.
It's like making a big deal out of Germany being the first ever European country to win the World Cup in South America (in 2014). Yes, it's a fact. But when you consider that the World Cup is held every four years and the hosts are spread out across the continents, the record-breaking feat is more down to limited chances.
Yes, what Neeb has achieved is amazing. But let's not treat it as if Haiti has just won the World Cup.
It's a little bit of an overstatement but not THAT much of one. A ton of non-koreans have played in Korean tournaments and very few even came close to this.
I started making a list of all the non-koreans who've played in korean tournaments but I gave up because I couldn't remember everyone.
I only caught the finals (and last game of TY vs Trap), but damn Neeb played amazing. PvP looks incredibly tough to control and he was just on point all the time.
Watching these games really makes me want to play again, but I know if I play like 5 games, get placed in gold because I have no MMR anymore, I'm gonna be stuck grinding ladder games until I'm masters again, and I dont have time for that right now haha 
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TLADT24920 Posts
On October 04 2016 15:12 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 13:41 BigFan wrote:
Congrats to Neeb. Interview wasn't really that insightful lol. Also, this is a bizzare statement to make. Would've made more sense if they stated 6 years (since SCII's inception):
"Alex won KeSPA cup, being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years" They are including SCBW as well where Grrr won a long time ago.
yep I'm aware of that but the games are vastly different so it makes sense to only write 6 years, not 16. Winning a BW game is a lot different than an SCII one so I would never put them in the same boat.
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Good. I'm very happy to have my first winning in Korea.
Lol this is underwhelming
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On October 04 2016 23:40 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 15:12 Parrek wrote:On October 04 2016 13:41 BigFan wrote:
Congrats to Neeb. Interview wasn't really that insightful lol. Also, this is a bizzare statement to make. Would've made more sense if they stated 6 years (since SCII's inception):
"Alex won KeSPA cup, being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years" They are including SCBW as well where Grrr won a long time ago. yep I'm aware of that but the games are vastly different so it makes sense to only write 6 years, not 16. Winning a BW game is a lot different than an SCII one so I would never put them in the same boat.
I don't see the problem with mentioning it, some people even managed to win stuff in both games.
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On October 05 2016 00:17 rotta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 23:40 BigFan wrote:On October 04 2016 15:12 Parrek wrote:On October 04 2016 13:41 BigFan wrote:
Congrats to Neeb. Interview wasn't really that insightful lol. Also, this is a bizzare statement to make. Would've made more sense if they stated 6 years (since SCII's inception):
"Alex won KeSPA cup, being the first non-Korean player who won Korean tournament in 16 years" They are including SCBW as well where Grrr won a long time ago. yep I'm aware of that but the games are vastly different so it makes sense to only write 6 years, not 16. Winning a BW game is a lot different than an SCII one so I would never put them in the same boat. I don't see the problem with mentioning it, some people even managed to win stuff in both games.
The games are totally different in every aspect aside from name and some units. The announcement makes it sound like he won a tournament in the same game and that's not the case. It's similar to back when EGTL played in PL and Thorzain won a game against Classic. Basically, I'm not against the hype behind the win but the article should specify that the last foreigner win was back in SCII's predecessor, BW for clarity.
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EPT
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