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With regards to G2A, it's up to Blizzard to step in and not allow them to be affiliated with any organisation that partakes in Blizzard events, just like Riot did in league of Legends, many teams had to drop sponsorship from their clothing range for Riot events.
That is the only way to eradicate them or otherwise anyone who has ever casted or played at a Dreamhack is unethical by some peoples reasoning as G2A sponsor these events and therefore these people are benefiting by proxy.
TB worked on Dreamhack Austin and is very open critic of G2A and their practices, are you saying nor he or any other caster/player should work at or partake in Dreamhack events???
As previously stated it needs direct involvement from Blizzard to ensure G2A has no place at any Blizzard event. Whilst personal sponsorship of a person/ team/ company may reflect poorly on them as entities, how does it reflect on the whole scene that G2A is still affiliated with Dreamhack and therefore the whole foreign scene including all your favourite (non Korean) players/casters.
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Sad to see dodgy people successfully scamming the hard earned money of progamers.
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On August 04 2016 21:46 Ve5pa wrote:
TB worked on Dreamhack Austin and is very open critic of G2A and their practices, are you saying nor he or any other caster/player should work at or partake in Dreamhack events???
To be frank, yes. If you don't concur with something, at all, the best you can do is seize support/not participate to demonstrate your stance on that particular topic.
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On August 04 2016 16:43 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 05:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Personally can't stand Rifkin either. Not a good casting voice, not very respectful, not particularly good at game analysis... it'd be nice to see him step away from casting for good and do the behind the scenes work. His contribution to this discussion couldn't be worth less.
People should reserve their harshest criticisms for malicious, fraudulent liars that intentionally rob players of prize money. Rifkin is flawed but he is a 100% ethical operator. He adds a lot to the scene even with his flaws and if he likes broadcasting... its his channel. Rifkin gets a lot worse after he has been on the air for 8+ hours. There is a reason why real broadcasters almost never on air for 8+ hours. People track and record the stuff he says when he is overtired and so he gets a bad rap for it. He's apparently unwilling to drop G2A as sponsor and doesn't see what's wrong with it, so I really wouldn't call him 100% ethical.
good point. i stand corrected. he is being a bit of a weiner by standing by his G2A sponsorship cash.
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You don't get it, if shit looks straight, then it's clearly straight, right?
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On August 05 2016 00:17 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 21:46 Ve5pa wrote:
TB worked on Dreamhack Austin and is very open critic of G2A and their practices, are you saying nor he or any other caster/player should work at or partake in Dreamhack events??? To be frank, yes. If you don't concur with something, at all, the best you can do is seize support/not participate to demonstrate your stance on that particular topic.
To be honest I agree with you, but in which case the entire western SC2 scene is tainted by dirty money, well at least all who have been to a Dreamhack in the last couple of years. But rather than spread hate for virtually all the casters/players and certainly not single anyone out (i.e. Rifkin, getting hate for G2A sponsor, all are just as bad, even those that contradict themselves, it doesn't matter how much you happen to like people or not.) Surely the best thing to do would be to state to all tournament organisers that partake in affiliated Blizzard events that G2A is an unwelcome sponsor.
Clearly Blizzard who put up prize money for said events doesn't give a flying fuck about the ethical practice of company's such as G2A which is a real shame for all the people who have been conned or ripped off by G2A. I wonder if their is anyone left at Blizzard from the Blizzard North days who remembers the struggles the smaller company's go through. It seems not at the moment, or they simply just don't care. Take the wow sub's and buy more yachts, pump out crap expansions, don't fix servers but buy more yachts....
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On August 04 2016 16:43 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 05:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Personally can't stand Rifkin either. Not a good casting voice, not very respectful, not particularly good at game analysis... it'd be nice to see him step away from casting for good and do the behind the scenes work. His contribution to this discussion couldn't be worth less.
People should reserve their harshest criticisms for malicious, fraudulent liars that intentionally rob players of prize money. Rifkin is flawed but he is a 100% ethical operator. He adds a lot to the scene even with his flaws and if he likes broadcasting... its his channel. Rifkin gets a lot worse after he has been on the air for 8+ hours. There is a reason why real broadcasters almost never on air for 8+ hours. People track and record the stuff he says when he is overtired and so he gets a bad rap for it. He's apparently unwilling to drop G2A as sponsor and doesn't see what's wrong with it, so I really wouldn't call him 100% ethical.
tell that to Dreamhack as well. Some big streamers are also supported by them.
I don't see you having problem with that.
And while we are at that IEM was/is sponsored by Kinguin so you better drop them as well.
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On August 05 2016 03:08 killerm12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 16:43 Creager wrote:On August 04 2016 05:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Personally can't stand Rifkin either. Not a good casting voice, not very respectful, not particularly good at game analysis... it'd be nice to see him step away from casting for good and do the behind the scenes work. His contribution to this discussion couldn't be worth less.
People should reserve their harshest criticisms for malicious, fraudulent liars that intentionally rob players of prize money. Rifkin is flawed but he is a 100% ethical operator. He adds a lot to the scene even with his flaws and if he likes broadcasting... its his channel. Rifkin gets a lot worse after he has been on the air for 8+ hours. There is a reason why real broadcasters almost never on air for 8+ hours. People track and record the stuff he says when he is overtired and so he gets a bad rap for it. He's apparently unwilling to drop G2A as sponsor and doesn't see what's wrong with it, so I really wouldn't call him 100% ethical. tell that to Dreamhack as well. Some big streamers are also supported by them. I don't see you having problem with that. And while we are at that IEM was/is sponsored by Kinguin so you better drop them as well.
those orgs are not 100% ethical/clean either. they're somewhat tainted by dirty money. this does not mean they are napalming small villages in 3rd world countries though.
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On August 05 2016 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 03:08 killerm12 wrote:On August 04 2016 16:43 Creager wrote:On August 04 2016 05:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Personally can't stand Rifkin either. Not a good casting voice, not very respectful, not particularly good at game analysis... it'd be nice to see him step away from casting for good and do the behind the scenes work. His contribution to this discussion couldn't be worth less.
People should reserve their harshest criticisms for malicious, fraudulent liars that intentionally rob players of prize money. Rifkin is flawed but he is a 100% ethical operator. He adds a lot to the scene even with his flaws and if he likes broadcasting... its his channel. Rifkin gets a lot worse after he has been on the air for 8+ hours. There is a reason why real broadcasters almost never on air for 8+ hours. People track and record the stuff he says when he is overtired and so he gets a bad rap for it. He's apparently unwilling to drop G2A as sponsor and doesn't see what's wrong with it, so I really wouldn't call him 100% ethical. tell that to Dreamhack as well. Some big streamers are also supported by them. I don't see you having problem with that. And while we are at that IEM was/is sponsored by Kinguin so you better drop them as well. those orgs are not 100% ethical/clean either. they're somewhat tainted by dirty money. this does not mean they are napalming small villages in 3rd world countries though.
Nope that's America
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On August 05 2016 03:08 killerm12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 16:43 Creager wrote:On August 04 2016 05:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Personally can't stand Rifkin either. Not a good casting voice, not very respectful, not particularly good at game analysis... it'd be nice to see him step away from casting for good and do the behind the scenes work. His contribution to this discussion couldn't be worth less.
People should reserve their harshest criticisms for malicious, fraudulent liars that intentionally rob players of prize money. Rifkin is flawed but he is a 100% ethical operator. He adds a lot to the scene even with his flaws and if he likes broadcasting... its his channel. Rifkin gets a lot worse after he has been on the air for 8+ hours. There is a reason why real broadcasters almost never on air for 8+ hours. People track and record the stuff he says when he is overtired and so he gets a bad rap for it. He's apparently unwilling to drop G2A as sponsor and doesn't see what's wrong with it, so I really wouldn't call him 100% ethical. tell that to Dreamhack as well. Some big streamers are also supported by them. I don't see you having problem with that. And while we are at that IEM was/is sponsored by Kinguin so you better drop them as well.
Read my previous post first, then complain, please. And just to clarify, I usually don't watch western/foreign SC2 content (not for the particular reason of shady sponsors, but disinterest in the foreign scene in general), at all, so please refrain from jumping to conclusions.
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On August 05 2016 03:33 Ve5pa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 03:08 killerm12 wrote:On August 04 2016 16:43 Creager wrote:On August 04 2016 05:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Personally can't stand Rifkin either. Not a good casting voice, not very respectful, not particularly good at game analysis... it'd be nice to see him step away from casting for good and do the behind the scenes work. His contribution to this discussion couldn't be worth less.
People should reserve their harshest criticisms for malicious, fraudulent liars that intentionally rob players of prize money. Rifkin is flawed but he is a 100% ethical operator. He adds a lot to the scene even with his flaws and if he likes broadcasting... its his channel. Rifkin gets a lot worse after he has been on the air for 8+ hours. There is a reason why real broadcasters almost never on air for 8+ hours. People track and record the stuff he says when he is overtired and so he gets a bad rap for it. He's apparently unwilling to drop G2A as sponsor and doesn't see what's wrong with it, so I really wouldn't call him 100% ethical. tell that to Dreamhack as well. Some big streamers are also supported by them. I don't see you having problem with that. And while we are at that IEM was/is sponsored by Kinguin so you better drop them as well. those orgs are not 100% ethical/clean either. they're somewhat tainted by dirty money. this does not mean they are napalming small villages in 3rd world countries though. Nope that's America
Rifkin is from the People's Republic of British Columbia the highest taxed jurisdication in North America.
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On August 05 2016 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 03:33 Ve5pa wrote:On August 05 2016 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 03:08 killerm12 wrote:On August 04 2016 16:43 Creager wrote:On August 04 2016 05:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Personally can't stand Rifkin either. Not a good casting voice, not very respectful, not particularly good at game analysis... it'd be nice to see him step away from casting for good and do the behind the scenes work. His contribution to this discussion couldn't be worth less.
People should reserve their harshest criticisms for malicious, fraudulent liars that intentionally rob players of prize money. Rifkin is flawed but he is a 100% ethical operator. He adds a lot to the scene even with his flaws and if he likes broadcasting... its his channel. Rifkin gets a lot worse after he has been on the air for 8+ hours. There is a reason why real broadcasters almost never on air for 8+ hours. People track and record the stuff he says when he is overtired and so he gets a bad rap for it. He's apparently unwilling to drop G2A as sponsor and doesn't see what's wrong with it, so I really wouldn't call him 100% ethical. tell that to Dreamhack as well. Some big streamers are also supported by them. I don't see you having problem with that. And while we are at that IEM was/is sponsored by Kinguin so you better drop them as well. those orgs are not 100% ethical/clean either. they're somewhat tainted by dirty money. this does not mean they are napalming small villages in 3rd world countries though. Nope that's America Rifkin is from the People's Republic of British Columbia the highest taxed jurisdication in North America.
You sure Ontario isn't the top?
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I occasionally watch a couple of Basetrade TV vods. Based purely on that, Rifkin to me seems like a decent person who provides a lot of content. I don't follow the scene that closely though and I don't know the details of the G2A sponsorship or the SortOf ban.
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Not sure why this even needs to be said, but this is not the place to discuss whether or not you like Rifkin. Or anyone else not involved in this issue for that matter.
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On August 05 2016 04:24 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 03:33 Ve5pa wrote:On August 05 2016 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 03:08 killerm12 wrote:On August 04 2016 16:43 Creager wrote:On August 04 2016 05:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Personally can't stand Rifkin either. Not a good casting voice, not very respectful, not particularly good at game analysis... it'd be nice to see him step away from casting for good and do the behind the scenes work. His contribution to this discussion couldn't be worth less.
People should reserve their harshest criticisms for malicious, fraudulent liars that intentionally rob players of prize money. Rifkin is flawed but he is a 100% ethical operator. He adds a lot to the scene even with his flaws and if he likes broadcasting... its his channel. Rifkin gets a lot worse after he has been on the air for 8+ hours. There is a reason why real broadcasters almost never on air for 8+ hours. People track and record the stuff he says when he is overtired and so he gets a bad rap for it. He's apparently unwilling to drop G2A as sponsor and doesn't see what's wrong with it, so I really wouldn't call him 100% ethical. tell that to Dreamhack as well. Some big streamers are also supported by them. I don't see you having problem with that. And while we are at that IEM was/is sponsored by Kinguin so you better drop them as well. those orgs are not 100% ethical/clean either. they're somewhat tainted by dirty money. this does not mean they are napalming small villages in 3rd world countries though. Nope that's America Rifkin is from the People's Republic of British Columbia the highest taxed jurisdication in North America. You sure Ontario isn't the top?
i PM-ed you a Fraser Institute link so as not to further derail this thread. Regardless of tax rate the over all point i'd like to get across is that Rifkin is not from the USA.
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On August 05 2016 04:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 04:24 geokilla wrote:On August 05 2016 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 03:33 Ve5pa wrote:On August 05 2016 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 03:08 killerm12 wrote:On August 04 2016 16:43 Creager wrote:On August 04 2016 05:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Personally can't stand Rifkin either. Not a good casting voice, not very respectful, not particularly good at game analysis... it'd be nice to see him step away from casting for good and do the behind the scenes work. His contribution to this discussion couldn't be worth less.
People should reserve their harshest criticisms for malicious, fraudulent liars that intentionally rob players of prize money. Rifkin is flawed but he is a 100% ethical operator. He adds a lot to the scene even with his flaws and if he likes broadcasting... its his channel. Rifkin gets a lot worse after he has been on the air for 8+ hours. There is a reason why real broadcasters almost never on air for 8+ hours. People track and record the stuff he says when he is overtired and so he gets a bad rap for it. He's apparently unwilling to drop G2A as sponsor and doesn't see what's wrong with it, so I really wouldn't call him 100% ethical. tell that to Dreamhack as well. Some big streamers are also supported by them. I don't see you having problem with that. And while we are at that IEM was/is sponsored by Kinguin so you better drop them as well. those orgs are not 100% ethical/clean either. they're somewhat tainted by dirty money. this does not mean they are napalming small villages in 3rd world countries though. Nope that's America Rifkin is from the People's Republic of British Columbia the highest taxed jurisdication in North America. You sure Ontario isn't the top? i PM-ed you a Fraser Institute link so as not to further derail this thread. Regardless of tax rate the over all point i'd like to get across is that Rifkin is not from the USA.
Further derail? LOL this thread went from Gumiho (et. al) and Invasion (et. al) to Rifkin and Demuslim to Dreamhack and G2A sponsorship.....
I don't think it can be further derailed....
About that guy named Trump huh? Something something... murica... great... something something...
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On August 05 2016 06:23 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 04:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 04:24 geokilla wrote:On August 05 2016 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 03:33 Ve5pa wrote:On August 05 2016 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 03:08 killerm12 wrote:On August 04 2016 16:43 Creager wrote:On August 04 2016 05:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Personally can't stand Rifkin either. Not a good casting voice, not very respectful, not particularly good at game analysis... it'd be nice to see him step away from casting for good and do the behind the scenes work. His contribution to this discussion couldn't be worth less.
People should reserve their harshest criticisms for malicious, fraudulent liars that intentionally rob players of prize money. Rifkin is flawed but he is a 100% ethical operator. He adds a lot to the scene even with his flaws and if he likes broadcasting... its his channel. Rifkin gets a lot worse after he has been on the air for 8+ hours. There is a reason why real broadcasters almost never on air for 8+ hours. People track and record the stuff he says when he is overtired and so he gets a bad rap for it. He's apparently unwilling to drop G2A as sponsor and doesn't see what's wrong with it, so I really wouldn't call him 100% ethical. tell that to Dreamhack as well. Some big streamers are also supported by them. I don't see you having problem with that. And while we are at that IEM was/is sponsored by Kinguin so you better drop them as well. those orgs are not 100% ethical/clean either. they're somewhat tainted by dirty money. this does not mean they are napalming small villages in 3rd world countries though. Nope that's America Rifkin is from the People's Republic of British Columbia the highest taxed jurisdication in North America. You sure Ontario isn't the top? i PM-ed you a Fraser Institute link so as not to further derail this thread. Regardless of tax rate the over all point i'd like to get across is that Rifkin is not from the USA. Further derail? LOL this thread went from Gumiho (et. al) and Invasion (et. al) to Rifkin and Demuslim to Dreamhack and G2A sponsorship..... I don't think it can be further derailed.... About that guy named Trump huh? Something something... murica... great... something something...
Woah there son, you keep this to douche bags and leave captain hair out of it
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On August 05 2016 06:23 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2016 04:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 04:24 geokilla wrote:On August 05 2016 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 03:33 Ve5pa wrote:On August 05 2016 03:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 05 2016 03:08 killerm12 wrote:On August 04 2016 16:43 Creager wrote:On August 04 2016 05:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Personally can't stand Rifkin either. Not a good casting voice, not very respectful, not particularly good at game analysis... it'd be nice to see him step away from casting for good and do the behind the scenes work. His contribution to this discussion couldn't be worth less.
People should reserve their harshest criticisms for malicious, fraudulent liars that intentionally rob players of prize money. Rifkin is flawed but he is a 100% ethical operator. He adds a lot to the scene even with his flaws and if he likes broadcasting... its his channel. Rifkin gets a lot worse after he has been on the air for 8+ hours. There is a reason why real broadcasters almost never on air for 8+ hours. People track and record the stuff he says when he is overtired and so he gets a bad rap for it. He's apparently unwilling to drop G2A as sponsor and doesn't see what's wrong with it, so I really wouldn't call him 100% ethical. tell that to Dreamhack as well. Some big streamers are also supported by them. I don't see you having problem with that. And while we are at that IEM was/is sponsored by Kinguin so you better drop them as well. those orgs are not 100% ethical/clean either. they're somewhat tainted by dirty money. this does not mean they are napalming small villages in 3rd world countries though. Nope that's America Rifkin is from the People's Republic of British Columbia the highest taxed jurisdication in North America. You sure Ontario isn't the top? i PM-ed you a Fraser Institute link so as not to further derail this thread. Regardless of tax rate the over all point i'd like to get across is that Rifkin is not from the USA. Further derail? LOL this thread went from Gumiho (et. al) and Invasion (et. al) to Rifkin and Demuslim to Dreamhack and G2A sponsorship..... I don't think it can be further derailed.... About that guy named Trump huh? Something something... murica... great... something something...
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Nice of you to quote a single line of my post while keep the rest of it out, taking that quote out of context.
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