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On August 02 2016 23:20 Koivusto wrote:
Everybody is wrong and owe me 5,000 $.
I got evidence saying otherwise.
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Gibbe monneis!! > : (
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On August 02 2016 23:36 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 23:20 Koivusto wrote:
Everybody is wrong and owe me 5,000 $. I got evidence saying otherwise. Gibbe monneis!! > : (
This Koivusto guy is shady as fuck. I'm gonna go grab my pitchfork.
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I won't take a side here.
But Cascade is a greedy fuck and Kaivusto is a nice guy.
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I don't know about the deal these guys have agreed upon, but you all should know that Cascade is a greedy bastard super hard to work with.
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damn, shoudda tweeted that lol
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On August 02 2016 23:52 n3p wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 23:36 Cascade wrote:On August 02 2016 23:20 Koivusto wrote:
Everybody is wrong and owe me 5,000 $. I got evidence saying otherwise. Gibbe monneis!! > : ( This Koivusto guy is shady as fuck. I'm gonna go grab my pitchfork.
n3p is trying to use this drama to stay relevant. How pathetic. Koivusto is a nice guy that only helps the community!!
Are we doing it right?
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On August 02 2016 22:29 n3p wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 22:07 Ctone23 wrote:On August 02 2016 10:48 stuchiu wrote:On August 02 2016 10:35 Kafka777 wrote:In this case it doesn't matter if you have a contract. The sum that is in play means that if you get actual lawyers to hold someone to the contract you are losing out on thousands more dollars Not necessarily. Lawyers are available for a percentage of money awarded. You can claim damages for fraud. All in all you can get back your money with a bonus and the lawyer will be fat. so a lawyer is gonna waste tens of hours to get some hundreds of dollars for this? Here's a link to the only esportslawy guy out there doing this sort of work. States the economics don't make taking up this case viable. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4vmg6q/legend_exsbenuafreeca_coach_talks_about_invasion/d600z7l Lawyers won't get involved with a handshake deal, which is what this sounds like to me. I would LOVE to be proved wrong and there actually be a legit, signed contract. Sounds like there wasn't a legit contract. Players need to learn to not accept cash and make sure there is always a trail. They need to learn to protect themselves. While it's great and all to have lawyers who may be willing to take up a case after the fact, a lot of wrongdoing can be easily prevented with education of the players.
It just means there has to be some kind of KeSPA for foreigners. In other words, some organisation which protects players from lies and false promises to pay.
I don't like Blizzard, but I think they should do it. What do they gain? Well, some percentage goes to them because they can't do this job for free, but it will be their responsibility to get you the money you have earned from tournaments. How could they do it? They ask for contracts or something that is legally binding.
Why Blizzard? Because Blizzard, hated or not, have authority. Also, it is not feasible to have a KeSPA-like organisation for every country to support all foreigners. Blizzard also want a successful scene, while situations like this are the opposite.
I understand people want 100% of money, but you may use Blizzard's help when you don't trust a tournament 100%. Alternatively, some good lawyer creates a contract template for tournaments on behalf of players. Players use it to give it to tournament organisers. If tournament organisers refuse, then players don't play.
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On August 03 2016 01:58 Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 22:29 n3p wrote:On August 02 2016 22:07 Ctone23 wrote:On August 02 2016 10:48 stuchiu wrote:On August 02 2016 10:35 Kafka777 wrote:In this case it doesn't matter if you have a contract. The sum that is in play means that if you get actual lawyers to hold someone to the contract you are losing out on thousands more dollars Not necessarily. Lawyers are available for a percentage of money awarded. You can claim damages for fraud. All in all you can get back your money with a bonus and the lawyer will be fat. so a lawyer is gonna waste tens of hours to get some hundreds of dollars for this? Here's a link to the only esportslawy guy out there doing this sort of work. States the economics don't make taking up this case viable. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4vmg6q/legend_exsbenuafreeca_coach_talks_about_invasion/d600z7l Lawyers won't get involved with a handshake deal, which is what this sounds like to me. I would LOVE to be proved wrong and there actually be a legit, signed contract. Sounds like there wasn't a legit contract. Players need to learn to not accept cash and make sure there is always a trail. They need to learn to protect themselves. While it's great and all to have lawyers who may be willing to take up a case after the fact, a lot of wrongdoing can be easily prevented with education of the players. It just means there has to be some kind of KeSPA for foreigners. In other words, some organisation which protects players from lies and false promises to pay. I don't like Blizzard, but I think they should do it. What do they gain? Well, some percentage goes to them because they can't do this job for free, but it will be their responsibility to get you the money you have earned from tournaments. How could they do it? They ask for contracts or something that is legally binding. Why Blizzard? Because Blizzard, hated or not, have authority. Also, it is not feasible to have a KeSPA-like organisation for every country to support all foreigners. Blizzard also want a successful scene, while situations like this are the opposite. I understand people want 100% of money, but you may use Blizzard's help when you don't trust a tournament 100%. Alternatively, some good lawyer creates a contract template for tournaments on behalf of players. Players use it to give it to tournament organisers. If tournament organisers refuse, then players don't play.
I don't see Blizzard doing it. I think there needs to be an outside regulatory body. Blizzard is a video game company, not a law office.
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On August 02 2016 23:52 n3p wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 23:36 Cascade wrote:On August 02 2016 23:20 Koivusto wrote:
Everybody is wrong and owe me 5,000 $. I got evidence saying otherwise. Gibbe monneis!! > : ( This Koivusto guy is shady as fuck. I'm gonna go grab my pitchfork.
No wonder we have a ded geim in our hands when you cannot even defend your rights as a businessman ;(
Also, that conversation is definitely a fake, my English is not that great.
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The "fight game" has the same problem esports has. the UFC and MLG physically hands their winning payments directly to the winner and make the cheque in the name of the winner.
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Well Dreamhack is a shady organization kind of, I think they pushed for Koreans to be out of international events.
Very disappointing to hear this.
I hope Gumiho gets paid.
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It's one of these threads where page by page people write more about Sebou being guilty although there is yet no actual proof. Doesn't look good for the guy, but still.
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When legal measures won't work out, that's when we need pitch forks.
Fuck all those wankers.
Gumiho hasn't been paid.
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Has Demuslim not yet commented on the Koivusto Cascade deal?
Disappoint
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I heard he's investigating the situation carefully so he can come out and give us a well thought out, non biased opinion.
Also, fuck Cascade.
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On August 03 2016 03:41 Incognoto wrote:
When legal measures won't work out, that's when we need pitch forks.
Fuck all those wankers.
Gumiho hasn't been paid.
What if:
Gumiho is playing everyone??
It's sort of like the movie, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
Anyway, I'm afraid that there isn't enough evidence for the Pitchfork Trial ;_;
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On August 03 2016 04:21 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 03:41 Incognoto wrote:
When legal measures won't work out, that's when we need pitch forks.
Fuck all those wankers.
Gumiho hasn't been paid. What if: Gumiho is playing everyone?? It's sort of like the movie, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. Anyway, I'm afraid that there isn't enough evidence for the Pitchfork Trial ;_;
We pitchfork first and review the evidence later.
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On August 02 2016 21:06 realityyy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 18:42 olimoley wrote:On August 02 2016 08:34 LongShot27 wrote:On August 02 2016 07:58 stuchiu wrote:On August 02 2016 07:55 Deathstar wrote:On August 02 2016 07:41 Aocowns wrote:On August 02 2016 07:36 Elentos wrote:On August 02 2016 07:31 SC2FeaR1 wrote:
You guys have no clue about the situation theres 2 ppl making statements and you just have to wait for whatever comes out of it but all this stupid hate on either choya sebou or for some reason demuslim ???? Is pointless and stupid imo just wanted to make that clear! Demuslim got hate for hating on Choya for no reason. Also Choya is backed up by Legend (coach of another Proleague team) who says he has a similar situation going on with Invasion, so it's not just 2 people. Besides, the odds that anything comes out of this at all are low. i mean demuslim isnt the only one not saying that as if it definitely makes sebou the victim here or whatever or that demu wasnt dumb to chime in, but it doesnt sound like it's "for no reason" "Sebou only does generous and nice things" aside from conning players of their money. How convenient of rifkin to leave out the factor that goes against his initial position. I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer's neighbors thought he was a nice and generous guy who participated in many charities and volunteer organizations. Except for the other stuff Jeffrey did. I imagine g2a was also nice and generous to work with. This is why I take nothing BASETRADETV says anymore seriously Please don't mistake Rifkin's words for everyone on BaseTradeTV. NOT HATING: Is there like a petition or something going on to replace Rifkin? I personally just cannot stand his talking and "casting", while Zombiegrub is actually pretty nice to watch, as she has great game knowledge and does not behave so arrogant and sometimes even rude to cocasters. But Rifkin makes it so bad I don't watch BT anymore. I actually heard the same thing from some more people, who would really like to see Zombiegrub cast with someone else, which would make a really great cast.
You should submit your request to the boss of Basetradetv
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On August 03 2016 04:46 BasetradeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 21:06 realityyy wrote:On August 02 2016 18:42 olimoley wrote:On August 02 2016 08:34 LongShot27 wrote:On August 02 2016 07:58 stuchiu wrote:On August 02 2016 07:55 Deathstar wrote:On August 02 2016 07:41 Aocowns wrote:On August 02 2016 07:36 Elentos wrote:On August 02 2016 07:31 SC2FeaR1 wrote:
You guys have no clue about the situation theres 2 ppl making statements and you just have to wait for whatever comes out of it but all this stupid hate on either choya sebou or for some reason demuslim ???? Is pointless and stupid imo just wanted to make that clear! Demuslim got hate for hating on Choya for no reason. Also Choya is backed up by Legend (coach of another Proleague team) who says he has a similar situation going on with Invasion, so it's not just 2 people. Besides, the odds that anything comes out of this at all are low. i mean demuslim isnt the only one https://twitter.com/Rif_kingz/status/760194273262247936not saying that as if it definitely makes sebou the victim here or whatever or that demu wasnt dumb to chime in, but it doesnt sound like it's "for no reason" "Sebou only does generous and nice things" aside from conning players of their money. How convenient of rifkin to leave out the factor that goes against his initial position. I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer's neighbors thought he was a nice and generous guy who participated in many charities and volunteer organizations. Except for the other stuff Jeffrey did. I imagine g2a was also nice and generous to work with. This is why I take nothing BASETRADETV says anymore seriously Please don't mistake Rifkin's words for everyone on BaseTradeTV. NOT HATING: Is there like a petition or something going on to replace Rifkin? I personally just cannot stand his talking and "casting", while Zombiegrub is actually pretty nice to watch, as she has great game knowledge and does not behave so arrogant and sometimes even rude to cocasters. But Rifkin makes it so bad I don't watch BT anymore. I actually heard the same thing from some more people, who would really like to see Zombiegrub cast with someone else, which would make a really great cast. You should submit your request to the boss of Basetradetv
basetradetv_boss@hotmail.net? I want to write a strongly worded letter of why Rifkin should keep his job.
Also, pls pay GuMiho, whoever it is that is withholding the money from him. When he wins GSL (dreams upon dreams), the $5,000 or whatever will be small but in life, got to get every penny you can.
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On August 03 2016 04:46 BasetradeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 21:06 realityyy wrote:On August 02 2016 18:42 olimoley wrote:On August 02 2016 08:34 LongShot27 wrote:On August 02 2016 07:58 stuchiu wrote:On August 02 2016 07:55 Deathstar wrote:On August 02 2016 07:41 Aocowns wrote:On August 02 2016 07:36 Elentos wrote:On August 02 2016 07:31 SC2FeaR1 wrote:
You guys have no clue about the situation theres 2 ppl making statements and you just have to wait for whatever comes out of it but all this stupid hate on either choya sebou or for some reason demuslim ???? Is pointless and stupid imo just wanted to make that clear! Demuslim got hate for hating on Choya for no reason. Also Choya is backed up by Legend (coach of another Proleague team) who says he has a similar situation going on with Invasion, so it's not just 2 people. Besides, the odds that anything comes out of this at all are low. i mean demuslim isnt the only one https://twitter.com/Rif_kingz/status/760194273262247936not saying that as if it definitely makes sebou the victim here or whatever or that demu wasnt dumb to chime in, but it doesnt sound like it's "for no reason" "Sebou only does generous and nice things" aside from conning players of their money. How convenient of rifkin to leave out the factor that goes against his initial position. I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer's neighbors thought he was a nice and generous guy who participated in many charities and volunteer organizations. Except for the other stuff Jeffrey did. I imagine g2a was also nice and generous to work with. This is why I take nothing BASETRADETV says anymore seriously Please don't mistake Rifkin's words for everyone on BaseTradeTV. NOT HATING: Is there like a petition or something going on to replace Rifkin? I personally just cannot stand his talking and "casting", while Zombiegrub is actually pretty nice to watch, as she has great game knowledge and does not behave so arrogant and sometimes even rude to cocasters. But Rifkin makes it so bad I don't watch BT anymore. I actually heard the same thing from some more people, who would really like to see Zombiegrub cast with someone else, which would make a really great cast. You should submit your request to the boss of Basetradetv
That sarcasm. I didn't know who the "boss of Bastradetv" is, but it appears to be Rifkin according to https://www.basetrade.tv/about/ .
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