Monetary conflict between Invasion, Choya, Legend - Page 12

On August 02 2016 08:12 coL.hendralisk wrote:
Interesting.. surely both sides cant both be telling the truth on this issue

On August 02 2016 13:06 LongShot27 wrote:


Except when you win money in the united states and live in a foreign country? Are you getting it now?

On August 02 2016 14:49 coL.hendralisk wrote:
School, csgo, overwatch in that order

Been on a break since I lost to drunkenboi for a wcs qualifier I think, early 2015 damn time flies

On August 02 2016 08:34 LongShot27 wrote:


This is why I take nothing BASETRADETV says anymore seriously

On August 01 2016 18:02 KappaKingPrime wrote:
Has Harstem received HomeStory Cup prize money?

On August 02 2016 08:34 LongShot27 wrote:


This is why I take nothing BASETRADETV says anymore seriously

On August 02 2016 19:58 SuperHofmann wrote:
can someone update the op ? can't find infos in 200+ posts

On August 02 2016 13:13 CometNine wrote:
Re: Lawyers...hahaha.

Quite Frankly, this case is too small to be worth anyone's time. I think nearly every Lawyer that is qualified to look into this dispute will charge more than the money that's missing.

If something like this happened in New Zealand - you'd go to what we call the disputes tribunal to handle cases that are under NZD$15,000 (or NZD$20,000 if both parties agree to it). I imagine that both Switzerland and Korea have something similar in place to handle small monetary disputes.

Besides, given the pictures we've seen - I highly doubt that either side has contracts that will hold up in a court.

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FireCake mentioned earlier in the thread about why players choose their teams/organisations to receive the money on their behalf. I think I can answer that from a Taxation point of view (as I work as a Tax Accountant that specialises in filing Resident Tax returns with foreign Income).

If the eSports organisations like Dreamhack or IEM pays the prize money directly to the winners then they might be liable to pay a form Withholding Tax (WT) to their respective Tax Department (in the native country) before paying a net amount to winner. By Dreamhack paying the winnings to an organisation (like a team) there's probably a way to bypass this WT requirement (company to company transactions are seen as "business transactions" and any "profits" are taxed once the Operating Profit for said company is calculated) so the team receives the entire gross payment of prize money. The team then pays their Player in the form of a bonus or extra payment with the correct amount of Tax Deducted in the Player's Home country. This way there's less work for the player involved when it comes to calculating the tax that they need to pay at the end of the tax year and worry about double taxation agreements between countries, what's available as tax credits in the player's resident country and so forth. Also there's potential for Tax Credits to get lost if the WT deductions are higher than the Player's Home Country's Tax rate. Here in NZ the WT tax rate is higher than our lowest PAYE/PAYG Salary Tax rate.

If anyone is interested, I can provide a detailed example of the benefits of having money go through a company as opposed to a person for tax purposes. Just let me know somewhere below or PM me.

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In light of all of this, I hope that Harstem doesn't get caught out with any tax issues given the shady stuff we've caught glimpses today.

I think the original agreements were done in Good Faith but Sebou is probably too young, too inexperienced and never thought through his decisions with the Korean Teams / Personnel. Maybe he was one overly enthusiastic fan that bit off more than he could chew. Sadly though, this seems like another Quantic/LYGF episode...

I don't know much about the Choya/MLG thing - but I think he should have been a bit more cautious after that incident especially with foreign money.

For those of you that say Choya is greedy - try to remember he's running an organisation. He needs to pay his players, cover household costs and its no secret that MVP lack significant sponsors to comfortably cover all of this. Put yourself in his shoes and think about how, you would feel if you had employees that you couldn't pay and that you deeply cared about them?

On August 02 2016 18:42 olimoley wrote:


Please don't mistake Rifkin's words for everyone on BaseTradeTV.

On August 02 2016 10:48 stuchiu wrote:


so a lawyer is gonna waste tens of hours to get some hundreds of dollars for this?

Here's a link to the only esportslawy guy out there doing this sort of work. States the economics don't make taking up this case viable.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4vmg6q/legend_exsbenuafreeca_coach_talks_about_invasion/d600z7l

On August 02 2016 11:07 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:People are entitled to make a living out of their hard work. Especially when they are passionate about sc2...