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Creager
Germany1884 Posts
On July 18 2016 14:47 opisska wrote: you guys so edgy. dont watch, that will show them! and post about it, so that the world knows how cool you are. Only thing we can do to show our "appreciation". But I really gotta say after reading that interview I feel kinda bad for disliking Harstem, he's really getting the point across on current WCS, kudos! | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
This WCS system is indeed bad and also very unfair for Korean players. It would be a lot better if we had actual international events where anyone who plays Starcraft is allowed to enter. That would be great! No barring out players just because they have a certain nationality, just because they're "too good". For some reason a lot of people, including Blizzard, pretend that open, international events are exclusive somehow to protecting regional events. Fancy that? Good interview though! | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 18 2016 01:34 opisska wrote: It's hard to argue with the man himself ... but I just disagree that he isn't at the peak of his skill. His play on HSC was absolutely insane at times, it really felt like watching peak Stephano again. This just doesn't happen very often for a foreigner. In general, I think the EU scene has somehow improved in this insanely stupid system we have now - I would never ever guess that could happen. I have missed a lot of foreign SC2 lately, but from what I have seen at HSC, at least Harstem, Nerchio and, Snute now really show big moments of brilliance. He doesn't feel pushed and isn't going up against Koreans. Hence the notion. | ||
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HmmmCookies
Canada34 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I don't know. I personally didn't even watch a single match from DH Valencia. I just don't really care that Neeb wins if he's doing it in sheltered waters away from where the big fish are. Meanwhile, Maru is finally back in Code S where he belongs... after 7 months since the start of the year, where he was knocked out of GSL in a Bo5 which should have been the semi-final match, not a Code A "have-a-5-month-break-from-tournaments" match. We're down to 2 GSLs a year now thanks to Blizzard and their anti-Korean policies. I would happy to trade Blizzcon for another GSL because that's where you have the best players, the best casters, the best production, just the overall best Starcraft. Yet Korean players are forced to play in a very limited number of tournaments whereas foreigners keep the entire international scene to themselves. It's not even a policy where everyone has their own regional events to compete and shine in. It's a policy where we take the international scene and block out a large portion of competitive players because they've got a Korean passport. It's ridiculous. Blizzard, Dreamhack, ESL have all largely gone down in my esteem. | ||
Poopi
France12758 Posts
There was so much more competition among koreans at the start that it felt way more epic than now where only 2-3 are good. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On July 18 2016 22:40 Poopi wrote: I dunno, watching 8 foreigners vs 8 koreans at Blizzcon will be way more hype than watching koreans play in a league that used to be great in the golden age but is now kinda meh. There was so much more competition among koreans at the start that it felt way more epic than now where only 2-3 are good. I mean, I don't want to jump ahead here, but I'm fairly sure you could argue that watching 7 foreigners get trashed by koreans and one foreigner giving the particularly jet-lagged and sick-from-lack-of-kimchi-korean a bit of a struggle to get his win isn't very hype at all. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On July 18 2016 22:46 a_flayer wrote: I mean, I don't want to jump ahead here, but I'm fairly sure you could argue that watching 7 foreigners get trashed by koreans and one foreigner giving the particularly jet-lagged and sick-from-lack-of-kimchi-korean a bit of a struggle to get his win isn't very hype at all. Honestly if you have such a negative outlook then why watch Starcraft at all?  | ||
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Poopi
France12758 Posts
On July 18 2016 22:46 a_flayer wrote: I mean, I don't want to jump ahead here, but I'm fairly sure you could argue that watching 7 foreigners get trashed by koreans and one foreigner giving the particularly jet-lagged and sick-from-lack-of-kimchi-korean a bit of a struggle to get his win isn't very hype at all. You realize that this won't happen? The more likely thing is that two or three koreans will get upset. Maybe even more. | ||
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rockdj911
14 Posts
You realize that this won't happen? The more likely thing is that two or three koreans will get upset. Maybe even more. I don't think so, man. This top-8 Koreans are, like, GSL/SSL 2016 TOP1 winners and some more like STATS. I could bet my house Zest, Stats, Dark and like will advance with 100% probability from RO16 to RO8 if they face foreigners in RO16 and it will be at least BO3, not BO1. If foreigner has a chanse, it's only in BO1. | ||
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RKC
2847 Posts
Flashy plays of brilliance? Doesn't mean a thing. When I turn on MLS, I see lots of fancy footwork and epic goals - more than European football. Does it make American-based footballers better? No. Their fancy plays would be easily shut down by the more technically sound and tactically astute Europeans. Better entertainment does not mean better quality of play. | ||
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Khai
Australia551 Posts
Maybe it is best keeping the the Korean and foreigner scene separate, those who watch Koreans for their skill will continue to follow the Korean scene and those who support the foreigner scene will continue with theirs. I used to complain about Blizzard limiting competition, killing the Korean players' chances of competing in foreign tournaments but now I don't really care anymore. I guess my appetite for watching SC2 eventually fell to the level of the remaining good tournaments, Proleague, GSL and SSL and will probably stay that way. On the occasion I somehow tune in on a foreign tournament I am often disappointed by the quality of the play and the entertainment value isn't quite enough to pull me back. | ||
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SC2Towelie
United States561 Posts
On July 18 2016 01:29 lost_patrol wrote: Is this how journalism works? Tell the interviewee what to say, so you get your juicy headline? But if it's something that he already said, then what's the problem?... | ||
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gab12
Poland147 Posts
 Harstem really said really interesting things about the wcs system ... | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15866 Posts
On July 18 2016 23:06 Poopi wrote: You realize that this won't happen? The more likely thing is that two or three koreans will get upset. Maybe even more. You realize that this won't happen? The more likely thing is that foreigners will lose every map in 5-10 minutes. Maybe even less. | ||
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Creager
Germany1884 Posts
On July 19 2016 02:31 Charoisaur wrote: You realize that this won't happen? The more likely thing is that foreigners will lose every map in 5-10 minutes. Maybe even less. I don't think it will be that desastrous, but honestly how can people believe that foreigners are gonna be on equal footing against Koreans at Blizzcon? | ||
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Poopi
France12758 Posts
On July 19 2016 02:31 Charoisaur wrote: You realize that this won't happen? The more likely thing is that foreigners will lose every map in 5-10 minutes. Maybe even less. Having 8/8 favorites advancing in any sports is unlikely, plus I wouldn't call them all favorites since Nerchio is probably far ahead of most korean zergs if they can't win much in ZvT. Also nice interview, having more money for foreigners is a good thing, plus skill relative to other competitors is still hard to gauge now that we don't see kor vs for often, it's probably closer than expected bar the top players of each race. | ||
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Creager
Germany1884 Posts
On July 19 2016 02:52 Poopi wrote: Having 8/8 favorites advancing in any sports is unlikely, plus I wouldn't call them all favorites since Nerchio is probably far ahead of most korean zergs if they can't win much in ZvT. Also nice interview, having more money for foreigners is a good thing, plus skill relative to other competitors is still hard to gauge now that we don't see kor vs for often, it's probably closer than expected bar the top players of each race. But you DO realize that practice routines are VASTLY different for foreigners, right? Nerchio wins ZvT not because he's so good but because foreign Terrans are apparently | ||
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JackONeill
861 Posts
Yeah, the issue isn’t that they don’t know what the problems are, it’s more about “will they have the manpower and money to solve them?” is the most interesting piece of information in this interview? I mean it's completely obvious that blizzard has the money to solve and patch starcraft issues, so if they understand them and have the money, why aren't they doing it ? It shows how blizz is choosing not to patch and solve SC2's issues because of commerical/investment choices, while managing the community's expectation with balance band-aidy patches, community feedback updates and community summits. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 18 2016 23:06 Poopi wrote: You realize that this won't happen? The more likely thing is that two or three koreans will get upset. Maybe even more. and this is all based on assumptions. like really. | ||
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