• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:40
CEST 21:40
KST 04:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence7Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence Diplomacy, Cosmonarchy Edition BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Borderlands 3
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1725 users

Harstem interviewed at community summit: “I make more mone…

Forum Index > SC2 General
77 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Gen.Rolly
Profile Joined September 2011
United States200 Posts
July 19 2016 04:37 GMT
#61
Interesting interview. Thanks for posting this, Mr. Waxangel.
Vector locked in.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
July 19 2016 05:32 GMT
#62
On July 18 2016 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2016 01:35 Kaizor wrote:
On July 18 2016 01:32 imre wrote:
On July 18 2016 01:25 LukeSC2 wrote:
Interesting that Harstem feels he's not as good of a player as he was in 2014. In general I think it's unlikely for any player to have dropped in skill over two years of practice, unless he means his skill relative to the competition.


If your practice environment is worse than it was before you are definitely going to have a lesser skill. Still impressive play from Harstem at HSC, and quite a nice interview.


Actually i feel differently. I have seen Harstem play in 2014 and 2016 and in my eyes, he seemed to have improved. Better consistency and decision making. Overall i think he has a better mentality as well.

For sure. Foreigners got a ton better. I think Harstem's right in some ways though. 2014 was probably the biggest skill increase for foreigners. Afterwards only a few koreans were left to become the people to beat. So foreigners were able to crack down and focus on beating those people. Then it pretty much became a near level playing field as it is now. Foreigners are pretty similar to Koreans now but it's absolutey all about the teamhouses.

what you say only makes me mad because i want it to be true, but you are wayyyyyyyyyy off.
they are just in situations where they can look better.

even studying replays from DH which i usually do was super hard because of all the mistakes made in the 'amazing/best' games
Founder of Flow Enterprises, LLC http://flow-enterprises.com/
Hok
Profile Joined April 2013
Canada42 Posts
July 19 2016 05:57 GMT
#63
Great interview and many thanks for this.

One point though - the foreign scene doesn't seem to have a consolidated league, which I guess because of geographic issues may not happen any time soon, but having a league makes it easier to churn out skill and players.
phyren
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1067 Posts
July 19 2016 07:08 GMT
#64
I am expecting a poll come blizzcon of how many foreigners will advance through the first round against korean opponents. Not knowing who they will be or waht the mu are, I'd still say I'll be impressed if 1/2 manage it and consider Blizzards new WCS model a great success if 2/3 do it.
beefITek
Profile Joined June 2011
France54 Posts
July 19 2016 08:28 GMT
#65
Again how blizzard kills its game, and the interest in the tournaments.
We are very far from the fun from MLG with Koreans winning everything ..

It's a shame that noob players win a lot of money and go to blizzcon, while sick guys have nothing.

So so ridiculous.
But GG Harstem anyway, to be honest and humble.

User was warned for this post
AaGaM
Profile Joined October 2015
19 Posts
July 19 2016 12:13 GMT
#66
Solar opinion on dreamhack with foreigner players: ''when i come here for dreamhack i am very confident because there's not many good players".
I think the 8 Korean players who get to go to Blizzcon will be happy to get easy games to RO8. And we sure will get to watch more games like Life vs Lilbow. Great system.
coolmiyo
Profile Joined February 2016
51 Posts
July 19 2016 13:17 GMT
#67
“I make more adepts, but I’m worse.”
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15973 Posts
July 19 2016 13:29 GMT
#68
On July 19 2016 21:13 AaGaM wrote:
Solar opinion on dreamhack with foreigner players: ''when i come here for dreamhack i am very confident because there's not many good players".

Have you not heard? the new system has made foreigners FAR better. Nerchio is probably the best zerg in the world right now and Neeb is on the level of herO, Classic, Dear. Solar's opinion is outdated.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
July 19 2016 13:36 GMT
#69
On July 19 2016 14:32 nath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2016 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 18 2016 01:35 Kaizor wrote:
On July 18 2016 01:32 imre wrote:
On July 18 2016 01:25 LukeSC2 wrote:
Interesting that Harstem feels he's not as good of a player as he was in 2014. In general I think it's unlikely for any player to have dropped in skill over two years of practice, unless he means his skill relative to the competition.


If your practice environment is worse than it was before you are definitely going to have a lesser skill. Still impressive play from Harstem at HSC, and quite a nice interview.


Actually i feel differently. I have seen Harstem play in 2014 and 2016 and in my eyes, he seemed to have improved. Better consistency and decision making. Overall i think he has a better mentality as well.

For sure. Foreigners got a ton better. I think Harstem's right in some ways though. 2014 was probably the biggest skill increase for foreigners. Afterwards only a few koreans were left to become the people to beat. So foreigners were able to crack down and focus on beating those people. Then it pretty much became a near level playing field as it is now. Foreigners are pretty similar to Koreans now but it's absolutey all about the teamhouses.

what you say only makes me mad because i want it to be true, but you are wayyyyyyyyyy off.
they are just in situations where they can look better.

even studying replays from DH which i usually do was super hard because of all the mistakes made in the 'amazing/best' games


You'd also find lots of mistakes in Korean replays. Heck, even in just VODS of Korean games you can find lots of mistakes.
When cats speak, mice listen.
nobo
Profile Joined July 2016
Ukraine5 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 23:30:29
July 19 2016 17:39 GMT
#70
Many foreigners were really waiting for the current WCS system (without koreans).
But Harstem complains that his skill currently is not growing. This sounds so stupid.

The only feeling I have about his thoughts in this article is.. FACEPALM.
Some people are just never satisfied.

AaGaM
Profile Joined October 2015
19 Posts
July 20 2016 01:57 GMT
#71
On July 19 2016 22:29 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 21:13 AaGaM wrote:
Solar opinion on dreamhack with foreigner players: ''when i come here for dreamhack i am very confident because there's not many good players".

Have you not heard? the new system has made foreigners FAR better. Nerchio is probably the best zerg in the world right now and Neeb is on the level of herO, Classic, Dear. Solar's opinion is outdated.


What?? there is literally no prove that foreigners got better at all, when bad player play vs bad player i really doubt that anyone of them will get better at the game. Playing vs the best and learning from them would make a player improve. Nerchio the best zerg in the world? what? if he won a tournament where all the good players are banned, that will not make him the best, Dark, Rouge even solar are better than him, in fact Korean zergs are having bad time vs terran and foreigners have no terran that even close to Korean terran level. Simple without global even you can't prove that foreigners got any better with this system, but they got richer ya. Players like Maru, Zest, Dark, Stats, TY and many others will not lose to foreigners that's why Blizzcon will have the lowest level of RO16 we have had in a long time.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15973 Posts
July 20 2016 04:07 GMT
#72
I thought the "have you not heard" made it obvious I was joking. but I indeed heard some people talk about nerchio being the best zerg or neeb being on the same level as classic, herO etc...
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
phyren
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1067 Posts
July 20 2016 07:10 GMT
#73
On July 20 2016 10:57 AaGaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 22:29 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 19 2016 21:13 AaGaM wrote:
Solar opinion on dreamhack with foreigner players: ''when i come here for dreamhack i am very confident because there's not many good players".

Have you not heard? the new system has made foreigners FAR better. Nerchio is probably the best zerg in the world right now and Neeb is on the level of herO, Classic, Dear. Solar's opinion is outdated.


What?? there is literally no prove that foreigners got better at all, when bad player play vs bad player i really doubt that anyone of them will get better at the game. Playing vs the best and learning from them would make a player improve. Nerchio the best zerg in the world? what? if he won a tournament where all the good players are banned, that will not make him the best, Dark, Rouge even solar are better than him, in fact Korean zergs are having bad time vs terran and foreigners have no terran that even close to Korean terran level. Simple without global even you can't prove that foreigners got any better with this system, but they got richer ya. Players like Maru, Zest, Dark, Stats, TY and many others will not lose to foreigners that's why Blizzcon will have the lowest level of RO16 we have had in a long time.


Close one; it nearly hit you. Went just over your head.
Big_dog_4_lifee
Profile Joined July 2016
2 Posts
July 20 2016 12:04 GMT
#74
I'm honestly shocked that Harstem has won anything. He's a perennial also-ran and doesn't really have anything that makes his play special....except that he plays decently every once in a while, and when the other foreigners are not playing great he can squeak through with a win. He wouldn't even last one round in Code A, even playing his best. Plus he's fucking ugly and awkward as hell.

So sad we don't have more charismatic foreigners to represent the game.
Big_dog_4_lifee
Profile Joined July 2016
2 Posts
July 20 2016 12:05 GMT
#75
On July 19 2016 17:28 beefITek wrote:
Again how blizzard kills its game, and the interest in the tournaments.
We are very far from the fun from MLG with Koreans winning everything ..

It's a shame that noob players win a lot of money and go to blizzcon, while sick guys have nothing.

So so ridiculous.
But GG Harstem anyway, to be honest and humble.

User was warned for this post



Fuck Teamliquid for warning this post....God forbid someone fucking speak their opinion. These mods are so god damn stupid.

User was banned for this post.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 15:48:06
July 20 2016 12:13 GMT
#76
Maybe if he added the word "relatively" in front of noob it would have been better, but yeah I don't see the need for the warning. He is essentially echoing Harstem himself, heh.

+ Show Spoiler +
It's alive!
[image loading]
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
July 20 2016 12:19 GMT
#77
Actually he was warned because we don't really want anymore "Blizzard kills the game/dead game" posting. It's annoying.
If you have moderation concerns, please take them to Website Feedback
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 20 2016 13:19 GMT
#78
Good warnings. They didn't read the 10 commandment post you're supposed to read when you sign up.
maru lover forever
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 20m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 159
UpATreeSC 145
ProTech89
JuggernautJason74
ForJumy 30
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3279
Shuttle 579
Mini 310
Dewaltoss 172
Backho 60
Noble 8
Hm[arnc] 7
Dota 2
Fuzer 250
capcasts149
Counter-Strike
fl0m1213
pashabiceps533
Stewie2K458
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu408
Other Games
Grubby3183
summit1g2785
FrodaN689
Beastyqt598
Hui .261
ToD114
NeuroSwarm60
C9.Mang060
Trikslyr58
FunKaTv 50
MindelVK27
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 3
• Dystopia_ 2
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix17
• blackmanpl 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4138
• masondota2682
League of Legends
• TFBlade543
Other Games
• imaqtpie910
• WagamamaTV409
• Shiphtur230
Upcoming Events
OSC
3h 20m
PiGosaur Monday
4h 20m
LiuLi Cup
15h 20m
OSC
23h 20m
RSL Revival
1d 14h
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
The PondCast
1d 17h
RSL Revival
2 days
Zoun vs Classic
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Online Event
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.