EPTOn July 18 2016 03:42 HugoBallzak wrote:
Why did koreans turn down HSC?
Why did koreans turn down HSC?
Naruto said most turned it down for proleague commitments
Harstem interviewed at community summit: “I make more mone…
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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dyDrawer
Canada438 Posts
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todespolka
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The skill argument of harstem works also the other way around. The koreans who came to europe or na were not the best, but earned more money than their friends in korea. They cared about money and foreigners should too. If someone wants to see the best of the best, he can still watch gsl, starleague or proleague. Also this system makes blizzcon very special. Its the only tournament where we see foreigners vs koreans at the highest level. It will be a spectacle! | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15973 Posts
On July 18 2016 04:37 todespolka wrote: A lot of people here say harstem plays much better now. But we cant know that. How good a player looks in game depends on his opponent. If an opponent is slightly faster than the player, he will chase behind his attacks and the game will look like a bronce game. The skill argument of harstem works also the other way around. The koreans who came to europe or na were not the best, but earned more money than their friends in korea. They cared about money and foreigners should too. If someone wants to see the best of the best, he can still watch gsl, starleague or proleague. Also this system makes blizzcon very special. Its the only tournament where we see foreigners vs koreans at the highest level. It will be a spectacle! I agree with your point that the "runners" got more money than they deserved in comparison to the other koreans. The best system imo was 2015 where foreigners had their foreign only league but competed with koreans at IEMs/DH. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On July 18 2016 04:37 todespolka wrote: A lot of people here say harstem plays much better now. But we cant know that. How good a player looks in game depends on his opponent. If an opponent is slightly faster than the player, he will chase behind his attacks and the game will look like a bronce game. The skill argument of harstem works also the other way around. The koreans who came to europe or na were not the best, but earned more money than their friends in korea. They cared about money and foreigners should too. If someone wants to see the best of the best, he can still watch gsl, starleague or proleague. Also this system makes blizzcon very special. Its the only tournament where we see foreigners vs koreans at the highest level. It will be a spectacle! agree with you except the last point. you dont see how your own point makes it impossible for blizzcon to be 'foreigners vs koreans AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL'? | ||
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HugoBallzak
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On July 18 2016 03:42 HugoBallzak wrote: Why did koreans turn down HSC? Oh I dunno, the prize pool, the lack of opportunities for Korean players outside of Korea, a need to focus on GSL, SSL and Proleague, or even many other factors at play here. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On July 18 2016 04:58 nath wrote: agree with you except the last point. you dont see how your own point makes it impossible for blizzcon to be 'foreigners vs koreans AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL'? WCS is a double-edged sword. Koreans have been so dominant in the WCS circuit that it's almost entirely disenfranchised the international scene. In 2013, no foreigners even won a single premier tournament, and in 2014, we didn't even get a foreigner qualify for Blizzcon. Yet the foreigners who did qualify for Blizzcon under the older sysstem (Naniwa and Lilbow) did so deserving, having fought through loads of international events packed with Korean competition, and through stacked WCS brackets. Yet on the other hand, region locking WCS in the abrupt way Blizzard did has led to Korean disenfranchisement as the Korean scene is simply too full for the amount of established players in the scene, hence the huge number of retirements. To my knowledge, there's even next to no Korean players on international teams anymore and the lack of KeSPA competition in the international scene will leave foreigners out of practice. That is unless foreigners can improve to an almost Korean-level of game knowledge and mechanics, then develop their own regional metagame, and dominate against KeSPA in other ways. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10675 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1886 Posts
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sa1Ko
Argentina99 Posts
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bestviva
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Kafka777
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 18 2016 01:35 Kaizor wrote: Actually i feel differently. I have seen Harstem play in 2014 and 2016 and in my eyes, he seemed to have improved. Better consistency and decision making. Overall i think he has a better mentality as well. For sure. Foreigners got a ton better. I think Harstem's right in some ways though. 2014 was probably the biggest skill increase for foreigners. Afterwards only a few koreans were left to become the people to beat. So foreigners were able to crack down and focus on beating those people. Then it pretty much became a near level playing field as it is now. Foreigners are pretty similar to Koreans now but it's absolutey all about the teamhouses. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:17 HugoBallzak wrote: blizzcon is so exciting that this is the first year i probably wont bother watching it. Pretty much this. The closer we get to Blizzcon, the less interested I become. I definitely am not watching the group stage, that's for sure | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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DinosaurPoop
687 Posts
On July 18 2016 06:52 Clbull wrote: That is unless foreigners can improve to an almost Korean-level of game knowledge and mechanics, then develop their own regional metagame, and dominate against KeSPA in other ways. I think foreigners are fine game-knowledge wise. I don't think it's like BW where people could actually reasonably say that foreign strategy is 2 years behind Korean strategy. Heck if zergs like soO and Solar could take advice from and praise CatZ I think we're fine. ForGG had lived in the EU meta for years and he could still bring INnoVation to game 5 at IEM. Decision making and mechanics though, I think foreigners still have a long way to go in catching up. | ||
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