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flyleaf
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany89 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-11 22:46:55
July 11 2016 22:46 GMT
#261
On July 12 2016 07:42 DalaiiLameR wrote:
if i update sc2 with the sea server, am i able to play on EU/NA again after that?

Nope, just did it.

http://imgur.com/a/bb7DO

It will work again when the patch hits EU/NA.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
July 11 2016 23:30 GMT
#262
Awesome! Exciting stuff let's gooooooooo
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
ruypture
Profile Joined May 2014
United States367 Posts
July 12 2016 00:06 GMT
#263
I hope the revamp will place me below masters so i can grind my way back up again
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
July 12 2016 09:24 GMT
#264
On July 12 2016 08:30 NonY wrote:
Awesome! Exciting stuff let's gooooooooo


Nice to see you hype
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MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 09:53:48
July 12 2016 09:52 GMT
#265
I think that everyone will love the new ladder system until they realize that they are just as stuck as before. Everyone around you improves their skill just as fast as you do, so your MMR will not increase at all, it will just fluctuate up and down.

This is not an RPG where you will level up, it is like real life where you have to fight just to avoid leveling down.
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 09:55:17
July 12 2016 09:54 GMT
#266
I just played a game, where can I see my mmr? Or will it actually be live in the new season?
On July 12 2016 18:52 MockHamill wrote:
I think that everyone will love the new ladder system until they realize that they are just as stuck as before. Everyone around you improves their skill just as fast as you do, so your MMR will not increase at all, it will just fluctuate up and down.

This is not an RPG where you will level up, it is like real life where you have to fight just to avoid levelling down.

At least you can actually see your "level". For competitive players that's way more convenient than the points and bonus pool system in combination with hidden mmr. This means that progress is way easier to track and because of that it comes closer to "levelling up". But you're right, it's not some linear process now.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
July 12 2016 09:59 GMT
#267
On July 12 2016 18:54 Bojas wrote:
I just played a game, where can I see my mmr? Or will it actually be live in the new season?
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 18:52 MockHamill wrote:
I think that everyone will love the new ladder system until they realize that they are just as stuck as before. Everyone around you improves their skill just as fast as you do, so your MMR will not increase at all, it will just fluctuate up and down.

This is not an RPG where you will level up, it is like real life where you have to fight just to avoid levelling down.

At least you can actually see your "level". For competitive players that's way more convenient than the points and bonus pool system in combination with hidden mmr. This means that progress is way easier to track and because of that it comes closer to "levelling up". But you're right, it's not some linear process now.

honestly I've been having no problems with the current system since I was masters. When you're not masters the unspent bonus pool is deceptive, sometimes you can be first in your gold division and not even being close to plat promotion. On the contrary when you're masters people are usually more active so it's not as deceptive except for very good masters with high winrates. Otherwise you just take their points and add their bonus pool to it to have a rough estimation of their "MMR".

That being said this change makes me happy, it'll be far easier to really assess your level in a given region.
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
July 12 2016 10:09 GMT
#268
On July 12 2016 18:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 18:54 Bojas wrote:
I just played a game, where can I see my mmr? Or will it actually be live in the new season?
On July 12 2016 18:52 MockHamill wrote:
I think that everyone will love the new ladder system until they realize that they are just as stuck as before. Everyone around you improves their skill just as fast as you do, so your MMR will not increase at all, it will just fluctuate up and down.

This is not an RPG where you will level up, it is like real life where you have to fight just to avoid levelling down.

At least you can actually see your "level". For competitive players that's way more convenient than the points and bonus pool system in combination with hidden mmr. This means that progress is way easier to track and because of that it comes closer to "levelling up". But you're right, it's not some linear process now.

honestly I've been having no problems with the current system since I was masters. When you're not masters the unspent bonus pool is deceptive, sometimes you can be first in your gold division and not even being close to plat promotion. On the contrary when you're masters people are usually more active so it's not as deceptive except for very good masters with high winrates. Otherwise you just take their points and add their bonus pool to it to have a rough estimation of their "MMR".

That being said this change makes me happy, it'll be far easier to really assess your level in a given region.

Yeah, you can quite easily judge your mmr by looking at your points and accounting for bonus pool. But honestly playing for points when it's mmr that matters makes no sense to me, so I generally rarely deplete my bonus pool.

Once you're higher on the masters ladder people generally have points beyond their bonus pool because it inflates over the season. So someone in top 8 could have a 50% winrate, but points that are greater than 100% of their bonus pool. Generally ranging between 100%-150%. Then again, that happens because they have higher mmr. But it just seems like a needlessly complicated system to me.

But I don't understand, is the patch live on EU? I saw a post on Reddit by Excalibur_Z and it looked live there, but I don't have a post-match screen that looks like that? (http://i.imgur.com/UPrb8y3.jpg)
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
July 12 2016 10:16 GMT
#269
On July 12 2016 19:09 Bojas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2016 18:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 12 2016 18:54 Bojas wrote:
I just played a game, where can I see my mmr? Or will it actually be live in the new season?
On July 12 2016 18:52 MockHamill wrote:
I think that everyone will love the new ladder system until they realize that they are just as stuck as before. Everyone around you improves their skill just as fast as you do, so your MMR will not increase at all, it will just fluctuate up and down.

This is not an RPG where you will level up, it is like real life where you have to fight just to avoid levelling down.

At least you can actually see your "level". For competitive players that's way more convenient than the points and bonus pool system in combination with hidden mmr. This means that progress is way easier to track and because of that it comes closer to "levelling up". But you're right, it's not some linear process now.

honestly I've been having no problems with the current system since I was masters. When you're not masters the unspent bonus pool is deceptive, sometimes you can be first in your gold division and not even being close to plat promotion. On the contrary when you're masters people are usually more active so it's not as deceptive except for very good masters with high winrates. Otherwise you just take their points and add their bonus pool to it to have a rough estimation of their "MMR".

That being said this change makes me happy, it'll be far easier to really assess your level in a given region.

Yeah, you can quite easily judge your mmr by looking at your points and accounting for bonus pool. But honestly playing for points when it's mmr that matters makes no sense to me, so I generally rarely deplete my bonus pool.

Once you're higher on the masters ladder people generally have points beyond their bonus pool because it inflates over the season. So someone in top 8 could have a 50% winrate, but points that are greater than 100% of their bonus pool. Generally ranging between 100%-150%. Then again, that happens because they have higher mmr. But it just seems like a needlessly complicated system to me.

But I don't understand, is the patch live on EU? I saw a post on Reddit by Excalibur_Z and it looked live there, but I don't have a post-match screen that looks like that? (http://i.imgur.com/UPrb8y3.jpg)

It's live on SEA. Should go live on EU after maintenance tomorrow.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
( bush
Profile Joined April 2011
321 Posts
July 12 2016 12:51 GMT
#270
When does the patch go live on NA? Today? In a few hours?
oo
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
July 12 2016 13:02 GMT
#271
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PolymakTri
Profile Joined December 2012
Russian Federation37 Posts
July 12 2016 16:32 GMT
#272
Its live now!
myRZeth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1047 Posts
July 12 2016 16:49 GMT
#273
It's live folks!
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-12 17:21:25
July 12 2016 17:14 GMT
#274
On July 13 2016 01:49 myRZeth wrote:
It's live folks!


Only on SEA right?

edit : and NA apparently, EU PLS :'(
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
July 12 2016 17:24 GMT
#275
On July 13 2016 02:14 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 01:49 myRZeth wrote:
It's live folks!


Only on SEA right?

edit : and NA apparently, EU PLS :'(

It'll go live on EU after maintenance which is tonight.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
July 12 2016 17:27 GMT
#276
On July 13 2016 02:24 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2016 02:14 ArtyK wrote:
On July 13 2016 01:49 myRZeth wrote:
It's live folks!


Only on SEA right?

edit : and NA apparently, EU PLS :'(

It'll go live on EU after maintenance which is tonight.


Scandalous server bias as always :D
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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CycoDude
Profile Joined November 2010
United States326 Posts
July 12 2016 19:44 GMT
#277
meh, the new league distribution is kind of lame. i've been placed into tier 3 diamond...i've only been in diamond once in the entire time (since wol) of playing sc2. i'm usually gold / plat. it kind of makes being in diamond seem less...notable. i mean, this was the highest league back in wol before master / grandmaster was a thing. got matched with someone in diamond and left right off the bat, as that would've otherwise meant a player two leagues above me (and way too strong an opponent). lol fml...
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
July 12 2016 20:17 GMT
#278
All I am curious is how Contender league filled up on NA in like 30 minutes, and now it is impossible to get into as well? lol
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
July 12 2016 20:34 GMT
#279
I'm not sure why the game does not just re-include demotions. If a player's MMR is visible, at least they know where they are and if they are on the cusp of demotion, which I believe would be a motivational tool to play harder to avoid demotion. Players who get lucky and place in divisions higher than their actual skill and being stuck in that division the entire season is demotivating for both the player stuck in the higher division, but also any player who plays them thinking that "divisions mean nothing". Every other relevant and large-scale multiplayer competitive game has demotions and that has not effected their player base.

It's just funny that SC2 has an extremely forgiving and misleading ranked system, while Overwatch has one of the most brutal and unforgiving ones. Great job blizz!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
dr3am_b3ing
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada188 Posts
July 12 2016 20:59 GMT
#280
Does the new system allow for deranking in a league or deranking in tiers?
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