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On July 13 2016 16:36 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 16:31 Mendelfist wrote:On July 13 2016 16:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 13 2016 16:23 Mendelfist wrote:
So, according to the reddit link this means that the ranges overlap by one point, i.e. the end of B1 is 2600 and the start of S3is also 2600? Or are the reddit guys just sloppy? The values actually go into the decimals, they're just truncated in the client. There's probably not a single round value in the bunch =) ... How did you know that? :-) Someone long ago told me something back when we were trying to figure out league and division tier offsets and I rolled my eyes and laughed at the reality. Like how the Master offset from one season was 125.55. Or how the GM offset from that same season was 463.8375. Come on... really?? I really wish I was making this up.
This offends my sense of elegance. There is still hidden information here. We have to start a project of calculating the exact boundaries immediately.
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United States12257 Posts
So the actual spans for the leagues total round numbers: Silver 560, Gold 320, Plat 360, Diamond 800. Since it seems they're trying to make each tier equal in rating range, the "186 187 187" for Silver probably ends up being "0-186.66 (truncated diff 186), 186.67-373.33 (truncated diff 187), 373.34-560 (truncated diff 187)". The actual offset for the league itself could be anywhere from 2973.00001 to 2973.99999.
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On July 13 2016 16:15 Excalibur_Z wrote:League MMR Floor (NA) Rating Range
GM Dynamic N/A
M1 5032 N/A
M2 4834 198
M3 4640 194
D1 4373 267
D2 4106 267
D3 3840 266
P1 3720 120
P2 3600 120
P3 3480 120
G1 3373 107
G2 3266 107
G3 3160 106
S1 2973 187
S2 2786 187
S3 2600 186
B1
B2
B3 0 Reddit is crowdsourcing the MMR ranges for each league on each server (I'm also adding this info to Liquipedia as it gets filled out): https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4siu6j/figuring_out_the_mmr_ranges/Interestingly, assuming a normal distribution, the median of the curve is slightly to the left of the Gold/Plat boundary, and despite Plat and Gold being 23%, Plat's rating range is 40 more than Gold. You would think Silver and Diamond would theoretically also be equidistant from the origin, yet Diamond's rating range is 240 more than Silver. I assume we have enough data here to extrapolate the remaining Bronze X-coordinates AND identify the population breakdown of each tier (they're not equal), but I'm not familiar enough with cumulative distribution functions to be able to solve them.
Tried to fit a normal to it, it's not a good fit. The normal that minimizes the square difference between the theoretical and observed cumulative probabilities has mean 3502.7961 and sd 614.2385, which gives predictions that are too low at the tails and too high in the middle. Definitely not normal.
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this whole ladder revamp thing is pretty amazing so far, gonna grind for the first time ever
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so I haven't been following SC2 at all for a few month now but this ladder revamp looks just too good to not play again at least a little bit.
Got one question though: did Blizzard say anything about updating the automated tournament system in the recent weeks/months? I just checked and still seems to be the same 3-round 1v1 bo1s throughout that it was when I left.
I would really love to see bigger automated tourneys with more rounds that also allow bo3 and bo5, so any news on that?
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I have to work a shit ton today, but the SC2 icon on my desktop is staring at me. I've always enjoyed grinding games, but now I seriously fear that the addiction might come back once I click on "find match" for the first time. The criticism stated towards the revamped system is valid, but at least we FINALLY have a system that shows exactly where you're at.
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On July 13 2016 20:24 Yello wrote:
Got one question though: did Blizzard say anything about updating the automated tournament system in the recent weeks/months? I just checked and still seems to be the same 3-round 1v1 bo1s throughout that it was when I left.
I would really love to see bigger automated tourneys with more rounds that also allow bo3 and bo5, so any news on that?
There are 6 round tourneys on fridays to sundays with groupstages, but apart from trophy toppings idk if they added more stuff.
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Awesome stuff.
I just really disappointed we didn't get the glorious ladder portrait but the lame anime one
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On July 13 2016 21:20 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Awesome stuff.
I just really disappointed we didn't get the glorious ladder portrait but the lame anime one
The ladder portrait is in-game, too. I think it's for 50 ranked games,
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On July 13 2016 21:28 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 21:20 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Awesome stuff.
I just really disappointed we didn't get the glorious ladder portrait but the lame anime one The ladder portrait is in-game, too. I think it's for 50 ranked games,
Oooooh nice
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I think I need to create a habit to not look at the summary screen.
Never seen something that kills my passion more.
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On July 13 2016 23:22 Liox wrote:
I think I need to create a habit to not look at the summary screen.
Never seen something that kill my passion more.
lol what
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how big is the mmr decay? i was curious my mmr so i lost a game and ended up with 4350, but my last game was in december. do we know if its like -100 a month, if there's a cap on how much mmr you lose, capped on your original league etc?
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On July 14 2016 01:11 rauk wrote:
how big is the mmr decay? i was curious my mmr so i lost a game and ended up with 4350, but my last game was in december. do we know if its like -100 a month, if there's a cap on how much mmr you lose, capped on your original league etc?
Decay has been turned off for more than a year! You're good.
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On July 14 2016 01:12 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2016 01:11 rauk wrote:
how big is the mmr decay? i was curious my mmr so i lost a game and ended up with 4350, but my last game was in december. do we know if its like -100 a month, if there's a cap on how much mmr you lose, capped on your original league etc? Decay has been turned off for more than a year! You're good.
so in december i was masters and facing occasional GM and now i'm in diamond. so that should just be a result of mmr inflation then?
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Since this new ladder change, almost all my wins give me less than 10 points (against equal MMR) and I lose tons (-20), so I'm stuck at 13 points with a 13-8 winrate. My MMR should be closer to Master 2 (4800), but I'm stuck at super low Masters 3. What is this all about?
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On July 14 2016 01:51 JayuSC2 wrote:
Since this new ladder change, almost all my wins give me less than 10 points (against equal MMR) and I lose tons (-20), so I'm stuck at 13 points with a 13-8 winrate. My MMR should be closer to Master 2 (4800), but I'm stuck at super low Masters 3. What is this all about?
I assume you're talking about +10/-20 ladder points? Those are derived from the gap between your current non-bonus-pool points and your opponent's MMR, NOT your MMR vs his MMR. If you're facing same-MMR opponents and only earning +10/-20 then it means that your points are higher than your MMR for your particular tier, so they will gradually adjust downward to reflect that.
You're saying you have 4800 MMR and 13 points? How does that compare to others in your division and how much they're earning and losing per game?
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On July 14 2016 02:16 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2016 01:51 JayuSC2 wrote:
Since this new ladder change, almost all my wins give me less than 10 points (against equal MMR) and I lose tons (-20), so I'm stuck at 13 points with a 13-8 winrate. My MMR should be closer to Master 2 (4800), but I'm stuck at super low Masters 3. What is this all about? I assume you're talking about +10/-20 ladder points? Those are derived from the gap between your current non-bonus-pool points and your opponent's MMR, NOT your MMR vs his MMR. If you're facing same-MMR opponents and only earning +10/-20 then it means that your points are higher than your MMR for your particular tier, so they will gradually adjust downward to reflect that. You're saying you have 4800 MMR and 13 points? How does that compare to others in your division and how much they're earning and losing per game?
Yea, I should've mentioned that, cause that's the thing that makes no sense at all. Most people are way below my MMR, even the rank 1 in my division (has less than 100 MMR than me, but at the same time has over 100 points, with less games). There are a few others though, who seem to have the same issue as I do (high MMR, very low points with a decent win rate).
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wow I actually struggled like a noob to get master 3. It's strange since I've been easily master for seasons, so I should have been in m3 without question since master league is bigger. I admit I even expected to be master 2.
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Lot of ranks arent correct yet, i see some top tier master players in diamond 2 atm. Im sure it will settle over time.
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