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On July 10 2016 02:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
It should just be updated live, i doubt that anyone will truly give a damn about that little tension in the time frame anyway (at least after a while)
The bottom 10-20 spots would have so much overlap with Master league that they'd be constantly changing, and that ends up being a lot less cool than it sounds. You'd look at GM league every couple minutes and wonder "what happened to Player A? oh, must have gotten demoted..." and it would be really hard to track individual players, not to mention it would be pretty lame to be in GM league for the span of a few seconds.
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On July 10 2016 03:26 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 02:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
It should just be updated live, i doubt that anyone will truly give a damn about that little tension in the time frame anyway (at least after a while)
The bottom 10-20 spots would have so much overlap with Master league that they'd be constantly changing, and that ends up being a lot less cool than it sounds. You'd look at GM league every couple minutes and wonder "what happened to Player A? oh, must have gotten demoted..." and it would be really hard to track individual players, not to mention it would be pretty lame to be in GM league for the span of a few seconds.
Personally i wouldn't have a problem with that tbh, but i also would prefer a simple ranking based on mmr place 1 to 300000 :D
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While this is cool, I just wonder how much of an effect it'll really have on playerbase and viewership? I'm gonna play the game as much as I have and I don't think any of my friends who have quit are gonna come back long term for something like this. Gotta wonder what the future for SC is in Blizzard's plans
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On July 10 2016 03:26 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 02:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
It should just be updated live, i doubt that anyone will truly give a damn about that little tension in the time frame anyway (at least after a while)
The bottom 10-20 spots would have so much overlap with Master league that they'd be constantly changing, and that ends up being a lot less cool than it sounds. You'd look at GM league every couple minutes and wonder "what happened to Player A? oh, must have gotten demoted..." and it would be really hard to track individual players, not to mention it would be pretty lame to be in GM league for the span of a few seconds.
That's actually how Heroes of the Storm is right now. You do placements and get put into Diamond 3 (highest possible). You gain or lose ~200 points per game and get a promotion match at 1000 points. Win promo and you're D2. Do it again for D1. Do it again for Masters. Once in Masters, there are no more promotion matches. You just accumulate points. When you have enough points to be in the top 500, you are GM. If you lose the next game and you're not top 500 anymore, you're Masters. Lots of people hovering on the edge.
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On July 10 2016 08:16 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 03:26 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 10 2016 02:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
It should just be updated live, i doubt that anyone will truly give a damn about that little tension in the time frame anyway (at least after a while)
The bottom 10-20 spots would have so much overlap with Master league that they'd be constantly changing, and that ends up being a lot less cool than it sounds. You'd look at GM league every couple minutes and wonder "what happened to Player A? oh, must have gotten demoted..." and it would be really hard to track individual players, not to mention it would be pretty lame to be in GM league for the span of a few seconds. That's actually how Heroes of the Storm is right now. You do placements and get put into Diamond 3 (highest possible). You gain or lose ~200 points per game and get a promotion match at 1000 points. Win promo and you're D2. Do it again for D1. Do it again for Masters. Once in Masters, there are no more promotion matches. You just accumulate points. When you have enough points to be in the top 500, you are GM. If you lose the next game and you're not top 500 anymore, you're Masters. Lots of people hovering on the edge.
Do people complain about that? Because to me this looks totally fine and i personally would prefer it that way tbh
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On July 10 2016 08:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 08:16 NonY wrote:On July 10 2016 03:26 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 10 2016 02:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
It should just be updated live, i doubt that anyone will truly give a damn about that little tension in the time frame anyway (at least after a while)
The bottom 10-20 spots would have so much overlap with Master league that they'd be constantly changing, and that ends up being a lot less cool than it sounds. You'd look at GM league every couple minutes and wonder "what happened to Player A? oh, must have gotten demoted..." and it would be really hard to track individual players, not to mention it would be pretty lame to be in GM league for the span of a few seconds. That's actually how Heroes of the Storm is right now. You do placements and get put into Diamond 3 (highest possible). You gain or lose ~200 points per game and get a promotion match at 1000 points. Win promo and you're D2. Do it again for D1. Do it again for Masters. Once in Masters, there are no more promotion matches. You just accumulate points. When you have enough points to be in the top 500, you are GM. If you lose the next game and you're not top 500 anymore, you're Masters. Lots of people hovering on the edge. Do people complain about that? Because to me this looks totally fine and i personally would prefer it that way tbh
I haven't heard reactions but it's a pretty different situation from SC2. It certainly lacks stability. The way it works now, there are a ton of players within a few games of each other. Like winning three games in a row could get you from #500 to #250. There aren't enough players who can win a lot more than 50% of their games playing a ton of games to fill out all these ranks and make it stable. So people are kinda hovering, all slightly going up with inflation, but their current exact rank is more based on recent variance than it is reflective of skill. So the exact rankings are basically meaningless outside of the top. I think it would actually work better for SC2. When ladder reform was a topic of discussion, I advocated expanding GM beyond 200 people and having promotions/demotions more fluid.
I think what it really comes down to is whether you're trying to create a really special moment when getting into GM. People who have never played on a system that does a good job of creating that special moment won't know what they're missing. The more fluid it is, the less meaningful it is. With all the churn, the well-defined "I'm GM and he's not" is completely lost. I think what GM is supposed to be in SC2 is the last momentous occasion a player can have on the ladder until they're faced with just the cold hard numbers and ranking player-by-player, trying to climb to #1.
I grew up competing on ladders that were just the numbers, and common goals were top 1000, then top 500, then top 100, etc, until you're vying for #1. You had to make up the significance for yourself, and people in the community had an idea of what each meant. Modern ladders just replaced these numbers with other designations, which have context built-in so they're easier to understand. Anyway, there was never a time in SC2 when getting GM was significant to me. I've only been annoyed about not being able to get in when it's already full. So I can't speak to its value personally. But I definitely like the idea of GM like this for other people: it's a clear goal with a well-defined designation and once you achieve it you can then proceed to enjoy having an exact ranking to climb among the most skilled and competitive players. The Heroes of the Storm system has failed at that on both counts.
So now I'm against having it really fluid. I like it more meaningful. Players 201+ can deal with not knowing their rank. Getting into GM with this system will be a good goal for them.
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Any update on when this will be implemented?
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My bet is next season. So maybe some time next week?
Fingers crossed.
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On July 10 2016 22:05 `dunedain wrote:
My bet is next season. So maybe some time next week?
Fingers crossed.
the week after next week in fact because usually if they say that the season ends on 13 that means bonus pool won't keep growing but next season normally really begins the following week
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On July 10 2016 21:33 aLt)nirvana wrote:
Any update on when this will be implemented?
It was confirmed it would be next Wednesday when the season changes (I believe in both a b.net blog post and on the Reddit Q&A thread last week).
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On July 10 2016 22:05 `dunedain wrote:
My bet is next season. So maybe some time next week?
Fingers crossed.
Ladder lock was on the 10th
On July 11 2016 00:02 SirPirate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 21:33 aLt)nirvana wrote:
Any update on when this will be implemented? It was confirmed it would be next Wednesday when the season changes (I believe in both a b.net blog post and on the Reddit Q&A thread last week).
Any link to this? I think they just said "very very soon" - still hoping for this week as I have no work this week  .
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On July 12 2016 04:15 flyleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 22:05 `dunedain wrote:
My bet is next season. So maybe some time next week?
Fingers crossed. Ladder lock was on the 10th Show nested quote +On July 11 2016 00:02 SirPirate wrote:On July 10 2016 21:33 aLt)nirvana wrote:
Any update on when this will be implemented? It was confirmed it would be next Wednesday when the season changes (I believe in both a b.net blog post and on the Reddit Q&A thread last week). Any link to this? I think they just said "very very soon" - still hoping for this week as I have no work this week .
In the map pool announcement it says that the new maps would come along with the ladder revamp.
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well, there are server maintenances announced, so its almost sure, that 3.4 is coming in the next 2 days along with the new maps 
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On July 12 2016 04:29 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 04:15 flyleaf wrote:On July 10 2016 22:05 `dunedain wrote:
My bet is next season. So maybe some time next week?
Fingers crossed. Ladder lock was on the 10th On July 11 2016 00:02 SirPirate wrote:On July 10 2016 21:33 aLt)nirvana wrote:
Any update on when this will be implemented? It was confirmed it would be next Wednesday when the season changes (I believe in both a b.net blog post and on the Reddit Q&A thread last week). Any link to this? I think they just said "very very soon" - still hoping for this week as I have no work this week . In the map pool announcement it says that the new maps would come along with the ladder revamp.
Map pool announcement makes it sound like it won't be at the start of the season. It's just sometime during the season. Revamp will hit and when the revamp hits, those new maps "become" new season maps.
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On July 12 2016 06:05 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 04:29 Elentos wrote:On July 12 2016 04:15 flyleaf wrote:On July 10 2016 22:05 `dunedain wrote:
My bet is next season. So maybe some time next week?
Fingers crossed. Ladder lock was on the 10th On July 11 2016 00:02 SirPirate wrote:On July 10 2016 21:33 aLt)nirvana wrote:
Any update on when this will be implemented? It was confirmed it would be next Wednesday when the season changes (I believe in both a b.net blog post and on the Reddit Q&A thread last week). Any link to this? I think they just said "very very soon" - still hoping for this week as I have no work this week . In the map pool announcement it says that the new maps would come along with the ladder revamp. Map pool announcement makes it sound like it won't be at the start of the season. It's just sometime during the season. Revamp will hit and when the revamp hits, those new maps "become" new season maps.
Ladder revamp is looking to go live this week
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On July 12 2016 06:44 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 06:05 NonY wrote:On July 12 2016 04:29 Elentos wrote:On July 12 2016 04:15 flyleaf wrote:On July 10 2016 22:05 `dunedain wrote:
My bet is next season. So maybe some time next week?
Fingers crossed. Ladder lock was on the 10th On July 11 2016 00:02 SirPirate wrote:On July 10 2016 21:33 aLt)nirvana wrote:
Any update on when this will be implemented? It was confirmed it would be next Wednesday when the season changes (I believe in both a b.net blog post and on the Reddit Q&A thread last week). Any link to this? I think they just said "very very soon" - still hoping for this week as I have no work this week . In the map pool announcement it says that the new maps would come along with the ladder revamp. Map pool announcement makes it sound like it won't be at the start of the season. It's just sometime during the season. Revamp will hit and when the revamp hits, those new maps "become" new season maps. Ladder revamp is looking to go live this week
I'm so afraid to know my MMR and be able to measure my choboness
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On July 12 2016 06:44 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 06:05 NonY wrote:On July 12 2016 04:29 Elentos wrote:On July 12 2016 04:15 flyleaf wrote:On July 10 2016 22:05 `dunedain wrote:
My bet is next season. So maybe some time next week?
Fingers crossed. Ladder lock was on the 10th On July 11 2016 00:02 SirPirate wrote:On July 10 2016 21:33 aLt)nirvana wrote:
Any update on when this will be implemented? It was confirmed it would be next Wednesday when the season changes (I believe in both a b.net blog post and on the Reddit Q&A thread last week). Any link to this? I think they just said "very very soon" - still hoping for this week as I have no work this week . In the map pool announcement it says that the new maps would come along with the ladder revamp. Map pool announcement makes it sound like it won't be at the start of the season. It's just sometime during the season. Revamp will hit and when the revamp hits, those new maps "become" new season maps. Ladder revamp is looking to go live this week
? dead link. I'm still on 3.3 
edit: I think this is the blog you were talking about? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/20175311/new-ladder-maps-for-2016-season-3-7-6-2016
I'm just looking at this phrasing:
The upcoming Ladder Revamp will bring with it a series of new maps. These will become the new map pools for Season 3.
does not sound like the way you'd write it if it was all simultaneous with new season. emphasizes simultaneity with the revamp, not the season. but ofc it could all be together
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On July 12 2016 07:01 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 06:44 Elentos wrote:On July 12 2016 06:05 NonY wrote:On July 12 2016 04:29 Elentos wrote:On July 12 2016 04:15 flyleaf wrote:On July 10 2016 22:05 `dunedain wrote:
My bet is next season. So maybe some time next week?
Fingers crossed. Ladder lock was on the 10th On July 11 2016 00:02 SirPirate wrote:On July 10 2016 21:33 aLt)nirvana wrote:
Any update on when this will be implemented? It was confirmed it would be next Wednesday when the season changes (I believe in both a b.net blog post and on the Reddit Q&A thread last week). Any link to this? I think they just said "very very soon" - still hoping for this week as I have no work this week . In the map pool announcement it says that the new maps would come along with the ladder revamp. Map pool announcement makes it sound like it won't be at the start of the season. It's just sometime during the season. Revamp will hit and when the revamp hits, those new maps "become" new season maps. Ladder revamp is looking to go live this week ? dead link. I'm still on 3.3 edit: I think this is the blog you were talking about? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/20175311/new-ladder-maps-for-2016-season-3-7-6-2016I'm just looking at this phrasing: Show nested quote +The upcoming Ladder Revamp will bring with it a series of new maps. These will become the new map pools for Season 3. does not sound like the way you'd write it if it was all simultaneous with new season. emphasizes simultaneity with the revamp, not the season. but ofc it could all be together
Seems like the Patch is live on Southeast Asia (Update instead of Play-Button) - so it will most likely come very soon to NA.
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On July 12 2016 07:01 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2016 06:44 Elentos wrote:On July 12 2016 06:05 NonY wrote:On July 12 2016 04:29 Elentos wrote:On July 12 2016 04:15 flyleaf wrote:On July 10 2016 22:05 `dunedain wrote:
My bet is next season. So maybe some time next week?
Fingers crossed. Ladder lock was on the 10th On July 11 2016 00:02 SirPirate wrote:On July 10 2016 21:33 aLt)nirvana wrote:
Any update on when this will be implemented? It was confirmed it would be next Wednesday when the season changes (I believe in both a b.net blog post and on the Reddit Q&A thread last week). Any link to this? I think they just said "very very soon" - still hoping for this week as I have no work this week . In the map pool announcement it says that the new maps would come along with the ladder revamp. Map pool announcement makes it sound like it won't be at the start of the season. It's just sometime during the season. Revamp will hit and when the revamp hits, those new maps "become" new season maps. Ladder revamp is looking to go live this week ? dead link. I'm still on 3.3 edit: I think this is the blog you were talking about? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/20175311/new-ladder-maps-for-2016-season-3-7-6-2016I'm just looking at this phrasing: Show nested quote +The upcoming Ladder Revamp will bring with it a series of new maps. These will become the new map pools for Season 3. does not sound like the way you'd write it if it was all simultaneous with new season. emphasizes simultaneity with the revamp, not the season. but ofc it could all be together
The patch is (going) live in SEA atm.
Regarding the wording, it's probably just poor phrasing, the new ladder season starts this week also, so it is rather simultaneous (if not completely).
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if i update sc2 with the sea server, am i able to play on EU/NA again after that?
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