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[WCS] Spring Championship 2016 - Preview - Page 2

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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 13 2016 07:23 GMT
#21
On May 13 2016 16:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So if the player at 27 can be one game away from both GSL and SSL, I wonder how many of these guys could get in. Maybe Strange, Huk and iaguz could do it?

yeah they would totally make it over Bomber
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-13 08:54:42
May 13 2016 08:54 GMT
#22
Nice to have an entertaining event while waiting for the Proleague finals!

Go HuK! I want many many interviews with HuK!
Go Scarlett! Show how it can be mentally strengthening to try your luck in the hardest competition in the world!
Go Polt! Switch back to your god mode and show everyone who doubts you who you are Cptn.!
And Snute could win it all? :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
May 13 2016 08:58 GMT
#23
Snute so high TL bias fire author immediately fire whole staff Neeb #1 MURICA
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
PtitDrogo
Profile Joined May 2011
France163 Posts
May 13 2016 09:15 GMT
#24
Last time I was way too high now way too low ahah, oh well I guess I should try to not get 3-0ed this time
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Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
May 13 2016 10:56 GMT
#25
Wait I thought snute 1, bunny 2 and vortix 3 not enough liquid bias Pls allow taeja in he would rekt everyone scrubs

Honestly though I think hydra should be 2 not snute
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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
May 13 2016 11:10 GMT
#26
On May 13 2016 16:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So if the player at 27 can be one game away from both GSL and SSL, I wonder how many of these guys could get in. Maybe Strange, Huk and iaguz could do it?

Unfortunately I rate Scarlett's consistent failures in her region - losing to Semper in Kings of the North, PiLiPiLi/JonSnow in Dreamhack Austin Qualifiers, Drunkenboi in Regionals, puCK in GPL - higher than her relative success in one game out of 3 against Bomber/Ryung and two games out of 3 against Elazer in GPL. I might've bumped her up with SSL results, but by then the article was largely finished and the bump-up wouldn't be significant anyway.

Note that JonSnow was one game away from beating Hydra in Dreamhack Austin. One game matters a lot.
Writermaru pls
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1710 Posts
May 13 2016 11:17 GMT
#27
wow christ nerds about these rankings. write your own if you're so bothered by it
Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
May 13 2016 11:52 GMT
#28
I gotta say, I don't really get Polt's placement here.

Nice write-up, though.
Taari
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany138 Posts
May 13 2016 12:25 GMT
#29
Agreeing with most of it. i miss the harstem-dayshi-line from winter. now we have the happy-line?
Happy, herO, Neeb, Zest, uThermal, Welmu, Creator, VortiX, ShoWTimE
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
May 13 2016 12:49 GMT
#30
On May 13 2016 21:25 Taari wrote:
Agreeing with most of it. i miss the harstem-dayshi-line from winter. now we have the happy-line?

The SortOf line is more of a thing- everyone above SortOf is a person with known potential and everyone below him is pretty fringe/uncertain.
Writermaru pls
ANGELIAS1234
Profile Joined September 2011
United States46 Posts
May 13 2016 13:09 GMT
#31
i know i will not be watching it if them are the only player i want the best and they are not the best
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
May 13 2016 13:49 GMT
#32
On May 13 2016 22:09 ANGELIAS1234 wrote:
i know i will not be watching it if them are the only player i want the best and they are not the best

Wait! Polt is the best and Snute is among the best!

Somehow, I RegreT that Snute never tried what NoRegreT almost achieved.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9391 Posts
May 13 2016 13:55 GMT
#33
He’ll be horribly shown up at an event, and blitz his way through the next,


Sounds like a cool story, but I don't remember that this is actually true. If anything I remember Polt as someone who always shows up at a high consistency. His atrocious performance vs Firecake is not something that I remember having seen before.

Also given that Polt has lots the last few series vs Neeb and the last series vs Puck, I don't believe you can justify him at #1. I am not sure I would even have him at top 5.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
May 13 2016 13:56 GMT
#34
Captn. America is the best when it matters ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9391 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-13 14:19:21
May 13 2016 14:15 GMT
#35
Are you same its the same author who writes both articles? Let's look at the argument for rating Iaguz over Scarlett

He even beat Bails in a showmatch afterwards, which alongside his good performance in WCS prior pushes him up quite nicely.


Now let's look at the reasoning for Scarlett:

INnoVation, Ryung, Zoun, herO and Bomber. This matches her generally underwhelming performance throughout Legacy of the Void. A win over Elazer at WCS Shanghai was a welcome surprise, but even then, puCK knocked her out and stole the show.


So for some reason Scarlett's win over Elazer gets downplayed whereas Iaguz who basically only has beaten Australians througout LOTV and won one seires over a mediocore NA player - Bails - gets rewarded.

Talking about Bails, Scarlett is 11-5 over Bails over the last 3 months.

But for some reason, its problematic when Scarlett loses to Scarlett. I am sure Iaguz would beat Innovation and Ryung on the other hand.

These types of rankings are a recurring theme in TLs power rankings. Some stuff are just not a matter of opinion, but straight up wrong in every single way you can look at it.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9391 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-13 14:33:00
May 13 2016 14:23 GMT
#36
Unfortunately I rate Scarlett's consistent failures in her region - losing to Semper in Kings of the North, PiLiPiLi/JonSnow in Dreamhack Austin Qualifiers, Drunkenboi in Regionals, puCK in GPL - higher than her relative success in one game out of 3 against Bomber/Ryung and two games out of 3 against Elazer in GPL. I might've bumped her up with SSL results, but by then the article was largely finished and the bump-up wouldn't be significant anyway.


Your just nitpicking here on her bad results. She played a ton of games in LOTV and ofc she is gonna lose too worse players once in a while. But on average, her results are a clear level above that of Iaguz.

The argument of rating Iaguz above that of Scarlett because he managed to beat Bails is one of the worst I have ever heard.

And if you are going to nitpick on bad results, why not look at Iaguz's 1-8 receord vs PIG!!!!

Pig is worse than Drunkenboi, Semper, Jonsnow, Pilipi or whoever Scarlett has lost to (once - like she usually beats Drunkenboi). And Iaguz has no wins that are as good as those of Scarlett.

but if any other North American player had her results there’d be almost no hype going into Tours for them


And how did you manage to get from "no reason to hype her up" to "one of the worst players at the tournmant". Noone expects her to win nor believe she is one of the favourites. However, she is unqestionably better than some of the better ranked players - most obviously Iaguz, who probably is the worst player at the tournament.
RichardNPL
Profile Joined November 2015
185 Posts
May 13 2016 14:42 GMT
#37
On May 13 2016 16:23 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2016 16:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So if the player at 27 can be one game away from both GSL and SSL, I wonder how many of these guys could get in. Maybe Strange, Huk and iaguz could do it?

yeah they would totally make it over Bomber

I think huk could dunno about Strange or iaguz
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
May 13 2016 14:44 GMT
#38
On May 13 2016 23:23 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
Unfortunately I rate Scarlett's consistent failures in her region - losing to Semper in Kings of the North, PiLiPiLi/JonSnow in Dreamhack Austin Qualifiers, Drunkenboi in Regionals, puCK in GPL - higher than her relative success in one game out of 3 against Bomber/Ryung and two games out of 3 against Elazer in GPL. I might've bumped her up with SSL results, but by then the article was largely finished and the bump-up wouldn't be significant anyway.


Your just nitpicking here on her bad results. She played a ton of games in LOTV and ofc she is gonna lose too worse players once in a while. But on average, her results are a clear level above that of Iaguz.

The argument of rating Iaguz above that of Scarlett because he managed to beat Bails is one of the worst I have ever heard.

And if you are going to nitpick on bad results, why not look at Iaguz's 1-8 receord vs PIG!!!!

Pig is worse than Drunkenboi, Semper, Jonsnow, Pilipi or whoever Scarlett has lost to (once - like she usually beats Drunkenboi). And Iaguz has no wins that are as good as those of Scarlett.

Show nested quote +
but if any other North American player had her results there’d be almost no hype going into Tours for them


And how did you manage to get from "no reason to hype her up" to "one of the worst players at the tournmant". Noone expects her to win nor believe she is one of the favourites. However, she is unqestionably better than some of the better ranked players - most obviously Iaguz, who probably is the worst player at the tournament.


inb4 Iaguz 3-0s Scarlett
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1773 Posts
May 13 2016 14:50 GMT
#39
How in the world is Vortix so high? He literally hasn't done anything in LotV. Liquid bias is real.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 13 2016 14:52 GMT
#40
Hydra looked pretty good in Austin and current form is more important than months long history. But I believe Polt can always come back, he is just incredibly good at getting good. So I would put those two as favourites, but no idea who is actually ahead.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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