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seemsgood
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TheDougler
Canada8313 Posts
On March 15 2016 06:46 Ve5pa wrote: Seems strange that Austin has an open bracket and Tours doesn't. Surely would be more effective and higher standard of play for both tournaments if it was the other way around. ...On the one hand, outch man. Them some harsh words. But, on the other hand, you're probably correct. | ||
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Elentos
55586 Posts
On March 15 2016 06:46 Ve5pa wrote: Seems strange that Austin has an open bracket and Tours doesn't. Surely would be more effective and higher standard of play for both tournaments if it was the other way around. But Tours basically is a WCS Premier now. Those didn't have open brackets to begin with. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On March 15 2016 06:46 Ve5pa wrote: Seems strange that Austin has an open bracket and Tours doesn't. Surely would be more effective and higher standard of play for both tournaments if it was the other way around. How does an open bracket raise the standard of play? Some players won't travel unless they know they will be in the Ro32. I think having open qualifiers is a better way. Open qualifiers are essentially an open bracket that everyone can play in rather than only those who can afford to travel. Open brackets are kinda just favors to lower skilled players who are either local or richer and can thus afford to travel with less promise of reward. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On March 15 2016 08:59 NonY wrote: WCS Circuit brackets are kinda just favors to lower skilled players who are local FTFY | ||
digmouse
China6331 Posts
On March 15 2016 04:24 OtherWorld wrote: inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something People are too busy to focus fire on WCS itself. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1207 Posts
On March 15 2016 06:01 boxerfred wrote: Cool! Not going to watch though, foreigners dont pull me to a stream. Good luck to the attendees. Out of curiosity, at what level of Koreans would you watch? Would you watch if Polt and Hydra were playing? (Of ir they're too low level, would you watch if Rogue and Reality were playing a Proleague match? I'm just wondering, because Mana just beat Reality in the Ting Open, Snute beat Ryung in that same tournament, and a couple weeks before, Nerchio went 2-3 to sOs and Bly beat an (out of form) Rogue 3-1. If the argument is that Foreigners operate at a lower level than Koreans (and thus are less interesting to watch), then my question is at what level of Koreans does one draw the line, because it seems to me that many in the European scene, and a few from the NA scene are able to go almost evenly versus Korean b-teamers and, on occasion, some of the higher ranked players. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12131 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12131 Posts
On March 15 2016 17:11 FrkFrJss wrote: Out of curiosity, at what level of Koreans would you watch? Would you watch if Polt and Hydra were playing? (Of ir they're too low level, would you watch if Rogue and Reality were playing a Proleague match? I'm just wondering, because Mana just beat Reality in the Ting Open, Snute beat Ryung in that same tournament, and a couple weeks before, Nerchio went 2-3 to sOs and Bly beat an (out of form) Rogue 3-1. If the argument is that Foreigners operate at a lower level than Koreans (and thus are less interesting to watch), then my question is at what level of Koreans does one draw the line, because it seems to me that many in the European scene, and a few from the NA scene are able to go almost evenly versus Korean b-teamers and, on occasion, some of the higher ranked players. That's the irony, right now have foreigners the biggest chance of beating Korean top players(maybe not the top of the top, but...  ). But they are artificially separated. Once the skill gap will get bigger and bigger because the meta have settled, it won't be interesting that much.Though the skill gap is there and can be seen if you want to. Also the not that much fun part - I was watching only games of Polt from ro16 I think. The commentary bias was pathetic. Whoever was against Polt was praised to be a god and then they said "but Polt is good too". C'mon, do they have to do this? That's why I am tending to skip the next tournaments. I don't want to hear any idiotic praise of welfare players. (and yes, they are good, but not THAT good) Edit> Damn it, forget that I posted previously >< Sorry for double post. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1207 Posts
On March 15 2016 18:37 deacon.frost wrote: That's the irony, right now have foreigners the biggest chance of beating Korean top players(maybe not the top of the top, but... ). But they are artificially separated. Once the skill gap will get bigger and bigger because the meta have settled, it won't be interesting that much.Though the skill gap is there and can be seen if you want to. Also the not that much fun part - I was watching only games of Polt from ro16 I think. The commentary bias was pathetic. Whoever was against Polt was praised to be a god and then they said "but Polt is good too". C'mon, do they have to do this? That's why I am tending to skip the next tournaments. I don't want to hear any idiotic praise of welfare players. (and yes, they are good, but not THAT good) Edit> Damn it, forget that I posted previously >< Sorry for double post. Fair point, the meta is rather unstable right now, and that instability can give an advantage to foreigners, but will the settling of the meta create a skill gap wider than the current one? Look at HotS, the foreigners did well and then terrible for two years and then in 2015, foreigners did much, much better. In IEM Shenzhen, Snute took out Rain and Classic, who were both very high level players. As for caster bias, I mean, you're going to find that wherever you watch Starcraft. Even in high level Korean play, someone will say that this person is good and then Zest will beat Maru 3-0. And then lose to TangTang. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On March 15 2016 04:24 OtherWorld wrote: inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something You asked for it... I'm still disappointed its in Tours, that still doesn't make any sense. First of all its bad for the audience, going to tour means Taking TGV or renting a car in paris ( assuming european/americans/asians will arrive in france in the national airport ) and whereas a plane ticket to paris is really cheap ( around 20 euros for any european ), renting a car or taking the TGV is not ( its 70 euros minimum ) + Taxi fare once you are arrived. This is a good way to repulse anyone that isn't french to go GG. Secondly Tour has nothing that is esport related, Paris has Millenium,aAa,NuitBlanche,The meltdown,Ogaming, multiple well known LAN rooms,Webedia ect ect... Now i know that Dreamhack probably doesn't give a fuck but this would actually mean a lot to people coming from all across the world. Then you have the city itself : Paris doesn't need an introduction , its gorgeous. Tours is actually a shithole the only thing cool about Tours is that when you pass it with you car the highway gives you a nice view on the water tower where its written "saint pierre des corps" on it ( french people Know what i'm talking about ). Other than that Tour is one of the most boring city of all time, its grey, it has nothing worth visiting, the people don't have a unique culture, there's no good food, there's no exceptional nature...This is literally the most bland city of all france. When it comes to the technical stuff cities like Paris have 1 GB / s optical fiber when tour is probably struggling with some shitty 100 meg fiber. Paris also has a huge transportation network allowing people to move around whereas tour has really crappy buses. Annnd finally to clarify when i say "Paris" its Paris and its surroundings but that doesn't matter since you can get pretty much anywhere with the transportation ( ask aeromi he's an "expert" on suburbs parisian trains x) ). As for the actual cost i'm sure that there's plenty of rooms in paris that were just as expensive at this thing in tours ( that nobody has ever heard of tbh ), you don't have to do ala Ogaming in a prestigious venue but the suburbs offer some pretty good alternatives ( that goes for the hosting too, a lot of suburbs offer cheap hotels ( as cheap as tours at least ) ) PS : I'm sorry if you live in tours, i promise that i'll try to send you anti-depressants and weed if you leave me your address. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On March 15 2016 17:11 FrkFrJss wrote: Out of curiosity, at what level of Koreans would you watch? Would you watch if Polt and Hydra were playing? (Of ir they're too low level, would you watch if Rogue and Reality were playing a Proleague match? I'm just wondering, because Mana just beat Reality in the Ting Open, Snute beat Ryung in that same tournament, and a couple weeks before, Nerchio went 2-3 to sOs and Bly beat an (out of form) Rogue 3-1. If the argument is that Foreigners operate at a lower level than Koreans (and thus are less interesting to watch), then my question is at what level of Koreans does one draw the line, because it seems to me that many in the European scene, and a few from the NA scene are able to go almost evenly versus Korean b-teamers and, on occasion, some of the higher ranked players. I don't care for foreigners and not too much for koreigners. What you describe are games that I'd watch (and have watched) since I really enjoy the foreigner vs. korean story lines. I feel like Blizzard treats the Koreans absolutely unfair and I will not support anything that is WCS Circuit related by tuning in, buying a sponsor's products, or anything at all. | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
WCS Circuit event qualifiers don't favor local players at all except for the Championship where the host country gets 2 extra players. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 15 2016 20:29 shid0x wrote: First of all its bad for the audience, going to tour means Taking TGV or renting a car in paris ( assuming european/americans/asians will arrive in france in the national airport ) and whereas a plane ticket to paris is really cheap ( around 20 euros for any european ), renting a car or taking the TGV is not ( its 70 euros minimum ) + Taxi fare once you are arrived. This is a good way to repulse anyone that isn't french to go GG. Because there are absolutely no other trains then TGV in France and the only way to get around a city is by taxi, right? Also the idea that a European can get a plane ticket to France for 20E is really funny. Maybe once in while, if you happen to live in the right place and very unlikely to get it timed right for the DH. Otherwise, 20E doesn't even cover the airport tax ... The typical "good" price from Prague to Paris is about 100-150 E return. Sorry, but you are just making stuff up to support your argument. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1207 Posts
On March 15 2016 21:09 boxerfred wrote: I don't care for foreigners and not too much for koreigners. What you describe are games that I'd watch (and have watched) since I really enjoy the foreigner vs. korean story lines. I feel like Blizzard treats the Koreans absolutely unfair and I will not support anything that is WCS Circuit related by tuning in, buying a sponsor's products, or anything at all. Ah, ok that makes sense. I mean, Blizzard didn't take away GSL or the SSL, so it's not like they're completely discriminating against the Koreans. I guess we'll have to see whether the overall scene suffers or grows by having the separation. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On March 15 2016 23:24 opisska wrote: Because there are absolutely no other trains then TGV in France and the only way to get around a city is by taxi, right? Also the idea that a European can get a plane ticket to France for 20E is really funny. Maybe once in while, if you happen to live in the right place and very unlikely to get it timed right for the DH. Otherwise, 20E doesn't even cover the airport tax ... The typical "good" price from Prague to Paris is about 100-150 E return. Sorry, but you are just making stuff up to support your argument. Yeah there's no other train that goes from Paris to Tours man, except maybe the Intercité which is also expensive. Ohhh and you want to get around a city in France with you luggage, be my guess ! I'd love to see you get in our buses kek. The fact is unless you want you life to be a Pain you will have to taxi from the train station to your hotel. I'll admit that i hyperboled the 20 euros flight but 100 euros trip is more fair ( and its STILL CHEAP , that's like 50 euros per trip ) Btw i just ran a small simulation, the fees for spannish man would be 100 euros plane from madrid + 97 euros for the train to tours + around lets say 10-20 euros of taxis / Uber. That's 117 euros this guy is spend just for going to tours ( LOL ). YOU COULD take blablacar from paris to tours (that is cheap) but for anyone that doesn't speak french its gonna be complicated. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 16 2016 00:56 shid0x wrote: Yeah there's no other train that goes from Paris to Tours man, except maybe the Intercité which is also expensive. Ohhh and you want to get around a city in France with you luggage, be my guess ! I'd love to see you get in our buses kek. The fact is unless you want you life to be a Pain you will have to taxi from the train station to your hotel. I'll admit that i hyperboled the 20 euros flight but 100 euros trip is more fair ( and its STILL CHEAP , that's like 50 euros per trip ) Btw i just ran a small simulation, the fees for spannish man would be 100 euros plane from madrid + 97 euros for the train to tours + around lets say 10-20 euros of taxis / Uber. That's 117 euros this guy is spend just for going to tours ( LOL ). YOU COULD take blablacar from paris to tours (that is cheap) but for anyone that doesn't speak french its gonna be complicated. You can get IC tickets to Tours for 15E one way - the seats are limited, but there are even some free for tomorrow on the SNCF website, purchasable in English. Or these is a bus for the same price, also sold by SNCF, is you want the convenience of planning on one website. I don't speak a word in French, yet I have never had any issue travelling in France - or any European country for that matter. I have also taken a 70L backpack on a public bus in several French cities without any issues and that's like 4 times larger than you would ever need for a couple of days in a city. Again, you are just making problems for the sake of problems. Or you are really spoiled - which is your problem, but stop making that a standard. | ||
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Celepharn
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 16 2016 01:16 Celepharn wrote: Without koreans DH isnt just appealing to me anymore You know, I would have said that a month ago. But I have unexpectedly and unexcuseably enjoyed the WCS winter championship. Yeah, I like Korean SC2. But I realised that I get enough of it these days and this, while quite different, is also fun. Sadly, I am gonna miss it because I will be travelling to Japan that weekend. | ||
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