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WCS coming to France!
DreamHack Tours from May 14–16 will feature the third stop of the DreamHack ZOWIE Open, and will host the $150,000 USD StarCraft II WCS Circuit Spring Championship where the winner will earn a direct seed into the WCS Global Playoffs!
DreamHack will return for its second consecutive year to Tours, France in May, and this time StarCraft II will be bigger than ever, in what is sure to be a tournament attendees will be clamoring to watch—the WCS Circuit Spring Championship! A field of 32 of the Circuit’s best StarCraft II players will be competing live for a ticket to the WCS Global Playoffs, their share of the massive $150,000 prize pool, and a cut of the 11,000 WCS Circuit points up for grabs.
France has always been one of the most impressive nations when it comes to real-time strategy games, producing legendary players like Stephano and ToD. We recently saw PtitDrogo take the first WCS Circuit event of the year at DreamHack Open: Leipzig, earning $16,000 and 1,000 WCS Circuit points. At Tours we can expect to see rivals Lilbow, Dayshi, MarineLorD, and Firecake all looking to oust him from his position atop the WCS point rankings. Two players will come from a dedicated hosting nation French qualifier; the full breakdown can be seen below.
Slot distribution
Regional challenge
Two for Europe, Africa, and the Middle East
Two for North America (USA and Canada)
One for Latin America
One for China
One for Oceania, Southeast Asia, and Japan
One for Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau
Server qualifiers
Eight for European Server Qualifiers
Six for North American Server Qualifiers
Host national qualifier
Two for French Qualifier
WCS standings
Eight players from the WCS Circuit Standings as of April 11th
In order to compete in the WCS Circuit Championship, players must be citizens or residents of one of the eligible regions listed above. Details for Regional Challengers and all additional qualifiers will be released soon.
Rest of the statement: http://open.dreamhack.se/news/344-wcs-spring-championship-to-take-place-at-tours.html
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Katowice25012 Posts
damn you so fast
Should be fun!
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Holy shit, this and DH Austin sees some serious money sliding into foreigner pockets soon!
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France1887 Posts
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Wow, really cool to see, but also crazy fast timing since DH Austin is the weekend before. Can't wait!
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The best part about Dreamhack is all the dubstep during the inevitable hours of downtime causing people in LR threads to go mad. So I'm all for it.
Also not really surprising.
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Gonna be a cool tournament, but I am once again disappointed tbh. I really hoped the WCS Champsionships would be standalone events :/.
Well I guess no standalone events this year. ESL really doesn't want to produce any more sc2 events that are not IEM it seems.
I'll just have to accept it.
Edit: I also have to wonder why there is nothing in april and suddenly we get two sc2 DHs in two weeks.
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Where are the korean qualifiers?
oh right! i forgot the racist rule.
Gonna be watching real pros playing GSL and PL, have fun with your tournament guys!
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Lol, in Tours?
Ain't nobody wanna see Tours!
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So theres no Open bracket 
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On March 15 2016 01:36 Lillekanin wrote:So theres no Open bracket
Exact same thing as kato so no.
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I'm pretty stoked to see the qualifiers. Do we know if Polt will get a seed in any way, or if it'll be open quals?
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On March 15 2016 01:47 IntoTheheart wrote:
I'm pretty stoked to see the qualifiers. Do we know if Polt will get a seed in any way, or if it'll be open quals?
Top 8 WCS points should get an invite
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On March 15 2016 01:47 IntoTheheart wrote:
I'm pretty stoked to see the qualifiers. Do we know if Polt will get a seed in any way, or if it'll be open quals?
I think he'll get a seed based on WCS points, I don't think he can get overtaken by enough players not to. Don't think he gets one based on being the current WCS champ though.
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And force them to advance at least one round before getting them more points?
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On March 15 2016 01:51 IntoTheheart wrote:
And force them to advance at least one round before getting them more points?
I think you don't get anything from the prize pool (incl. WCS points) unless you make Ro16 anyway. That's how it was in Katowice.
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Looking forward to this xD
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I wonder if the last WCS Championship will be in America then.
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32 of the Circuit’s best StarCraft II players
Heh, I like how they became more precise with their statements ^.^
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On March 15 2016 01:12 Musicus wrote:
Gonna be a cool tournament, but I am once again disappointed tbh. I really hoped the WCS Champsionships would be standalone events :/.
Well I guess no standalone events this year. ESL really doesn't want to produce any more sc2 events that are not IEM it seems.
I'll just have to accept it.
Edit: I also have to wonder why there is nothing in april and suddenly we get two sc2 DHs in two weeks.
Basically said everything I wanted to (Well everything I could without getting warned/temp banned again. But people know my thoughts by now). I have to wonder if Kim Phan was lying to us in an attempt to placate the scene when she said a WCS Global Event was being planned.
Oh well. Another event I won't watch outside of Has's matches if he qualifies
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Damn, the weekend immediately after DreamHack Austin? That's crazy wtf lol
Wait...that might mean Polt won't go to Dreamhack Austin....why did I buy tickets for that again?
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On March 15 2016 03:00 Die4Ever wrote:
Damn, the weekend immediately after DreamHack Austin? That's crazy wtf lol
An elaborate ploy to help whoever writes the TL power rank for the event.
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Well that's good news. I'm confused though, isn't DreamHack Austin like a week before that?
Edit: Guess I shoulda checked out page two before posting. Sorry Die4Ever.
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Is DreamHack confirmed as a WCS Circuit Tournament?
Somehow the schedule seems odd, if both tournaments are region locked, imo.
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k. That's weird.
DH Austin will probably have a quite poor lineup now.
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So are the regional challengers gonna be before the server qualifiers this time?
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inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something
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Sweet! I loved the Winter Championship so I'm really looking forward to this! Excited in general for all of the upcoming tournaments!
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Polt must be happy, another easy money ...
Koreigner hype!
I hope, there will be again all the 2nd tier players from around the world, who will get a paid vacation trip all inclusive to France.
Anyway, I just hope, Has, HuK and PiG qualify again!
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Cool! Not going to watch though, foreigners dont pull me to a stream. Good luck to the attendees.
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I'd have love to attend my very first live event, but then again, no Korea.
So like hell would I actually go watch that, lol
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I don't need to watch any tournament because it is obvious that Lilbow is gonna win them, he was training hard for LotV and will be next bonjwa!
Ok, jokes aside, I hope this time Koreigners get 2nd place and some Foreigner get the 1st (except few I don't like >_>)
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Very excited for this! Hopefully Scarlett qualifies!
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Seems strange that Austin has an open bracket and Tours doesn't. Surely would be more effective and higher standard of play for both tournaments if it was the other way around.
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Great! Amazing year for Starcraft
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On March 15 2016 06:46 Ve5pa wrote:
Seems strange that Austin has an open bracket and Tours doesn't. Surely would be more effective and higher standard of play for both tournaments if it was the other way around.
...On the one hand, outch man. Them some harsh words.
But, on the other hand, you're probably correct.
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On March 15 2016 06:46 Ve5pa wrote:
Seems strange that Austin has an open bracket and Tours doesn't. Surely would be more effective and higher standard of play for both tournaments if it was the other way around.
But Tours basically is a WCS Premier now. Those didn't have open brackets to begin with.
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On March 15 2016 06:46 Ve5pa wrote:
Seems strange that Austin has an open bracket and Tours doesn't. Surely would be more effective and higher standard of play for both tournaments if it was the other way around.
How does an open bracket raise the standard of play? Some players won't travel unless they know they will be in the Ro32. I think having open qualifiers is a better way. Open qualifiers are essentially an open bracket that everyone can play in rather than only those who can afford to travel.
Open brackets are kinda just favors to lower skilled players who are either local or richer and can thus afford to travel with less promise of reward.
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On March 15 2016 08:59 NonY wrote:
WCS Circuit brackets are kinda just favors to lower skilled players who are local
FTFY
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On March 15 2016 04:24 OtherWorld wrote:
inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something
People are too busy to focus fire on WCS itself.
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On March 15 2016 06:01 boxerfred wrote:
Cool! Not going to watch though, foreigners dont pull me to a stream. Good luck to the attendees.
Out of curiosity, at what level of Koreans would you watch? Would you watch if Polt and Hydra were playing? (Of ir they're too low level, would you watch if Rogue and Reality were playing a Proleague match?
I'm just wondering, because Mana just beat Reality in the Ting Open, Snute beat Ryung in that same tournament, and a couple weeks before, Nerchio went 2-3 to sOs and Bly beat an (out of form) Rogue 3-1.
If the argument is that Foreigners operate at a lower level than Koreans (and thus are less interesting to watch), then my question is at what level of Koreans does one draw the line, because it seems to me that many in the European scene, and a few from the NA scene are able to go almost evenly versus Korean b-teamers and, on occasion, some of the higher ranked players.
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I dunno if i like the top 8 WCS points getting invites to every WCS event. More of the 'rich get richer' type of thing. I guess they do have to advance one round to get anything, but i'm still not a fan.
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On March 15 2016 17:11 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 06:01 boxerfred wrote:
Cool! Not going to watch though, foreigners dont pull me to a stream. Good luck to the attendees. Out of curiosity, at what level of Koreans would you watch? Would you watch if Polt and Hydra were playing? (Of ir they're too low level, would you watch if Rogue and Reality were playing a Proleague match? I'm just wondering, because Mana just beat Reality in the Ting Open, Snute beat Ryung in that same tournament, and a couple weeks before, Nerchio went 2-3 to sOs and Bly beat an (out of form) Rogue 3-1. If the argument is that Foreigners operate at a lower level than Koreans (and thus are less interesting to watch), then my question is at what level of Koreans does one draw the line, because it seems to me that many in the European scene, and a few from the NA scene are able to go almost evenly versus Korean b-teamers and, on occasion, some of the higher ranked players.
That's the irony, right now have foreigners the biggest chance of beating Korean top players(maybe not the top of the top, but...  ). But they are artificially separated. Once the skill gap will get bigger and bigger because the meta have settled, it won't be interesting that much.
Though the skill gap is there and can be seen if you want to.
Also the not that much fun part - I was watching only games of Polt from ro16 I think. The commentary bias was pathetic. Whoever was against Polt was praised to be a god and then they said "but Polt is good too". C'mon, do they have to do this? That's why I am tending to skip the next tournaments. I don't want to hear any idiotic praise of welfare players.
(and yes, they are good, but not THAT good)
Edit> Damn it, forget that I posted previously >< Sorry for double post.
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On March 15 2016 18:37 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 17:11 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 15 2016 06:01 boxerfred wrote:
Cool! Not going to watch though, foreigners dont pull me to a stream. Good luck to the attendees. Out of curiosity, at what level of Koreans would you watch? Would you watch if Polt and Hydra were playing? (Of ir they're too low level, would you watch if Rogue and Reality were playing a Proleague match? I'm just wondering, because Mana just beat Reality in the Ting Open, Snute beat Ryung in that same tournament, and a couple weeks before, Nerchio went 2-3 to sOs and Bly beat an (out of form) Rogue 3-1. If the argument is that Foreigners operate at a lower level than Koreans (and thus are less interesting to watch), then my question is at what level of Koreans does one draw the line, because it seems to me that many in the European scene, and a few from the NA scene are able to go almost evenly versus Korean b-teamers and, on occasion, some of the higher ranked players. That's the irony, right now have foreigners the biggest chance of beating Korean top players(maybe not the top of the top, but... ). But they are artificially separated. Once the skill gap will get bigger and bigger because the meta have settled, it won't be interesting that much. Though the skill gap is there and can be seen if you want to. Also the not that much fun part - I was watching only games of Polt from ro16 I think. The commentary bias was pathetic. Whoever was against Polt was praised to be a god and then they said "but Polt is good too". C'mon, do they have to do this? That's why I am tending to skip the next tournaments. I don't want to hear any idiotic praise of welfare players. (and yes, they are good, but not THAT good) Edit> Damn it, forget that I posted previously >< Sorry for double post.
Fair point, the meta is rather unstable right now, and that instability can give an advantage to foreigners, but will the settling of the meta create a skill gap wider than the current one? Look at HotS, the foreigners did well and then terrible for two years and then in 2015, foreigners did much, much better. In IEM Shenzhen, Snute took out Rain and Classic, who were both very high level players.
As for caster bias, I mean, you're going to find that wherever you watch Starcraft. Even in high level Korean play, someone will say that this person is good and then Zest will beat Maru 3-0. And then lose to TangTang.
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On March 15 2016 04:24 OtherWorld wrote:
inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something
You asked for it...
I'm still disappointed its in Tours, that still doesn't make any sense.
First of all its bad for the audience, going to tour means Taking TGV or renting a car in paris ( assuming european/americans/asians will arrive in france in the national airport ) and whereas a plane ticket to paris is really cheap ( around 20 euros for any european ), renting a car or taking the TGV is not ( its 70 euros minimum ) + Taxi fare once you are arrived.
This is a good way to repulse anyone that isn't french to go GG.
Secondly Tour has nothing that is esport related, Paris has Millenium,aAa,NuitBlanche,The meltdown,Ogaming, multiple well known LAN rooms,Webedia ect ect...
Now i know that Dreamhack probably doesn't give a fuck but this would actually mean a lot to people coming from all across the world.
Then you have the city itself : Paris doesn't need an introduction , its gorgeous. Tours is actually a shithole the only thing cool about Tours is that when you pass it with you car the highway gives you a nice view on the water tower where its written "saint pierre des corps" on it ( french people Know what i'm talking about ). Other than that Tour is one of the most boring city of all time, its grey, it has nothing worth visiting, the people don't have a unique culture, there's no good food, there's no exceptional nature...This is literally the most bland city of all france.
When it comes to the technical stuff cities like Paris have 1 GB / s optical fiber when tour is probably struggling with some shitty 100 meg fiber. Paris also has a huge transportation network allowing people to move around whereas tour has really crappy buses.
Annnd finally to clarify when i say "Paris" its Paris and its surroundings but that doesn't matter since you can get pretty much anywhere with the transportation ( ask aeromi he's an "expert" on suburbs parisian trains x) ).
As for the actual cost i'm sure that there's plenty of rooms in paris that were just as expensive at this thing in tours ( that nobody has ever heard of tbh ), you don't have to do ala Ogaming in a prestigious venue but the suburbs offer some pretty good alternatives ( that goes for the hosting too, a lot of suburbs offer cheap hotels ( as cheap as tours at least ) )
PS : I'm sorry if you live in tours, i promise that i'll try to send you anti-depressants and weed if you leave me your address.
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On March 15 2016 17:11 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 06:01 boxerfred wrote:
Cool! Not going to watch though, foreigners dont pull me to a stream. Good luck to the attendees. Out of curiosity, at what level of Koreans would you watch? Would you watch if Polt and Hydra were playing? (Of ir they're too low level, would you watch if Rogue and Reality were playing a Proleague match? I'm just wondering, because Mana just beat Reality in the Ting Open, Snute beat Ryung in that same tournament, and a couple weeks before, Nerchio went 2-3 to sOs and Bly beat an (out of form) Rogue 3-1. If the argument is that Foreigners operate at a lower level than Koreans (and thus are less interesting to watch), then my question is at what level of Koreans does one draw the line, because it seems to me that many in the European scene, and a few from the NA scene are able to go almost evenly versus Korean b-teamers and, on occasion, some of the higher ranked players.
I don't care for foreigners and not too much for koreigners. What you describe are games that I'd watch (and have watched) since I really enjoy the foreigner vs. korean story lines. I feel like Blizzard treats the Koreans absolutely unfair and I will not support anything that is WCS Circuit related by tuning in, buying a sponsor's products, or anything at all.
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On March 15 2016 15:09 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 08:59 NonY wrote:
WCS Circuit brackets are kinda just favors to lower skilled players who are local FTFY
WCS Circuit event qualifiers don't favor local players at all except for the Championship where the host country gets 2 extra players.
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On March 15 2016 20:29 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 04:24 OtherWorld wrote:
inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something First of all its bad for the audience, going to tour means Taking TGV or renting a car in paris ( assuming european/americans/asians will arrive in france in the national airport ) and whereas a plane ticket to paris is really cheap ( around 20 euros for any european ), renting a car or taking the TGV is not ( its 70 euros minimum ) + Taxi fare once you are arrived. This is a good way to repulse anyone that isn't french to go GG.
Because there are absolutely no other trains then TGV in France and the only way to get around a city is by taxi, right?
Also the idea that a European can get a plane ticket to France for 20E is really funny. Maybe once in while, if you happen to live in the right place and very unlikely to get it timed right for the DH. Otherwise, 20E doesn't even cover the airport tax ... The typical "good" price from Prague to Paris is about 100-150 E return.
Sorry, but you are just making stuff up to support your argument.
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On March 15 2016 21:09 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 17:11 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 15 2016 06:01 boxerfred wrote:
Cool! Not going to watch though, foreigners dont pull me to a stream. Good luck to the attendees. Out of curiosity, at what level of Koreans would you watch? Would you watch if Polt and Hydra were playing? (Of ir they're too low level, would you watch if Rogue and Reality were playing a Proleague match? I'm just wondering, because Mana just beat Reality in the Ting Open, Snute beat Ryung in that same tournament, and a couple weeks before, Nerchio went 2-3 to sOs and Bly beat an (out of form) Rogue 3-1. If the argument is that Foreigners operate at a lower level than Koreans (and thus are less interesting to watch), then my question is at what level of Koreans does one draw the line, because it seems to me that many in the European scene, and a few from the NA scene are able to go almost evenly versus Korean b-teamers and, on occasion, some of the higher ranked players. I don't care for foreigners and not too much for koreigners. What you describe are games that I'd watch (and have watched) since I really enjoy the foreigner vs. korean story lines. I feel like Blizzard treats the Koreans absolutely unfair and I will not support anything that is WCS Circuit related by tuning in, buying a sponsor's products, or anything at all.
Ah, ok that makes sense. I mean, Blizzard didn't take away GSL or the SSL, so it's not like they're completely discriminating against the Koreans.
I guess we'll have to see whether the overall scene suffers or grows by having the separation.
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On March 15 2016 23:24 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 20:29 shid0x wrote:On March 15 2016 04:24 OtherWorld wrote:
inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something First of all its bad for the audience, going to tour means Taking TGV or renting a car in paris ( assuming european/americans/asians will arrive in france in the national airport ) and whereas a plane ticket to paris is really cheap ( around 20 euros for any european ), renting a car or taking the TGV is not ( its 70 euros minimum ) + Taxi fare once you are arrived. This is a good way to repulse anyone that isn't french to go GG. Because there are absolutely no other trains then TGV in France and the only way to get around a city is by taxi, right? Also the idea that a European can get a plane ticket to France for 20E is really funny. Maybe once in while, if you happen to live in the right place and very unlikely to get it timed right for the DH. Otherwise, 20E doesn't even cover the airport tax ... The typical "good" price from Prague to Paris is about 100-150 E return. Sorry, but you are just making stuff up to support your argument.
Yeah there's no other train that goes from Paris to Tours man, except maybe the Intercité which is also expensive.
Ohhh and you want to get around a city in France with you luggage, be my guess ! I'd love to see you get in our buses kek.
The fact is unless you want you life to be a Pain you will have to taxi from the train station to your hotel.
I'll admit that i hyperboled the 20 euros flight but 100 euros trip is more fair ( and its STILL CHEAP , that's like 50 euros per trip )
Btw i just ran a small simulation, the fees for spannish man would be 100 euros plane from madrid + 97 euros for the train to tours + around lets say 10-20 euros of taxis / Uber.
That's 117 euros this guy is spend just for going to tours ( LOL ).
YOU COULD take blablacar from paris to tours (that is cheap) but for anyone that doesn't speak french its gonna be complicated.
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On March 16 2016 00:56 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 23:24 opisska wrote:On March 15 2016 20:29 shid0x wrote:On March 15 2016 04:24 OtherWorld wrote:
inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something First of all its bad for the audience, going to tour means Taking TGV or renting a car in paris ( assuming european/americans/asians will arrive in france in the national airport ) and whereas a plane ticket to paris is really cheap ( around 20 euros for any european ), renting a car or taking the TGV is not ( its 70 euros minimum ) + Taxi fare once you are arrived. This is a good way to repulse anyone that isn't french to go GG. Because there are absolutely no other trains then TGV in France and the only way to get around a city is by taxi, right? Also the idea that a European can get a plane ticket to France for 20E is really funny. Maybe once in while, if you happen to live in the right place and very unlikely to get it timed right for the DH. Otherwise, 20E doesn't even cover the airport tax ... The typical "good" price from Prague to Paris is about 100-150 E return. Sorry, but you are just making stuff up to support your argument. Yeah there's no other train that goes from Paris to Tours man, except maybe the Intercité which is also expensive. Ohhh and you want to get around a city in France with you luggage, be my guess ! I'd love to see you get in our buses kek. The fact is unless you want you life to be a Pain you will have to taxi from the train station to your hotel. I'll admit that i hyperboled the 20 euros flight but 100 euros trip is more fair ( and its STILL CHEAP , that's like 50 euros per trip ) Btw i just ran a small simulation, the fees for spannish man would be 100 euros plane from madrid + 97 euros for the train to tours + around lets say 10-20 euros of taxis / Uber. That's 117 euros this guy is spend just for going to tours ( LOL ). YOU COULD take blablacar from paris to tours (that is cheap) but for anyone that doesn't speak french its gonna be complicated.
You can get IC tickets to Tours for 15E one way - the seats are limited, but there are even some free for tomorrow on the SNCF website, purchasable in English. Or these is a bus for the same price, also sold by SNCF, is you want the convenience of planning on one website.
I don't speak a word in French, yet I have never had any issue travelling in France - or any European country for that matter. I have also taken a 70L backpack on a public bus in several French cities without any issues and that's like 4 times larger than you would ever need for a couple of days in a city. Again, you are just making problems for the sake of problems. Or you are really spoiled - which is your problem, but stop making that a standard.
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Without koreans DH isnt just appealing to me anymore
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On March 16 2016 01:16 Celepharn wrote:Without koreans DH isnt just appealing to me anymore
You know, I would have said that a month ago. But I have unexpectedly and unexcuseably enjoyed the WCS winter championship. Yeah, I like Korean SC2. But I realised that I get enough of it these days and this, while quite different, is also fun.
Sadly, I am gonna miss it because I will be travelling to Japan that weekend.
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On March 15 2016 20:29 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 04:24 OtherWorld wrote:
inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something + Show Spoiler +You asked for it...
I'm still disappointed its in Tours, that still doesn't make any sense.
First of all its bad for the audience, going to tour means Taking TGV or renting a car in paris ( assuming european/americans/asians will arrive in france in the national airport ) and whereas a plane ticket to paris is really cheap ( around 20 euros for any european ), renting a car or taking the TGV is not ( its 70 euros minimum ) + Taxi fare once you are arrived.
This is a good way to repulse anyone that isn't french to go GG.
Secondly Tour has nothing that is esport related, Paris has Millenium,aAa,NuitBlanche,The meltdown,Ogaming, multiple well known LAN rooms,Webedia ect ect...
Now i know that Dreamhack probably doesn't give a fuck but this would actually mean a lot to people coming from all across the world.
Then you have the city itself : Paris doesn't need an introduction , its gorgeous. Tours is actually a shithole the only thing cool about Tours is that when you pass it with you car the highway gives you a nice view on the water tower where its written "saint pierre des corps" on it ( french people Know what i'm talking about ). Other than that Tour is one of the most boring city of all time, its grey, it has nothing worth visiting, the people don't have a unique culture, there's no good food, there's no exceptional nature...This is literally the most bland city of all france.
When it comes to the technical stuff cities like Paris have 1 GB / s optical fiber when tour is probably struggling with some shitty 100 meg fiber. Paris also has a huge transportation network allowing people to move around whereas tour has really crappy buses.
Annnd finally to clarify when i say "Paris" its Paris and its surroundings but that doesn't matter since you can get pretty much anywhere with the transportation ( ask aeromi he's an "expert" on suburbs parisian trains x) ).
As for the actual cost i'm sure that there's plenty of rooms in paris that were just as expensive at this thing in tours ( that nobody has ever heard of tbh ), you don't have to do ala Ogaming in a prestigious venue but the suburbs offer some pretty good alternatives ( that goes for the hosting too, a lot of suburbs offer cheap hotels ( as cheap as tours at least ) )
PS : I'm sorry if you live in tours, i promise that i'll try to send you anti-depressants and weed if you leave me your address.
that has to be one of the most biased view i have ever witnessed hahahaha i had a great time
but there is also a bit of truth there, but keep in mind that you're comparing tours with paris, it's like comparing a bike with a bugatti
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On March 16 2016 00:56 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 23:24 opisska wrote:On March 15 2016 20:29 shid0x wrote:On March 15 2016 04:24 OtherWorld wrote:
inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something First of all its bad for the audience, going to tour means Taking TGV or renting a car in paris ( assuming european/americans/asians will arrive in france in the national airport ) and whereas a plane ticket to paris is really cheap ( around 20 euros for any european ), renting a car or taking the TGV is not ( its 70 euros minimum ) + Taxi fare once you are arrived. This is a good way to repulse anyone that isn't french to go GG. Because there are absolutely no other trains then TGV in France and the only way to get around a city is by taxi, right? Also the idea that a European can get a plane ticket to France for 20E is really funny. Maybe once in while, if you happen to live in the right place and very unlikely to get it timed right for the DH. Otherwise, 20E doesn't even cover the airport tax ... The typical "good" price from Prague to Paris is about 100-150 E return. Sorry, but you are just making stuff up to support your argument. Yeah there's no other train that goes from Paris to Tours man, except maybe the Intercité which is also expensive. Ohhh and you want to get around a city in France with you luggage, be my guess ! I'd love to see you get in our buses kek. The fact is unless you want you life to be a Pain you will have to taxi from the train station to your hotel. I'll admit that i hyperboled the 20 euros flight but 100 euros trip is more fair ( and its STILL CHEAP , that's like 50 euros per trip ) Btw i just ran a small simulation, the fees for spannish man would be 100 euros plane from madrid + 97 euros for the train to tours + around lets say 10-20 euros of taxis / Uber. That's 117 euros this guy is spend just for going to tours ( LOL ). YOU COULD take blablacar from paris to tours (that is cheap) but for anyone that doesn't speak french its gonna be complicated.
You also forget that you can take the bus now (thanks the governement which opened this market) for less than 10€, maybe even 3€
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On March 16 2016 01:56 yolteotl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 00:56 shid0x wrote:On March 15 2016 23:24 opisska wrote:On March 15 2016 20:29 shid0x wrote:On March 15 2016 04:24 OtherWorld wrote:
inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something First of all its bad for the audience, going to tour means Taking TGV or renting a car in paris ( assuming european/americans/asians will arrive in france in the national airport ) and whereas a plane ticket to paris is really cheap ( around 20 euros for any european ), renting a car or taking the TGV is not ( its 70 euros minimum ) + Taxi fare once you are arrived. This is a good way to repulse anyone that isn't french to go GG. Because there are absolutely no other trains then TGV in France and the only way to get around a city is by taxi, right? Also the idea that a European can get a plane ticket to France for 20E is really funny. Maybe once in while, if you happen to live in the right place and very unlikely to get it timed right for the DH. Otherwise, 20E doesn't even cover the airport tax ... The typical "good" price from Prague to Paris is about 100-150 E return. Sorry, but you are just making stuff up to support your argument. Yeah there's no other train that goes from Paris to Tours man, except maybe the Intercité which is also expensive. Ohhh and you want to get around a city in France with you luggage, be my guess ! I'd love to see you get in our buses kek. The fact is unless you want you life to be a Pain you will have to taxi from the train station to your hotel. I'll admit that i hyperboled the 20 euros flight but 100 euros trip is more fair ( and its STILL CHEAP , that's like 50 euros per trip ) Btw i just ran a small simulation, the fees for spannish man would be 100 euros plane from madrid + 97 euros for the train to tours + around lets say 10-20 euros of taxis / Uber. That's 117 euros this guy is spend just for going to tours ( LOL ). YOU COULD take blablacar from paris to tours (that is cheap) but for anyone that doesn't speak french its gonna be complicated. You also forget that you can take the bus now (thanks the governement which opened this market) for less than 10€, maybe even 3€
You forgot to mention that you will have to share the bus with a bunch of loud Portuguese.
I mean that's Guantanamo level of torture, and you will pay for it ?
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Edit : Thanks for the moderator showing that he is an american without any understanding of the european culture.
This is a running joke that is used pretty much in every country and its in no way offensive.
We are still able to make country-jokes without becoming mad but apparently that's something you can't understand.
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Awesome. I was considering going, but I didn't find information anywhere about the language of the cast there. Since it would be my first sc2 tournament, I don't really know what to expect. Can anyone help me?
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On March 16 2016 05:31 genghiswolve wrote:
Awesome. I was considering going, but I didn't find information anywhere about the language of the cast there. Since it would be my first sc2 tournament, I don't really know what to expect. Can anyone help me?
It will be casted in english by the usual staff.
Since its france you can probably expect some cameo by Ogaming or maybe stephano but don't worry the tournament is gonna be fully english.
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On March 15 2016 08:59 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 06:46 Ve5pa wrote:
Seems strange that Austin has an open bracket and Tours doesn't. Surely would be more effective and higher standard of play for both tournaments if it was the other way around. How does an open bracket raise the standard of play? Some players won't travel unless they know they will be in the Ro32. I think having open qualifiers is a better way. Open qualifiers are essentially an open bracket that everyone can play in rather than only those who can afford to travel. Open brackets are kinda just favors to lower skilled players who are either local or richer and can thus afford to travel with less promise of reward.
My only reason for making these comments are because I could name 64 decent EU players but could not name 64 decent NA players. I think their would be enough decent players in NA to fill a field of 32 however.
Edit. Obviously very subjective and I do watch a lot more EU players etc, but even in online stuff that is friendly to NA players you generally only see a few names coming up again and again, and the amount of names is closer to 32 than 64, for me.
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On March 16 2016 06:14 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 05:31 genghiswolve wrote:
Awesome. I was considering going, but I didn't find information anywhere about the language of the cast there. Since it would be my first sc2 tournament, I don't really know what to expect. Can anyone help me? It will be casted in english by the usual staff. Since its france you can probably expect some cameo by Ogaming or maybe stephano but don't worry the tournament is gonna be fully english.
Thanks for the answer mate :D
It's what I thought, but when I emailed DH they told me they don't yet and I was like wtf, does whoever answer me have no clue or could it be an issue :D
I speak french myself but my buddies don't so yeah...
Gonna be an awesome tournamement, sad on one hand it isn't stand alone (less games for us to watch), but the prize pool always ads some tension, and so does the blizzcon spot. And if a frenchie get's close to getting the blizzcon spot, the crowd will be amazing.
Maybe Lilbow, heard he has been training for a while (sorry couldn't restrain myself  )
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On March 16 2016 10:17 genghiswolve wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 06:14 shid0x wrote:On March 16 2016 05:31 genghiswolve wrote:
Awesome. I was considering going, but I didn't find information anywhere about the language of the cast there. Since it would be my first sc2 tournament, I don't really know what to expect. Can anyone help me? It will be casted in english by the usual staff. Since its france you can probably expect some cameo by Ogaming or maybe stephano but don't worry the tournament is gonna be fully english. Thanks for the answer mate :D It's what I thought, but when I emailed DH they told me they don't yet and I was like wtf, does whoever answer me have no clue or could it be an issue :D I speak french myself but my buddies don't so yeah... Gonna be an awesome tournamement, sad on one hand it isn't stand alone (less games for us to watch), but the prize pool always ads some tension, and so does the blizzcon spot. And if a frenchie get's close to getting the blizzcon spot, the crowd will be amazing. Maybe Lilbow, heard he has been training for a while (sorry couldn't restrain myself )
We're still finalizing, not sure whoyou emailed but most likely the commentary in the venue will be in French, and the stage show will be in English w/ interviews and those segments.
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Wow...only 2 months after Winter Championship.
This means we have from May until November for only the Summer Championship? (not counting the smaller tournaments)
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On March 15 2016 20:29 shid0x wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2016 04:24 OtherWorld wrote:
inb4 people complaining about the fact that it's in Tours and not Paris/Marseille/Lyon/something You asked for it... I'm still disappointed its in Tours, that still doesn't make any sense. First of all its bad for the audience, going to tour means Taking TGV or renting a car in paris ( assuming european/americans/asians will arrive in france in the national airport ) and whereas a plane ticket to paris is really cheap ( around 20 euros for any european ), renting a car or taking the TGV is not ( its 70 euros minimum ) + Taxi fare once you are arrived. This is a good way to repulse anyone that isn't french to go GG. Secondly Tour has nothing that is esport related, Paris has Millenium,aAa,NuitBlanche,The meltdown,Ogaming, multiple well known LAN rooms,Webedia ect ect... Now i know that Dreamhack probably doesn't give a fuck but this would actually mean a lot to people coming from all across the world. Then you have the city itself : Paris doesn't need an introduction , its gorgeous. Tours is actually a shithole the only thing cool about Tours is that when you pass it with you car the highway gives you a nice view on the water tower where its written "saint pierre des corps" on it ( french people Know what i'm talking about ). Other than that Tour is one of the most boring city of all time, its grey, it has nothing worth visiting, the people don't have a unique culture, there's no good food, there's no exceptional nature...This is literally the most bland city of all france. When it comes to the technical stuff cities like Paris have 1 GB / s optical fiber when tour is probably struggling with some shitty 100 meg fiber. Paris also has a huge transportation network allowing people to move around whereas tour has really crappy buses. Annnd finally to clarify when i say "Paris" its Paris and its surroundings but that doesn't matter since you can get pretty much anywhere with the transportation ( ask aeromi he's an "expert" on suburbs parisian trains x) ). As for the actual cost i'm sure that there's plenty of rooms in paris that were just as expensive at this thing in tours ( that nobody has ever heard of tbh ), you don't have to do ala Ogaming in a prestigious venue but the suburbs offer some pretty good alternatives ( that goes for the hosting too, a lot of suburbs offer cheap hotels ( as cheap as tours at least ) ) PS : I'm sorry if you live in tours, i promise that i'll try to send you anti-depressants and weed if you leave me your address.
I used to live in (and love ) Paris, but think rationally - for all those exact reasons, the cost of hosting the tournament in Tours is likely to be 2x or 3x cheaper than in Paris. That saved money a. ensures we have a tournament in the first place, and b. will to some extent be redistributed to players via prize. Also why we get Katowice and Austin rather than Warsaw and L.A.
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