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On March 08 2016 22:07 Incognoto wrote:Yeah this topic was just PR from blizzard, nothing of substance. ): This is off topic: + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2016 09:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:00 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 06:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 05:53 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 05:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 03:43 Tyrhanius wrote:
I've learned a new english word to describe this speech : double talk.
Come on she doesn't really answer to any questions...
How can we trust Blizzard, if they all speak like politicians ? relative to other large developers Blizzard is not only more honest than all of their competition i would argue they are too honest... and they get crucified by haters for it. overall Blizzard is an honest company. and that means you will sometimes hear things you don't want to hear. On March 08 2016 04:58 swissman777 wrote:
Meanwhile, koreans hate blizzard for feeling so left out and rightfully so considering the incident with blizzard employee telling people to play other games than sc.
i agree with the sentiment. just try other RTS games and you will see they do not bring even 1/10th to the table what WC2, SC1, WC3 and SC2 offer. Starcraft1 and 2 and CoH2 is all that is left. that's your own opinion, lol at this point how many RTS studios even exist. it doesn't matter how great your game is.. if it does not make money and you can't support it... i guess you enjoy that epic GR.Org post sales support for C&C... GameRanger >BNet2 eh? LOLOL  its hilarious seeing "RTS fans" rip Blizz to shreds as RTS studio after studio packs it in. lots of yap and no cash. i enjoy age of empires and it's given me a fuck ton of memories, as much as starcaft has. both aoe2 and aoe3 are active too. :/ the server support between AoE and SC2 is not comparable. its just not. and Ensemble no longer exists. and their big pie in the sky plans to have the ex-employees perform server support on the side was just talk. That's just outright false though. Both games are still being actively supported. AoE2HD has its steam servers and AoC is played on voobly either way. AoE3 still has its ESO service up and they're actually renewing the hardware for those servers. There's no active balance support and community support from official devs, however they're maintaining the servers in perfect working order. Either way, I don't even see your point. What are we even arguing about? I just wanted to say that the age of empires RTS series is still active today, with a community behind it. :/ I'll also rip on blizzard for making dumb business decisions with their RTS. e.g. fucking over Korea for no reason.
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you can't understand a money argument and then whine about "business decisions" LOL
don't worry man.. you'll get your wish soon... ATVI is pulling the plug on their contribution to the RTS genre in 2 years or less.
you sound like my NHL '94 buddies who think EA should sink money into the NHL black hole.
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On March 08 2016 19:26 iloveav wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 04:14 nurle wrote:
Kim Phan: "We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for StarCraft."
Sadly you have not done this once since the beta came out! So either thats not what they are trying to do or they are incompetent at it. If Blizzard was an Employee, it would get fired. *That being said, every game will lose popularity after the initial few years (2 normally for a multiplayer game), and it is still more active than ghost towns like Crysis 2 multiplayer, etc.* The only problem is that Blizzard does NOT have perfect information about the landscape of SC2 E-Sports, therefore is making decisions based on incomplete information. Its as safe as making decisions on a con-flip basis.
This is completely BS.
our whole society and economy operates based on incomplete and imperfect knowledge.
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On March 08 2016 22:07 Incognoto wrote:Yeah this topic was just PR from blizzard, nothing of substance. ): + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2016 09:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:00 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 06:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 05:53 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 05:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 03:43 Tyrhanius wrote:
I've learned a new english word to describe this speech : double talk.
Come on she doesn't really answer to any questions...
How can we trust Blizzard, if they all speak like politicians ? relative to other large developers Blizzard is not only more honest than all of their competition i would argue they are too honest... and they get crucified by haters for it. overall Blizzard is an honest company. and that means you will sometimes hear things you don't want to hear. On March 08 2016 04:58 swissman777 wrote:
Meanwhile, koreans hate blizzard for feeling so left out and rightfully so considering the incident with blizzard employee telling people to play other games than sc.
i agree with the sentiment. just try other RTS games and you will see they do not bring even 1/10th to the table what WC2, SC1, WC3 and SC2 offer. Starcraft1 and 2 and CoH2 is all that is left. that's your own opinion, lol at this point how many RTS studios even exist. it doesn't matter how great your game is.. if it does not make money and you can't support it... i guess you enjoy that epic GR.Org post sales support for C&C... GameRanger >BNet2 eh? LOLOL its hilarious seeing "RTS fans" rip Blizz to shreds as RTS studio after studio packs it in. lots of yap and no cash. i enjoy age of empires and it's given me a fuck ton of memories, as much as starcaft has. both aoe2 and aoe3 are active too. :/ the server support between AoE and SC2 is not comparable. its just not. and Ensemble no longer exists. and their big pie in the sky plans to have the ex-employees perform server support on the side was just talk. That's just outright false though. Both games are still being actively supported. AoE2HD has its steam servers and AoC is played on voobly either way. AoE3 still has its ESO service up and they're actually renewing the hardware for those servers. There's no active balance support and community support from official devs, however they're maintaining the servers in perfect working order. Either way, I don't even see your point. What are we even arguing about? I just wanted to say that the age of empires RTS series is still active today, with a community behind it. :/ I'll also rip on blizzard for making dumb business decisions with their RTS. e.g. fucking over Korea for no reason.
That should've been obvious from the title of the thread... It's such a hilarious title it seems like a parody.
CNN breaking news:
Boeing announces that they design planes so they don't crash.
Intel designs CPUs which preferably don't catch on fire, at least they do their best.
FIFA announces that soccer should be fun to watch maybe.
Arby's food probably won't make you horribly sick, at least not by design.
Ok
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On March 08 2016 23:47 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 22:07 Incognoto wrote:Yeah this topic was just PR from blizzard, nothing of substance. ): + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2016 09:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:00 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 06:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 05:53 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 05:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 03:43 Tyrhanius wrote:
I've learned a new english word to describe this speech : double talk.
Come on she doesn't really answer to any questions...
How can we trust Blizzard, if they all speak like politicians ? relative to other large developers Blizzard is not only more honest than all of their competition i would argue they are too honest... and they get crucified by haters for it. overall Blizzard is an honest company. and that means you will sometimes hear things you don't want to hear. On March 08 2016 04:58 swissman777 wrote:
Meanwhile, koreans hate blizzard for feeling so left out and rightfully so considering the incident with blizzard employee telling people to play other games than sc.
i agree with the sentiment. just try other RTS games and you will see they do not bring even 1/10th to the table what WC2, SC1, WC3 and SC2 offer. Starcraft1 and 2 and CoH2 is all that is left. that's your own opinion, lol at this point how many RTS studios even exist. it doesn't matter how great your game is.. if it does not make money and you can't support it... i guess you enjoy that epic GR.Org post sales support for C&C... GameRanger >BNet2 eh? LOLOL its hilarious seeing "RTS fans" rip Blizz to shreds as RTS studio after studio packs it in. lots of yap and no cash. i enjoy age of empires and it's given me a fuck ton of memories, as much as starcaft has. both aoe2 and aoe3 are active too. :/ the server support between AoE and SC2 is not comparable. its just not. and Ensemble no longer exists. and their big pie in the sky plans to have the ex-employees perform server support on the side was just talk. That's just outright false though. Both games are still being actively supported. AoE2HD has its steam servers and AoC is played on voobly either way. AoE3 still has its ESO service up and they're actually renewing the hardware for those servers. There's no active balance support and community support from official devs, however they're maintaining the servers in perfect working order. Either way, I don't even see your point. What are we even arguing about? I just wanted to say that the age of empires RTS series is still active today, with a community behind it. :/ I'll also rip on blizzard for making dumb business decisions with their RTS. e.g. fucking over Korea for no reason. That should've been obvious from the title of the thread... It's such a hilarious title it seems like a parody. CNN breaking news: Boeing announces that they design planes so they don't crash. Intel designs CPUs which preferably don't catch on fire, at least they do their best. FIFA announces that soccer should be fun to watch maybe. Arby's food probably won't make you horribly sick, at least not by design. Ok
That's not what I got out of it. From what I understand, a lot of people believe that what's best for Blizzard and what's best for SC2 are not the same thing. They think that whatever Blizzard is trying to do with SC2 or get out of SC2 is not aligned with SC2's best interests. The quote is Blizzard stating that their involvement with SC2 is in fact with the goal of doing what's best for it.
From what I've observed, no one has any idea what's best for SC2. But there are a lot of people who get very cynical and develop elaborate theories whenever Blizzard makes a decision that negatively impacts something they like about the scene. Instead of looking at the whole situation and the pros and cons and the compromises that must be made, they tunnel vision on the thing they personally prioritize highly and claim that sacrificing this particular thing is a sign that the people in charge do not have our best interests in mind. And the most extreme of them are probably even more upset after reading an interview like this because they don't trust Blizzard and feeling like they're being lied to while being betrayed is even more upsetting. It's irrational for them to pay any attention at all if that's the case.
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On March 09 2016 00:42 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 23:47 Djzapz wrote:On March 08 2016 22:07 Incognoto wrote:Yeah this topic was just PR from blizzard, nothing of substance. ): + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2016 09:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:00 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 06:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 05:53 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 05:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 03:43 Tyrhanius wrote:
I've learned a new english word to describe this speech : double talk.
Come on she doesn't really answer to any questions...
How can we trust Blizzard, if they all speak like politicians ? relative to other large developers Blizzard is not only more honest than all of their competition i would argue they are too honest... and they get crucified by haters for it. overall Blizzard is an honest company. and that means you will sometimes hear things you don't want to hear. On March 08 2016 04:58 swissman777 wrote:
Meanwhile, koreans hate blizzard for feeling so left out and rightfully so considering the incident with blizzard employee telling people to play other games than sc.
i agree with the sentiment. just try other RTS games and you will see they do not bring even 1/10th to the table what WC2, SC1, WC3 and SC2 offer. Starcraft1 and 2 and CoH2 is all that is left. that's your own opinion, lol at this point how many RTS studios even exist. it doesn't matter how great your game is.. if it does not make money and you can't support it... i guess you enjoy that epic GR.Org post sales support for C&C... GameRanger >BNet2 eh? LOLOL its hilarious seeing "RTS fans" rip Blizz to shreds as RTS studio after studio packs it in. lots of yap and no cash. i enjoy age of empires and it's given me a fuck ton of memories, as much as starcaft has. both aoe2 and aoe3 are active too. :/ the server support between AoE and SC2 is not comparable. its just not. and Ensemble no longer exists. and their big pie in the sky plans to have the ex-employees perform server support on the side was just talk. That's just outright false though. Both games are still being actively supported. AoE2HD has its steam servers and AoC is played on voobly either way. AoE3 still has its ESO service up and they're actually renewing the hardware for those servers. There's no active balance support and community support from official devs, however they're maintaining the servers in perfect working order. Either way, I don't even see your point. What are we even arguing about? I just wanted to say that the age of empires RTS series is still active today, with a community behind it. :/ I'll also rip on blizzard for making dumb business decisions with their RTS. e.g. fucking over Korea for no reason. That should've been obvious from the title of the thread... It's such a hilarious title it seems like a parody. CNN breaking news: Boeing announces that they design planes so they don't crash. Intel designs CPUs which preferably don't catch on fire, at least they do their best. FIFA announces that soccer should be fun to watch maybe. Arby's food probably won't make you horribly sick, at least not by design. Ok That's not what I got out of it. From what I understand, a lot of people believe that what's best for Blizzard and what's best for SC2 are not the same thing. They think that whatever Blizzard is trying to do with SC2 or get out of SC2 is not aligned with SC2's best interests. The quote is Blizzard stating that their involvement with SC2 is in fact with the goal of doing what's best for it. From what I've observed, no one has any idea what's best for SC2. But there are a lot of people who get very cynical and develop elaborate theories whenever Blizzard makes a decision that negatively impacts something they like about the scene. Instead of looking at the whole situation and the pros and cons and the compromises that must be made, they tunnel vision on the thing they personally prioritize highly and claim that sacrificing this particular thing is a sign that the people in charge do not have our best interests in mind. And the most extreme of them are probably even more upset after reading an interview like this because they don't trust Blizzard and feeling like they're being lied to while being betrayed is even more upsetting. It's irrational for them to pay any attention at all if that's the case.
I mean even if it's this curious attempt to establish a dialogue with those people, it still comes off as some standard PR. Call me cynical, I still believe that SC2's interests are those of Blizzard, but this is still silver-tongued business with red tape all over it.
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On March 09 2016 00:42 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 23:47 Djzapz wrote:On March 08 2016 22:07 Incognoto wrote:Yeah this topic was just PR from blizzard, nothing of substance. ): + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2016 09:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:00 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 06:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 05:53 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 05:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 03:43 Tyrhanius wrote:
I've learned a new english word to describe this speech : double talk.
Come on she doesn't really answer to any questions...
How can we trust Blizzard, if they all speak like politicians ? relative to other large developers Blizzard is not only more honest than all of their competition i would argue they are too honest... and they get crucified by haters for it. overall Blizzard is an honest company. and that means you will sometimes hear things you don't want to hear. On March 08 2016 04:58 swissman777 wrote:
Meanwhile, koreans hate blizzard for feeling so left out and rightfully so considering the incident with blizzard employee telling people to play other games than sc.
i agree with the sentiment. just try other RTS games and you will see they do not bring even 1/10th to the table what WC2, SC1, WC3 and SC2 offer. Starcraft1 and 2 and CoH2 is all that is left. that's your own opinion, lol at this point how many RTS studios even exist. it doesn't matter how great your game is.. if it does not make money and you can't support it... i guess you enjoy that epic GR.Org post sales support for C&C... GameRanger >BNet2 eh? LOLOL its hilarious seeing "RTS fans" rip Blizz to shreds as RTS studio after studio packs it in. lots of yap and no cash. i enjoy age of empires and it's given me a fuck ton of memories, as much as starcaft has. both aoe2 and aoe3 are active too. :/ the server support between AoE and SC2 is not comparable. its just not. and Ensemble no longer exists. and their big pie in the sky plans to have the ex-employees perform server support on the side was just talk. That's just outright false though. Both games are still being actively supported. AoE2HD has its steam servers and AoC is played on voobly either way. AoE3 still has its ESO service up and they're actually renewing the hardware for those servers. There's no active balance support and community support from official devs, however they're maintaining the servers in perfect working order. Either way, I don't even see your point. What are we even arguing about? I just wanted to say that the age of empires RTS series is still active today, with a community behind it. :/ I'll also rip on blizzard for making dumb business decisions with their RTS. e.g. fucking over Korea for no reason. That should've been obvious from the title of the thread... It's such a hilarious title it seems like a parody. CNN breaking news: Boeing announces that they design planes so they don't crash. Intel designs CPUs which preferably don't catch on fire, at least they do their best. FIFA announces that soccer should be fun to watch maybe. Arby's food probably won't make you horribly sick, at least not by design. Ok That's not what I got out of it. From what I understand, a lot of people believe that what's best for Blizzard and what's best for SC2 are not the same thing. They think that whatever Blizzard is trying to do with SC2 or get out of SC2 is not aligned with SC2's best interests. The quote is Blizzard stating that their involvement with SC2 is in fact with the goal of doing what's best for it. From what I've observed, no one has any idea what's best for SC2. But there are a lot of people who get very cynical and develop elaborate theories whenever Blizzard makes a decision that negatively impacts something they like about the scene. Instead of looking at the whole situation and the pros and cons and the compromises that must be made, they tunnel vision on the thing they personally prioritize highly and claim that sacrificing this particular thing is a sign that the people in charge do not have our best interests in mind. And the most extreme of them are probably even more upset after reading an interview like this because they don't trust Blizzard and feeling like they're being lied to while being betrayed is even more upsetting. It's irrational for them to pay any attention at all if that's the case.
Actually most of the time I'm whining that we're penalizing Koreans, not Starcraft. It just sucks to be Korean since you have less opportunities than foreigners now, thanks to Blizzard. Just look at Axiom. Disbanded because they were Korean.
Now, we have events where it doesn't matter if you're good or not, it matters if you're Korean. So if you're Korean, you're penalized for it.
It's just flat-out unfair to Korean players, because they're Korean. That is objectively true and that is what I am personally whining about. It's just stupid to penalize players for their nationality. :/
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On March 09 2016 02:11 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 00:42 NonY wrote:On March 08 2016 23:47 Djzapz wrote:On March 08 2016 22:07 Incognoto wrote:Yeah this topic was just PR from blizzard, nothing of substance. ): + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2016 09:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:00 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 06:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 05:53 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 05:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 03:43 Tyrhanius wrote:
I've learned a new english word to describe this speech : double talk.
Come on she doesn't really answer to any questions...
How can we trust Blizzard, if they all speak like politicians ? relative to other large developers Blizzard is not only more honest than all of their competition i would argue they are too honest... and they get crucified by haters for it. overall Blizzard is an honest company. and that means you will sometimes hear things you don't want to hear. On March 08 2016 04:58 swissman777 wrote:
Meanwhile, koreans hate blizzard for feeling so left out and rightfully so considering the incident with blizzard employee telling people to play other games than sc.
i agree with the sentiment. just try other RTS games and you will see they do not bring even 1/10th to the table what WC2, SC1, WC3 and SC2 offer. Starcraft1 and 2 and CoH2 is all that is left. that's your own opinion, lol at this point how many RTS studios even exist. it doesn't matter how great your game is.. if it does not make money and you can't support it... i guess you enjoy that epic GR.Org post sales support for C&C... GameRanger >BNet2 eh? LOLOL its hilarious seeing "RTS fans" rip Blizz to shreds as RTS studio after studio packs it in. lots of yap and no cash. i enjoy age of empires and it's given me a fuck ton of memories, as much as starcaft has. both aoe2 and aoe3 are active too. :/ the server support between AoE and SC2 is not comparable. its just not. and Ensemble no longer exists. and their big pie in the sky plans to have the ex-employees perform server support on the side was just talk. That's just outright false though. Both games are still being actively supported. AoE2HD has its steam servers and AoC is played on voobly either way. AoE3 still has its ESO service up and they're actually renewing the hardware for those servers. There's no active balance support and community support from official devs, however they're maintaining the servers in perfect working order. Either way, I don't even see your point. What are we even arguing about? I just wanted to say that the age of empires RTS series is still active today, with a community behind it. :/ I'll also rip on blizzard for making dumb business decisions with their RTS. e.g. fucking over Korea for no reason. That should've been obvious from the title of the thread... It's such a hilarious title it seems like a parody. CNN breaking news: Boeing announces that they design planes so they don't crash. Intel designs CPUs which preferably don't catch on fire, at least they do their best. FIFA announces that soccer should be fun to watch maybe. Arby's food probably won't make you horribly sick, at least not by design. Ok That's not what I got out of it. From what I understand, a lot of people believe that what's best for Blizzard and what's best for SC2 are not the same thing. They think that whatever Blizzard is trying to do with SC2 or get out of SC2 is not aligned with SC2's best interests. The quote is Blizzard stating that their involvement with SC2 is in fact with the goal of doing what's best for it. From what I've observed, no one has any idea what's best for SC2. But there are a lot of people who get very cynical and develop elaborate theories whenever Blizzard makes a decision that negatively impacts something they like about the scene. Instead of looking at the whole situation and the pros and cons and the compromises that must be made, they tunnel vision on the thing they personally prioritize highly and claim that sacrificing this particular thing is a sign that the people in charge do not have our best interests in mind. And the most extreme of them are probably even more upset after reading an interview like this because they don't trust Blizzard and feeling like they're being lied to while being betrayed is even more upsetting. It's irrational for them to pay any attention at all if that's the case. Actually most of the time I'm whining that we're penalizing Koreans, not Starcraft. It just sucks to be Korean since you have less opportunities than foreigners now, thanks to Blizzard. Just look at Axiom. Disbanded because they were Korean. Now, we have events where it doesn't matter if you're good or not, it matters if you're Korean. So if you're Korean, you're penalized for it. It's just flat-out unfair to Korean players, because they're Korean. That is objectively true and that is what I am personally whining about. It's just stupid to penalize players for their nationality. :/
To be fair, Axiom is kind of a 50-50 guess. On one hand with TB's current health situation they were probably on borrowed time at best, but on the other if the WCS rules resembled 2014. I have no doubt they'd at least still be active this year
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Interesting read. I'm not surprised people are retiring...I think the shift of game devotion has taken a toll on starcraft...so many different games to choose from. StarCraft is just one of those games where technical expertise is such an important role in the game...and you do fall behind quickly if you don't play. I think most people prefer to play in team oriented esports and that's probably why the grassroots approach will be successful, but probably not as successful as SC:BW during it's prime in the early/mid 2000's. But I wish...
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On March 09 2016 00:42 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 23:47 Djzapz wrote:On March 08 2016 22:07 Incognoto wrote:Yeah this topic was just PR from blizzard, nothing of substance. ): + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2016 09:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 08:00 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 06:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 05:53 Incognoto wrote:On March 08 2016 05:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 08 2016 03:43 Tyrhanius wrote:
I've learned a new english word to describe this speech : double talk.
Come on she doesn't really answer to any questions...
How can we trust Blizzard, if they all speak like politicians ? relative to other large developers Blizzard is not only more honest than all of their competition i would argue they are too honest... and they get crucified by haters for it. overall Blizzard is an honest company. and that means you will sometimes hear things you don't want to hear. On March 08 2016 04:58 swissman777 wrote:
Meanwhile, koreans hate blizzard for feeling so left out and rightfully so considering the incident with blizzard employee telling people to play other games than sc.
i agree with the sentiment. just try other RTS games and you will see they do not bring even 1/10th to the table what WC2, SC1, WC3 and SC2 offer. Starcraft1 and 2 and CoH2 is all that is left. that's your own opinion, lol at this point how many RTS studios even exist. it doesn't matter how great your game is.. if it does not make money and you can't support it... i guess you enjoy that epic GR.Org post sales support for C&C... GameRanger >BNet2 eh? LOLOL its hilarious seeing "RTS fans" rip Blizz to shreds as RTS studio after studio packs it in. lots of yap and no cash. i enjoy age of empires and it's given me a fuck ton of memories, as much as starcaft has. both aoe2 and aoe3 are active too. :/ the server support between AoE and SC2 is not comparable. its just not. and Ensemble no longer exists. and their big pie in the sky plans to have the ex-employees perform server support on the side was just talk. That's just outright false though. Both games are still being actively supported. AoE2HD has its steam servers and AoC is played on voobly either way. AoE3 still has its ESO service up and they're actually renewing the hardware for those servers. There's no active balance support and community support from official devs, however they're maintaining the servers in perfect working order. Either way, I don't even see your point. What are we even arguing about? I just wanted to say that the age of empires RTS series is still active today, with a community behind it. :/ I'll also rip on blizzard for making dumb business decisions with their RTS. e.g. fucking over Korea for no reason. That should've been obvious from the title of the thread... It's such a hilarious title it seems like a parody. CNN breaking news: Boeing announces that they design planes so they don't crash. Intel designs CPUs which preferably don't catch on fire, at least they do their best. FIFA announces that soccer should be fun to watch maybe. Arby's food probably won't make you horribly sick, at least not by design. Ok That's not what I got out of it. From what I understand, a lot of people believe that what's best for Blizzard and what's best for SC2 are not the same thing. They think that whatever Blizzard is trying to do with SC2 or get out of SC2 is not aligned with SC2's best interests. The quote is Blizzard stating that their involvement with SC2 is in fact with the goal of doing what's best for it. From what I've observed, no one has any idea what's best for SC2. But there are a lot of people who get very cynical and develop elaborate theories whenever Blizzard makes a decision that negatively impacts something they like about the scene. Instead of looking at the whole situation and the pros and cons and the compromises that must be made, they tunnel vision on the thing they personally prioritize highly and claim that sacrificing this particular thing is a sign that the people in charge do not have our best interests in mind. And the most extreme of them are probably even more upset after reading an interview like this because they don't trust Blizzard and feeling like they're being lied to while being betrayed is even more upsetting. It's irrational for them to pay any attention at all if that's the case.
So do you think restricted acess for Koreans to WCS is a good thing? Personally, I think it is good or it's not what has damaged sc2 popularity at least. You played BW and you remember that Koreans didn't need WCS, MLG, and similar tournaments, yet BW was doing so well. However, they had MSL, OSL and GomTv tournament which wasn't too popular with KeSPA pro gamers. So maybe what Blizzard misses in Korea is several tournaments such as MSL and OSL but this should really be up to sponsors and KeSPA not Blizzard.
Edit: I'd even argue that Blizzard shouldn't host Blizzcon at all. All the money they spend on that for sc2 should really go to game developers to make sc2 better, while organisations such as KeSPA and GomTv should host their own tournament. Blizzard doesn't have the capacity to run tournaments, develop games and support them. It's like believing in more government means better.
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Once again a poor decision is made at Blizzard HQ. They screwed up DotA and missed at a golden opportunity hat was literally on their feet waiting to be picked up. But nup, their arrogance blinds them and gets picked up by Valve.
I mean cmon the map makers were using blizzards engine!!!
As a result we get more shitty decisions like making maps are now owned by Blizzard (yeah good one! Their asses are covered next time something big comes out of the community which gives themselves full rights and the ability to toss the creator out with ease). And yes they will do this, they even tried to sue valve for the name DotA and they know they screwed up.
I do admit blizzard do produce good quality products and the love they put in is obvious but man the poor decisions we seen since the release of WoL have given them a result they deserve.
They really are hurting themselves in the long run with dumb rules like having an attempt to monopolise all tournaments.
They should either ban all tournaments and create 1 mainstream tournament or let it free reign on its own.
Also I wouldn't mind if they open sourced their engine more so we can actually more creativity .
IMO Blozzard should ignore the exports scene and let it organically take care of itself and focus more on developing games as they used to do.
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On March 09 2016 03:45 FoxerGames wrote:
IMO Blozzard should ignore the exports scene and let it organically take care of itself and focus more on developing games as they used to do.
Agreed, but they're all too greedy
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On March 09 2016 03:45 FoxerGames wrote:
IMO Blozzard should ignore the exports scene and let it organically take care of itself and focus more on developing games as they used to do.
That's how BW succeeded but I'm not sure that it's the best way to go these days. The biggest esports are those that get support from the game's developer, there's a very real symbiotic relationship between a dev and its game where, given good management, the money spent on the esports scene (marketing) generates some sales and consumer good-will. This is good for the dev/publisher as well as the competitive scene.
Think about Riot with LoL and Valve with Dota2 and CSGO, these are developers which are active in esports, and although they've both made many mistakes (some particularly bad), they're still orgs with deep pockets.
Do you think Blizzard should ignore esports specifically because you think they're bad at it, because that I could understand. But I'd argue that perhaps they need a department to handle this and maybe they should do their homework.
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Hmmmm........interesting.......
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On March 09 2016 03:45 FoxerGames wrote:
Once again a poor decision is made at Blizzard HQ. They screwed up DotA and missed at a golden opportunity hat was literally on their feet waiting to be picked up. But nup, their arrogance blinds them and gets picked up by Valve.
i disagree
based on Pardo's giant 6 hour interview shortly after leaving Blizz .... they had no development bandwidth to take on a new project as WoW was exploding in popularity. they were expecting to make millions from WoW and instead it made Billions.
On March 09 2016 03:45 FoxerGames wrote:
IMO Blozzard should ignore the exports scene and let it organically take care of itself and focus more on developing games as they used to do.
i agree.
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A chance for foreigners to shine seems important. If we help grow foreign AND korean starcraft it will be better! If 3 leagues are not enough you could always expand on that, not take away from potential growth of the entire world. iem got 60k btw. Proof that people want to watch foreigners play! If we can get starcraft around the world to grow more this means more attention on starcraft. More money, more design focus, and more potential players! Growing starcraft needs to come at any cost necessary imo. If thats cutting all foreigners out of the picture or reducing korean dominance around the world for chances of local fan growth.
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On March 09 2016 04:36 ilililililililiii wrote:
A chance for foreigners to shine seems important. If we help grow foreign AND korean starcraft it will be better! If 3 leagues are not enough you could always expand on that, not take away from potential growth of the entire world. iem got 60k btw. Proof that people want to watch foreigners play! If we can get starcraft around the world to grow more this means more attention on starcraft. More money, more design focus, and more potential players! Growing starcraft needs to come at any cost necessary imo. If thats cutting all foreigners out of the picture or reducing korean dominance around the world for chances of local fan growth.
Foreigners have plenty of chances to shine, it should be their business to take them and to make the best of it. If they don't, that's on them and real competitors should understand that. Some affirmative action is cute at first, until it's not.
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I think it needs to come at any cost necessary. So trying this out sounds fine in a game that seems to be "dying". if not we'll know soon enough if we need to change it back. IEM had 60k which was surprising.
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On March 09 2016 05:01 ilililililililiii wrote:
I think it needs to come at any cost necessary. See if this works if not we'll know soon enough.
There are steps you can't take back though... And viewership is not everything.
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If you said that years ago when it would have risked the popular and what seemd to be growing scene id agree with you. But i feel like we're more desperate than ever. This seems to be a solid run at trying something different.
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