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HugoBallzak
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
at this point how many RTS studios even exist. it doesn't matter how great your game is.. if it does not make money and you can't support it... i guess you enjoy that epic GR.Org post sales support for C&C... GameRanger >BNet2 eh? LOLOL  its hilarious seeing "RTS fans" rip Blizz to shreds as RTS studio after studio packs it in. lots of yap and no cash. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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JeffKim
Korea (South)36 Posts
On March 08 2016 06:55 shid0x wrote: We can predict the future and withheld the angst.Was expecting a lot more sexist joke and red warnings when browsing through those pages. | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On March 08 2016 05:01 Incognoto wrote: Did that really happen? Can I have a source please? In this situation, Blizzard Korea employees have no problem going around saying "StarCraft 2 isn't any fun, is it? Play other games." in the company of pro players. I don't think that's right. Players, teams, industry workers are all doing their best to keep StarCraft 2 afloat. Saying that kind of stuff shows you don't have the right attitude. Of course, it they probably meant it as telling players to play HearthStone or Heroes of the Storm. Still, I can't understand it. at translated interview of iloveoov at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/501182-interview-iloveoov-on-coaching-philosophy-the-state-of-sc2-in-korea-wcs-2016-and-more I primarily read the original version and Oov is pretty much angry in the korean version too for blizz against Korean players and that it's leading to people retiring in mass | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On March 08 2016 06:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote: at this point how many RTS studios even exist. it doesn't matter how great your game is.. if it does not make money and you can't support it... i guess you enjoy that epic GR.Org post sales support for C&C... GameRanger >BNet2 eh? LOLOL its hilarious seeing "RTS fans" rip Blizz to shreds as RTS studio after studio packs it in. lots of yap and no cash. i enjoy age of empires and it's given me a fuck ton of memories, as much as starcaft has. both aoe2 and aoe3 are active too. :/ | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24235 Posts
On March 08 2016 02:00 OtherWorld wrote: -Why didn't you learn from the French experience? All seems to point to the fact that progress in national scenes is first achieved through nationwide events (like Underdogs for the French scene), NOT through creating a false "top-level" for the players ie a huge tournament where players win 6K$ for winning one single Bo5 (do you realize that sum is 4 times the minimal salary in France? Jesus)? Why not invest money into national scenes instead of an artificial high-level tournament? Then those players could confront with Koreans at the traditional "open to all" events like DH or IEM, and their level of play would be better. Definitely agree there. We need more strong national scenes. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On March 08 2016 06:18 Charoisaur wrote: Personally I think the 2015 system was perfect. It seemed like a good compromise between people wanting to see koreans and people wanting to see foreigners. We had our foreign tournament where foreigner had a realistic chance to win and also collect a ton of prizemoney (1,5 k for a ro64 finish; for up and coming foreigners it was far better than the current system where only the top foreigners benefit from). At the same time koreans had still the opportunity to travel all around the world to compete at foreign tournaments and interact with foreign fans. If it's true that blizzard was forced to cancel the WCS tournament (it sounds like it) I can understand their decision but it's still a shame that koreans get denied any opportunity to interact with foreign fans and many koreans who relied on those foreign tournaments got forced into irrelevance or retirement. It also sucks that there are only 2 seasons for GSL and SSL which means that once a player fails both qualifier he has nothing to play in for half a year but I guess this is not blizzards fault. The least blizzard can do for the korean scene right now is to make more global events (at least 3 per year) so there will be at least SOME foreign tournaments they can play in. Also I guess blizzcon ro16 will be a bit of a joke with koreans making a competition out of it who finishes his bo5 the fastest. I don't think 8 quick 3 - 0s will be good for the mentality of foreigners. Well at this point it's not 8 Foreigners. The best for Foreign hopes would be 7+Polt (Who has an automatic qualification spot sewn up from the Winter Championship). More likely it's going to be 5+Polt, Hydra, Violet. Could even be 4 if Stardust still has his visa (He said on twitter he's coming back) | ||
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Eighty7Gaming
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
On March 08 2016 08:00 Incognoto wrote: i enjoy age of empires and it's given me a fuck ton of memories, as much as starcaft has. both aoe2 and aoe3 are active too. :/ the server support between AoE and SC2 is not comparable. its just not. and Ensemble no longer exists. and their big pie in the sky plans to have the ex-employees perform server support on the side was just talk. | ||
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Wrath
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Dingodile
4137 Posts
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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
On March 08 2016 04:14 nurle wrote: Kim Phan: "We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for StarCraft." Sadly you have not done this once since the beta came out! So either thats not what they are trying to do or they are incompetent at it. If Blizzard was an Employee, it would get fired. *That being said, every game will lose popularity after the initial few years (2 normally for a multiplayer game), and it is still more active than ghost towns like Crysis 2 multiplayer, etc.* The only problem is that Blizzard does NOT have perfect information about the landscape of SC2 E-Sports, therefore is making decisions based on incomplete information. Its as safe as making decisions on a con-flip basis. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
She undeniably deserves some street cred when you see how negative and hostile some of the comments are. On March 08 2016 04:14 nurle wrote: Kim Phan: "We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for StarCraft." Sadly you have not done this once since the beta came out! this comment is vague. which beta? there were 3. | ||
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Dingodile
4137 Posts
On March 08 2016 06:18 Charoisaur wrote: Personally I think the 2015 system was perfect. It seemed like a good compromise between people wanting to see koreans and people wanting to see foreigners. You really liked that eu players had to flight 16h from eu to usa studio and played 2-3 bo3 games of ro32/16 groupstage? Same in WCS 2013/2014 when snute played for WCS NA. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
On March 08 2016 20:45 Dingodile wrote: You really liked that eu players had to flight 16h from eu to usa studio and played 2-3 bo3 games of ro32/16 groupstage? Same in WCS 2013/2014 when snute played for WCS NA. This is not something special. At blizzcon 8 players play only 1 bo5. | ||
munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On March 08 2016 21:06 Charoisaur wrote: This is not something special. At blizzcon 8 players play only 1 bo5. Global playoffs for 2016 has changed format; groups into 8 man bracket | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
This is off topic: + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2016 09:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the server support between AoE and SC2 is not comparable. its just not. and Ensemble no longer exists. and their big pie in the sky plans to have the ex-employees perform server support on the side was just talk. That's just outright false though. Both games are still being actively supported. AoE2HD has its steam servers and AoC is played on voobly either way. AoE3 still has its ESO service up and they're actually renewing the hardware for those servers. There's no active balance support and community support from official devs, however they're maintaining the servers in perfect working order. Either way, I don't even see your point. What are we even arguing about? I just wanted to say that the age of empires RTS series is still active today, with a community behind it. :/ I'll also rip on blizzard for making dumb business decisions with their RTS. e.g. fucking over Korea for no reason. | ||
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