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On June 05 2016 08:10 HugoBallzak wrote:
I stopped following sc2 because lotv is not a good game.
I think exactly the opposite. LotV is a great game and David Kim and people around him are open to the communication with the whole community and are trying to make the game more balanced. I watched this weekend from nostalgia the BlizzCon finals sOs vs. Jae Dong and saw the looooong games, where nothing happens for a long time. At that time, you either gave Protoss time to create a deathball, and you lost, or you stopped him before. Now, it is not at all the case. And the economy change improved all games by 100%!
I also accepted the change of BlizzCon that there will be 8 foreigners and 8 Koreans and somehow am satisfied with it - now, it is more like the olympic games of Starcraft 2. I am also fine with Blizzard supporting some tournaments to give money to foreigners. What I hate is the "lock down" of any tournament, who would otherwise invite Koreans, to prize money 50k+. If they had their WCS2016 system and there were 5 global events, I think, all the fans would get used to it and be fine with it.
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On March 07 2016 17:56 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 17:41 usopsama wrote:We are trying to make sure we are doing... what’s best for the players. When she says they are doing what's best for the "players," I guess she is really referring to the foreign players. I mean, they really fucked over a lot of passionate and highly-skilled Korean players with their region-lock. How ironic would it be if more foreign players, like Lilbow, go to Blizzcon after practicing only, like, 2 games. I am still waiting for the win he was training for  This Karma thing is gorgeous And the first part - yeah, "we fucked the best players, but we are doing what's best for the players" - I think that's just a pure PR meaningless talk. What is she supposed to say? We fucked Koreans, we applied racist rule, we haven't released book rules yet, but ... we are doing the best for players. Do you want to buy Nova campaign?
The old system harmed the regional players (major playerbase). Either way, you harm someone. The goal is to grow sc2 globally and to give everyone the same chance. That wont happen, when foreigners are not motivated to practise, because they have no chance to earn money. Once foreigners are good enough, we can open the competition again.
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On June 05 2016 17:04 todespolka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 17:56 deacon.frost wrote:On March 07 2016 17:41 usopsama wrote:We are trying to make sure we are doing... what’s best for the players. When she says they are doing what's best for the "players," I guess she is really referring to the foreign players. I mean, they really fucked over a lot of passionate and highly-skilled Korean players with their region-lock. How ironic would it be if more foreign players, like Lilbow, go to Blizzcon after practicing only, like, 2 games. I am still waiting for the win he was training for This Karma thing is gorgeous And the first part - yeah, "we fucked the best players, but we are doing what's best for the players" - I think that's just a pure PR meaningless talk. What is she supposed to say? We fucked Koreans, we applied racist rule, we haven't released book rules yet, but ... we are doing the best for players. Do you want to buy Nova campaign? The old system harmed the regional players (major playerbase). Either way, you harm someone. The goal is to grow sc2 globally and to give everyone the same chance. That wont happen, when foreigners are not motivated to practise, because they have no chance to earn money. Once foreigners are good enough, we can open the competition again.
What is the status of the game currently? Not gameplay wise as each has his own opinion about it, but interest in general. Is it gaining more than 2015 HOTS? Looking at the streaming numbers I'm not sure if it changed at all (or even changed to worst).
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From my point of view people tend to play more instead of making money via streaming. But thats only my 2 cents
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On June 05 2016 17:04 todespolka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 17:56 deacon.frost wrote:On March 07 2016 17:41 usopsama wrote:We are trying to make sure we are doing... what’s best for the players. When she says they are doing what's best for the "players," I guess she is really referring to the foreign players. I mean, they really fucked over a lot of passionate and highly-skilled Korean players with their region-lock. How ironic would it be if more foreign players, like Lilbow, go to Blizzcon after practicing only, like, 2 games. I am still waiting for the win he was training for This Karma thing is gorgeous And the first part - yeah, "we fucked the best players, but we are doing what's best for the players" - I think that's just a pure PR meaningless talk. What is she supposed to say? We fucked Koreans, we applied racist rule, we haven't released book rules yet, but ... we are doing the best for players. Do you want to buy Nova campaign? The old system harmed the regional players (major playerbase). Either way, you harm someone. The goal is to grow sc2 globally and to give everyone the same chance. That wont happen, when foreigners are not motivated to practise, because they have no chance to earn money. Once foreigners are good enough, we can open the competition again.
Are you serious?
That is like saying that allowing master and grand master players to play in tournaments is harming 96 % of the player base (diamond, plat, gold, silver, bronze)...
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On June 05 2016 17:04 todespolka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 17:56 deacon.frost wrote:On March 07 2016 17:41 usopsama wrote:We are trying to make sure we are doing... what’s best for the players. When she says they are doing what's best for the "players," I guess she is really referring to the foreign players. I mean, they really fucked over a lot of passionate and highly-skilled Korean players with their region-lock. How ironic would it be if more foreign players, like Lilbow, go to Blizzcon after practicing only, like, 2 games. I am still waiting for the win he was training for This Karma thing is gorgeous And the first part - yeah, "we fucked the best players, but we are doing what's best for the players" - I think that's just a pure PR meaningless talk. What is she supposed to say? We fucked Koreans, we applied racist rule, we haven't released book rules yet, but ... we are doing the best for players. Do you want to buy Nova campaign? The old system harmed the regional players (major playerbase). Either way, you harm someone. The goal is to grow sc2 globally and to give everyone the same chance. That wont happen, when foreigners are not motivated to practise, because they have no chance to earn money. Once foreigners are good enough, we can open the competition again.
They will never be good enough with the poor habits and work ethic a lot of them have. Sorry. That has been a problem since the 90s. Rewarding bad habits is a pity. The thing is it doesn't have to be that way. There is a way to fine a happy medium but instead you shit the bed with a lot of players and these people will never come back. I don't mind the whole regional stuff like the WCG but when you block players and put all sorts of region locks on just about everything else you're giving them no reason to continue. A lot of these players were continuing for the experience and to make money. You disallow the best players to make money and they will go elsewhere.
The guys who went back to BW are making more money than a lot of the current SC2 players. It's frigging sad.
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On March 07 2016 21:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
That headline is fucking brilliant... absolutely fucking brilliant. a tip of my chapeau to the wise man who decided to make that the headline of this interview.
"We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for StarCraft."
the ultimate in passive-voice, oblique statements. can it get any worse?
"We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for StarCraft."
sounds like a left-wing, grassroots labour/democratic party talking about the economy.
"we are trying to make sure we are doing what's best for the economy by funding government projects"
"We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for StarCraft."
sounds like the lazy husband/wife whose relationship is spinning out of control saying...
"i was hoping to try my best to make my marriage hopefully work if that is possible"
the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
the haters have clearly pounded Ms. Phan into defense-mode during interviews and that's sad. i prefer teh fuck-you atttitudes of guys like Pardo and Browder.
Did you ever think that maybe the simple explanation for this would be that they are trying to do what they believe is best for Starcraft, instead of your weird "they've pounded her into passiveness" explanation? With that being said, TL forums have turned into what Blizzard forums were years ago at the start of WoL. Hardly any useful discussion with an abundance of emotional opinions, but then again, the mods were super strict at that time. I long for a return to the olden days
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On June 05 2016 05:18 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 17:07 Ingvar wrote:
Yup, as expected, no global events, not enough tournaments in Korea (where are these Kespa cups, huh?). Blizzard is killing Korean scene which is very stupid in the long term because foreign scene is unreliable and undedicated, it will die withiout Blizzard's help. This is the part that really doesn't make sense to me. Why is Blizzard continuing to implement policies that harm the Korean scene when it's the only one that has anything resembling self reliance? the foreign scene has been since 2012 on Blizzard's life support. It can't exist without its help. So why continue to try and prop it up at the cost of the Korean scene? It doesn't make sense. You're hurting your actual scene trying to force something to exist that doesn't really want to.
Because of that word that is banned in this thread.
It's an absolute joke that a Korean player can make more for himself these days by going back to BW rather than staying in the current system. Meanwhile the viewership numbers keep going down, down, down.
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On June 06 2016 02:27 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 17:04 todespolka wrote:On March 07 2016 17:56 deacon.frost wrote:On March 07 2016 17:41 usopsama wrote:We are trying to make sure we are doing... what’s best for the players. When she says they are doing what's best for the "players," I guess she is really referring to the foreign players. I mean, they really fucked over a lot of passionate and highly-skilled Korean players with their region-lock. How ironic would it be if more foreign players, like Lilbow, go to Blizzcon after practicing only, like, 2 games. I am still waiting for the win he was training for This Karma thing is gorgeous And the first part - yeah, "we fucked the best players, but we are doing what's best for the players" - I think that's just a pure PR meaningless talk. What is she supposed to say? We fucked Koreans, we applied racist rule, we haven't released book rules yet, but ... we are doing the best for players. Do you want to buy Nova campaign? The old system harmed the regional players (major playerbase). Either way, you harm someone. The goal is to grow sc2 globally and to give everyone the same chance. That wont happen, when foreigners are not motivated to practise, because they have no chance to earn money. Once foreigners are good enough, we can open the competition again. They will never be good enough with the poor habits and work ethic a lot of them have. Sorry. That has been a problem since the 90s. Rewarding bad habits is a pity. The thing is it doesn't have to be that way. There is a way to fine a happy medium but instead you shit the bed with a lot of players and these people will never come back. I don't mind the whole regional stuff like the WCG but when you block players and put all sorts of region locks on just about everything else you're giving them no reason to continue. A lot of these players were continuing for the experience and to make money. You disallow the best players to make money and they will go elsewhere. The guys who went back to BW are making more money than a lot of the current SC2 players. It's frigging sad.
Only a handfull of Stars are doing really well in the BW scene. In case you haven't paid attention, the competitions for BW aren't exactly the most glamorous thing on the planet this year.
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And I don't think this system has anything to do with them retiring. The only one who recently left and is 'doing well' in BW is Flash and he had already decided to leave SC2.
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Not sure if this is the best place to post this but, has there been any official comment by Blizzard about all of the Korean teams disbanding?
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On December 04 2016 15:00 dgwow wrote:
Not sure if this is the best place to post this but, has there been any official comment by Blizzard about all of the Korean teams disbanding?
Nothing so far.
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Why would they make any official comment on that?
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How do we grow pro players and give them the chance to shine and to show they truly are skilled? It’s wonderful to see all the best players of the world play and not just Korea—certainly the best of the best in StarCraft is in Korea, no doubt about it—, but there is a best of the best in StarCraft all over the world as well and we wanted to be able to put a spotlight on that
... Lol
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