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On June 01 2016 09:53 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 05:37 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 05:04 Diabolique wrote:On June 01 2016 05:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's nothing we didn't know, but it's really good that we see them caring about the foreigner scene. Well, I did not know that there is the one global event really planned, so I am quite happy, Kim Phan mentioned it. But so far, they are waiting too long with the announcement of the details. Which can bring some confusion into the community. What's confusing about it? She lied to try and appease people. Rumors of a global event in the works have been spoken about by personalities on stream since that interview has taken place, and the ones I've seen talk about it have said that it's still being planned and not yet final. Just because it wasn't announced when you wanted it to be doesn't mean we've been lied to.
Do I need to risk a ban by breaking out a laughing gif or is that just superfluous at this point?
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What is this 'Global Event' the wise sages speaketh about? Are they legends? Or are they real - all of it?
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On June 01 2016 10:00 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 09:53 StasisField wrote:On June 01 2016 05:37 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 05:04 Diabolique wrote:On June 01 2016 05:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's nothing we didn't know, but it's really good that we see them caring about the foreigner scene. Well, I did not know that there is the one global event really planned, so I am quite happy, Kim Phan mentioned it. But so far, they are waiting too long with the announcement of the details. Which can bring some confusion into the community. What's confusing about it? She lied to try and appease people. Rumors of a global event in the works have been spoken about by personalities on stream since that interview has taken place, and the ones I've seen talk about it have said that it's still being planned and not yet final. Just because it wasn't announced when you wanted it to be doesn't mean we've been lied to. Do I need to risk a ban by breaking out a laughing gif or is that just superfluous at this point?
So you're going to meet somebody who is telling you the global event you want is being worked on in the background with ridicule? Seems logical and smart. If you want to be angry and upset over not getting everything you want right when you want it, go ahead lol
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On June 01 2016 14:41 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 10:00 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 09:53 StasisField wrote:On June 01 2016 05:37 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 05:04 Diabolique wrote:On June 01 2016 05:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's nothing we didn't know, but it's really good that we see them caring about the foreigner scene. Well, I did not know that there is the one global event really planned, so I am quite happy, Kim Phan mentioned it. But so far, they are waiting too long with the announcement of the details. Which can bring some confusion into the community. What's confusing about it? She lied to try and appease people. Rumors of a global event in the works have been spoken about by personalities on stream since that interview has taken place, and the ones I've seen talk about it have said that it's still being planned and not yet final. Just because it wasn't announced when you wanted it to be doesn't mean we've been lied to. Do I need to risk a ban by breaking out a laughing gif or is that just superfluous at this point? So you're going to meet somebody who is telling you the global event you want is being worked on in the background with ridicule? Seems logical and smart. If you want to be angry and upset over not getting everything you want right when you want it, go ahead lol
It's simply a matter that there's not really a trust around an actual WCS Global Event being planned. If this gets brought up again, I'm sure they'll say some plans fell through, sponsors didn't sign on, etc etc
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On June 01 2016 15:39 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 14:41 StasisField wrote:On June 01 2016 10:00 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 09:53 StasisField wrote:On June 01 2016 05:37 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 05:04 Diabolique wrote:On June 01 2016 05:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's nothing we didn't know, but it's really good that we see them caring about the foreigner scene. Well, I did not know that there is the one global event really planned, so I am quite happy, Kim Phan mentioned it. But so far, they are waiting too long with the announcement of the details. Which can bring some confusion into the community. What's confusing about it? She lied to try and appease people. Rumors of a global event in the works have been spoken about by personalities on stream since that interview has taken place, and the ones I've seen talk about it have said that it's still being planned and not yet final. Just because it wasn't announced when you wanted it to be doesn't mean we've been lied to. Do I need to risk a ban by breaking out a laughing gif or is that just superfluous at this point? So you're going to meet somebody who is telling you the global event you want is being worked on in the background with ridicule? Seems logical and smart. If you want to be angry and upset over not getting everything you want right when you want it, go ahead lol It's simply a matter that there's not really a trust around an actual WCS Global Event being planned. If this gets brought up again, I'm sure they'll say some plans fell through, sponsors didn't sign on, etc etc
For me, it is quite simple. Blizzard has created a system for 2016, which makes organizing a "global event" almost impossible. After the announcement of this system, there was a huge wave of critics against Blizzard. Many supporters of the new system requested, we have to wait for the actual tournaments to be held. First then, we will be able to evaluate it. Then, Kim Phan mentioned in this interview, that there is actually one global event being planned.
If it turns out to be false and there will be no global event held, then the WCS 2016 could be declared as a complete fiasco, all the critics would be right and Blizzard would get into a funny position of a company, which killed its own game. I only hope, people at Blizzard are aware of that.
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On June 01 2016 16:11 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 15:39 Chaggi wrote:On June 01 2016 14:41 StasisField wrote:On June 01 2016 10:00 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 09:53 StasisField wrote:On June 01 2016 05:37 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 05:04 Diabolique wrote:On June 01 2016 05:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's nothing we didn't know, but it's really good that we see them caring about the foreigner scene. Well, I did not know that there is the one global event really planned, so I am quite happy, Kim Phan mentioned it. But so far, they are waiting too long with the announcement of the details. Which can bring some confusion into the community. What's confusing about it? She lied to try and appease people. Rumors of a global event in the works have been spoken about by personalities on stream since that interview has taken place, and the ones I've seen talk about it have said that it's still being planned and not yet final. Just because it wasn't announced when you wanted it to be doesn't mean we've been lied to. Do I need to risk a ban by breaking out a laughing gif or is that just superfluous at this point? So you're going to meet somebody who is telling you the global event you want is being worked on in the background with ridicule? Seems logical and smart. If you want to be angry and upset over not getting everything you want right when you want it, go ahead lol It's simply a matter that there's not really a trust around an actual WCS Global Event being planned. If this gets brought up again, I'm sure they'll say some plans fell through, sponsors didn't sign on, etc etc For me, it is quite simple. Blizzard has created a system for 2016, which makes organizing a "global event" almost impossible. After the announcement of this system, there was a huge wave of critics against Blizzard. Many supporters of the new system requested, we have to wait for the actual tournaments to be held. First then, we will be able to evaluate it. Then, Kim Phan mentioned in this interview, that there is actually one global event being planned. If it turns out to be false and there will be no global event held, then the WCS 2016 could be declared as a complete fiasco, all the critics would be right and Blizzard would get into a funny position of a company, which killed its own game. I only hope, people at Blizzard are aware of that.
I still remember the optimism when they announced the new rules. There will be more than 1 global event. And so far we had none 
Cannot stop laughing.
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On June 01 2016 16:14 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 16:11 Diabolique wrote:On June 01 2016 15:39 Chaggi wrote:On June 01 2016 14:41 StasisField wrote:On June 01 2016 10:00 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 09:53 StasisField wrote:On June 01 2016 05:37 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 05:04 Diabolique wrote:On June 01 2016 05:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's nothing we didn't know, but it's really good that we see them caring about the foreigner scene. Well, I did not know that there is the one global event really planned, so I am quite happy, Kim Phan mentioned it. But so far, they are waiting too long with the announcement of the details. Which can bring some confusion into the community. What's confusing about it? She lied to try and appease people. Rumors of a global event in the works have been spoken about by personalities on stream since that interview has taken place, and the ones I've seen talk about it have said that it's still being planned and not yet final. Just because it wasn't announced when you wanted it to be doesn't mean we've been lied to. Do I need to risk a ban by breaking out a laughing gif or is that just superfluous at this point? So you're going to meet somebody who is telling you the global event you want is being worked on in the background with ridicule? Seems logical and smart. If you want to be angry and upset over not getting everything you want right when you want it, go ahead lol It's simply a matter that there's not really a trust around an actual WCS Global Event being planned. If this gets brought up again, I'm sure they'll say some plans fell through, sponsors didn't sign on, etc etc For me, it is quite simple. Blizzard has created a system for 2016, which makes organizing a "global event" almost impossible. After the announcement of this system, there was a huge wave of critics against Blizzard. Many supporters of the new system requested, we have to wait for the actual tournaments to be held. First then, we will be able to evaluate it. Then, Kim Phan mentioned in this interview, that there is actually one global event being planned. If it turns out to be false and there will be no global event held, then the WCS 2016 could be declared as a complete fiasco, all the critics would be right and Blizzard would get into a funny position of a company, which killed its own game. I only hope, people at Blizzard are aware of that. I still remember the optimism when they announced the new rules. There will be more than 1 global event. And so far we had none Cannot stop laughing.
When the new system was announced, a lot of people called that there'd maybe be one Global Event at most. There's nothing wrong with optimism but the people saying there would be more weren't be realistic.
There's an IEM in Korea in December, I'd put some pretty good money on that being the one Global Event this year
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Why does everyone shit on Blizzard for WCS? This is just as much to do with ESL (And DH?) flexing their muscle and making Blizz go to this system or lose ESL support of SC2.
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On June 01 2016 16:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 16:14 deacon.frost wrote:On June 01 2016 16:11 Diabolique wrote:On June 01 2016 15:39 Chaggi wrote:On June 01 2016 14:41 StasisField wrote:On June 01 2016 10:00 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 09:53 StasisField wrote:On June 01 2016 05:37 showstealer1829 wrote:On June 01 2016 05:04 Diabolique wrote:On June 01 2016 05:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's nothing we didn't know, but it's really good that we see them caring about the foreigner scene. Well, I did not know that there is the one global event really planned, so I am quite happy, Kim Phan mentioned it. But so far, they are waiting too long with the announcement of the details. Which can bring some confusion into the community. What's confusing about it? She lied to try and appease people. Rumors of a global event in the works have been spoken about by personalities on stream since that interview has taken place, and the ones I've seen talk about it have said that it's still being planned and not yet final. Just because it wasn't announced when you wanted it to be doesn't mean we've been lied to. Do I need to risk a ban by breaking out a laughing gif or is that just superfluous at this point? So you're going to meet somebody who is telling you the global event you want is being worked on in the background with ridicule? Seems logical and smart. If you want to be angry and upset over not getting everything you want right when you want it, go ahead lol It's simply a matter that there's not really a trust around an actual WCS Global Event being planned. If this gets brought up again, I'm sure they'll say some plans fell through, sponsors didn't sign on, etc etc For me, it is quite simple. Blizzard has created a system for 2016, which makes organizing a "global event" almost impossible. After the announcement of this system, there was a huge wave of critics against Blizzard. Many supporters of the new system requested, we have to wait for the actual tournaments to be held. First then, we will be able to evaluate it. Then, Kim Phan mentioned in this interview, that there is actually one global event being planned. If it turns out to be false and there will be no global event held, then the WCS 2016 could be declared as a complete fiasco, all the critics would be right and Blizzard would get into a funny position of a company, which killed its own game. I only hope, people at Blizzard are aware of that. I still remember the optimism when they announced the new rules. There will be more than 1 global event. And so far we had none Cannot stop laughing. When the new system was announced, a lot of people called that there'd maybe be one Global Event at most. There's nothing wrong with optimism but the people saying there would be more weren't be realistic. There's an IEM in Korea in December, I'd put some pretty good money on that being the one Global Event this year
Yeah, and some were reacting that this mystical one global tourney will be actually Blizzcon.
Anyway, if the only global tournament will be held AFTER this season, it will be probably even bigger fail from Blizzard
On June 01 2016 16:17 Phredxor wrote:
Why does everyone shit on Blizzard for WCS? This is just as much to do with ESL (And DH?) flexing their muscle and making Blizz go to this system or lose ESL support of SC2.
Because Blizzard announced it and forced it.
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How do you know Blizzard forced it?
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On June 01 2016 16:25 Phredxor wrote:
How do you know Blizzard forced it?
Is this trolling?
Who announced these rules? Blizzard.
Who is checking that these rules are fulfilled? Blizzard.
Who is the biggest chief when it comes to WCS? Blizzard.
So even if Blizzard didn't have any other option it's still THEIR announcement and THEIR rules.
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On June 01 2016 16:30 deacon.frost wrote:Is this trolling? Who announced these rules? Blizzard. Who is checking that these rules are fulfilled? Blizzard. Who is the biggest chief when it comes to WCS? Blizzard. So even if Blizzard didn't have any other option it's still THEIR announcement and THEIR rules.
He is just trolling.
Exactly that is my feeling. If the Global Event will be held AFTER BlizzCon, so any WCS points will be worthless, it would be even a bigger fail from Blizzard. So I still hope, they are aware of the risk of this complete failure and in this case, they might change the rules even for 2016 and remove the threshold for price money of 50k USD for any eventual organizer of such an open event.
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On June 01 2016 16:30 deacon.frost wrote:Is this trolling? Who announced these rules? Blizzard. Who is checking that these rules are fulfilled? Blizzard. Who is the biggest chief when it comes to WCS? Blizzard. So even if Blizzard didn't have any other option it's still THEIR announcement and THEIR rules.
Nvm can't be bothered getting into this.
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Yup, as expected, no global events, not enough tournaments in Korea (where are these Kespa cups, huh?). Blizzard is killing Korean scene which is very stupid in the long term because foreign scene is unreliable and undedicated, it will die withiout Blizzard's help.
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On June 01 2016 17:07 Ingvar wrote:
Yup, as expected, no global events, not enough tournaments in Korea (where are these Kespa cups, huh?). Blizzard is killing Korean scene which is very stupid in the long term because foreign scene is unreliable and undedicated, it will die withiout Blizzard's help.
This is the part that really doesn't make sense to me.
Why is Blizzard continuing to implement policies that harm the Korean scene when it's the only one that has anything resembling self reliance?
the foreign scene has been since 2012 on Blizzard's life support. It can't exist without its help. So why continue to try and prop it up at the cost of the Korean scene? It doesn't make sense. You're hurting your actual scene trying to force something to exist that doesn't really want to.
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Is there any Korean here can give us numbers on PL/GSL/SSL viewers? Is it doing well or decaying? Comparing to last year, PL seems to get 50% less viewers on twitch. Same for SSL.
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I stopped following sc many years ago now, but to me this sounds insane. It really sounds like she wants the tournaments to be scripted.
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On May 11 2016 09:31 RCCar wrote:
So they promise all these global events to make up for the lack of Korean contestants in the WCS scene.
This interview shows that there were never really any plans for a lot of WCS Global matches. "1 coming up but haven't announced."
For all I know they could have just started to plan it going "holy batshit these guys haven't forgot that we promised a global event!"
I am beginning to think that the 8 spots in Blizzcon are not welfare for foreigners, but rather for Koreans who just don't get enough chances to rack up WCS Points.....
I am completely fine with WCS being a circuit, but Dreamhack and IEM, please keep them Global;;;;;
They keep on going over Lilbow and Mana
Lilbow and Mana X
Lilbow and Mana both beating Koreans in the semis. O
Korean pros are like street cred... You gotta beat them to be recognized. I don't know if the foreign scene can improve from internal sparring but I really hope it does because beating Koreans are the only way their games are going to be recognized.
Foreign WCS winners are good, but in the overall ranking I feel it would be unfair to guys who actually got to Ro8 or Ro4 when there were Koreans in the scene. I bet if there weren't Koreans, they would have won for sure.
Am I saying WCS winner of 2016 S1 = WCS 2013 Ro8? Probably.
It's a joke and look at how many top Korean players have fled the scene to go to greener pastures or play BW again. Shows you how bad the state of the game is in Korea.
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I stopped following sc2 because lotv is not a good game.
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On June 05 2016 07:04 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2016 09:31 RCCar wrote:
So they promise all these global events to make up for the lack of Korean contestants in the WCS scene.
This interview shows that there were never really any plans for a lot of WCS Global matches. "1 coming up but haven't announced."
For all I know they could have just started to plan it going "holy batshit these guys haven't forgot that we promised a global event!"
I am beginning to think that the 8 spots in Blizzcon are not welfare for foreigners, but rather for Koreans who just don't get enough chances to rack up WCS Points.....
I am completely fine with WCS being a circuit, but Dreamhack and IEM, please keep them Global;;;;;
They keep on going over Lilbow and Mana
Lilbow and Mana X
Lilbow and Mana both beating Koreans in the semis. O
Korean pros are like street cred... You gotta beat them to be recognized. I don't know if the foreign scene can improve from internal sparring but I really hope it does because beating Koreans are the only way their games are going to be recognized.
Foreign WCS winners are good, but in the overall ranking I feel it would be unfair to guys who actually got to Ro8 or Ro4 when there were Koreans in the scene. I bet if there weren't Koreans, they would have won for sure.
Am I saying WCS winner of 2016 S1 = WCS 2013 Ro8? Probably. It's a joke and look at how many top Korean players have fled the scene to go to greener pastures or play BW again. Shows you how bad the state of the game is in Korea.
I agree that its sad to see so many pros leave for their halcyon BW scene, but I think the problem is that LotV has no new pros not that the old ones are leaving. If the scene were healthy, we would see an influx of new players to replace the old ones. I think Blizz might see the foreign scene as a way to get new players involved...or more people to buy the game... but there doesn't seem an incentive to new players to play ... both pro and beginner.
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