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If you are going to argue about racism in this thread, just don't. It is a pointless argument that merits no valuable discussion whatsoever. If people truly feel so strongly about it, then take it to PMs. Do not muck up this thread with racism arguments. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On March 09 2016 04:36 ilililililililiii wrote: iem got 60k btw. Proof that people want to watch foreigners play! IEM Katowice 2015 peaked at 156k. Proof people want to see Koreans play! And I know what's coming next from someone "The final got a host from LoL, it's not valid". I'm not using it as a point of debate really, just pointing out I can twist viewership numbers to support my argument too | ||
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ilililililililiii
United States93 Posts
you say it because you know its true. We'll know soon enough if this works or not. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On March 09 2016 05:32 ilililililililiii wrote: that was after cs go on the same channel right. Yea that doesn't count you say it because you know its true. We'll know soon enough if this works or not. See? Moving the goalposts. IEM Katowice this year did worse than last year every day and yet the goalposts move to "Oh it's not fair to compare the two because this year finished on Saturday" Compared to the thing it was replaced (WCS) we've had two tournaments and BOTH times this year has been blown out of the water, with IEM Katowice getting humilated compared to IEM Katowice last year But keep moving the goalposts and denying the truth, it only proves what I said all along, any one who supported this change is either racist or has racist tendencies. | ||
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ilililililililiii
United States93 Posts
Either way if you're right about everyday performance you're probably right. I just want to see starcraft grow. You lose respect with the whole racist tendencies thing though. I feel sad watching starcraft decline. I support blizzard trying different things to make it grow. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On March 09 2016 05:57 ilililililililiii wrote: There is nothing more that i want than seeing starcraft grow. For me right now absolutely nothing. You mentioned last year it had a higher number. The reality is thats not a higher number. Maybe it is idk but the facts of it being on the same channel( i dont think it was even hosted it was on the same channel) make it non statistically viable. If someone put a random channel in front me i tend to look at it. If cs go finals were after sc2 on the same channel id watch it. I never watch cs go. Either way if you're right about everyday performance you're probably right. I just want to see starcraft grow. You lose respect with the whole racist tendencies thing though. I feel sad watching starcraft decline. I support blizzard trying different things to make it grow. How is it racist? Let's call the whole world Korea so you can be happy. There are regions, then a global stage. | ||
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ilililililililiii
United States93 Posts
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Pseudorandom
United States120 Posts
On March 09 2016 06:12 ilililililililiii wrote: if you read what we said you'd know hes the one saying its racist shield. I'm saying he loses respect stooping so low as to say people are racist. What do you call it when a group of people are being hindered or hurt due to their race? I call it racism. | ||
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Eighty7Gaming
12 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 09 2016 06:20 Pseudorandom wrote: What do you call it when a group of people are being hindered or hurt due to their race? I call it racism. Omg this again. Koreans aren't region locked because they are koreans. It has nothing to do with their race. At least that's not what the region locking is about at all. (the implementation might be bad though, i can see that) Koreans are banned from these tournaments because they have an 'unfair' advantage due to their infrastructure. Stop calling blizzard racist, it makes you look dumb. Exactly the same would have happened if France would have the majority of best players in the world, or Brazil, or Spain. It's not racism. | ||
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Aron Times
United States312 Posts
The fundamental problem facing Starcraft 2 esports is that the game is too frustrating to play. It doesn't matter what bullshit region locks or player incentives or whatever you do to try and grow the scene if no one cares about the game. Now, obviously, some people care about the game, as evidenced by the continued existence of this forum, but the fact of the matter is that most people do not like Starcraft 2. Unless you can find a way to get mass appeal the way DotA and LoL have, it doesn't matter what fixes or changes you make to Starcraft 2 esports. This interview is pure PR bullshit; the answers seem like they're what Blizzard wants to be true, instead of an honest assessment of the state of Starcraft 2 esports. | ||
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Pseudorandom
United States120 Posts
On March 09 2016 06:30 The_Red_Viper wrote: Omg this again. Koreans aren't region locked because they are koreans. It has nothing to do with their race. At least that's not what the region locking is about at all. (the implementation might be bad though, i can see that) Koreans are banned from these tournaments because they have an 'unfair' advantage due to their infrastructure. Stop calling blizzard racist, it makes you look dumb. Exactly the same would have happened if France would have the majority of best players in the world, or Brazil, or Spain. It's not racism. Region-locking would be great, but the implementation only seems to kick Koreans OUT of other regions (mostly EU). Due to it, I believe most foreign tournaments are going to have lower quality games. I like watching Starcraft, playing not so much anymore. Watching IEM I enjoyed Snute vs Major, and the finals so I'll be on the lookout for foreign koreans, and Snute. The foreign tournaments aren't going to magically become more skillful now that all the best players got sent home. The good foreigners will still be good, and the koreans will still be the best. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On March 09 2016 05:32 ilililililililiii wrote: that was after cs go on the same channel right. Yea that doesn't count you say it because you know its true. We'll know soon enough if this works or not. The 3 WCS 2015 finals (notation: Region locked) had better viewer counts then this WCS 2016 Event. They mostly peaked at 75k. IEM Kato had also better viewers on Friday (did they play thursday last year?) then this IEM on Friday. While there was a CS:GO Tournament with over 1.000.000 Viewers going on the same time (and a LoL tournament) | ||
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Ensiferum8
Canada103 Posts
On March 09 2016 06:30 The_Red_Viper wrote: Omg this again. Koreans aren't region locked because they are koreans. It has nothing to do with their race. At least that's not what the region locking is about at all. (the implementation might be bad though, i can see that) Koreans are banned from these tournaments because they have an 'unfair' advantage due to their infrastructure. Stop calling blizzard racist, it makes you look dumb. Exactly the same would have happened if France would have the majority of best players in the world, or Brazil, or Spain. It's not racism. people supporting this racist rule by blizzard are the one who are looking dumb. The vast majority of foreigners dont have the determination and the will to put as much effort as the korean do. (see lilbow last blizzcon) This rule is simply racist, banning korean BECAUSE they are better. Like, wtf? the goal of a competitive game is not to be the best anymore? its, whos not korean? People who defend this are either racist, or they are soo desesperate for sc2 that they would try anything in the world, including accepting racist rules to make sc2 a top game again. But i prefer sc2 dying in dignity over banning all the people (koreans) that made this game alive and fun for so long just to see the game last a bit longer thanks to scrubreigner | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 09 2016 07:01 Ensiferum8 wrote: people supporting this racist rule by blizzard are the one who are looking dumb. The vast majority of foreigners dont have the determination and the will to put as much effort as the korean do. (see lilbow last blizzcon) This rule is simply racist, banning korean BECAUSE they are better. Like, wtf? the goal of a competitive game is not to be the best anymore? its, whos not korean? People who defend this are either racist, or they are soo desesperate for sc2 that they would try anything in the world, including accepting racist rules to make sc2 a top game again. But i prefer sc2 dying in dignity over banning all the people (koreans) that made this game alive and fun for so long just to see the game last a bit longer thanks to scrubreigner You have no idea what you are talking about. It's really as simple as that. Thanks for your intelligent input though  | ||
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ilililililililiii
United States93 Posts
Priority #1 growing the scene (you dont have to agree but this is the reality) Top current theory - more space/awareness/opportunity for foreigners (some of you dont agree but this is the theory) This is what i understand at least feel free to give me your opinion. WHAT is your opinion on how to grow the scene. | ||
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Ensiferum8
Canada103 Posts
On March 09 2016 07:38 The_Red_Viper wrote: lol, sick comeback, young boy. I guess we have a futur lawyer hereYou have no idea what you are talking about. It's really as simple as that. Thanks for your intelligent input though | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 09 2016 08:23 Ensiferum8 wrote: lol, sick comeback, young boy. I guess we have a futur lawyer here You simply have no idea what racism is. Maybe you are one of the sjw though, for them pretty much anything is racist/sexist7whatever, could be the case?! Blizzard's idea to region lock simply is not racist. Stop calling it that. You can disagree with the general idea to help the foreign scene that way, sure. You can disagree with the implementation of the region lock, fine. But calling Blizzard and "people who defend it" racist is mind-bogglingly dumb and i cannot even believe people would say stuff like that and actually mean it. I doubt this will lead to an interesting discussion though, so the chances are high that i won't respond to your likely answer. | ||
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weikor
Austria580 Posts
Both still exist, and this isnt influencing the in-korea koreans at all. | ||
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ilililililililiii
United States93 Posts
Maybe one day people can be confident with a goal career in starcraft, instead of it being a big risk. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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