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On March 07 2016 22:42 waiting2Bbanned wrote:
I've always found it funny how pretty much 9 out of every 10 posts of the new WCS apologists (that includes most of the foreign pro-gamers who cheered when they got the welfare system, like Nerchio) keep talking about the "Korean infrastructure", the "pro-team environment" that cannot be rivaled by the foreign players.
..aaaand then you have Polt, who hasn't been in a "Korean team environment" in many years, living in the US, having no teammates to speak of (unless you count his occasional practice-partner Violet, who is on a different team), while also being a ful-time student, come in and destroy all the whiny foreigners in the first WCS event of 2016.
I'm still glad there was still Snute to save face for the EU, would've been pretty embarrassing if not for him..
I wonder what the foreigner excuse would be now..?
P.S. Re: Kim Pham's interview, where is all this "new blood coming in" she's talking about??
DRGLing in KR and Reynor in EU are the only ones I know of, offsetting all the retirements LOL?
You're not stupid to the point of thinking that the foreign scene rebirth could magically happen before money is given out, by the sole fact of annoucing it, right?
Polt and Hydra were superior in 2015, they still are, no surprise there, it's up to the foreigner scene to get the chance to improve and it won't be done in one day. Teams need to be remade, audience to grow and sponsor to come back, for a start.
Take Polt as level benchmark that foreigners must surpass within a year (or two, cause, really, the guy is good...)
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Great interview! I like that you guys asked some fairly hard hitting questions. For the most part I like her answers too, although this one was a bit odd:
Kim Phan: We also love Proleague, we think it’s awesome. And we’ve thought about it. There need to be more teams outside of Korea however in order to build a league. So yeah, we did think about it. But the nature of StarCraft 2 being a 1on1 game and the infrastructure outside of Korea making it harder for teams to practice together is a bigger challenge. So the question is how to grow these things, so you can have enough teams on an even playing field.
That's really not the case. At least, if they did it online. Back in the day we saw time and again that online team leagues with an offline finals are a great way to do it: AcerTeamStory, IPL TAC, and I think there was another one I'm forgetting. Those were some of my favourite things to watch, especially IPL TAC, who can forget Team Taeja!?
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On March 07 2016 22:42 waiting2Bbanned wrote:
I've always found it funny how pretty much 9 out of every 10 posts of the new WCS apologists (that includes most of the foreign pro-gamers who cheered when they got the welfare system, like Nerchio) keep talking about the "Korean infrastructure", the "pro-team environment" that cannot be rivaled by the foreign players.
..aaaand then you have Polt, who hasn't been in a "Korean team environment" in many years, living in the US, having no teammates to speak of (unless you count his occasional practice-partner Violet, who is on a different team), while also being a ful-time student, come in and destroy all the whiny foreigners in the first WCS event of 2016.
I'm still glad there was still Snute to save face for the EU, would've been pretty embarrassing if not for him..
I wonder what the foreigner excuse would be now..?
P.S. Re: Kim Pham's interview, where is all this "new blood coming in" she's talking about??
DRGLing in KR and Reynor in EU are the only ones I know of, offsetting all the retirements LOL?
Sry but this is just dumb. Polt being an exception to the rule means very little to the overall concept.
There will be outliers, but that doesn't change the fact that typically the infrastructure is simply a lot better in korea and that fact alone is one of the reasons they produce(d?) top player after top player.
If you want the foreign scene to get on that level you first need to give them some form of motivation, not motivation for single players (they wanna be the very best, bla bla), but for the scene as a whole.
Region lock is pretty much the only solution to that problem.
I still don't like how they went on to achieve it, but as TB for example said, maybe the tournament organizers like ESL and Dreamhack simply wanted their tournaments region locked and Blizzard had no other realistic option.
Seems fairly likely i guess.
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i am pretty sure i heard (most) those answers before...
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On March 07 2016 23:56 alukarD wrote:
So many people criticizing her answers. True, they are not the most direct and explanatory answers, but damn somebody needs to be positive with all this negativity going on.
Well all this comes to the fact they messed Koreans and here are people who like them.
Had they announced there will be 3 Global events(1 for NA, 1 for EU, 1 for Korea(or whatever)) then there will be some ranting, but we would have at least SOMETHING. Now she announced 1 FUCKING GLOBAL TOURNAMENT. ONE. That would be at least something you could look forward.
But they removed Koreans from ALL the tournaments in our time zones(let's face it, GSL is not in the most friendly time ever for NA/EU time zones) and haven't announced the replacement. Now we have 1. To me it sounds "hey, be happy you have at least one, you could have had only Blizzcon". And we should be positive about it? Are you joking?
On March 08 2016 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 22:42 waiting2Bbanned wrote:
I've always found it funny how pretty much 9 out of every 10 posts of the new WCS apologists (that includes most of the foreign pro-gamers who cheered when they got the welfare system, like Nerchio) keep talking about the "Korean infrastructure", the "pro-team environment" that cannot be rivaled by the foreign players.
..aaaand then you have Polt, who hasn't been in a "Korean team environment" in many years, living in the US, having no teammates to speak of (unless you count his occasional practice-partner Violet, who is on a different team), while also being a ful-time student, come in and destroy all the whiny foreigners in the first WCS event of 2016.
I'm still glad there was still Snute to save face for the EU, would've been pretty embarrassing if not for him..
I wonder what the foreigner excuse would be now..?
P.S. Re: Kim Pham's interview, where is all this "new blood coming in" she's talking about??
DRGLing in KR and Reynor in EU are the only ones I know of, offsetting all the retirements LOL? Sry but this is just dumb. Polt being an exception to the rule means very little to the overall concept. There will be outliers, but that doesn't change the fact that typically the infrastructure is simply a lot better in korea and that fact alone is one of the reasons they produce(d?) top player after top player. If you want the foreign scene to get on that level you first need to give them some form of motivation, not motivation for single players (they wanna be the very best, bla bla), but for the scene as a whole. Region lock is pretty much the only solution to that problem. I still don't like how they went on to achieve it, but as TB for example said, maybe the tournament organizers like ESL and Dreamhack simply wanted their tournaments region locked and Blizzard had no other realistic option. Seems fairly likely i guess.
Don't forget that they canceled their region locked league. To me it looks that some organizations wanted to go out of the SC2 so they canceled league and moved the money to the tournaments so they don't end up with a league and 3 - 4 tournaments dominated by Koreans.
It's not a problem for tournaments to lock their tournaments, it is the organizer who gives the money and it's their rules in the end. For example Take invites most of the people of HSC because he likes them. He's the organizer, he has the responsibility for money from sponsors, his choice and nobody is going insane because of it 
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On March 07 2016 23:57 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 23:39 Clonester wrote:
I think it is not the fault of Kim Phan to only send out PR statements and "make Starcraft great again" slogans. Thats her job.
It is the interviewers fault to not ask harder questions or follow PR statements by specific questions to stop her from PR-bullshiting. The interviewer tried it, but failed hard to get her out of her pink PR speak. Yeah but what else can the interviewer do? He/she can't insist too much with the questions without sounding aggressive... Also keep in mind Kim Phan is not amateur PR, if she wants to evade she will get it her way no doubt.
Then just abbord the interview. The interviewer is there to give his readers informations they cant obtain otherwise, not standard PR bullshit. If Kim P cant delivere that, there is no point to continue such an interview. Better be aggressive or assholian then this.
And not to mention: Rulebook? King Kong? Masa? Viewernumbers.
Yes, she is professional in dodging questions and "generating that positive attitute towards the game we want to see". But it is still the interviewers task to stop her from PRing and hitting her with hard questions. When she talked about the "fresh blood", why not just plain ask her, how much of fresh blood DRG Ling and Ladyrind are to solve the issue.
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I appreciate the article and all but I think I can sum this interview up in three words
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Bullshit
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On March 08 2016 00:09 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 23:56 alukarD wrote:
So many people criticizing her answers. True, they are not the most direct and explanatory answers, but damn somebody needs to be positive with all this negativity going on. Well all this comes to the fact they messed Koreans and here are people who like them. Had they announced there will be 3 Global events(1 for NA, 1 for EU, 1 for Korea(or whatever)) then there will be some ranting, but we would have at least SOMETHING. Now she announced 1 FUCKING GLOBAL TOURNAMENT. ONE. That would be at least something you could look forward. But they removed Koreans from ALL the tournaments in our time zones(let's face it, GSL is not in the most friendly time ever for NA/EU time zones) and haven't announced the replacement. Now we have 1. To me it sounds "hey, be happy you have at least one, you could have had only Blizzcon". And we should be positive about it? Are you joking? Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 07 2016 22:42 waiting2Bbanned wrote:
I've always found it funny how pretty much 9 out of every 10 posts of the new WCS apologists (that includes most of the foreign pro-gamers who cheered when they got the welfare system, like Nerchio) keep talking about the "Korean infrastructure", the "pro-team environment" that cannot be rivaled by the foreign players.
..aaaand then you have Polt, who hasn't been in a "Korean team environment" in many years, living in the US, having no teammates to speak of (unless you count his occasional practice-partner Violet, who is on a different team), while also being a ful-time student, come in and destroy all the whiny foreigners in the first WCS event of 2016.
I'm still glad there was still Snute to save face for the EU, would've been pretty embarrassing if not for him..
I wonder what the foreigner excuse would be now..?
P.S. Re: Kim Pham's interview, where is all this "new blood coming in" she's talking about??
DRGLing in KR and Reynor in EU are the only ones I know of, offsetting all the retirements LOL? Sry but this is just dumb. Polt being an exception to the rule means very little to the overall concept. There will be outliers, but that doesn't change the fact that typically the infrastructure is simply a lot better in korea and that fact alone is one of the reasons they produce(d?) top player after top player. If you want the foreign scene to get on that level you first need to give them some form of motivation, not motivation for single players (they wanna be the very best, bla bla), but for the scene as a whole. Region lock is pretty much the only solution to that problem. I still don't like how they went on to achieve it, but as TB for example said, maybe the tournament organizers like ESL and Dreamhack simply wanted their tournaments region locked and Blizzard had no other realistic option. Seems fairly likely i guess. Don't forget that they canceled their region locked league. To me it looks that some organizations wanted to go out of the SC2 so they canceled league and moved the money to the tournaments so they don't end up with a league and 3 - 4 tournaments dominated by Koreans. It's not a problem for tournaments to lock their tournaments, it is the organizer who gives the money and it's their rules in the end. For example Take invites most of the people of HSC because he likes them. He's the organizer, he has the responsibility for money from sponsors, his choice and nobody is going insane because of it
For you, and everybody who feels all these changes unbearable why not step away and find something else to follow? Seriously. You are not happy. You are not helping others being happy. This is a new era for Starcrat, and nobody is forced to go along with it. Cheers.
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On March 08 2016 00:10 showstealer1829 wrote:
I appreciate the article and all but I think I can sum this interview up in three words
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Relations
Bullshit
I keep seeing this comment, I'm curious what you and others expected her to say? 
She even mentions a global event being planned and that is also upsetting people because.. it would be better to announce more global tournaments...? I thought the interview was decent.
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On March 08 2016 00:17 alukarD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 00:09 deacon.frost wrote:On March 07 2016 23:56 alukarD wrote:
So many people criticizing her answers. True, they are not the most direct and explanatory answers, but damn somebody needs to be positive with all this negativity going on. Well all this comes to the fact they messed Koreans and here are people who like them. Had they announced there will be 3 Global events(1 for NA, 1 for EU, 1 for Korea(or whatever)) then there will be some ranting, but we would have at least SOMETHING. Now she announced 1 FUCKING GLOBAL TOURNAMENT. ONE. That would be at least something you could look forward. But they removed Koreans from ALL the tournaments in our time zones(let's face it, GSL is not in the most friendly time ever for NA/EU time zones) and haven't announced the replacement. Now we have 1. To me it sounds "hey, be happy you have at least one, you could have had only Blizzcon". And we should be positive about it? Are you joking? On March 08 2016 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 07 2016 22:42 waiting2Bbanned wrote:
I've always found it funny how pretty much 9 out of every 10 posts of the new WCS apologists (that includes most of the foreign pro-gamers who cheered when they got the welfare system, like Nerchio) keep talking about the "Korean infrastructure", the "pro-team environment" that cannot be rivaled by the foreign players.
..aaaand then you have Polt, who hasn't been in a "Korean team environment" in many years, living in the US, having no teammates to speak of (unless you count his occasional practice-partner Violet, who is on a different team), while also being a ful-time student, come in and destroy all the whiny foreigners in the first WCS event of 2016.
I'm still glad there was still Snute to save face for the EU, would've been pretty embarrassing if not for him..
I wonder what the foreigner excuse would be now..?
P.S. Re: Kim Pham's interview, where is all this "new blood coming in" she's talking about??
DRGLing in KR and Reynor in EU are the only ones I know of, offsetting all the retirements LOL? Sry but this is just dumb. Polt being an exception to the rule means very little to the overall concept. There will be outliers, but that doesn't change the fact that typically the infrastructure is simply a lot better in korea and that fact alone is one of the reasons they produce(d?) top player after top player. If you want the foreign scene to get on that level you first need to give them some form of motivation, not motivation for single players (they wanna be the very best, bla bla), but for the scene as a whole. Region lock is pretty much the only solution to that problem. I still don't like how they went on to achieve it, but as TB for example said, maybe the tournament organizers like ESL and Dreamhack simply wanted their tournaments region locked and Blizzard had no other realistic option. Seems fairly likely i guess. Don't forget that they canceled their region locked league. To me it looks that some organizations wanted to go out of the SC2 so they canceled league and moved the money to the tournaments so they don't end up with a league and 3 - 4 tournaments dominated by Koreans. It's not a problem for tournaments to lock their tournaments, it is the organizer who gives the money and it's their rules in the end. For example Take invites most of the people of HSC because he likes them. He's the organizer, he has the responsibility for money from sponsors, his choice and nobody is going insane because of it For you, and everybody who feels all these changes unbearable why not step away and find something else to follow? Seriously. You are not happy. You are not helping others being happy. This is a new era for Starcrat, and nobody is forced to go along with it. Cheers.
... DAFUQ? I am talking about Korean SC2 followers. Do you get it? Are you trolling?
I start again slower.
There are people who love the top SC2. The top SC2 is in Korea. The fun is to watch it live and enjoy it with other people(e.g. LR threads).
We could watch these top players in EU friendly times, we can see them live!
Now we have only Korean stuff, some of us can watch only after the work and thus cannot take in the social aspect of this.
And your recommendation is to follow SOMETHING ELSE? Hell no! I love watching SC2 and I want to watch MY favorite players and not risking my work at the same time. But hey, Blizzard took this away from me. They could have taken something but no, they took EVERYTHING. EVERY TOURNAMENT OUT THERE.
And then you come here and write this - hey, follow something else. Cool. Great bait.
Edit:
Though I have to admit that I am not watching any welfare tournament. I watched only the Polt games and not all of them. So I am actually not following it in a some kind of a weird sense
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On March 08 2016 00:17 alukarD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 00:09 deacon.frost wrote:On March 07 2016 23:56 alukarD wrote:
So many people criticizing her answers. True, they are not the most direct and explanatory answers, but damn somebody needs to be positive with all this negativity going on. Well all this comes to the fact they messed Koreans and here are people who like them. Had they announced there will be 3 Global events(1 for NA, 1 for EU, 1 for Korea(or whatever)) then there will be some ranting, but we would have at least SOMETHING. Now she announced 1 FUCKING GLOBAL TOURNAMENT. ONE. That would be at least something you could look forward. But they removed Koreans from ALL the tournaments in our time zones(let's face it, GSL is not in the most friendly time ever for NA/EU time zones) and haven't announced the replacement. Now we have 1. To me it sounds "hey, be happy you have at least one, you could have had only Blizzcon". And we should be positive about it? Are you joking? On March 08 2016 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 07 2016 22:42 waiting2Bbanned wrote:
I've always found it funny how pretty much 9 out of every 10 posts of the new WCS apologists (that includes most of the foreign pro-gamers who cheered when they got the welfare system, like Nerchio) keep talking about the "Korean infrastructure", the "pro-team environment" that cannot be rivaled by the foreign players.
..aaaand then you have Polt, who hasn't been in a "Korean team environment" in many years, living in the US, having no teammates to speak of (unless you count his occasional practice-partner Violet, who is on a different team), while also being a ful-time student, come in and destroy all the whiny foreigners in the first WCS event of 2016.
I'm still glad there was still Snute to save face for the EU, would've been pretty embarrassing if not for him..
I wonder what the foreigner excuse would be now..?
P.S. Re: Kim Pham's interview, where is all this "new blood coming in" she's talking about??
DRGLing in KR and Reynor in EU are the only ones I know of, offsetting all the retirements LOL? Sry but this is just dumb. Polt being an exception to the rule means very little to the overall concept. There will be outliers, but that doesn't change the fact that typically the infrastructure is simply a lot better in korea and that fact alone is one of the reasons they produce(d?) top player after top player. If you want the foreign scene to get on that level you first need to give them some form of motivation, not motivation for single players (they wanna be the very best, bla bla), but for the scene as a whole. Region lock is pretty much the only solution to that problem. I still don't like how they went on to achieve it, but as TB for example said, maybe the tournament organizers like ESL and Dreamhack simply wanted their tournaments region locked and Blizzard had no other realistic option. Seems fairly likely i guess. Don't forget that they canceled their region locked league. To me it looks that some organizations wanted to go out of the SC2 so they canceled league and moved the money to the tournaments so they don't end up with a league and 3 - 4 tournaments dominated by Koreans. It's not a problem for tournaments to lock their tournaments, it is the organizer who gives the money and it's their rules in the end. For example Take invites most of the people of HSC because he likes them. He's the organizer, he has the responsibility for money from sponsors, his choice and nobody is going insane because of it For you, and everybody who feels all these changes unbearable why not step away and find something else to follow? Seriously. You are not happy. You are not helping others being happy. This is a new era for Starcrat, and nobody is forced to go along with it. Cheers.
Dont worry, the CS:GO Tournament on IEM Katowice was stellar fantastic to watch with the very best teams of the world who delivered extremly tense games, some maps already seen as close to the best ones in the world.
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To address the comments about Blizzard abandoning Korea and not caring about Korean players. We are still greatly supporting Korea and continue to invest significantly in GSL, SSL, and Proleague. They still exist today because of Blizzard's involvement and can still be enjoyed and appreciated by everyone.
The changes to WCS was to create a second system that can help support the rest of the regions and all of the players that don't have the same infrastructure as Korea. What is best for StarCraft does not mean what is only best for Korean players or only foreign players. It's trying to balance both.
The intention is not to have only one global event in the year but potentially others. We are still working on this with other partners.
Regarding the WCS 2012 system, it was changed because of the feedback from the community. Not only was it hard to follow, but people were not interested in watching it. The community as a whole was not watching or following all of the regional events. The interest was not there until the global finals.
The same happened with WCS as more and more Korean players who were not well-known entered the system. People were not interested in watching Korean players who had it easier or weren't the very best of the best (because the very best were competing in GSL/SSL). Foreign players also lost interest in competing and participation was dropping.
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On March 08 2016 00:27 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 00:17 alukarD wrote:On March 08 2016 00:09 deacon.frost wrote:On March 07 2016 23:56 alukarD wrote:
So many people criticizing her answers. True, they are not the most direct and explanatory answers, but damn somebody needs to be positive with all this negativity going on. Well all this comes to the fact they messed Koreans and here are people who like them. Had they announced there will be 3 Global events(1 for NA, 1 for EU, 1 for Korea(or whatever)) then there will be some ranting, but we would have at least SOMETHING. Now she announced 1 FUCKING GLOBAL TOURNAMENT. ONE. That would be at least something you could look forward. But they removed Koreans from ALL the tournaments in our time zones(let's face it, GSL is not in the most friendly time ever for NA/EU time zones) and haven't announced the replacement. Now we have 1. To me it sounds "hey, be happy you have at least one, you could have had only Blizzcon". And we should be positive about it? Are you joking? On March 08 2016 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 07 2016 22:42 waiting2Bbanned wrote:
I've always found it funny how pretty much 9 out of every 10 posts of the new WCS apologists (that includes most of the foreign pro-gamers who cheered when they got the welfare system, like Nerchio) keep talking about the "Korean infrastructure", the "pro-team environment" that cannot be rivaled by the foreign players.
..aaaand then you have Polt, who hasn't been in a "Korean team environment" in many years, living in the US, having no teammates to speak of (unless you count his occasional practice-partner Violet, who is on a different team), while also being a ful-time student, come in and destroy all the whiny foreigners in the first WCS event of 2016.
I'm still glad there was still Snute to save face for the EU, would've been pretty embarrassing if not for him..
I wonder what the foreigner excuse would be now..?
P.S. Re: Kim Pham's interview, where is all this "new blood coming in" she's talking about??
DRGLing in KR and Reynor in EU are the only ones I know of, offsetting all the retirements LOL? Sry but this is just dumb. Polt being an exception to the rule means very little to the overall concept. There will be outliers, but that doesn't change the fact that typically the infrastructure is simply a lot better in korea and that fact alone is one of the reasons they produce(d?) top player after top player. If you want the foreign scene to get on that level you first need to give them some form of motivation, not motivation for single players (they wanna be the very best, bla bla), but for the scene as a whole. Region lock is pretty much the only solution to that problem. I still don't like how they went on to achieve it, but as TB for example said, maybe the tournament organizers like ESL and Dreamhack simply wanted their tournaments region locked and Blizzard had no other realistic option. Seems fairly likely i guess. Don't forget that they canceled their region locked league. To me it looks that some organizations wanted to go out of the SC2 so they canceled league and moved the money to the tournaments so they don't end up with a league and 3 - 4 tournaments dominated by Koreans. It's not a problem for tournaments to lock their tournaments, it is the organizer who gives the money and it's their rules in the end. For example Take invites most of the people of HSC because he likes them. He's the organizer, he has the responsibility for money from sponsors, his choice and nobody is going insane because of it For you, and everybody who feels all these changes unbearable why not step away and find something else to follow? Seriously. You are not happy. You are not helping others being happy. This is a new era for Starcrat, and nobody is forced to go along with it. Cheers. Dont worry, the CS:GO Tournament on IEM Katowice was stellar fantastic to watch with the very best teams of the world who delivered extremly tense games, some maps already seen as close to the best ones in the world.
And in the end Fnatic wins, it starts to become boring tbh :D (Fnatic being disliked doesn't help either)
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Awesome interview.
I feel like I'm the only one who really doesn't mind about what I think is the biggest reason why WCS welfare is being so criticized is because of the ammount of competitions in Korea does not make up for them downsizing their access to international tournaments.
Right NOW its wonderful with the 5 days of Starcraft a week, but there's there's the impending issue there's going to be huge spaces of time where we're only going to have Proleague because of between seasons breaks. Not to mention the problem where a favorite gets bad groups/gets bodied out of the 2 leagues in the Ro32 and has to sit out of tournaments for six months.
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On March 08 2016 00:18 Ctone23 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 00:10 showstealer1829 wrote:
I appreciate the article and all but I think I can sum this interview up in three words
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Relations
Bullshit I keep seeing this comment, I'm curious what you and others expected her to say? She even mentions a global event being planned and that is also upsetting people because.. it would be better to announce more global tournaments...? I thought the interview was decent.
Anything that said "We're listening"?
Anything new?
Anything other than public relations bullshit?
I realize the title wouldn't fit but the title of this posts really should be
Kim Phan: "We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for StarCraft.......Unless you live in Korea......In which case fuck you"
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On March 08 2016 00:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 00:27 Clonester wrote:On March 08 2016 00:17 alukarD wrote:On March 08 2016 00:09 deacon.frost wrote:On March 07 2016 23:56 alukarD wrote:
So many people criticizing her answers. True, they are not the most direct and explanatory answers, but damn somebody needs to be positive with all this negativity going on. Well all this comes to the fact they messed Koreans and here are people who like them. Had they announced there will be 3 Global events(1 for NA, 1 for EU, 1 for Korea(or whatever)) then there will be some ranting, but we would have at least SOMETHING. Now she announced 1 FUCKING GLOBAL TOURNAMENT. ONE. That would be at least something you could look forward. But they removed Koreans from ALL the tournaments in our time zones(let's face it, GSL is not in the most friendly time ever for NA/EU time zones) and haven't announced the replacement. Now we have 1. To me it sounds "hey, be happy you have at least one, you could have had only Blizzcon". And we should be positive about it? Are you joking? On March 08 2016 00:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 07 2016 22:42 waiting2Bbanned wrote:
I've always found it funny how pretty much 9 out of every 10 posts of the new WCS apologists (that includes most of the foreign pro-gamers who cheered when they got the welfare system, like Nerchio) keep talking about the "Korean infrastructure", the "pro-team environment" that cannot be rivaled by the foreign players.
..aaaand then you have Polt, who hasn't been in a "Korean team environment" in many years, living in the US, having no teammates to speak of (unless you count his occasional practice-partner Violet, who is on a different team), while also being a ful-time student, come in and destroy all the whiny foreigners in the first WCS event of 2016.
I'm still glad there was still Snute to save face for the EU, would've been pretty embarrassing if not for him..
I wonder what the foreigner excuse would be now..?
P.S. Re: Kim Pham's interview, where is all this "new blood coming in" she's talking about??
DRGLing in KR and Reynor in EU are the only ones I know of, offsetting all the retirements LOL? Sry but this is just dumb. Polt being an exception to the rule means very little to the overall concept. There will be outliers, but that doesn't change the fact that typically the infrastructure is simply a lot better in korea and that fact alone is one of the reasons they produce(d?) top player after top player. If you want the foreign scene to get on that level you first need to give them some form of motivation, not motivation for single players (they wanna be the very best, bla bla), but for the scene as a whole. Region lock is pretty much the only solution to that problem. I still don't like how they went on to achieve it, but as TB for example said, maybe the tournament organizers like ESL and Dreamhack simply wanted their tournaments region locked and Blizzard had no other realistic option. Seems fairly likely i guess. Don't forget that they canceled their region locked league. To me it looks that some organizations wanted to go out of the SC2 so they canceled league and moved the money to the tournaments so they don't end up with a league and 3 - 4 tournaments dominated by Koreans. It's not a problem for tournaments to lock their tournaments, it is the organizer who gives the money and it's their rules in the end. For example Take invites most of the people of HSC because he likes them. He's the organizer, he has the responsibility for money from sponsors, his choice and nobody is going insane because of it For you, and everybody who feels all these changes unbearable why not step away and find something else to follow? Seriously. You are not happy. You are not helping others being happy. This is a new era for Starcrat, and nobody is forced to go along with it. Cheers. Dont worry, the CS:GO Tournament on IEM Katowice was stellar fantastic to watch with the very best teams of the world who delivered extremly tense games, some maps already seen as close to the best ones in the world. And in the end Fnatic wins, it starts to become boring tbh :D (Fnatic being disliked doesn't help either)
I dont think so. Fnatic the monolith you have to take down, the gate keeper to heaven. I dont want to ban Fnatic, call it Major Circuit Events and see who is best after Fnatic. Map 1 and Map 3 between Fnatic and LG was extremly tense and good. Major gonna be guuud (even when Fnatic, the Evil of all Evil wins)
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On March 08 2016 00:34 kimaphan wrote:
To address the comments about Blizzard abandoning Korea and not caring about Korean players. We are still greatly supporting Korea and continue to invest significantly in GSL, SSL, and Proleague. They still exist today because of Blizzard's involvement and can still be enjoyed and appreciated by everyone.
The changes to WCS was to create a second system that can help support the rest of the regions and all of the players that don't have the same infrastructure as Korea. What is best for StarCraft does not mean what is only best for Korean players or only foreign players. It's trying to balance both.
The intention is not to have only one global event in the year but potentially others. We are still working on this with other partners.
Regarding the WCS 2012 system, it was changed because of the feedback from the community. Not only was it hard to follow, but people were not interested in watching it. The community as a whole was not watching or following all of the regional events. The interest was not there until the global finals.
The same happened with WCS as more and more Korean players who were not well-known entered the system. People were not interested in watching Korean players who had it easier or weren't the very best of the best (because the very best were competing in GSL/SSL). Foreign players also lost interest in competing and participation was dropping.
Good answer, thanks for that! I assume most tournament organizers aren't interested in the global events because it's harder for them to actually produce one (requirements).
I will be honest, i am a big 'korean sc2 elitist', that doesn't mean that i cannot see that some form of region locking was necessary though!
But one thing i cannot understand, why only 2 seasons of GSL/SSL? The money surely could have been spread out over 6 tournaments instead of 4. It's such a shame that korean players who fail to qualify for GSL/SSL season one have to basically wait half a year and only have proleague (if they actually are part of kespa)
This is basically my biggest complaint about the korean changes for wcs 2016 tbh, i hope you guys at blizzard will discuss this and maybe change it for next year (assuming there will be a next year, which we all hope for )
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On March 08 2016 00:37 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 00:18 Ctone23 wrote:On March 08 2016 00:10 showstealer1829 wrote:
I appreciate the article and all but I think I can sum this interview up in three words
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Bullshit I keep seeing this comment, I'm curious what you and others expected her to say? She even mentions a global event being planned and that is also upsetting people because.. it would be better to announce more global tournaments...? I thought the interview was decent. Anything that said "We're listening"? Anything new? Anything other than public relations bullshit? I realize the title wouldn't fit but the title of this posts really should be Kim Phan: "We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for StarCraft.......Unless you live in Korea......In which case fuck you"
Come on you can get more specific than that. Throwing out curse words doesn't help either.
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On March 08 2016 00:34 kimaphan wrote:
To address the comments about Blizzard abandoning Korea and not caring about Korean players. We are still greatly supporting Korea and continue to invest significantly in GSL, SSL, and Proleague. They still exist today because of Blizzard's involvement and can still be enjoyed and appreciated by everyone.
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On March 08 2016 00:41 The_Red_Viper wrote:
But one thing i cannot understand, why only 2 seasons of GSL/SSL?
I bet it was what the Korean broadcasters wanted. Less SC2 time to allow more LoL/Kart Rider/etc. content (aka more profitable content).
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On March 08 2016 00:41 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2016 00:34 kimaphan wrote:
To address the comments about Blizzard abandoning Korea and not caring about Korean players. We are still greatly supporting Korea and continue to invest significantly in GSL, SSL, and Proleague. They still exist today because of Blizzard's involvement and can still be enjoyed and appreciated by everyone.
The changes to WCS was to create a second system that can help support the rest of the regions and all of the players that don't have the same infrastructure as Korea. What is best for StarCraft does not mean what is only best for Korean players or only foreign players. It's trying to balance both.
The intention is not to have only one global event in the year but potentially others. We are still working on this with other partners.
Regarding the WCS 2012 system, it was changed because of the feedback from the community. Not only was it hard to follow, but people were not interested in watching it. The community as a whole was not watching or following all of the regional events. The interest was not there until the global finals.
The same happened with WCS as more and more Korean players who were not well-known entered the system. People were not interested in watching Korean players who had it easier or weren't the very best of the best (because the very best were competing in GSL/SSL). Foreign players also lost interest in competing and participation was dropping.
Good answer, thanks for that! I assume most tournament organizers aren't interested in the global events because it's harder for them to actually produce one (requirements). I will be honest, i am a big 'korean sc2 elitist', that doesn't mean that i cannot see that some form of region locking was necessary though! But one thing i cannot understand, why only 2 seasons of GSL/SSL? The money surely could have been spread out over 6 tournaments instead of 4. It's such a shame that korean players who fail to qualify for GSL/SSL season one have to basically wait half a year and only have proleague (if they actually are part of kespa) This is basically my biggest complaint about the korean changes for wcs 2016 tbh, i hope you guys at blizzard will discuss this and maybe change it for next year (assuming there will be a next year, which we all hope for )
I share the same feelings. If we could squeeze in 2 more Korea tournaments (in my dreams, having 2 OSLs would just be the best thing on the planet) then I think we'd have a perfect system.
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