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Dingodile
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todespolka
221 Posts
On March 07 2016 17:36 FrkFrJss wrote: I agree and disagree. I think that unless all the foreigners moved to Korea and trained in team houses, they probably wouldn't be as good as Koreans. That being said, there a number if examples of both Koreans and foreigners living at home and beating top Koreans without that Korean environment. Besides, look at 2013/2014, I mean, we really didn't see that many foreigners going toe to toe with Koreans. I think Blizzard is correct in trying this for a year and then assessing where the competitive scene is at after Blizzcon. If i am not mistaken, there was not a single foreign win in a premier (maybe not even in a major) and usually top16 was just korean vs korean. Thats not a sustainable environment. Proplayers today want safety, want a chance to earn money. I mean would you sacrifice school if you have no chance to win money, even if you are the most talented player outside of korea? | ||
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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
On March 07 2016 18:13 Diabolique wrote: What would you say are the biggest positive and the biggest negative points about the new WCS system? "- Blaaa blaaa blaaa, everything is great, it is an opportunity, it is exciting, blaaa blaaa blaaaa." A bullshit PR talk without a single reasonable answer. Actually no. There is one good and interesting answer - they are preparing 1 (ONE) global event. Well, everybody expected that there will be at least the ONE event. Unfortunately, it seems, there will be really only ONE event. "you can’t stop players from retiring" She is a really, really nice lady. And I really, really don't like her. Yep, Pure PR BS. My favorite part is where she mentions that going to 2012 system would be too "drastic" (but region lock is not :D). | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On March 07 2016 21:18 iloveav wrote: Yep, Pure PR BS. My favorite part is where she mentions that going to 2012 system would be too "drastic" (but region lock is not :D). You might want to check liquipedia to see what 2012 system was and what it resulted in, my friend... | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
On March 07 2016 21:10 todespolka wrote: If i am not mistaken, there was not a single foreign win in a premier (maybe not even in a major) and usually top16 was just korean vs korean. Thats not a sustainable environment. Proplayers today want safety, want a chance to earn money. I mean would you sacrifice school if you have no chance to win money, even if you are the most talented player outside of korea? We always come back to the same points that progaming environment in Korea is better, so progamers are more likely to become better and better. It's just a circle : If you stay in school/keep your other job you cannot get better than someone doing it full-time (couple exceptions aside, for sure!), but how can you know you can be better even if you drop your week activities? It is quite hard to break this cycle, but they are trying ways to help making it more viable. Time will tell I guess. We also need to keep showing support for the players/team/events we love in this game, of course! The main difficulty right now between KR and not-KR is the meta, they are really not playing the same way, especially when it comes to positioning and control, so I am not so sure that Koreans would prevails if they are not careful. | ||
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Oasx
Denmark72 Posts
On March 07 2016 20:40 usopsama wrote: I know, right? Foreigners were not skilled enough to "make it far into a big tournament" because players from South Korea were knocking them out left and right, so let's dumb down the competition by implementing a region-lock and keep the best of the best players away. That way, foreigners can "make it far into a big tournament" and secure spots that they otherwise would not deserve. That is basically the logic that you are agreeing to. You are not addressing any of the issues i mentioned. The fact is that things weren't working out with the old system, what is the point in continuing a tournament model that you know isn't working? It is not like i like the idea of Korean players having to retire, but Blizzard is already funding the scene with quite a lot of money, we cannot reasonably expect to to spend even more. I don't know if the new WCS model will help the game, but at least they are trying something. Also now is the time for the Korean fans to step up. We have foreign tournament makers put up their own money to provide tournaments, where is the Korean HomeStory Cup? Where is the Korean BasetradeTV? Why is it that the country with the best Starcraft players in the world doesn't have anything similar? | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17001 Posts
"We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for StarCraft." the ultimate in passive-voice, oblique statements. can it get any worse? "We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for StarCraft." sounds like a left-wing, grassroots labour/democratic party talking about the economy. "we are trying to make sure we are doing what's best for the economy by funding government projects" "We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for StarCraft." sounds like the lazy husband/wife whose relationship is spinning out of control saying... "i was hoping to try my best to make my marriage hopefully work if that is possible" the road to hell is paved with good intentions. the haters have clearly pounded Ms. Phan into defense-mode during interviews and that's sad. i prefer teh fuck-you atttitudes of guys like Pardo and Browder. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 07 2016 21:10 todespolka wrote: If i am not mistaken, there was not a single foreign win in a premier (maybe not even in a major) and usually top16 was just korean vs korean. Thats not a sustainable environment. Proplayers today want safety, want a chance to earn money. I mean would you sacrifice school if you have no chance to win money, even if you are the most talented player outside of korea? That's what WCS LEAGUE was for. They canceled it and used established tournaments. This means to me a step down. That's like canceling GSL and pretending Korea will be better without it... WCS DISAPPEARED, I am wondering that many people are ignoring this... On March 07 2016 21:26 Oasx wrote: You are not addressing any of the issues i mentioned. The fact is that things weren't working out with the old system, what is the point in continuing a tournament model that you know isn't working? It is not like i like the idea of Korean players having to retire, but Blizzard is already funding the scene with quite a lot of money, we cannot reasonably expect to to spend even more. I don't know if the new WCS model will help the game, but at least they are trying something. Also now is the time for the Korean fans to step up. We have foreign tournament makers put up their own money to provide tournaments, where is the Korean HomeStory Cup? Where is the Korean BasetradeTV? Why is it that the country with the best Starcraft players in the world doesn't have anything similar? Uhh, how about Olimoleague? Also Korea is producing 5 days of top quality SC2 content(2 days of PL, 2 days of GSL, 1 day of S2SL). There's no room for some amateur to step in, it's not profitable. That's what many tournaments were saying during 2013. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On March 07 2016 21:52 deacon.frost wrote: That's what WCS LEAGUE was for. They canceled it and used established tournaments. This means to me a step down. That's like canceling GSL and pretending Korea will be better without it... WCS DISAPPEARED, I am wondering that many people are ignoring this... Uhh, how about Olimoleague? Also Korea is producing 5 days of top quality SC2 content(2 days of PL, 2 days of GSL, 1 day of S2SL). There's no room for some amateur to step in, it's not profitable. That's what many tournaments were saying during 2013. This is exactly the biggest problem - they "stole" the international tournaments for the welfare system. Nobody has anything against some special tournaments for foreigners only. Even the 8 foreigners at BlizzCon bring it a bit closer to some kind of "Olympic games", where each nation has some players, like Jamaica the ice skating team. But stealing all IEMs, DHs and probably also Red Bulls and MSI's, that is a real sinn. Thanks god, we have the 5 days of best Starcraft2 through Proleague, GSL and SSL. But for how long? When GSL and SSL are not in the large stages, there will be again just the Proleague. At least, thanks for that. | ||
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waiting2Bbanned
United States154 Posts
..aaaand then you have Polt, who hasn't been in a "Korean team environment" in many years, living in the US, having no teammates to speak of (unless you count his occasional practice-partner Violet, who is on a different team), while also being a ful-time student, come in and destroy all the whiny foreigners in the first WCS event of 2016. I'm still glad there was still Snute to save face for the EU, would've been pretty embarrassing if not for him.. I wonder what the foreigner excuse would be now..? P.S. Re: Kim Pham's interview, where is all this "new blood coming in" she's talking about?? DRGLing in KR and Reynor in EU are the only ones I know of, offsetting all the retirements LOL? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17001 Posts
On March 07 2016 22:42 waiting2Bbanned wrote: I've always found it funny how pretty much 9 out of every 10 posts of the new WCS apologists (that includes most of the foreign pro-gamers who cheered when they got the welfare system, like Nerchio) keep talking about the "Korean infrastructure", the "pro-team environment" that cannot be rivaled by the foreign players. ..aaaand then you have Polt, who hasn't been in a "Korean team environment" in many years, living in the US, having no teammates to speak of (unless you count his occasional practice-partner Violet, who is on a different team), while also being a ful-time student, come in and destroy all the whiny foreigners in the first WCS event of 2016. I wonder what the foreigner excuse would be now..? i find it funny how grrr created the blue print for a foriegner to succeed in Starcraft. And no one is following it. its the same blue print any non-North American follows when they want to succeed in Hockey's highest levels and Basketball's highest levels. david krejci and giulliame patry please stand up and take a bow. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 07 2016 22:42 waiting2Bbanned wrote: I've always found it funny how pretty much 9 out of every 10 posts of the new WCS apologists (that includes most of the foreign pro-gamers who cheered when they got the welfare system, like Nerchio) keep talking about the "Korean infrastructure", the "pro-team environment" that cannot be rivaled by the foreign players. ..aaaand then you have Polt, who hasn't been in a "Korean team environment" in many years, living in the US, having no teammates to speak of (unless you count his occasional practice-partner Violet, who is on a different team), while also being a ful-time student, come in and destroy all the whiny foreigners in the first WCS event of 2016. I wonder what the foreigner excuse would be now..? P.S. Re: Kim Pham's interview, where is all this "new blood coming in" she's talking about?? DRGLing in KR and Reynor in EU are the only ones I know of, offsetting all the retirements LOL? Polt doesn't sleep. Also he's the Prime Terran, they had good Terran Academy  Maru, MKP, Polt, YoDa, ByuN and others  | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
If he wins all 3 seasons easily okay, but so far he has only won one and it wasn't a stomp. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Translated: "We are doing the best for Polt and Hydra." Cpt. America forever! | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
I ofc knew it would be like this, but it still pisses me off that Blizzard speaks of the Starcraft scene centering everything around foreigners. They always talk about what was is good for foreigners, what decisions can solve the foreigner scene problems, what didn't work in the past for foreigners, viewership for foreign events, etc.... I know this will sound like an obvious joke but the title should be "We are trying to make sure we are doing what’s best for FOREIGN StarCraft." The questions asked were right tho, Kudos to the TL interviewer who tried to get something interesting but Kim Phan was very evasive. She didn't even address the bad things that had nothing to do with Korea like all the screw ups with the rules and the unreleased book (I can't believe they didn't release it... It should be step 0 in every tournament system!). | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
It is the interviewers fault to not ask harder questions or follow PR statements by specific questions to stop her from PR-bullshiting. The interviewer tried it, but failed hard to get her out of her pink PR speak. | ||
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FrostPilot
31 Posts
On March 07 2016 16:20 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: We are seeing a lot of incoming players rising, and I think that’s exciting, fresh blood is always good, and you are seeing some surprises with Legacy of the Void being so different, people love playing it, so I heard a lot of positive feedback about the game and how it affected eSports. I'm not able to judge the LotV changes for eSports, but for causal gamers the high wall to climb to play SC2 got even higher - and casual gamers are the ones who watch the streams. More units, some very special units (flying siege unit, which cannot attack buildings ...), more special abilities, even faster gameplay ... maybe good for competition, but bad for fun. So I guess, "fresh blood" refers to some new (semi-)professional players entering tournaments, not to gamers, who did not play SC2 before LotV. If you never played SC2 there is no way to understand what's going on in a SC2 game. So I really would like to see some more content for casual gamers, maybe a SC-light with reduced number of units, "normal" speed, free2play? | ||
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alukarD
Mexico396 Posts
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On March 07 2016 23:39 Clonester wrote: I think it is not the fault of Kim Phan to only send out PR statements and "make Starcraft great again" slogans. Thats her job. It is the interviewers fault to not ask harder questions or follow PR statements by specific questions to stop her from PR-bullshiting. The interviewer tried it, but failed hard to get her out of her pink PR speak. Yeah but what else can the interviewer do? He/she can't insist too much with the questions without sounding aggressive... Also keep in mind Kim Phan is not amateur PR, if she wants to evade she will get it her way no doubt. | ||
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