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On March 07 2016 18:13 Diabolique wrote:
What would you say are the biggest positive and the biggest negative points about the new WCS system?
"- Blaaa blaaa blaaa, everything is great, it is an opportunity, it is exciting, blaaa blaaa blaaaa."
A bullshit PR talk without a single reasonable answer.
Actually no. There is one good and interesting answer - they are preparing 1 (ONE) global event. Well, everybody expected that there will be at least the ONE event. Unfortunately, it seems, there will be really only ONE event.
"you can’t stop players from retiring"
She is a really, really nice lady. And I really, really don't like her.
This.
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Bisutopia19319 Posts
What I got from this is we need to region lock France too. Why so good France!?!
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If they let the Korean SC2 scene whittle away in the next 2 years, I will not forgive them as a company.
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It’s wonderful to see all the best players of the world play and not just Korea—certainly the best of the best in StarCraft is in Korea, no doubt about it—, but there is a best of the best in StarCraft all over the world as well and we wanted to be able to put a spotlight on that
Reading this part I can't help but think of some dystopian world where the IAAF would create an Athleticism World Championship where Black people would be excluded under the justification that "it's wonderful to see all the best athletes of the world run and not just the Black ones". That's such a shameful reasoning from Blizzard and I don't believe their PR stance of "oh yeah this year is so awesome much positive feedback much viewers" will last very long in the face of reality. (notice, while we're at it, that she's excluding Korea from "the world" in her sentence)
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On March 07 2016 18:34 BisuDagger wrote:
What I got from this is we need to region lock France too. Why so good France!?!
Legacy from Stepahano , success breeds success prehaps ?
If there is to a successful foreigner scene then its needs a campus in one location where teams can locate their teamhouses. This save on infrastructure costs and transportation costs as well. The trouble is Blizz cant set all this up without cooperation of the teams, and this is why the foreigner scene is destined to fail no matter what happens.
Korea has this in place already, which is why Blizzard should be focusing on them imho. Sinking money into the foreigner scene is just throwing money away, the teams are short termist and so are many of the players. Root and Teamliquid are the only 2 that seem dedicated to SC2 from what i can see.
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"We're doing what's best for players"
-"Really? A lot of passionate and hard working players were forced into irrelevance or even retirement."
"Oh you're speaking about koreans? ahaha no no no we did what's best for foreign players. The interest of korean players didn't really bother us.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 07 2016 19:08 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +
It’s wonderful to see all the best players of the world play and not just Korea—certainly the best of the best in StarCraft is in Korea, no doubt about it—, but there is a best of the best in StarCraft all over the world as well and we wanted to be able to put a spotlight on that
Reading this part I can't help but think of some dystopian world where the IAAF would create an Athleticism World Championship where Black people would be excluded under the justification that "it's wonderful to see all the best athletes of the world run and not just the Black ones". That's such a shameful reasoning from Blizzard and I don't believe their PR stance of "oh yeah this year is so awesome much positive feedback much viewers" will last very long in the face of reality. (notice, while we're at it, that she's excluding Korea from "the world" in her sentence)
Actually all big foreign celebrities are not vocally against this. When was the last time some SC2 celebrity stand against Blizzard and said they are doing bad work and their system is shit? All important people are supporting WCS because it's keeping them more alive 
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On March 07 2016 17:41 usopsama wrote:When she says they are doing what's best for the "players," I guess she is really referring to the foreign players. I mean, they really fucked over a lot of passionate and highly-skilled Korean players with their region-lock.
Pretty much all the sponsors and viewers come from countries outside of Korea, a sponsor needs to see some benefit from the money they put into supporting teams and players, that is hard when all the players they sponsors never make it far into a big tournament.
What are the Korean players going to do if Starcraft 2 is dead in two years? Do you see a magical solution in the near future where suddenly we get thousands of viewers if we just keep making enough big weekend tournaments for them to get money from? If Korea had a bunch of tournaments where foreigner players could fly in for a weekend then that would be different, but the GSL pretty much requires you to live in Korea in order to compete, why can't we have some of the same requirements for foreign tournaments?
We can argue about whether Blizzard chose the best model for this WCS, but if the choice is between the game dying a slow death within a few years and nobody is able to make money from it, or we choose to boost the foreign scene where all the viewers and sponsors are, and hurt the Korean scene while doing it. Then i am going to choose the last option because at least there is a chance that it brings new life into the game.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 07 2016 19:39 Oasx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 17:41 usopsama wrote:We are trying to make sure we are doing... what’s best for the players. When she says they are doing what's best for the "players," I guess she is really referring to the foreign players. I mean, they really fucked over a lot of passionate and highly-skilled Korean players with their region-lock. Pretty much all the sponsors and viewers come from countries outside of Korea, a sponsor needs to see some benefit from the money they put into supporting teams and players, that is hard when all the players they sponsors never make it far into a big tournament. What are the Korean players going to do if Starcraft 2 is dead in two years? Do you see a magical solution in the near future where suddenly we get thousands of viewers if we just keep making enough big weekend tournaments for them to get money from? If Korea had a bunch of tournaments where foreigner players could fly in for a weekend then that would be different, but the GSL pretty much requires you to live in Korea in order to compete, why can't we have some of the same requirements for foreign tournaments? We can argue about whether Blizzard chose the best model for this WCS, but if the choice is between the game dying a slow death within a few years and nobody is able to make money from it, or we choose to boost the foreign scene where all the viewers and sponsors are, and hurt the Korean scene while doing it. Then i am going to choose the last option because at least there is a chance that it brings new life into the game.
Boosting foreign scene = canceling a long term league and using for WCS established tournaments. Sure, that's SO HUGE BOOST!!!
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It's just PR seriously, right now sc2 is in a delicate position, I suppose the next community feedback should give more insight about where the game is headed.
And by the way I think Blizz is more anxious to please the korean pros than the rest of the community. A game should be designed for the playerbase, by balanced for the top levels. LOTV is designed for viewership of korean tournaments, and balanced accordingly.
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They should just make more global events and the system would be fine.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 07 2016 20:07 Charoisaur wrote:
They should just make more global events and the system would be fine.
So much this.
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This person has no idea what she is doing sadly.
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Thanks for the interivew!
I guess it gives us as much info as you'd expect from Blizzard  .
Questions I'd like to have answered but you probably couldn't ask:
Was Blizzard forced to come up with this new system last minute, since ESL no longer wanted to produce WCS Premiere as a studio event?
If not, why not just region lock WCS Premiere, have the studio events just like last year and keep IEM/DH they way they always were. Support them with the extra money WCS has this year and have every IEM/DH be a global event.
Why was the WCS Winter Championship not a standalone event? We basically lost the real IEM Katowice World Championship event, where the previous Champions and runner-ups would've been invited to, due to this.
Will the other Championships be a standalone event, and will we have a crowd for day 1 and day 2?
Does Blizzard admit that Korean players (Parting, Jaedong for example) who aren't on a Proleague team and didn't qualify or went out early in SSL/GSL are in a very tough spot? The new system does not provide enough tournaments for them to play in, we don't see much of them for half a year. Rumor/Kenzi says Fantasy retired because of this.
More questions pop up, but they aren't for Bunny .
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On March 07 2016 19:39 Oasx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2016 17:41 usopsama wrote:We are trying to make sure we are doing... what’s best for the players. When she says they are doing what's best for the "players," I guess she is really referring to the foreign players. I mean, they really fucked over a lot of passionate and highly-skilled Korean players with their region-lock. Pretty much all the sponsors and viewers come from countries outside of Korea, a sponsor needs to see some benefit from the money they put into supporting teams and players, that is hard when all the players they sponsors never make it far into a big tournament.
I know, right? Foreigners were not skilled enough to "make it far into a big tournament" because players from South Korea were knocking them out left and right, so let's dumb down the competition by implementing a region-lock and keep the best of the best players away. That way, foreigners can "make it far into a big tournament" and secure spots that they otherwise would not deserve. That is basically the logic that you are agreeing to.
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while I don't agree with what they are doing, I think the scene is improving, but whether it is because of the game or the new WCS, it's hard to tell.
But it's good to just sit back and enjoy sc2
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On March 07 2016 18:34 BisuDagger wrote:
What I got from this is we need to region lock France too. Why so good France!?!
I know you have your tongue in cheek here, but the answer to this question is actually interesting and it is O'GamingTV. Their underdogs tournament kept the french scene alive, got players used to competition and pressure and allowed unknown players to emerge.
It shows that giving a training ground to non elite player make them slowly grow in skill and able to compete with top world players.
Every country should have their underdogs tournament.
+ Show Spoiler +NB: I don't think OGTV could have done this without the massive success of their LoL channel, but the fact that they don't focus on the big revenue but on all the games they have passion for is just great
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Katowice25012 Posts
who capitalized all these s'es in esports 
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it's funny that all these positive feedbacks make for shitty views in WCS and good one for GSL.
nothing about the 33% less content in Kr ? about the lack of rules 3+ months into the system ?
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