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Pseudorandom
United States120 Posts
From the community feedbacks during that period, the dev team seemed to love how the game was going with the removal, or at least reduction of MM. Then all of a sudden the "negative perception" cause them to add them back in, and pretend it was all ok. I watch SSL and GSL, but that is about as far as my support for SC2 goes. I hope the design improves, but I doubt it will happen on a large enough scale for me to come back. | ||
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On March 03 2016 07:07 Pseudorandom wrote: I played WoL-Hots and did not buy LotV because of the design decisions of the Sc2 dev team. Specifically the re-addition of Macro-mechanics/boosters. I enjoyed the game FAR more without them, and the problem I have is not with the being back in the game. The problem I have and the reason I did not, and likely will not, buy Sc2 is the dev team's PR shenanigans and what feels like intentional sabotage to the game. From the community feedbacks during that period, the dev team seemed to love how the game was going with the removal, or at least reduction of MM. Then all of a sudden the "negative perception" cause them to add them back in, and pretend it was all ok. I watch SSL and GSL, but that is about as far as my support for SC2 goes. I hope the design improves, but I doubt it will happen on a large enough scale for me to come back. Yes exactly. I'm glad someone else was there during that time and followed the updates and seen what I seen. Even though mineral costs needed to be tweaked a bit, the game was by far the most fun SC2 ever was, less minerals per base without the super fast economic growth actually spent some time on each base - you didnt HAVE to expand almost non stop how you have to in LotV release - and it encouraged interaction with much smaller armies and made so many new timings that encouraged combat, economy wasn't out of control, and without MM balance was much more manageable. They were on to something great.... Then all of a sudden they don't want to make any more waves and bend to "perception"??? Something that's not even real, but perceived??? Ever since then they are scared of making waves... So we're stuck with half measures. Their changes for the last ~3 months of beta were based around removal of MM, and then with MM back in, we're stuck in the middle of 2 different design visions. Both of them are half-assed. I do not believe at all that it was a coincidence that what you said, on top of the fact that the change of direction happened exactly at the same time they announced the release date, and the release date being sooner than both the Blizz store page said, as well as the beta being the same length as HotS when just a couple months earlier they were saying it would be a longer beta than they ever had. During the MM removal phase they said beta was going to go on quite a bit longer, then as soon as they were reverted and rumors came out about it releasing the same year... I'm sure some are going to argue that we don't know the "real reason" or we dont have "proof" of any of this, but they made themselves liars if you compare the comments from june-sep compared to mid sep onward. Especially with statements like how its going to be a much longer beta than any other. I may not know the real reason that led to the date being pushed up, but I am very confident that they needed to rush the game out in time for Blizzcon for other reasons - most likely due to marketing issues or something else getting delayed so SC2 had to make up for the loss. It's the only thing that makes sense. The only other possibility is that it was completely true that they bended to perception. I honestly don't even want to believe that and hope it was just PR. But if that were the truth, it's even worse than if they screwed SC2's release as the lesser evil of screwing another one of their games releases. But either possibility sucks regardless. | ||
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AlphaAeffchen
110 Posts
i have a question. Do you think Blizzard is working on an another RTS. Dustin Browder works on a new Project (he left heroes of the storm at the end of last year). He only developed RTS titles and heroes of the storm which has rts components. Also David Kim left SC 2 for a new project. Also Mike Morhaine said that it is possible that Blizzard will make Warcraft 4 in the future. I think the chaces are really good that we will get a new RTS from Blizzard in the next 3-4 years. What do you think? | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On May 22 2017 22:45 DieuCure wrote: 3-4 years at least, can be more, i think they have to wait the decline of moba's, but for the moment they invest a lot in HoTS They invest a lot into all of their games. | ||
Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
+ wc3 and bw was alive together | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17137 Posts
On February 28 2016 01:40 StarStruck wrote: Ridiculous. RTS is not a dead genre nor will it ever be. It's called a niche genre and it is really no different than the FGC. development budgets for AAA titles have steadily climbed in the past 20 years. development budgets for RTS peaked around 2007 for RTS. Blizzard pumping out expansion packs, patches and skins requires no where near the resources the development of a complete engine and game required from 2007 to 2009 for SC2. Blizzard's entire organization used to revolve around the RTS genre. Now it barely comprises 1% of revenue. enjoy SC2 while you can. its teh last big budget RTS game ever. its over. | ||
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AlphaAeffchen
110 Posts
You have no idea about what your talking. First of all Blizzard makes starcraft remastered with a full Team! Blizzard makes money with RTS. They sold over 1 Million copies of Lotv at the first release day. You are spreading missinformation all the time. No one at Blizzard said that they wont make an another RTS. Mike Morhaine said that there will be Warcraft 4 as an RTS game. The only question is when! I asked Dustin Browder if warcraft 4 is a possibility an he said that they are thinking about it! In nearly everey thread you post your wrong assumptions about Balance and Blizzards Marketing strategy and that Blizzard is done with RTS games! This is absolutly wrong. Mike Morhaine said that there will be a future for RTS titles (the only question is the buisness model). You will see that we will get an another RTS from Blizzard! Its true wait and see........... | ||
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sertas
Sweden889 Posts
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mrwhite-
55 Posts
Let us imagine that Warcraft 4 would turn out to big a success, the outcome of it would be immense. The hype around Starcraft 2 being annouced was huge and the same case will be for a new Warcraft RTS. Blizzard could potential snatch a big chunck of the playerbase of both League of Legends and Dota 2. If people would start leaving those games, Steam and Riot Games would have to reinvent themselves. Can you imagine Steam or Riot Games create new games that would surpass their previous games? Would the gamers of this generation continue to play because of their commitment to skins? At some point - it will end. There is not a video game, that will be on top forever. World of Warcraft is a great example of this. Mobas are not going away unless a bigger video game developer starts replacing their urge to play other games. This is why, I think, Warcraft 4 is in development. The real money for Blizzard is in the modding scene and the potential gold nuggets that is grown in their own backyard. They created a sandbox, that ended up creating a new competitor in Riot Games and of course strengthen Valve with Dota 2. Blizzard wouldn't make the same mistake twice. Does Blizzard have the talent to create a good hybrid RTS? That is a good question.... | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17137 Posts
On May 23 2017 00:05 AlphaAeffchen wrote: @ JimmyJRaynor You have no idea about what your talking. First of all Blizzard makes starcraft remastered with a full Team! Blizzard makes money with RTS. They sold over 1 Million copies of Lotv at the first release day. You are spreading missinformation all the time. No one at Blizzard said that they wont make an another RTS. Mike Morhaine said that there will be Warcraft 4 as an RTS game. The only question is when! I asked Dustin Browder if warcraft 4 is a possibility an he said that they are thinking about it! In nearly everey thread you post your wrong assumtions about Balance and Blizzards Marketing strategy and that Blizzard is done with RTS games! This is absolutly wrong. Mike Morhaine said that there will be a future for RTS titles (the only question is the buisness model). You will see that we will get an another RTS from Blizzard! Its true wait and see........... read earlier in the thread. its already been covered. Sigaty said they won't make anything to compete with SC2 for 10 years. SC:Remastered caters to ex/old SC1 players and is not being marketed towards a new audience. By contrast, Overwatch is being marketed towards all players. The marketing budget for SC:Remastered versus the marketing budget for Overwatch will tell the tale. Overwatch made a billion in 10 months. Has Starcraft hit a billion yet? its 18 years old. Sry dawg, but the resources required to remaster a game are nothing like the resources required to make Overwatch. it just ain't even close. On May 23 2017 00:05 AlphaAeffchen wrote: Its true wait and see........... yes, let's pay attention to outcomes. Let's see if Blizzard puts more resources into the "Overwatch League" or into an SC:Remastered League. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 23 2017 00:05 AlphaAeffchen wrote: @ JimmyJRaynor You have no idea about what your talking. First of all Blizzard makes starcraft remastered with a full Team! Blizzard makes money with RTS. They sold over 1 Million copies of Lotv at the first release day. You are spreading missinformation all the time. No one at Blizzard said that they wont make an another RTS. Mike Morhaine said that there will be Warcraft 4 as an RTS game. The only question is when! I asked Dustin Browder if warcraft 4 is a possibility an he said that they are thinking about it! In nearly everey thread you post your wrong assumptions about Balance and Blizzards Marketing strategy and that Blizzard is done with RTS games! This is absolutly wrong. Mike Morhaine said that there will be a future for RTS titles (the only question is the buisness model). You will see that we will get an another RTS from Blizzard! Its true wait and see........... Honestly I would just ignore him. He's always been a huge downer and a very negative person. I would bet money there will be another big budget RTS, whether it's Warcraft 4 or SC3 or maybe something new. I imagine SC2 will be fine for the next few years at least. Hard to believe it's going to hit 10 years in 2020. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17137 Posts
you half-read, 5% of my posts and make an incorrect judgement based on that. here is the latest patch thread here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/522920-314-balance-patch-inbound lemme know the next time you see me insulting BLizzard's employees on here. i leave that to the "experts" who "really know the game at the top level". making AoE2:HD, Homeworld HD, and SC1 HD... is not big budget AAA. its milking a current hardcore audience for every possible nickel with a game made by a team much much smaller than a AAA team. This is the current state of the industry. Old remakes. | ||
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AlphaAeffchen
110 Posts
I say it again. I know about the interview with Chris Sigaety (i told you about all this in another post in another thread!). He didnt say that there wont be another RTS in the next ten years. You completly took this interview out of context. And again. Mike Morhaine said in an interview that there will be Warcraft 4 as an RTS game the onyl question is when! This interview happened after the interview with Chris Sigaety which you completly put out of context. I also had a chat with Dustin Browder. I asked if WC 4 is a possibility. He said that they are listening and thinking about it. Also Blizzard is very traditional about their games. They dont care only about revenue. And Starcraft makes Revenue by the way. Ah and by the way everey post you make about Balance and that SC 2 will not last long is wrong. Blizzard supports their games longtime! Im so sick of reading your wrong assumptions about Blizzard and their RTS games in nearly everey thread you post this wrong informations which are totally false! | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17137 Posts
On May 23 2017 00:42 Wildmoon wrote: The fundamental gameplay of traditional RTS simply does not match the preference of of the current trend of gaming. bingo. i love big army fighting games with bullets flying everywhere. in 1996 i could only do that on a giant cumbersome PC. everyone was forced to be on PC. You couldn't play it on your Apple Newton or your Palm Pilot. Now i can get that big army fight from a Smartphone or Tablet playing Clash of Clans or that Kate Upton game... fuck she is hot. | ||
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AlphaAeffchen
110 Posts
Yes. But he responded to me (he wouldnt do that if there are no plans for an rts game) and Mike Morhaine said that Warcraft 4 is a possibility. I wont respond to your comments any longer because you are a troll and always post wrong informations regarding Balance of SC 2 and the future of RTS games! I made a thread about worker harrasment in SC II and Broodwar. There you made a post about the end of RTS games which was totally not the theme of the thread. I told you what Mike Morhaine said and posted the Link to the interview. You completly ignored it. You spread here missinformation all the time with no evidence. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17137 Posts
if Morhaime put his best talent on an RTS game he'd get fired tomorrow. His best talent is devoted to projects that actually, you know, make money. Like Destiny2.  i'm 100% happy with SC2. Its a great game. But, i'm also realistic as to the profits it and other RTS games can generate. | ||
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AlphaAeffchen
110 Posts
Mike Morhaine can do with the Blizzard Projects what he wants because they make money. He wouldnt tell that WC 4 is a possiblity if they wouldnt talk about it at the Company! You post missinformations all the time........... This was my last comment to your false posts i will ignore you now! | ||
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