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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
Also, it's not because cs:go and LoL have more viewers than sc that RTS genre is dead, cause a) esport is not the alpha and omega of all gaming, b) there are new RTS coming out, they might not be made for competition, they may not be as good as sc2, BUT they do exist and people play them. We haven't seen everything yet and RTS will still live for long cause it's a fundamental of pc gaming. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
nice video thank you I really feel that rts in 3d will be done right one day, as in there have been several good ones but none to "blow us away" from the competitive possible gameplay. Rts is already too hard on photon cycles (people rage quit galore while the gameplay is crystal clear to any beginner) so i think most rts to come that will shine will be "unique multiplayer games, as is scbw and possibly sc2 although i don't think there is any point in trying to make those two be different (they are not, scbw and sc2 use the same gameplays and sc2 is user friendly) it is the same game (if you think about it). | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17368 Posts
On May 23 2017 18:50 paxconsciente wrote: war 4 would be a massive success. so to answer the question, the future right now is war 4, any other rts will always be pushed aside by mobas and shooters, and sc2 is just staying alive like all RTS do, people still play aoe2 and red alert. Red Alert came out 15+ years ago and several companies have tried to grow the player base with all kinds of new Red Alert games. Didn't work. AoE2 came out 10+ years ago. same thing Intellivision Utopia , M.U.L.E., and Tecmo Super Bowl are action//strategy games still going strong. Does this mean someone is going to come along and make Utopia 2?. Tecmo Bowl 2? and these games will cause some amazing renaissance ... nah. Maybe someone will make Space Invaders 3 and we'll all start hanging out at smoke filled Arcades trying to break the high score and figuring out the shooting pattern to get the 1000 point UFO that goes along the top of the screen. Get Out Your Quarters! unless you can get someone to fund Red Alert 4, Space Invaders 3, or M.U.L.E. 2... its over. The original games will continue to have cult like followings but their biggest profits are in the past. On May 23 2017 18:50 paxconsciente wrote: war 4 would be a massive success. funny how legends like Pardo, and Sperry leave the RTS genre and never return. they want to make real money and move on to big money projects wadaya wanna bet Pardo's new studio doesn't go any where near the RTS genre. the best development talent are naturally drawn to high profit games. | ||
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AlphaAeffchen
110 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17368 Posts
No RTS game has ever made the kind of money Overwatch has made over the last year. and no RTS ever will. | ||
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AlphaAeffchen
110 Posts
We can really expect an another rts from Blizzard and thats fine :-) | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17368 Posts
https://www.pcgamesn.com/starcraft-ii/starcraft-2-the-next-ten-years "So you can probably wave goodbye to the idea of an RTS-centric Warcraft 4 or any plans you'd made to go pro with the release of StarCraft 3 in the near future. The team is very much focused on releasing Legacy of the Void and then continuing to improve it for a long time to come. " i'm having a lot of fun playing SC2. i'm also realistic. | ||
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FarmI3oy
United States255 Posts
On May 24 2017 07:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: no it won't. as that guy from France noted 1v1 games are not "in". Its more fun to voice with some friends and play a team game and yell and scream at each other... and work together as a team. its more social .. its more silly, stupid, idiotic fun. No RTS game has ever made the kind of money Overwatch has made over the last year. and no RTS ever will. Golly gee, your arguments are so irrefutably sound I can't understand why you would be on teamliquid arguing in the first place. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17368 Posts
Blizzard does not cannibalize its own games. So Blizz won't make something to compete directly with WoW, Overwatch, SC2, or Diablo3 unless they're being replaced completely. Blizzard already said SC2 is getting 10 years of support from September 2015 onward. If you do not like the facts. There is nothing i can do about it. | ||
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AlphaAeffchen
110 Posts
Blizzard was very happy about the money made with starcraft and WC3. Even if ist not their top game they still support it and they made sc remastered. The next step will be WC 4. | ||
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FarmI3oy
United States255 Posts
30 million players across three platforms after (1) Blizzard using one hell of a marketing strategy (mass inclusiveness), (2) Blizzard using a game that is technically the aborted fetus of another game that had been thrown in the trash and (3) more people than ever now have PC's, Playstations and Xboxs than ever before in human history. The last point is something that drives me up a wall. When people say, especially game companies, "fastest selling game in history" or "biggest player base since [insert pointless date here]" it makes no sense. More and more people are gaining access to technology (or luxury) everyday. Yet people have the audacity to claim "OH GEE look at all the people we sold this too!" or "WOW this game sold X million copies, it must be the best!" You're falsely making claims based on an ever changing variable. Obviously new games are going to sell to more people than the ones from years ago did. The gaming player base on the whole is growing so that would only make sense. Do not be a sheep though and fall for these numbers that game companies (especially Blizzard) throw around as if to show they have some how become enlightened and suddenly produced a superior game. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
(and the art style?) but I think, chances are high that a ton of people would want to play it, bw sc2 w3 wow dota league of legends people and more... (maybe D2 D3..) | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
While I think that you are right about a growing playerbase, the growth isn't playing RTS. Most of the additions atm are Handy- and casual gamers. Teamshooter and Mobas generate amazing revenues because they attract hardcore and casual gamers. RTS on the other hand (if you don't count Mobas) for many embody the nerd cliché and pretty much every RTS player I know is a history geek. A large part of the community consists of elitists who glorify a 20 year old game enough that they bash everything that isn't that game, a.k.a. people you can't sell games to. Be it BW, CnC:RA2, AoE2 or whatever other ages old game with terrible controls you can find. Just look at what happened to DoW3. What you describe is btw a problem for developers: Joysticks suck for RTS-controls, which means sales are going to be lower since you can't publish cross platform. Which is an inherent disadvantage of RTS. And if you want more current numbers: 2010-2016 Sc2 created a total revenue of 542 Million $ (less than sc1 btw). Overwatch created more than a billion within the first year. source:+ Show Spoiler + Not saying wc4 wouldn't sell, but I doubt it would create a breathing, long living community, no matter how good the game was. Also it's revenue would still be minor compared to Blizz current cash cows. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17368 Posts
On May 24 2017 10:09 Archeon wrote: And if you want more current numbers: 2010-2016 Sc2 created a total revenue of 542 Million $ (less than sc1 btw). Overwatch created more than a billion within the first year. source:+ Show Spoiler + Not saying wc4 wouldn't sell, but I doubt it would create a breathing, long living community, no matter how good the game was. Also it's revenue would still be minor compared to Blizz current cash cows. thx for taking the time to respond. according to the source u provided SC1 generated $437 million while SC2 generated $542. i do not think this source is accurate. I think the source provided is high. Once SC2:WoL hit 4.5 million units sold ATVI stopped talking about it. That was the Q1 2011 Investor call. HotS and LotV sold a million units and were never discussed again. SC1 had the vast majority of its sales when the SC:Battle Chest was $30 or less. For example, In 2007 the SC:BattleChest was one of the top selling PC games at $20 USD. I put SC's total franchise revenue at less than $0.7 Billion. It is far and away the most financially successful RTS franchise ever and Blizzard has done a great job on it. | ||
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lestye
United States4205 Posts
On May 24 2017 06:57 AlphaAeffchen wrote: Warcraft 4 will make Blizzard a ton of money and it will skyrocket like Overwatch. Blizzard will make Warcraft 4 the only question is when. Mike Morhaine said that they will make the game someday and it will be an RTS. Warcraft frnachise is really powerfull and the fans want Warcraft 4! I think what you're not recognizing, is that the Warcraft franchise is popular, but not the RTS. TFT only sold 3.5 million copies. Yeah Warcraft might sell a decent amount, but the issue is that if you spent the resources to make a Warcraft RPG, a Warcraft shooter, a Warcraft racing game, you would sell 10x more because people don't buy RTS. On May 23 2017 03:01 Wildmoon wrote: D3 is not a sustained sucess. The game has already lost its steam. D3 also released on console much later than PC which contributed to higher sale after 6 months. Overwatch released on all platform simulteneously. Diablo 3 sold 15 millon copies before it even touched console. Most of those copies were after its initial release. On May 24 2017 08:12 AlphaAeffchen wrote: The fact is that Mike Morhaine said after the interview with Chris Sigaety that there will be Warcraft 4 as an RTS in the future and that Blizzard will make it. Also Dustin Browder and other sources from Blizzard said that they are talking about a new RTS. WC 4 is guranteed. The only question is when. You have no clue about what your talking JimmyJRaynor. Blizzard was very happy about the money made with starcraft and WC3. Even if ist not their top game they still support it and they made sc remastered. The next step will be WC 4. If you read Jimmy's link, https://www.pcgamesn.com/starcraft-ii/starcraft-2-the-next-ten-years ""I can’t answer that because honestly we don’t know. Is it possible we work on something that steps on the toes of StarCraft? Yes, but there’s no intention to do that today, which is why I think it’s so critical and important how we treat it and how we continue to improve it and make things better - that matters. I think [StarCraft] absolutely stands as an amazing experience to both celebrate the people that get to that level of skill and quality and also to be able to watch and see that. While it’s possible we would [replace that], I don’t see it happening."" its very possible they dont make War4 because of that. | ||
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lestye
United States4205 Posts
On May 23 2017 20:03 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Although it does make me wonder; why is Wc3 pretty much dead? Is it just, as a "fun" RTS, it is hurt significantly by being old and outdated as a game, and thus more casual gamers won't want to play it? SC1 is still around and loved, but WC3 is much smaller. If a WC4 came out and stuck pretty closely to the WC3 formula, could it be a massive success appealing to both casuals and competitive gamers the way LoL and OW have, or would it need to improve on the formula significantly? War3 isnt dead. It still has a big competitive scene, on par with the Brood War scene. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17368 Posts
Hell , Super Tecmo Bowl from 1991 still has a living breathing competitive scene. ESPN Covers their big event in April. NHL '94 from September 1993 still has a competitive scene... On May 24 2017 13:08 lestye wrote: its very possible they dont make War4 because of that. true, Blizzard does not cannibalize its own games. and they don't like splitting playerbases. look at how they are handling Overwatch. No expansion packs. No paid map packs etc. I can't see Blizzard splitting the limited RTS player base between 3 games, namely, SC1:RM, SC2:LotV, and WC4. | ||
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lestye
United States4205 Posts
On May 24 2017 13:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote: true, Blizzard does not cannibalize its own games. and they don't like splitting playerbases. look at how they are handling Overwatch. No expansion packs. No paid map packs etc. I can't see Blizzard splitting the limited RTS player base between 3 games, namely, SC1:RM, SC2:LotV, and WC4. Well technically it'd be 5 because of War3 remaster which its inevitably remastered in like 3-4 years. I don't agree with your overall conclusion, since the SC1:RM foreign population is going to be very small, I think. They didnt even bother to mention it as an upcoming release in their earnings call. I kinda hope you're wrong because I think itd be really cool to have multiple big RTS games with their own competitions, similar to how pro War3 and pro BW co-existed and how many fighting games they feature at those big FGC tournaments, but yeah, Sigaty did mention they dont want anything to step on SC2's toes so maybe thats the case. On May 24 2017 13:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i luv how people throw around "dead". Hell , Super Tecmo Bowl from 1991 still has a living breathing competitive scene. ESPN Covers their big event in April. NHL '94 from September 1993 still has a competitive scene... I hate it more than anything. Esp when people don't realize how small yet big SC2 is.It took 3 years for SC2 to sell 6 million copies meanwhile other esports have tens of millions people playing. SC2 is very well supported and loved considering how niche it really is in the grand scope of things. I think "dead" to me is like Quake. where its literally one competition a year, only a couple hundred concurrent people playing. | ||
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FarmI3oy
United States255 Posts
On May 24 2017 13:16 lestye wrote: War3 isnt dead. It still has a big competitive scene, on par with the Brood War scene. I sincerely hope you are joking with that comment. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17368 Posts
On May 24 2017 08:12 AlphaAeffchen wrote: The fact is that Mike Morhaine said after the interview with Chris Sigaety that there will be Warcraft 4 The next step will be WC 4. source? i need some context to believe this. was this an in depth lengthy interview about RTS games or a throwaway comment filled with PR speak because Morhaime was really covering some other topic or event. | ||
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