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On February 02 2016 01:36 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 01:32 FireCake wrote:
It is a good idea because almost no pro players are playing on ladder right now (the matchmaking makes the ladder useless). We might have some funny ladder games and stream might be more interesting for viewers.
But...
The matchmaking has been broken for months and is still broken, you can abuse the system by saving your bonus pool and use it just before the end of the qualifier. Not to mention that people can trade win very easily, it has been done many time in the past when koreans players had to play hundreds games to participate in the WCS.
It would be a lot better to use MMR to rank people and not points. I still love the fact that they are putting this system in place. Sure there are problems with it for now, but since they are aiming at a ladder revamp anyway, it will be really cool in the long run I think. Win traders usually get caught in ladder qualifers like in Shoutcraft or Destiny I and get disqualified.
How do you detect win traders ? Most of time nothing is done with cheaters so I am worried with this qualifier.
Many people share their account, how do you deal with this ?
In WCS it is forbidden to use skin units, on ladder it is allowed. So in this qualifier it is allowed to cheat...
There are many many problems with this qualifier and it seems they are not ready for this or they simply don't care ...
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On February 02 2016 01:55 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 01:53 Clonester wrote:On February 02 2016 01:37 Nerchio wrote:On February 02 2016 01:34 OtherWorld wrote:On February 02 2016 01:29 ZAiNs wrote:On February 02 2016 01:25 OtherWorld wrote:
OK the idea of using the ladder for something meaningful is cool. The only thing that tickles me if that it means that you have more chances to get more ladder points (thus a better ladder ranking) if you play a fuckton of matches, meaning unhealthy lifestyles and all-ins more viable. Actually the best way to be at the top of the ladder is to just use up your bonus pool and not play extra matches, when at the top you lose a lot of points for a loss to almost anyone and don't gain that many points. I thought GM players can't accumulate bonus pool? It's not perfect but still more meaningful matches is better As you have already qualified, can you even play in this? It says that he can, and if he takes top two, the player under him will get the invite.
Thanks for the info. But I dislike this option to the greatest. Not because I dont want people to earn money, but because of the slot system:
Each Region gets 16 slots, it is one less chance per already qualified player who get in this. On the top of that, it will be extremely annoying for someone getting kicked out by a qualified player in Ro16 or Ro8 (and the loser bracket parts), while another guy meets a qualified player in the consolidation final and thus gets the ticked because he could dodge him earlier. I dont know Blizzard..
On February 02 2016 01:58 FireCake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 01:36 Musicus wrote:On February 02 2016 01:32 FireCake wrote:
It is a good idea because almost no pro players are playing on ladder right now (the matchmaking makes the ladder useless). We might have some funny ladder games and stream might be more interesting for viewers.
But...
The matchmaking has been broken for months and is still broken, you can abuse the system by saving your bonus pool and use it just before the end of the qualifier. Not to mention that people can trade win very easily, it has been done many time in the past when koreans players had to play hundreds games to participate in the WCS.
It would be a lot better to use MMR to rank people and not points. I still love the fact that they are putting this system in place. Sure there are problems with it for now, but since they are aiming at a ladder revamp anyway, it will be really cool in the long run I think. Win traders usually get caught in ladder qualifers like in Shoutcraft or Destiny I and get disqualified. How do you detect win traders ? Most of time nothing is done with cheaters so I am worried with this qualifier. Many people share their account, how do you deal with this ? In WCS it is forbidden to use skin units, on ladder it is allowed. So in this qualifier it is allowed to cheat... There are many many problems with this qualifier and it seems they are not ready for this or they simply don't care ...
Hacking isnt a big thing anymore, after the latest patch broke the best Hack and the creator of the hack doesnt update the hack anymore. In this very phase of today till 12th of february, hacking shouldnt be such a thing.
Wintrading on the other hand, better have 2 gm accounts and trade wins with yourself...
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All matches bo5 in the tournament round. w00t.
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This is awesome news. Its what so many people wanted. Although it may not be perfect, this seems like an amazing way to improve the NA ladder in particular. All we need now is that ladder revamp ;P
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rip Nerchio always in high master
have to agree with FireCake here, this doesn't look very good from the competitive stand point
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Players will be required to play under the name that they wish to use during the WCS Circuit Winter Championship.
This means you can play under any name, right? And they gave a free name change so you can change it on February 11 11:59pm to whatever you want (your main ID)? Or when is the last opportunity to change it? The competition period has already started, but by mentioning the free name change it seems to imply that we're allowed to change it now, which is during the competition. If you don't change it, the worse thing that happens is you have to use your ladder name for the tournament?
I'm thinking about playing in this but would like to know at the start if we're allowed to play anonymously and at what point we need to have our final name change in if we want to change it.
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I wonder if this will affect the streaming patterns of some top players. Certainly you'd be careful to minimize the risk of being stream-cheated / stream-sniped if $$ is on the line.
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On February 02 2016 02:27 ClysmiC wrote:
I wonder if this will affect the streaming patterns of some top players. Certainly you'd be careful to minimize the risk of being stream-cheated / stream-sniped if $$ is on the line.
I guess they will just turn on 3mins delay or sth like that 
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On February 02 2016 02:23 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +Players will be required to play under the name that they wish to use during the WCS Circuit Winter Championship. This means you can play under any name, right? And they gave a free name change so you can change it on February 11 11:59pm to whatever you want (your main ID)? Or when is the last opportunity to change it? The competition period has already started, but by mentioning the free name change it seems to imply that we're allowed to change it now, which is during the competition. If you don't change it, the worse thing that happens is you have to use your ladder name for the tournament? I'm thinking about playing in this but would like to know at the start if we're allowed to play anonymously and at what point we need to have our final name change in if we want to change it.
From what I understand you can change your name but you'll have to bear it for the rest of the Winter Championship. Basically if you enter this qualifier under the name "SickRabbit", and you go to the finals of the WtrC, well you'll play there under the name "SickRabbit".
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Current GM top16 have an advantage?! Current Master players dont have any chances into GM top16 within 12 days.
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Is this the death of barcodes?!
E: aw it's not ):
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i dont understand why people are hyped about no barcode. im pretty sure the barcodes are gonna ladder to top 16 gm and change their name on the last day of this qualifier
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this is pretty cool
I wish they used mmr and not ranks, but heh, not gonna complain about a potential really neat idea !
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Will the non-top-16 get other opportunities to qualify for WCS?
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On February 02 2016 02:58 Dingodile wrote:
Current GM top16 have an advantage?! Current Master players dont have any chances into GM top16 within 12 days.
The season ended recently, GM isn't open yet.
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On February 02 2016 03:20 IntoTheheart wrote:
Will the non-top-16 get other opportunities to qualify for WCS?
Most people qualify through the server qualifiers, 8 from EU and 6 from NA.
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pretty cool. i just wish every toujrnament organizer would stop call it NA if they wont include mexico just call it us - canada cuz it aint NA, NA include more than just canada / us
good luck to all :D
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SHOUTcraft America made ladder a lot more competitive at the top for a while. Hopefully this will have the same effect.
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i was hyped until i saw firegod's contribution
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EPT
