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On February 02 2016 05:12 FireCake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 04:50 Tenks wrote:On February 02 2016 04:46 FireCake wrote:On February 02 2016 04:08 ivancype wrote:On February 02 2016 01:58 FireCake wrote:On February 02 2016 01:36 Musicus wrote:On February 02 2016 01:32 FireCake wrote:
It is a good idea because almost no pro players are playing on ladder right now (the matchmaking makes the ladder useless). We might have some funny ladder games and stream might be more interesting for viewers.
But...
The matchmaking has been broken for months and is still broken, you can abuse the system by saving your bonus pool and use it just before the end of the qualifier. Not to mention that people can trade win very easily, it has been done many time in the past when koreans players had to play hundreds games to participate in the WCS.
It would be a lot better to use MMR to rank people and not points. I still love the fact that they are putting this system in place. Sure there are problems with it for now, but since they are aiming at a ladder revamp anyway, it will be really cool in the long run I think. Win traders usually get caught in ladder qualifers like in Shoutcraft or Destiny I and get disqualified. How do you detect win traders ? Most of time nothing is done with cheaters so I am worried with this qualifier. Many people share their account, how do you deal with this ? In WCS it is forbidden to use skin units, on ladder it is allowed. So in this qualifier it is allowed to cheat... There are many many problems with this qualifier and it seems they are not ready for this or they simply don't care ... iAsonu and XY were suspend from WCS America 2014 because they win traded, so there is punishment for this http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/13423452444#1 They were not very careful, there are other players that have been hiding their win trades a lot better. It is really not difficult to chat somewhere else than the bnet client to ask for win trades. But I think the worst thing in this qualifier is that people are always sharing their accounts on ladder and thus the MMR of many top players on the ladder is not calculated by the wins of the owner of the account. I think many of your concerns could be solved via some big data processing assuming they're collecting it. If someone is suspected of sharing accounts it should be fairly easy to tell based upon hotkeys, APM, IP address, MAC address(? doubt they would collect that) and easily solved that this is clearly two separate people playing the game. For the win trading I feel they could generate trends as well. Where these two players have about a 50% winrate when playing each other, their match time is below the average across the ladder so these players get flagged. Then human intervention could determine if these two are in fact win trading. I highly doubt any of this infrastructure is in place, though. I agree, this is why I would prefer a new ladder system then to promote it they could do this qualifier. This qualifier will show all the issues of the ladder instead of promoting the benefit of the future ladder
Well if you release a new version without having ever tried this, you're taking the risk of discovering flaws after your ladder 2.0 is out.
If anything starting it now will be a good stress test to show what works and what doesn't in the current ladder, hopefully improving next one.
Sometimes, if you wait for the perfect software before starting things, you may just never start anything 
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This part is not clear to me :
Players already qualified for the WCS Circuit Winter Championship at Intel Extreme Masters Katowice will be eligible to play in their Regional Challenger, and the next eligible player will be invited should they secure a first or second place.
What I understand :
an already qualified player (through last week tournament) can compete (in his case, only for the money) and try to get into top 16 gm, and if they end up first or second of the 13th 14th feb tournament, the guy arriving third is qualified?
So the more already qualified people get into top 16 gm, the easier the qualification will be for the others?
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12th february is going to be crazy :D. I like it.
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On February 02 2016 04:24 Circumstance wrote:
Like him or not, Catz makes a difference.
thanks for the shoutout <3 I haven't been the good type of stressed in a long time, I have so much shit to do my head's about to explode but I am so happy about the last couple of days at the same time, lets keep moving forward
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On February 02 2016 02:23 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +Players will be required to play under the name that they wish to use during the WCS Circuit Winter Championship. This means you can play under any name, right? And they gave a free name change so you can change it on February 11 11:59pm to whatever you want (your main ID)? Or when is the last opportunity to change it? The competition period has already started, but by mentioning the free name change it seems to imply that we're allowed to change it now, which is during the competition. If you don't change it, the worse thing that happens is you have to use your ladder name for the tournament? I'm thinking about playing in this but would like to know at the start if we're allowed to play anonymously and at what point we need to have our final name change in if we want to change it.
I don't know why, but this brought back tsl2 for me. Those were the days.
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Awesome.
too bad NA ladder counts as well, as the competition is kind of... bullshit.
are EU players eligable for the NA ladder? i might try my luck huehue.
Also: Double Elimination! YES
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On February 02 2016 11:36 KalWarkov wrote:
Awesome.
too bad NA ladder counts as well, as the competition is kind of... bullshit.
are EU players eligable for the NA ladder? i might try my luck huehue.
Also: Double Elimination! YES
They be trying to fix it through this!
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If a player qualifies, and someone submits a replay of them playing as a barcode sometime between February 1st and 12th, is that player then disqualified?
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This is awesome, now we only need something to help the Korean scene and everything will be amazing :D
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On February 02 2016 14:25 jalstar wrote:
If a player qualifies, and someone submits a replay of them playing as a barcode sometime between February 1st and 12th, is that player then disqualified?
I believe it only counts top 16 GM after Feb 12th, if someone is not up there he/she is not qualified, that rule means you can't use a barcode to try to qualify.
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On February 02 2016 03:34 Major wrote:
pretty cool. i just wish every toujrnament organizer would stop call it NA if they wont include mexico just call it us - canada cuz it aint NA, NA include more than just canada / us
good luck to all :D
I feel you.
But unfortunately I must wish you good luck with that (terms are even more misleading in French).
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This is a good way to improve!
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On February 02 2016 03:34 Major wrote:
pretty cool. i just wish every toujrnament organizer would stop call it NA if they wont include mexico just call it us - canada cuz it aint NA, NA include more than just canada / us
good luck to all :D
They even said NA when it was the Americas so yeah..
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Do we see any Challenger matches? Or its all that we know that they all player take this serious and showing us that they are able to play 1500 ladder games within 12days...
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Whats the best way to follow this? Like best way to see an updated list of the top GM ladder?
EDIT: I do realize GM doesnt start for another week anyway
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On February 02 2016 06:38 Gwavajuice wrote:This part is not clear to me : Show nested quote +Players already qualified for the WCS Circuit Winter Championship at Intel Extreme Masters Katowice will be eligible to play in their Regional Challenger, and the next eligible player will be invited should they secure a first or second place. What I understand : an already qualified player (through last week tournament) can compete (in his case, only for the money) and try to get into top 16 gm, and if they end up first or second of the 13th 14th feb tournament, the guy arriving third is qualified? So the more already qualified people get into top 16 gm, the easier the qualification will be for the others?
Actually, it might be harder: When you see the qualified players as the top foreign players, with every one of them the luck of the bracket becomes more and more important as these already qualified players can also kick you into the lower bracket and then out before your reach the consolidation or loser bracket final.
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So blizzard is getting pros to care about the ladder for only one week?
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They made a few updates to their post 3 days ago.
The most imortant one:
"Player's account names have to be recognizable (no 'barcode' or otherwise unknown alias) once Grandmaster League opens. Any later namechanges will render that account ineligible for the respective top 16 final"
http://www.eslgaming.com/article/2016-wcs-challenger-coming-ladder-euna-2533
Seems to be working out really well so far. I'm just sad that it ends so soon.
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