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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar |
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country.
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On February 15 2016 17:58 opisska wrote:
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country.
Fixing a match is a really minor crime?
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On February 15 2016 18:35 Dumbledore wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 17:58 opisska wrote:
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country. Fixing a match is a really minor crime?
Yes, it is. It's a fucking game! It also steals money only from people who are betting illegally anyway. It is also not violent.
I am not saying that we should accept matchfixers with open arms, but compared to almost any serious crime, it's really nothing.
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Yes, it is. It's a fucking game! It also steals money only from people who are betting illegally anyway. It is also not violent.
I am not saying that we should accept matchfixers with open arms, but compared to almost any serious crime, it's really nothing.
It depends how you define serious crime. If Life received big amounts of money for matchfixing and was involved in illegal betting, he may be also charged for tax fraud and similar shit :/
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On February 15 2016 19:40 itsmck wrote:Show nested quote +Yes, it is. It's a fucking game! It also steals money only from people who are betting illegally anyway. It is also not violent.
I am not saying that we should accept matchfixers with open arms, but compared to almost any serious crime, it's really nothing. It depends how you define serious crime. If Life received big amounts of money for matchfixing and was involved in illegal betting, he may be also charged for tax fraud and similar shit :/
Whatever. I still believe that means of force, such as extended detention without being charged - and then even custody - should be used only in the most serious cases that warrant it. The state should not be empowered to detain people left and right.
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On February 15 2016 18:35 Dumbledore wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 17:58 opisska wrote:
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country. Fixing a match is a really minor crime?
Obviously it is. It is not a violent physical crime, it doesn't affect the way hundreds of people live, it doesn't affect the way justice works, it does not steal money from anyone except illegal betters. I get that seen from the eSports microcosm what Life is supposed to have done is the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on civilians, but truth is from the real world it's minor shit.
e : and I agree with opisska. In France you can be held by the police up to 48 hours if the supposed crime is worthy of 1+ year of jail, and up to 144 hours if it's terrorism-related. Here the guy is supposed to have matchfixed some games and 20 full days means 240 hours of custody...
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On February 15 2016 20:02 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 18:35 Dumbledore wrote:On February 15 2016 17:58 opisska wrote:
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country. Fixing a match is a really minor crime? Obviously it is. It is not a violent physical crime, it doesn't affect the way hundreds of people live, it doesn't affect the way justice works, it does not steal money from anyone except illegal betters. I get that seen from the eSports microcosm what Life is supposed to have done is the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on civilians, but truth is from the real world it's minor shit. e : and I agree with opisska. In France you can be held by the police up to 48 hours if the supposed crime is worthy of 1+ year of jail, and up to 144 hours if it's terrorism-related. Here the guy is supposed to have matchfixed some games and 20 full days means 240 hours of custody...
In Japan you can be held for "questioning" for 23 days. No joke.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan#Confession_in_Japanese_criminal_investigation
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In general, criminal law systems in Asia are so... rudimentary.
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On February 15 2016 20:10 BreAKerTV wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 20:02 OtherWorld wrote:On February 15 2016 18:35 Dumbledore wrote:On February 15 2016 17:58 opisska wrote:
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country. Fixing a match is a really minor crime? Obviously it is. It is not a violent physical crime, it doesn't affect the way hundreds of people live, it doesn't affect the way justice works, it does not steal money from anyone except illegal betters. I get that seen from the eSports microcosm what Life is supposed to have done is the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on civilians, but truth is from the real world it's minor shit. e : and I agree with opisska. In France you can be held by the police up to 48 hours if the supposed crime is worthy of 1+ year of jail, and up to 144 hours if it's terrorism-related. Here the guy is supposed to have matchfixed some games and 20 full days means 240 hours of custody... In Japan you can be held for "questioning" for 23 days. No joke. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan#Confession_in_Japanese_criminal_investigation
Yeah, I found that out when I started to research Japan because I am going there in May for a conference. Already makes me nervous.
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On February 15 2016 20:32 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 20:10 BreAKerTV wrote:On February 15 2016 20:02 OtherWorld wrote:On February 15 2016 18:35 Dumbledore wrote:On February 15 2016 17:58 opisska wrote:
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country. Fixing a match is a really minor crime? Obviously it is. It is not a violent physical crime, it doesn't affect the way hundreds of people live, it doesn't affect the way justice works, it does not steal money from anyone except illegal betters. I get that seen from the eSports microcosm what Life is supposed to have done is the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on civilians, but truth is from the real world it's minor shit. e : and I agree with opisska. In France you can be held by the police up to 48 hours if the supposed crime is worthy of 1+ year of jail, and up to 144 hours if it's terrorism-related. Here the guy is supposed to have matchfixed some games and 20 full days means 240 hours of custody... In Japan you can be held for "questioning" for 23 days. No joke. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan#Confession_in_Japanese_criminal_investigation Yeah, I found that out when I started to research Japan because I am going there in May for a conference. Already makes me nervous.
Just be a law abiding citizen and you'll be good. Or if you do plan to commit a crime, leave the country before they're on to you 
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On February 15 2016 20:33 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 20:32 opisska wrote:On February 15 2016 20:10 BreAKerTV wrote:On February 15 2016 20:02 OtherWorld wrote:On February 15 2016 18:35 Dumbledore wrote:On February 15 2016 17:58 opisska wrote:
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country. Fixing a match is a really minor crime? Obviously it is. It is not a violent physical crime, it doesn't affect the way hundreds of people live, it doesn't affect the way justice works, it does not steal money from anyone except illegal betters. I get that seen from the eSports microcosm what Life is supposed to have done is the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on civilians, but truth is from the real world it's minor shit. e : and I agree with opisska. In France you can be held by the police up to 48 hours if the supposed crime is worthy of 1+ year of jail, and up to 144 hours if it's terrorism-related. Here the guy is supposed to have matchfixed some games and 20 full days means 240 hours of custody... In Japan you can be held for "questioning" for 23 days. No joke. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan#Confession_in_Japanese_criminal_investigation Yeah, I found that out when I started to research Japan because I am going there in May for a conference. Already makes me nervous. Just be a law abiding citizen and you'll be good. Or if you do plan to commit a crime, leave the country before they're on to you
In foreign lands, you can get in trouble without even knowing you do something wrong. One day, I will tell you a story about my friends having been arrested for filming homosexual pornography in Argentina.
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On February 15 2016 20:36 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 20:33 Elentos wrote:On February 15 2016 20:32 opisska wrote:On February 15 2016 20:10 BreAKerTV wrote:On February 15 2016 20:02 OtherWorld wrote:On February 15 2016 18:35 Dumbledore wrote:On February 15 2016 17:58 opisska wrote:
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country. Fixing a match is a really minor crime? Obviously it is. It is not a violent physical crime, it doesn't affect the way hundreds of people live, it doesn't affect the way justice works, it does not steal money from anyone except illegal betters. I get that seen from the eSports microcosm what Life is supposed to have done is the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on civilians, but truth is from the real world it's minor shit. e : and I agree with opisska. In France you can be held by the police up to 48 hours if the supposed crime is worthy of 1+ year of jail, and up to 144 hours if it's terrorism-related. Here the guy is supposed to have matchfixed some games and 20 full days means 240 hours of custody... In Japan you can be held for "questioning" for 23 days. No joke. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan#Confession_in_Japanese_criminal_investigation Yeah, I found that out when I started to research Japan because I am going there in May for a conference. Already makes me nervous. Just be a law abiding citizen and you'll be good. Or if you do plan to commit a crime, leave the country before they're on to you In foreign lands, you can get in trouble without even knowing you do something wrong. One day, I will tell you a story about my friends having been arrested for filming homosexual pornography in Argentina.
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One day? Today is a nice day
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Why would you be nervous? Are you planning to run around and commit (minor) crimes?
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On February 15 2016 20:36 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 20:33 Elentos wrote:On February 15 2016 20:32 opisska wrote:On February 15 2016 20:10 BreAKerTV wrote:On February 15 2016 20:02 OtherWorld wrote:On February 15 2016 18:35 Dumbledore wrote:On February 15 2016 17:58 opisska wrote:
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country. Fixing a match is a really minor crime? Obviously it is. It is not a violent physical crime, it doesn't affect the way hundreds of people live, it doesn't affect the way justice works, it does not steal money from anyone except illegal betters. I get that seen from the eSports microcosm what Life is supposed to have done is the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on civilians, but truth is from the real world it's minor shit. e : and I agree with opisska. In France you can be held by the police up to 48 hours if the supposed crime is worthy of 1+ year of jail, and up to 144 hours if it's terrorism-related. Here the guy is supposed to have matchfixed some games and 20 full days means 240 hours of custody... In Japan you can be held for "questioning" for 23 days. No joke. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan#Confession_in_Japanese_criminal_investigation Yeah, I found that out when I started to research Japan because I am going there in May for a conference. Already makes me nervous. Just be a law abiding citizen and you'll be good. Or if you do plan to commit a crime, leave the country before they're on to you In foreign lands, you can get in trouble without even knowing you do something wrong. One day, I will tell you a story about my friends having been arrested for filming homosexual pornography in Argentina.
Just don't do something stupid?
Being nervous about this makes completely no sense o.o
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On February 15 2016 20:36 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 20:33 Elentos wrote:On February 15 2016 20:32 opisska wrote:On February 15 2016 20:10 BreAKerTV wrote:On February 15 2016 20:02 OtherWorld wrote:On February 15 2016 18:35 Dumbledore wrote:On February 15 2016 17:58 opisska wrote:
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country. Fixing a match is a really minor crime? Obviously it is. It is not a violent physical crime, it doesn't affect the way hundreds of people live, it doesn't affect the way justice works, it does not steal money from anyone except illegal betters. I get that seen from the eSports microcosm what Life is supposed to have done is the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on civilians, but truth is from the real world it's minor shit. e : and I agree with opisska. In France you can be held by the police up to 48 hours if the supposed crime is worthy of 1+ year of jail, and up to 144 hours if it's terrorism-related. Here the guy is supposed to have matchfixed some games and 20 full days means 240 hours of custody... In Japan you can be held for "questioning" for 23 days. No joke. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan#Confession_in_Japanese_criminal_investigation Yeah, I found that out when I started to research Japan because I am going there in May for a conference. Already makes me nervous. Just be a law abiding citizen and you'll be good. Or if you do plan to commit a crime, leave the country before they're on to you In foreign lands, you can get in trouble without even knowing you do something wrong. One day, I will tell you a story about my friends having been arrested for filming homosexual pornography in Argentina.
That sounds like an interesting story indeed
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Czech Republic12128 Posts
On February 15 2016 20:01 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 19:40 itsmck wrote:Yes, it is. It's a fucking game! It also steals money only from people who are betting illegally anyway. It is also not violent.
I am not saying that we should accept matchfixers with open arms, but compared to almost any serious crime, it's really nothing. It depends how you define serious crime. If Life received big amounts of money for matchfixing and was involved in illegal betting, he may be also charged for tax fraud and similar shit :/ Whatever. I still believe that means of force, such as extended detention without being charged - and then even custody - should be used only in the most serious cases that warrant it. The state should not be empowered to detain people left and right.
That's funny that it comes from a citizen of a country that does this
Our custody is so abused it's not even funny and no one gives a shit. And the compensation is stupidly low. And when a judge says, that people shouldn't be compensated after a custody, because that's just a mechanism to get the true villain... what do you expect?
We have people who are released out of custody after a year with destroyed lives. No. One. Here. Cares.
Though you have to be charged to be held so long, but that's not a problem, charges are easy. It's a known problem.
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On February 15 2016 20:36 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 20:33 Elentos wrote:On February 15 2016 20:32 opisska wrote:On February 15 2016 20:10 BreAKerTV wrote:On February 15 2016 20:02 OtherWorld wrote:On February 15 2016 18:35 Dumbledore wrote:On February 15 2016 17:58 opisska wrote:
It's really weird how quiet everyone in Korea is about this. Is he still being held in prison because of fixing a video game for that long? Should we even expect to know if he is released? I guess the police isn't oblige to provide news updates, but aren't there some real e-sports journalist in Korea?
In any case, what I learned from this thread that in Korea, they can apparently hold you up for 20 days in jail because of a suspicion of a really minor crime. I am not sure I ever want to step into such country. Fixing a match is a really minor crime? Obviously it is. It is not a violent physical crime, it doesn't affect the way hundreds of people live, it doesn't affect the way justice works, it does not steal money from anyone except illegal betters. I get that seen from the eSports microcosm what Life is supposed to have done is the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on civilians, but truth is from the real world it's minor shit. e : and I agree with opisska. In France you can be held by the police up to 48 hours if the supposed crime is worthy of 1+ year of jail, and up to 144 hours if it's terrorism-related. Here the guy is supposed to have matchfixed some games and 20 full days means 240 hours of custody... In Japan you can be held for "questioning" for 23 days. No joke. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan#Confession_in_Japanese_criminal_investigation Yeah, I found that out when I started to research Japan because I am going there in May for a conference. Already makes me nervous. Just be a law abiding citizen and you'll be good. Or if you do plan to commit a crime, leave the country before they're on to you In foreign lands, you can get in trouble without even knowing you do something wrong. One day, I will tell you a story about my friends having been arrested for filming homosexual pornography in Argentina.
Relax! Just don't film the homosexual thing in Japan! :-)
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On February 15 2016 21:17 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 20:01 opisska wrote:On February 15 2016 19:40 itsmck wrote:Yes, it is. It's a fucking game! It also steals money only from people who are betting illegally anyway. It is also not violent.
I am not saying that we should accept matchfixers with open arms, but compared to almost any serious crime, it's really nothing. It depends how you define serious crime. If Life received big amounts of money for matchfixing and was involved in illegal betting, he may be also charged for tax fraud and similar shit :/ Whatever. I still believe that means of force, such as extended detention without being charged - and then even custody - should be used only in the most serious cases that warrant it. The state should not be empowered to detain people left and right. That's funny that it comes from a citizen of a country that does this Our custody is so abused it's not even funny and no one gives a shit. And the compensation is stupidly low. And when a judge says, that people shouldn't be compensated after a custody, because that's just a mechanism to get the true villain... what do you expect? We have people who are released out of custody after a year with destroyed lives. No. One. Here. Cares. Though you have to be charged to be held so long, but that's not a problem, charges are easy. It's a known problem.
It's still not as bad as three weeks for "questioning". From what I had the pleasure learning about the systems elsewhere, we should be pretty glad for what he have. Even though obviously it could be better.
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On February 15 2016 21:24 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2016 21:17 deacon.frost wrote:On February 15 2016 20:01 opisska wrote:On February 15 2016 19:40 itsmck wrote:Yes, it is. It's a fucking game! It also steals money only from people who are betting illegally anyway. It is also not violent.
I am not saying that we should accept matchfixers with open arms, but compared to almost any serious crime, it's really nothing. It depends how you define serious crime. If Life received big amounts of money for matchfixing and was involved in illegal betting, he may be also charged for tax fraud and similar shit :/ Whatever. I still believe that means of force, such as extended detention without being charged - and then even custody - should be used only in the most serious cases that warrant it. The state should not be empowered to detain people left and right. That's funny that it comes from a citizen of a country that does this Our custody is so abused it's not even funny and no one gives a shit. And the compensation is stupidly low. And when a judge says, that people shouldn't be compensated after a custody, because that's just a mechanism to get the true villain... what do you expect? We have people who are released out of custody after a year with destroyed lives. No. One. Here. Cares. Though you have to be charged to be held so long, but that's not a problem, charges are easy. It's a known problem. It's still not as bad as three weeks for "questioning". From what I had the pleasure learning about the systems elsewhere, we should be pretty glad for what he have. Even though obviously it could be better.
Well, we just don't have enough space Otherwise it would be abused more :D I won't continue in this anymore, since I think it's OT. But remember, this is just 1 case you know 
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