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Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
December 21 2015 23:40 GMT
#41
So glad I can finally see some PERSONALITY at DreamHack now. Maybe if I turn off my sound, I can trick myself into thinking this is the best of the best playing weekends. What a fucking joke.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 21 2015 23:46 GMT
#42
Looks really good, I'm really looking forward to this.

Don't see why everyone is being so negative, there are plenty of Korean leagues if that's what you'd like to see.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-21 23:59:01
December 21 2015 23:57 GMT
#43
On December 22 2015 07:19 Lorch wrote:
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On December 22 2015 07:10 Clonester wrote:
Good thing that I dont got my tickets yet or else I had to sell them.



So much this. Was actually planning to go with my gf, but given that it's gonna be foreigners only we won't go. I was really looking forward to DH coming to Germany as I very much so prefer their events over ESL's (at least when it comes to attending in person), but all my favourite players are Kespa Koreans and I don't really see any point in going now.

Hold on let me go get the Violin because Kespa players went to Dreamhack so often 10/10 buddy

On December 22 2015 07:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
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On December 22 2015 07:22 RCCar wrote:
Hopefully there are like 80k viewers watching this or something so foreign scene can thrive.... This is gonna be WCS Circuit's first test.


One day we'll move from "more people watcihng - better the scene" leitmotif.

Won't happen tonight though.



You would think that with the popular well proclaimed "mature audience" that SC2 has, we wouldn't be running into high school mentality of "my esports has to be bigger than yours"
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jeeeKyyy
Profile Joined December 2015
35 Posts
December 22 2015 00:06 GMT
#44
Personally, i really dont care if koreans play or do not play. I believe SC2 fans should be supporting events like this no matter what they think about the current state of WCS.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12449 Posts
December 22 2015 00:11 GMT
#45
Sure I'll be there. You'll be there too if you actually like this game btw.
No will to live, no wish to die
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 22 2015 00:12 GMT
#46
On December 22 2015 08:57 desRow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 07:19 Lorch wrote:
On December 22 2015 07:10 Clonester wrote:
Good thing that I dont got my tickets yet or else I had to sell them.



So much this. Was actually planning to go with my gf, but given that it's gonna be foreigners only we won't go. I was really looking forward to DH coming to Germany as I very much so prefer their events over ESL's (at least when it comes to attending in person), but all my favourite players are Kespa Koreans and I don't really see any point in going now.

Hold on let me go get the Violin because Kespa players went to Dreamhack so often 10/10 buddy

Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 07:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 22 2015 07:22 RCCar wrote:
Hopefully there are like 80k viewers watching this or something so foreign scene can thrive.... This is gonna be WCS Circuit's first test.


One day we'll move from "more people watcihng - better the scene" leitmotif.

Won't happen tonight though.



You would think that with the popular well proclaimed "mature audience" that SC2 has, we wouldn't be running into high school mentality of "my esports has to be bigger than yours"

Wow sorry for wanting to see Koreans
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 22 2015 00:19 GMT
#47
On December 22 2015 09:12 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 08:57 desRow wrote:
On December 22 2015 07:19 Lorch wrote:
On December 22 2015 07:10 Clonester wrote:
Good thing that I dont got my tickets yet or else I had to sell them.



So much this. Was actually planning to go with my gf, but given that it's gonna be foreigners only we won't go. I was really looking forward to DH coming to Germany as I very much so prefer their events over ESL's (at least when it comes to attending in person), but all my favourite players are Kespa Koreans and I don't really see any point in going now.

Hold on let me go get the Violin because Kespa players went to Dreamhack so often 10/10 buddy

On December 22 2015 07:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 22 2015 07:22 RCCar wrote:
Hopefully there are like 80k viewers watching this or something so foreign scene can thrive.... This is gonna be WCS Circuit's first test.


One day we'll move from "more people watcihng - better the scene" leitmotif.

Won't happen tonight though.



You would think that with the popular well proclaimed "mature audience" that SC2 has, we wouldn't be running into high school mentality of "my esports has to be bigger than yours"

Wow sorry for wanting to see Koreans


enjoying things you enjoy, the worst.
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nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
December 22 2015 00:20 GMT
#48
On December 22 2015 07:29 Darkencik wrote:
Blizzard is spending so much money on this :o the prize pool + travel and accommodations

i really hope that it works out and Starcraft will become more popular


I think moving that WCS funding here is a smart move and things would've turned out better if they did that from the start. Not that it was completely obvious back then, but the Riot-style model without proper region lock didn't help SC2 much.

Hopefully it will help at this point as you say.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 22 2015 00:29 GMT
#49
Keeping with the tradition of absurdly late announcements. I think it's inappropriate to require people to plan international travel with less than a month notice.
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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
December 22 2015 00:31 GMT
#50
On December 22 2015 09:06 jeeeKyyy wrote:
Personally, i really dont care if koreans play or do not play. I believe SC2 fans should be supporting events like this no matter what they think about the current state of WCS.


I disagree. Basically, if the viewers really drop pretty damn hard, there are two possible outcomes:
1) Blizzard/IEM/RB/DH agree that the system sucks and open up the tournaments to Koreans.
2) IEM/RB/DH think it's the game and not the system and they drop the game. I mean, I'd be really pissed if StarCraft II died because it's the only eSports title I really like watching. However, I could not care less about foreigner only tournaments. Therefore, strictly speaking, whether they play SCII with the current rules at DH or not at all, does not really affect my interest. In both cases it's equal to 0. And under these circumstances, I don't see why I should support a format I don't like at all and that destroyed all the tournaments I liked to watch (-> Korean tournaments are hard to follow, because they're on at... 10:00 AM...)

Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
December 22 2015 00:37 GMT
#51
Finally I will be able to see some faces now
rip passion
ChillingFrog89
Profile Joined October 2015
25 Posts
December 22 2015 00:38 GMT
#52
On December 22 2015 08:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Looks really good, I'm really looking forward to this.

Don't see why everyone is being so negative, there are plenty of Korean leagues if that's what you'd like to see.


Isn't tournament suppose to be a test of competitiveness and skill? what they are doing is avoiding real competition and the most skilled players from korea, Should WCS circuit be called tournament anymore? or renamed as WCS charity ceremony for the less skilled. it is disgraceful for both foreigner and korean to face policy like this
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
December 22 2015 00:40 GMT
#53
It will be a lowtier and boring tournement because the approx 50 best players worldwide are missing. Image this is any other sports...
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
December 22 2015 00:42 GMT
#54
On December 22 2015 09:38 ChillingFrog89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 08:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Looks really good, I'm really looking forward to this.

Don't see why everyone is being so negative, there are plenty of Korean leagues if that's what you'd like to see.


Isn't tournament suppose to be a test of competitiveness and skill? what they are doing is avoiding real competition and the most skilled players from korea, Should WCS circuit be called tournament anymore? or renamed as WCS charity ceremony for the less skilled. it is disgraceful for both foreigner and korean to face policy like this


Competition isn't important to a lot of these people. They just want koreans gone.

rip passion
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 00:47:15
December 22 2015 00:45 GMT
#55
So much missinformation regarding IEM Taiwan in here. IEM Taiwan will be a global event. Oddly though, it doesn't meet the requirements for a global event, such as +16 players and only having $25k prizepool. Maybe IEM Taiwan won't be a WCS point tournament at all.
http://de.intelextrememasters.com/season10/asia/

On December 22 2015 09:06 jeeeKyyy wrote:
Personally, i really dont care if koreans play or do not play. I believe SC2 fans should be supporting events like this no matter what they think about the current state of WCS.

And this guy is right. If you really love StarCraft and have so much passion then you should support our game anyway.
sagi
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland346 Posts
December 22 2015 00:52 GMT
#56
On December 22 2015 09:29 NonY wrote:
Keeping with the tradition of absurdly late announcements. I think it's inappropriate to require people to plan international travel with less than a month notice.


Yeah, seems quite unprofessional. Very inconvenient for potential players. Plus it's also a lot more expensive to book flights so late.
hi patrik!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
December 22 2015 00:58 GMT
#57
On December 22 2015 09:29 NonY wrote:
Keeping with the tradition of absurdly late announcements. I think it's inappropriate to require people to plan international travel with less than a month notice.

yeah, I know you've brought this up in the past but let's hope this was just delayed due to WCS changes and there will be more notice int he future!

stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 22 2015 00:58 GMT
#58
SC2 fans can enjoy what they want, they dont have a moral obligation to watch every event.
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achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 01:19:24
December 22 2015 01:10 GMT
#59
Ah well, I may drop in on the live report thread to see whether it is anything worth while.
On December 22 2015 09:45 BoB_KiLLeR wrote:
So much missinformation regarding IEM Taiwan in here. IEM Taiwan will be a global event. Oddly though, it doesn't meet the requirements for a global event, such as +16 players and only having $25k prizepool. Maybe IEM Taiwan won't be a WCS point tournament at all.
http://de.intelextrememasters.com/season10/asia/

Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 09:06 jeeeKyyy wrote:
Personally, i really dont care if koreans play or do not play. I believe SC2 fans should be supporting events like this no matter what they think about the current state of WCS.

And this guy is right. If you really love StarCraft and have so much passion then you should support our game anyway.

I rather spend that time watching GSL VOD's and such. That, and Hearthstone if they have it at Dreamhack. No region locking there last time I checked.
ChillingFrog89
Profile Joined October 2015
25 Posts
December 22 2015 01:17 GMT
#60
On December 22 2015 09:58 stuchiu wrote:
SC2 fans can enjoy what they want, they dont have a moral obligation to watch every event.


it is disappointing but you are correct, these sc2 tournament is descending from esport which were competitve to merely a event now.
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