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Streaming isn't professional gaming but it allows the match-fixers to earn money by playing game. This can give impression the other players in pro-gaming(Especially the players in lower leagues) that even if they're caught, they won't get any financial problem without changing career. Nothing different to pro-gaming except they cannot run for a team. They even open their own competition.
This is why i (maybe most of Korean fans) personally support KeSPA.
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KeSPA really need to stop waving their corporate finger around in these matters like an egotistical diva with a superiority complex. They have no authority or justification whatsoever to request game streaming sites to ban match-fixers. Streaming a game for entertainment purposes is entirely different to professional competitive gaming.
Nothing about this is going to deter SC2 players from match-fixing in future. Only a strong competitive scene with plenty of tournament opportunities and prize pools that aren't so top-heavy can fix that. And guess what? The SC2 scene does not have that in general; especially not South Korea where you only have GSL, SSL and SPL to compete in, as well as the occasional IEM or Dreamhack tournament going on; provided that you're on a team willing to fly you out across the world.
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's.
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On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
KeSPA really need to stop waving their corporate finger around in these matters like an egotistical diva with a superiority complex. They have no authority or justification whatsoever to request game streaming sites to ban match-fixers. Streaming a game for entertainment purposes is entirely different to professional competitive gaming.
Nothing about this is going to deter SC2 players from match-fixing in future. Only a strong competitive scene with plenty of tournament opportunities and prize pools that aren't so top-heavy can fix that. We wouldn't have had three members of Prime implicated in this scandal in the first place if the coach and his players were able to make ends meet.
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's.
It's not just KeSPA that want players who match fixed being banned from streaming though. It's a move supported by a wide majority of Korean casters, pros and fans. Many prominent casters and pros publicly expressed how disgusted and frustrated they are about seeing sAviOr streaming and going on as if nothing happened after literally breaking the Brood War scene apart.
From my observation, Korean community is much more emotional and angry about the event than the western world.
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On October 21 2015 01:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 01:21 Hot_Bid wrote:
Great. Fuck these guys I hope they get banned from everything. the symptom of the disease is cheaters like this. the disease itsself is that there is no money to be made by playing full time SC2. new guys will come along and do the same damn thing. a couple of symptoms have been treated and the disease keeps on truckin'
This is completely untrue. Match-fixing and cheating are unrelated to the amount of money in said sport. Every sport is potentially subject to them regardless of how big or small it is. How would you explain match-fixing and betting scandals in football/soccer (a sport where there is a lot of money at stake) and in handball (one where there is definitely a lot less money) in recent years to take 2 simple examples?
On to the subject, this may seem a bit harsh from Kespa but I agree that those who were convicted should be prevented from taking part in competition or any kind of professionnal activity related to the game they were caught on, including streaming. This won't solve the issue, but this should deter a few guys for some time, I don't think there are any definitive solution anyway, it's part of sport. It just needs to be dealt with from time to time. I hope Afreeca changes their mind and cooperates, this would be unsightly now that they have a hand on GSL...
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it's a legit thing to demand kespa to raise player pay and whatnot, and the korean scene can support it no doubt especially if they actually try to run a revenue positive business by incorporating streaming.
but as things stand the fact that some of the matchfixers can still profitably stream serves as a stark reminder that it's not that bad to matchfix. kespa is probably better off by doing some work instead of getting jelly but the jelly is rational.
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On October 21 2015 03:43 r_gg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
KeSPA really need to stop waving their corporate finger around in these matters like an egotistical diva with a superiority complex. They have no authority or justification whatsoever to request game streaming sites to ban match-fixers. Streaming a game for entertainment purposes is entirely different to professional competitive gaming.
Nothing about this is going to deter SC2 players from match-fixing in future. Only a strong competitive scene with plenty of tournament opportunities and prize pools that aren't so top-heavy can fix that. We wouldn't have had three members of Prime implicated in this scandal in the first place if the coach and his players were able to make ends meet.
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's. It's not just KeSPA that want players who match fixed being banned from streaming though. It's a move supported by a wide majority of Korean casters, pros and fans. Many prominent casters and pros publicly expressed how disgusted and frustrated they are about seeing sAviOr streaming and going on as if nothing happened after literally breaking the Brood War scene apart. From my observation, Korean community is much more emotional and angry about the event than the western world.
The latter is pretty true regarding Savior as well, a lot of foreign fans don't hate him anymore but my perception of Korea is still that they're pretty against him doing anything.
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On October 21 2015 00:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
No, what's ridiculous is your slippery slope fallacy.
No, what's ridiculous is trying to control the life of people who has already paid for their crimes. I'm as big a fan of StarCraft as anyone and I hate what they did but I would never ever be for what KeSPA is trying to pull.
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On October 21 2015 05:47 Heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 03:43 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
KeSPA really need to stop waving their corporate finger around in these matters like an egotistical diva with a superiority complex. They have no authority or justification whatsoever to request game streaming sites to ban match-fixers. Streaming a game for entertainment purposes is entirely different to professional competitive gaming.
Nothing about this is going to deter SC2 players from match-fixing in future. Only a strong competitive scene with plenty of tournament opportunities and prize pools that aren't so top-heavy can fix that. We wouldn't have had three members of Prime implicated in this scandal in the first place if the coach and his players were able to make ends meet.
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's. It's not just KeSPA that want players who match fixed being banned from streaming though. It's a move supported by a wide majority of Korean casters, pros and fans. Many prominent casters and pros publicly expressed how disgusted and frustrated they are about seeing sAviOr streaming and going on as if nothing happened after literally breaking the Brood War scene apart. From my observation, Korean community is much more emotional and angry about the event than the western world. The latter is pretty true regarding Savior as well, a lot of foreign fans don't hate him anymore but my perception of Korea is still that they're pretty against him doing anything.
comparing community reaction, it's interesting how Korean community is viewing Afreeca to be the big greedy corporate evil and Kespa as the one enforcing justice, while I'm seeing almost a complete opposite in the foreign reaction.
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On October 21 2015 05:53 r_gg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 05:47 Heyoka wrote:On October 21 2015 03:43 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
KeSPA really need to stop waving their corporate finger around in these matters like an egotistical diva with a superiority complex. They have no authority or justification whatsoever to request game streaming sites to ban match-fixers. Streaming a game for entertainment purposes is entirely different to professional competitive gaming.
Nothing about this is going to deter SC2 players from match-fixing in future. Only a strong competitive scene with plenty of tournament opportunities and prize pools that aren't so top-heavy can fix that. We wouldn't have had three members of Prime implicated in this scandal in the first place if the coach and his players were able to make ends meet.
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's. It's not just KeSPA that want players who match fixed being banned from streaming though. It's a move supported by a wide majority of Korean casters, pros and fans. Many prominent casters and pros publicly expressed how disgusted and frustrated they are about seeing sAviOr streaming and going on as if nothing happened after literally breaking the Brood War scene apart. From my observation, Korean community is much more emotional and angry about the event than the western world. The latter is pretty true regarding Savior as well, a lot of foreign fans don't hate him anymore but my perception of Korea is still that they're pretty against him doing anything. comparing community reaction, it's interesting how Korean community is viewing Afreeca to be the big greedy corporate evil and Kespa as the one enforcing justice, while I'm seeing almost a complete opposite in the foreign reaction.
The majority of foreign sc fans have never seen the damage that matchfixing can do.
Personally I hope all these matchfixers never make a dime from SC again and the courts force them to pay back every cent they made from matchfixing, even if they have to work it off in their new jobs.
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On October 21 2015 06:06 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 05:53 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 05:47 Heyoka wrote:On October 21 2015 03:43 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
KeSPA really need to stop waving their corporate finger around in these matters like an egotistical diva with a superiority complex. They have no authority or justification whatsoever to request game streaming sites to ban match-fixers. Streaming a game for entertainment purposes is entirely different to professional competitive gaming.
Nothing about this is going to deter SC2 players from match-fixing in future. Only a strong competitive scene with plenty of tournament opportunities and prize pools that aren't so top-heavy can fix that. We wouldn't have had three members of Prime implicated in this scandal in the first place if the coach and his players were able to make ends meet.
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's. It's not just KeSPA that want players who match fixed being banned from streaming though. It's a move supported by a wide majority of Korean casters, pros and fans. Many prominent casters and pros publicly expressed how disgusted and frustrated they are about seeing sAviOr streaming and going on as if nothing happened after literally breaking the Brood War scene apart. From my observation, Korean community is much more emotional and angry about the event than the western world. The latter is pretty true regarding Savior as well, a lot of foreign fans don't hate him anymore but my perception of Korea is still that they're pretty against him doing anything. comparing community reaction, it's interesting how Korean community is viewing Afreeca to be the big greedy corporate evil and Kespa as the one enforcing justice, while I'm seeing almost a complete opposite in the foreign reaction. The majority of foreign sc fans have never seen the damage that matchfixing can do. Personally I hope all these matchfixers never make a dime from SC again and the courts force them to pay back every cent they made from matchfixing, even if they have to work it off in their new jobs.
yeah, I wasn't there when it happened, but just reading up on how it ripped the scene apart and how shameless the culprits were after the event is absolutely hearth-breaking.
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On October 21 2015 06:06 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 05:53 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 05:47 Heyoka wrote:On October 21 2015 03:43 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
KeSPA really need to stop waving their corporate finger around in these matters like an egotistical diva with a superiority complex. They have no authority or justification whatsoever to request game streaming sites to ban match-fixers. Streaming a game for entertainment purposes is entirely different to professional competitive gaming.
Nothing about this is going to deter SC2 players from match-fixing in future. Only a strong competitive scene with plenty of tournament opportunities and prize pools that aren't so top-heavy can fix that. We wouldn't have had three members of Prime implicated in this scandal in the first place if the coach and his players were able to make ends meet.
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's. It's not just KeSPA that want players who match fixed being banned from streaming though. It's a move supported by a wide majority of Korean casters, pros and fans. Many prominent casters and pros publicly expressed how disgusted and frustrated they are about seeing sAviOr streaming and going on as if nothing happened after literally breaking the Brood War scene apart. From my observation, Korean community is much more emotional and angry about the event than the western world. The latter is pretty true regarding Savior as well, a lot of foreign fans don't hate him anymore but my perception of Korea is still that they're pretty against him doing anything. comparing community reaction, it's interesting how Korean community is viewing Afreeca to be the big greedy corporate evil and Kespa as the one enforcing justice, while I'm seeing almost a complete opposite in the foreign reaction. The majority of foreign sc fans have never seen the damage that matchfixing can do.
Imagine the damage nobody actually saw with their own eyes, which was never put in numbers - sponsors/investors turning away from the idea of funding SC teams/events/whatever because they don't want to be associated.
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On October 21 2015 06:06 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 05:53 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 05:47 Heyoka wrote:On October 21 2015 03:43 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
KeSPA really need to stop waving their corporate finger around in these matters like an egotistical diva with a superiority complex. They have no authority or justification whatsoever to request game streaming sites to ban match-fixers. Streaming a game for entertainment purposes is entirely different to professional competitive gaming.
Nothing about this is going to deter SC2 players from match-fixing in future. Only a strong competitive scene with plenty of tournament opportunities and prize pools that aren't so top-heavy can fix that. We wouldn't have had three members of Prime implicated in this scandal in the first place if the coach and his players were able to make ends meet.
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's. It's not just KeSPA that want players who match fixed being banned from streaming though. It's a move supported by a wide majority of Korean casters, pros and fans. Many prominent casters and pros publicly expressed how disgusted and frustrated they are about seeing sAviOr streaming and going on as if nothing happened after literally breaking the Brood War scene apart. From my observation, Korean community is much more emotional and angry about the event than the western world. The latter is pretty true regarding Savior as well, a lot of foreign fans don't hate him anymore but my perception of Korea is still that they're pretty against him doing anything. comparing community reaction, it's interesting how Korean community is viewing Afreeca to be the big greedy corporate evil and Kespa as the one enforcing justice, while I'm seeing almost a complete opposite in the foreign reaction. The majority of foreign sc fans have never seen the damage that matchfixing can do. Personally I hope all these matchfixers never make a dime from SC again and the courts force them to pay back every cent they made from matchfixing, even if they have to work it off in their new jobs.
The ban from streaming sites will do far more than prevent them from making a dime off SC again; it'll prevent them from making a dime from any gaming stream content in general; even if it's purely for entertainment rather than competitive play.
You won't be able to see... say... sAviOr or YoDa pick up Minecraft or DayZ and become a popular streamer in those games; and it's the fact that KeSPA are trying to police their activity outside of professional SC that disgusts me.
On October 21 2015 06:23 r_gg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 06:06 iamho wrote:On October 21 2015 05:53 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 05:47 Heyoka wrote:On October 21 2015 03:43 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
KeSPA really need to stop waving their corporate finger around in these matters like an egotistical diva with a superiority complex. They have no authority or justification whatsoever to request game streaming sites to ban match-fixers. Streaming a game for entertainment purposes is entirely different to professional competitive gaming.
Nothing about this is going to deter SC2 players from match-fixing in future. Only a strong competitive scene with plenty of tournament opportunities and prize pools that aren't so top-heavy can fix that. We wouldn't have had three members of Prime implicated in this scandal in the first place if the coach and his players were able to make ends meet.
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's. It's not just KeSPA that want players who match fixed being banned from streaming though. It's a move supported by a wide majority of Korean casters, pros and fans. Many prominent casters and pros publicly expressed how disgusted and frustrated they are about seeing sAviOr streaming and going on as if nothing happened after literally breaking the Brood War scene apart. From my observation, Korean community is much more emotional and angry about the event than the western world. The latter is pretty true regarding Savior as well, a lot of foreign fans don't hate him anymore but my perception of Korea is still that they're pretty against him doing anything. comparing community reaction, it's interesting how Korean community is viewing Afreeca to be the big greedy corporate evil and Kespa as the one enforcing justice, while I'm seeing almost a complete opposite in the foreign reaction. The majority of foreign sc fans have never seen the damage that matchfixing can do. Personally I hope all these matchfixers never make a dime from SC again and the courts force them to pay back every cent they made from matchfixing, even if they have to work it off in their new jobs. yeah, I wasn't there when it happened, but just reading up on how it ripped the scene apart and how shameless the culprits were after the event is absolutely hearth-breaking.
How do we know they were shameless? More often than not, we didn't even get to see the culprit's perspectives of the whole scandal. For all we know, the progamers implicated may genuinely be remorseful about their actions.
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On October 21 2015 06:35 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 06:06 iamho wrote:On October 21 2015 05:53 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 05:47 Heyoka wrote:On October 21 2015 03:43 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
KeSPA really need to stop waving their corporate finger around in these matters like an egotistical diva with a superiority complex. They have no authority or justification whatsoever to request game streaming sites to ban match-fixers. Streaming a game for entertainment purposes is entirely different to professional competitive gaming.
Nothing about this is going to deter SC2 players from match-fixing in future. Only a strong competitive scene with plenty of tournament opportunities and prize pools that aren't so top-heavy can fix that. We wouldn't have had three members of Prime implicated in this scandal in the first place if the coach and his players were able to make ends meet.
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's. It's not just KeSPA that want players who match fixed being banned from streaming though. It's a move supported by a wide majority of Korean casters, pros and fans. Many prominent casters and pros publicly expressed how disgusted and frustrated they are about seeing sAviOr streaming and going on as if nothing happened after literally breaking the Brood War scene apart. From my observation, Korean community is much more emotional and angry about the event than the western world. The latter is pretty true regarding Savior as well, a lot of foreign fans don't hate him anymore but my perception of Korea is still that they're pretty against him doing anything. comparing community reaction, it's interesting how Korean community is viewing Afreeca to be the big greedy corporate evil and Kespa as the one enforcing justice, while I'm seeing almost a complete opposite in the foreign reaction. The majority of foreign sc fans have never seen the damage that matchfixing can do. Personally I hope all these matchfixers never make a dime from SC again and the courts force them to pay back every cent they made from matchfixing, even if they have to work it off in their new jobs. The ban from streaming sites will do far more than prevent them from making a dime off SC again; it'll prevent them from making a dime from any gaming stream content in general; even if it's purely for entertainment rather than competitive play. You won't be able to see... say... sAviOr or YoDa pick up Minecraft or DayZ and become a popular streamer in those games; and it's the fact that KeSPA are trying to police their activity outside of professional SC that disgusts me. Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 06:23 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 06:06 iamho wrote:On October 21 2015 05:53 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 05:47 Heyoka wrote:On October 21 2015 03:43 r_gg wrote:On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
KeSPA really need to stop waving their corporate finger around in these matters like an egotistical diva with a superiority complex. They have no authority or justification whatsoever to request game streaming sites to ban match-fixers. Streaming a game for entertainment purposes is entirely different to professional competitive gaming.
Nothing about this is going to deter SC2 players from match-fixing in future. Only a strong competitive scene with plenty of tournament opportunities and prize pools that aren't so top-heavy can fix that. We wouldn't have had three members of Prime implicated in this scandal in the first place if the coach and his players were able to make ends meet.
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's. It's not just KeSPA that want players who match fixed being banned from streaming though. It's a move supported by a wide majority of Korean casters, pros and fans. Many prominent casters and pros publicly expressed how disgusted and frustrated they are about seeing sAviOr streaming and going on as if nothing happened after literally breaking the Brood War scene apart. From my observation, Korean community is much more emotional and angry about the event than the western world. The latter is pretty true regarding Savior as well, a lot of foreign fans don't hate him anymore but my perception of Korea is still that they're pretty against him doing anything. comparing community reaction, it's interesting how Korean community is viewing Afreeca to be the big greedy corporate evil and Kespa as the one enforcing justice, while I'm seeing almost a complete opposite in the foreign reaction. The majority of foreign sc fans have never seen the damage that matchfixing can do. Personally I hope all these matchfixers never make a dime from SC again and the courts force them to pay back every cent they made from matchfixing, even if they have to work it off in their new jobs. yeah, I wasn't there when it happened, but just reading up on how it ripped the scene apart and how shameless the culprits were after the event is absolutely hearth-breaking. How do we know they were shameless? More often than not, we didn't even get to see the culprit's perspectives of the whole scandal. For all we know, the progamers implicated may genuinely be remorseful about their actions.
There are two streamers currently who has done match fixing. Savior and Hwasin.
Savior always have been claimed that he was innocent because what is did was only brokering match fixing, not actual match fixed by himself. This shows how shameless he is. He had even wrote a fake diary that he was so upset due to he loses, and intended to show it to other teammates and coaches by leaving it opened to their practice area, before the match fixing scandal.
And the other one, Hwasin, tried to host a tournament recently. Also when he did his first stream, on his internet browser's favorite bar, there was a betting site's address. I don't think he feels shameful on anything he has done.
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Yes justice won! The law was enforced letting a bs organization pull revenge against someone is not something that should be encouraged.
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On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's.
And I feel the exact opposite. I'm frankly outraged that Afreeca is NOT clamping down on this because it sends a message that they're happy to support matchfixers.
If they really were some random streaming service, as you keep implying, then that would be one thing. But this is the company that has the right to the next GSL. It is absurd and completely incompatible for them to both be supporting matchfixers and handling the GSL.
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Imagine if some scandal broke out that destroyed some western teams, not just some no names but major ones like TeamLiquid or EG. Then the people responsible just goes back on Twitch a few months later streaming games or asking for ad money and donations.
It's a morally gray area what the appropriate punishment is, banning people from professional sports for life happens often when there is some gross violation, but you can't easily make money using social media / crowd funding or streaming services related to the sport you were banned from with traditional sports.
It's not like Savior or Hwasin or Yoda can't stay low and get other gaming or entertainment related jobs, they would be met with hostility and suspicion (which may or may not be appropriate) from the employer, but it's not impossible. If the complaint is just that they lost their primary source of income... All progamers that retire have to do a drastic career switch when they retire, it's not limited to matchfixers.
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its unbelievable how people dont see how damaging having match fixers continuously stream is to the industry.
most people on tl are here because of their love for games and esports, yet the are condoning this kind of shit despite the fact that it is destroying the very sport they love. not sure if ignorance, hypocrisy or just troll
kespa is a government organisation that oversees esports in korea. in their efforts to develop standards and regulations that would help esports be recognised over the world as a proper sporting industry, theyve done a lot of things which have had mixed reactions from fans. but this is their job. theyre supposed to protect the esports industry from shit like this so that the industry can stay sustainable and you idiots can actually enjoy watching live professional sc (or any other game).
not one person got actual jail time from the first match fixing scandal. some of them were only slapped with a fine; didnt even get probation on a sentence.
so match fixer rigs games -> makes a lot of money -> gets caught one day -> pays a fine and maybe gets a probationary period + ban -> continues to make more money by streaming
if the above stays true for all future match fixers too, why the fk would any progamer want to continue playing legit when they can just make money ez by rigging games?
if there is no stricter punishment for match fixers then there will ALWAYS be incentive for progamers to make more money by participating in illegal activities. this is exactly what kespa is trying to prevent; a continued source of income through gaming for match fixers.
how is this so fking hard to understand?
kespa is well within their rights to ASK afreeca to ban matchfixers that are constantly damaging the sustainability of the industry kespa is looking after. should they wish to pursue this further with blizzard and court rulings, again, it is still well within their rights.
honestly, it is massively disappointing that afreeca has decided not to comply with kespas request. but i cant say it wasnt expected. the people who run afreeca arent exactly model businessmen, i mean some of the shit they allow to be broadcast is just straight up retarded.
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On October 21 2015 09:02 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 03:36 Clbull wrote:
It actually disgusts me that Twitch have complied with KeSPA's request too, and it's reached the point where I'm tempted to stop using their platform and start investing in Afreeca's. And I feel the exact opposite. I'm frankly outraged that Afreeca is NOT clamping down on this because it sends a message that they're happy to support matchfixers. If they really were some random streaming service, as you keep implying, then that would be one thing. But this is the company that has the right to the next GSL. It is absurd and completely incompatible for them to both be supporting matchfixers and handling the GSL.
What does "supporting matchfixers" even mean? Streaming platforms give people a tool to, well stream their gameplay to get viewers. PEOPLE watching support this, not the streaming platform.
And even if you wanna say this is already supporting them, so what? If someone fixed a match he shouldn't be allowed to stream gameplay anymore? Why?
People really have weird point of views here imo
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people dont have a problem with them streaming games. they can stream their gameplay to their group of friends and no one would give a shit
the problem is that they are MAKING MONEY through the streams. they are still essentially 'progamers'.
match fixers continuously making money through gaming is wrong. the aim isnt to ban them from streaming in general, its to prevent them from making money. it just so happens that a streaming ban is necessary to make this possible
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No they are not progamers, they are streamers and if people want to watch that (and give money to that) then they can.
Streaming is ONLY entertainment, this isn't competetive gaming.
Blame (if you want) the people who watch these guys then, no matchfixer would get any money from streaming if there wasn't demand to watch it.
The matchfixing problem is largely based on progamers getting not enough money from their teams.
This is a self made problem and if Kespa really cares so much about it, maybe they should try to change that aspect.
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