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Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting. As of page 54 we will be moderating against match fixing accusations for players who were not caught in this incident, including those using voided Pinnacle bets as evidence. |
your Country52797 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:14 BreAKerTV wrote: I've heard some things about Bboong Bboong from a B-teamer friend of mine... Wonder if he's on the list? I doubt it, since he would probably have been lumped in with Yoda and Gerrard.
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On October 19 2015 10:14 BreAKerTV wrote: I've heard some things about Bboong Bboong from a B-teamer friend of mine... Wonder if he's on the list? Wouldn't be terribly surprising. As a Prime player he's already suspect. Given he's the only one who hasn't publicly left the team already that's even more damning
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:08 DCStarcraftGall wrote: Things to be covered by the Changwon Attorney General at 11 o'clock KST
1. explain charges and investigation steps through reported facts 2. Trash who participated in match fixing (exception of Yoda and Gerrard) will only have age and initials (basically name tbh) released 3. Kespa looked into Yoda and Gerrard, which is why it was released earlier from them 4. total of 11 has been charged. (9 arrested and indicted, 2 not arrested but indicted) 5. There has been cases of fixing on Under Over time (will be briefed.)
I... honestly don't know what to say. SC2 seemed to be increasing in popularity in Korea. I don't... why...?
1. 보도자료를 통해 수사과정 및 혐의설명 2. 승부조작가담 인원 전체이름은 표기안되며 성씨와 나이만 나옴 3. 박외식,최병현은 케스파가 확인한사항이라 알고있던것임 4. 총 11명(구속기소 9 불구속기소 2) 5. 언더오버 시간에 대한 승부조작도 포함되어있음(이것도 브리핑예정)
These 11 people are all players? No
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On October 19 2015 10:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:08 DCStarcraftGall wrote: Things to be covered by the Changwon Attorney General at 11 o'clock KST
1. explain charges and investigation steps through reported facts 2. Trash who participated in match fixing (exception of Yoda and Gerrard) will only have age and initials (basically name tbh) released 3. Kespa looked into Yoda and Gerrard, which is why it was released earlier from them 4. total of 11 has been charged. (9 arrested and indicted, 2 not arrested but indicted) 5. There has been cases of fixing on Under Over time (will be briefed.)
I... honestly don't know what to say. SC2 seemed to be increasing in popularity in Korea. I don't... why...?
1. 보도자료를 통해 수사과정 및 혐의설명 2. 승부조작가담 인원 전체이름은 표기안되며 성씨와 나이만 나옴 3. 박외식,최병현은 케스파가 확인한사항이라 알고있던것임 4. 총 11명(구속기소 9 불구속기소 2) 5. 언더오버 시간에 대한 승부조작도 포함되어있음(이것도 브리핑예정)
These 11 people are all players? Edit: nvm
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your Country52797 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:08 DCStarcraftGall wrote: Things to be covered by the Changwon Attorney General at 11 o'clock KST
1. explain charges and investigation steps through reported facts 2. Trash who participated in match fixing (exception of Yoda and Gerrard) will only have age and initials (basically name tbh) released 3. Kespa looked into Yoda and Gerrard, which is why it was released earlier from them 4. total of 11 has been charged. (9 arrested and indicted, 2 not arrested but indicted) 5. There has been cases of fixing on Under Over time (will be briefed.)
I... honestly don't know what to say. SC2 seemed to be increasing in popularity in Korea. I don't... why...?
1. 보도자료를 통해 수사과정 및 혐의설명 2. 승부조작가담 인원 전체이름은 표기안되며 성씨와 나이만 나옴 3. 박외식,최병현은 케스파가 확인한사항이라 알고있던것임 4. 총 11명(구속기소 9 불구속기소 2) 5. 언더오버 시간에 대한 승부조작도 포함되어있음(이것도 브리핑예정)
These 11 people are all players? Probably not.
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On October 19 2015 10:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:08 DCStarcraftGall wrote: Things to be covered by the Changwon Attorney General at 11 o'clock KST
1. explain charges and investigation steps through reported facts 2. Trash who participated in match fixing (exception of Yoda and Gerrard) will only have age and initials (basically name tbh) released 3. Kespa looked into Yoda and Gerrard, which is why it was released earlier from them 4. total of 11 has been charged. (9 arrested and indicted, 2 not arrested but indicted) 5. There has been cases of fixing on Under Over time (will be briefed.)
I... honestly don't know what to say. SC2 seemed to be increasing in popularity in Korea. I don't... why...?
1. 보도자료를 통해 수사과정 및 혐의설명 2. 승부조작가담 인원 전체이름은 표기안되며 성씨와 나이만 나옴 3. 박외식,최병현은 케스파가 확인한사항이라 알고있던것임 4. 총 11명(구속기소 9 불구속기소 2) 5. 언더오버 시간에 대한 승부조작도 포함되어있음(이것도 브리핑예정)
These 11 people are all players? Couldn't tell from the article itself
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Katowice25012 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:00 StarGalaxy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 09:56 Heyoka wrote:On October 19 2015 09:53 StarGalaxy wrote: TL admins closed that threat shortly after and gave me a bullshit answer that pinnacle did not void the bet and that there would be no point talking about it. It is really sad how censorship is back in so many places. Even here in a TL forum where you least expect it the admins decide what is worthy to discuss and what not. Can you tell me where someone from TL told you that? I don't see it anywhere in the thread. Sure i can post the pm: From: NovemberstOrm TL Staff [ 15589 posts | Profile ] Subject: Re: thread closing Date: 3/18/15 00:51 Hi, we the moderators have decided to close this thread do people posting matchfixing accusations, going into offtopic discussion, and with nothing new coming of it, it seems pointless to keep this discussion going, if there is new information revealed a new thread will be created Original Message From StarGalaxy: Hey, why did you close that thread? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns?page=54#I provided solid information and i don't see a reason why there shouldn't be a discussion about it. best regards, SG From: NovemberstOrm TL Staff [ 15589 posts | Profile ] Subject: Re: thread closing Date: 3/18/15 01:47 Pinnacle didn't cancel the bet though. Sharing it in the LR might not be good of an idea either(big shitstorm), I don't see anything wrong with posting it in blogs though, i'll see what some of the other moderators think Original Message From StarGalaxy: well i provided new information from todays pro league match in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns?page=52#1034
You showed another line with weird movement - esports is a small world and weird movement is not that unusual - and then said "It is very likely that the match between Yoda and Bunny was match fixed today," implying your knowledge from seeing one thing is more than Pinnacle's information (a site who has shown ability and interest in canceling suspicious activity before). I don't think it's fair to say this is enough new information to keep that thread open, it was a long going thread with tons of mud slinging based on incredibly light evidence with accusations that serve to do nothing but tear down possible innocent people - Plexa's example of SangHo is on point. This is not some 1984 scenario.
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Doesn't say 11 players. Just 11 people. One of whom we already know isn't a player. (Gerrard never played a match, he's just been a coach.)
So far, for people who have been named, it's been 50-50 player/non-player.
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On October 19 2015 10:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:08 DCStarcraftGall wrote: Things to be covered by the Changwon Attorney General at 11 o'clock KST
1. explain charges and investigation steps through reported facts 2. Trash who participated in match fixing (exception of Yoda and Gerrard) will only have age and initials (basically name tbh) released 3. Kespa looked into Yoda and Gerrard, which is why it was released earlier from them 4. total of 11 has been charged. (9 arrested and indicted, 2 not arrested but indicted) 5. There has been cases of fixing on Under Over time (will be briefed.)
I... honestly don't know what to say. SC2 seemed to be increasing in popularity in Korea. I don't... why...?
1. 보도자료를 통해 수사과정 및 혐의설명 2. 승부조작가담 인원 전체이름은 표기안되며 성씨와 나이만 나옴 3. 박외식,최병현은 케스파가 확인한사항이라 알고있던것임 4. 총 11명(구속기소 9 불구속기소 2) 5. 언더오버 시간에 대한 승부조작도 포함되어있음(이것도 브리핑예정)
These 11 people are all players? we don't know yet. most likely some betboys as well.
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On October 19 2015 10:14 RevTiberius wrote:Here's my latest blog entry about this, my point if view is probably a little different from the opinions expressed here in this thread: revtiberius.blogspot.comOver the past half hour or so it has emerged that 11 players (unclear if SC1 or SC2) have been indicted for match fixing. That is very troubling, and I hope the players will be brought to justice. What's equally troubling though, and here I'm singling out Nathanias is that some e-sports "personalities" have already taken to Twitter with inappropriate comments: I have no sympathy for the alleged cheaters whatsoever, but I'd like Nathanias to get off his high horse here. SC2 personalities in particular - due to their (sometimes undeserved) large followings have a special responsibility to be moderate and even-handed in their public comments. Or they might as well apply for a job at Fox News. Especially when all that's known at this point is that there seems to be a scandal. Already calling for draconian punishment when really there aren't any facts on the table yet in my opinion is character assassination. At least wait until the names of the players are released, and more details about their actual or alleged crimes are given. Therefore, even if only to protect my own image as a competent commentator of the Starcraft scene, Nathanias shouldn't rush to Twitter all that quickly.
I kind of wish you could downvote posts on here. lol
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On October 19 2015 10:16 felisconcolori wrote: Doesn't say 11 players. Just 11 people. One of whom we already know isn't a player. (Gerrard never played a match, he's just been a coach.)
So far, for people who have been named, it's been 50-50 player/non-player. gerrard has played. 0-2 vs clide HeHe
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On October 19 2015 10:17 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:16 felisconcolori wrote: Doesn't say 11 players. Just 11 people. One of whom we already know isn't a player. (Gerrard never played a match, he's just been a coach.)
So far, for people who have been named, it's been 50-50 player/non-player. gerrard has played. 0-2 vs clide HeHe
When did that happen? I'd expect Barbie to play before Gerrard!
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On October 19 2015 10:14 RevTiberius wrote:Here's my latest blog entry about this, my point if view is probably a little different from the opinions expressed here in this thread: revtiberius.blogspot.comOver the past half hour or so it has emerged that 11 players (unclear if SC1 or SC2) have been indicted for match fixing. That is very troubling, and I hope the players will be brought to justice. What's equally troubling though, and here I'm singling out Nathanias is that some e-sports "personalities" have already taken to Twitter with inappropriate comments: I have no sympathy for the alleged cheaters whatsoever, but I'd like Nathanias to get off his high horse here. SC2 personalities in particular - due to their (sometimes undeserved) large followings have a special responsibility to be moderate and even-handed in their public comments. Or they might as well apply for a job at Fox News. Especially when all that's known at this point is that there seems to be a scandal. Already calling for draconian punishment when really there aren't any facts on the table yet in my opinion is character assassination. At least wait until the names of the players are released, and more details about their actual or alleged crimes are given. Therefore, even if only to protect my own image as a competent commentator of the Starcraft scene, Nathanias shouldn't rush to Twitter all that quickly. Why are you upset about what Nathanias said? 11 people (don't know how many players) were cheating and damaging the integrity of the scene, and now they're getting their just desserts for breaking the law.
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On October 19 2015 10:17 RaymondFish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:14 RevTiberius wrote:Here's my latest blog entry about this, my point if view is probably a little different from the opinions expressed here in this thread: revtiberius.blogspot.comOver the past half hour or so it has emerged that 11 players (unclear if SC1 or SC2) have been indicted for match fixing. That is very troubling, and I hope the players will be brought to justice. What's equally troubling though, and here I'm singling out Nathanias is that some e-sports "personalities" have already taken to Twitter with inappropriate comments: I have no sympathy for the alleged cheaters whatsoever, but I'd like Nathanias to get off his high horse here. SC2 personalities in particular - due to their (sometimes undeserved) large followings have a special responsibility to be moderate and even-handed in their public comments. Or they might as well apply for a job at Fox News. Especially when all that's known at this point is that there seems to be a scandal. Already calling for draconian punishment when really there aren't any facts on the table yet in my opinion is character assassination. At least wait until the names of the players are released, and more details about their actual or alleged crimes are given. Therefore, even if only to protect my own image as a competent commentator of the Starcraft scene, Nathanias shouldn't rush to Twitter all that quickly. I kind of wish you could downvote posts on here. lol
Im with OP on this one Nate should have kept his mouth shut.
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On October 19 2015 10:17 RaymondFish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:14 RevTiberius wrote:Here's my latest blog entry about this, my point if view is probably a little different from the opinions expressed here in this thread: revtiberius.blogspot.comOver the past half hour or so it has emerged that 11 players (unclear if SC1 or SC2) have been indicted for match fixing. That is very troubling, and I hope the players will be brought to justice. What's equally troubling though, and here I'm singling out Nathanias is that some e-sports "personalities" have already taken to Twitter with inappropriate comments: I have no sympathy for the alleged cheaters whatsoever, but I'd like Nathanias to get off his high horse here. SC2 personalities in particular - due to their (sometimes undeserved) large followings have a special responsibility to be moderate and even-handed in their public comments. Or they might as well apply for a job at Fox News. Especially when all that's known at this point is that there seems to be a scandal. Already calling for draconian punishment when really there aren't any facts on the table yet in my opinion is character assassination. At least wait until the names of the players are released, and more details about their actual or alleged crimes are given. Therefore, even if only to protect my own image as a competent commentator of the Starcraft scene, Nathanias shouldn't rush to Twitter all that quickly. I kind of wish you could downvote posts on here. lol
So true. Wasted 1 Minute of reading it.
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On October 19 2015 10:17 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:16 felisconcolori wrote: Doesn't say 11 players. Just 11 people. One of whom we already know isn't a player. (Gerrard never played a match, he's just been a coach.)
So far, for people who have been named, it's been 50-50 player/non-player. gerrard has played. 0-2 vs clide HeHe What race was gerrard lol?
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It's no coincidence that those getting in trouble are those with nothing to lose. A struggling organization with decent but not top players desperate for sponsors and needs to get money somehow fell into the match fixing trap. I have a bit of sympathy, but honestly better to leave esports then to get by in this way
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On October 19 2015 10:18 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:17 Wintex wrote:On October 19 2015 10:16 felisconcolori wrote: Doesn't say 11 players. Just 11 people. One of whom we already know isn't a player. (Gerrard never played a match, he's just been a coach.)
So far, for people who have been named, it's been 50-50 player/non-player. gerrard has played. 0-2 vs clide HeHe When did that happen? I'd expect Barbie to play before Gerrard! 2010.
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your Country52797 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:18 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:17 Wintex wrote:On October 19 2015 10:16 felisconcolori wrote: Doesn't say 11 players. Just 11 people. One of whom we already know isn't a player. (Gerrard never played a match, he's just been a coach.)
So far, for people who have been named, it's been 50-50 player/non-player. gerrard has played. 0-2 vs clide HeHe When did that happen? I'd expect Barbie to play before Gerrard! He played a bit in ShoutCraft IIRC, other than that very little.
On October 19 2015 10:19 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 10:17 Wintex wrote:On October 19 2015 10:16 felisconcolori wrote: Doesn't say 11 players. Just 11 people. One of whom we already know isn't a player. (Gerrard never played a match, he's just been a coach.)
So far, for people who have been named, it's been 50-50 player/non-player. gerrard has played. 0-2 vs clide HeHe What race was gerrard lol? zerg
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