EPTYoDa, B4, Gerrard arrested for match-fixing - Page 7
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Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting. As of page 54 we will be moderating against match fixing accusations for players who were not caught in this incident, including those using voided Pinnacle bets as evidence. | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
On October 19 2015 09:56 Plexa wrote: Uh, we make no secret that we moderate strictly and decide what content we want discussed here. Unfortunately when it comes to these kinds of accusations they can be career ending/severely damaging. The research conducted in that thread wasn't going to influence whatever happened in the Korean scene, the authorities would be conducting their own investigations into the matter. Sangho/Killer was one of those caught in the crossfire of the last major match fixing scandal. Despite being completely innocent, the community thought he fixed a famous game on Outsider (because of how he blundered away a virtually won game). This ultimately lead to his retirement from BW. This is the damage false accusations can have, and hence why we closed the last thread. I am aware that is is a very serious issue. That's the reason I put a lot of effort without any gain for me personally into a post to inform the public. I was careful not to make proofless allegations. Bettors were getting screwed over by fixed matches and I had the knowledge already. I thought this was something people should know about. It was not intended for the koreans authorities as I had no solid proof other than a sound analyis that showed something wrong was going on. I am also aware that it was possibly damaging for the involved players but even with that possibility I think it is always better to discuss it than to sweep it under the carpet. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:08 Yorkie wrote: I don't remember when Innovation was involved in a wonky Pinnacle line, but I'd bet a ton of money he's innocent. He may have just been the winner against a player who was involved without knowing about any shady stuff Inno vs Super. It was a Bo5. The shady line was on the first game for Inno to lose, which happened. Inno then won the next 3 games in a row. This means that Inno could actually have been involved at betting against himself and deliberately throwing first game, then just killing Super and advancing on. Obviously this is only speculation, and we'll find out the full list in 49 mins. All I am saying is that the evidence around that particular match actually does not look so good for Inno. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Inno vs Super. It was a Bo5. The shady line was on the first game for Inno to lose, which happened. Inno then won the next 3 games in a row. This means that Inno could actually have been involved at betting against himself and deliberately throwing first game, then just killing Super and advancing on. Obviously this is only speculation, and we'll find out the full list in 49 mins. All I am saying is that the evidence around that particular match actually does not look so good for Inno. Was a bo3 | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Inno vs Super. It was a Bo5. The shady line was on the first game for Inno to lose, which happened. Inno then won the next 3 games in a row. This means that Inno could actually have been involved at betting against himself and deliberately throwing first game, then just killing Super and advancing on. Obviously this is only speculation, and we'll find out the full list in 49 mins. All I am saying is that the evidence around that particular match actually does not look so good for Inno. It was a bo3, not bo5. I'm not sure what to think about that game, will wait on that one. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:09 WTCO wrote: Until the loss of sponsors and fans coming to matches means they have to shut down There'll still be hype from LotV being released. It's better to get this scandal out now than later. | ||
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Inno vs Super. It was a Bo5. The shady line was on the first game for Inno to lose, which happened. Inno then won the next 3 games in a row. This means that Inno could actually have been involved at betting against himself and deliberately throwing first game, then just killing Super and advancing on. Obviously this is only speculation, and we'll find out the full list in 49 mins. All I am saying is that the evidence around that particular match actually does not look so good for Inno. this sounds mostly correct but I am almost positive it was a Bo3, and Inno went LWW, and someone bet pretty strongly knowing he would lose the first map. even still, if you told me Inno didn't throw it and there were some other strange circumstances that account for the betting, I'd believe you. Hell, even if Inno did throw the map, I bet he's not named in this indictment. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:11 The_Templar wrote: It was a bo3, not bo5. I'm not sure what to think about that game, will wait on that one. Inno dropping a map to a Protoss in shaky period of his career? Yeah sounds like INno tbh nothing shady. | ||
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CFCryptos
United States70 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10344 Posts
On October 19 2015 09:53 StarGalaxy wrote: Well I think a lot of people in the betting scene already knew that Yoda was involved. I did some analysis some time ago: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns?page=52#1034 TL admins closed that threat shortly after and gave me a bullshit answer that pinnacle did not void the bet and that there would be no point talking about it. It is really sad how censorship is back in so many places. Even here in a TL forum where you least expect it the admins decide what is worthy to discuss and what not. That was very impressive analysis by the way. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:12 Popkiller wrote: this sounds mostly correct but I am almost positive it was a Bo3, and Inno went LWW, and someone bet pretty strongly knowing he would lose the first map. Indeed it was a Bo3. My mistake. Otherwise though I think everything I said was correct. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:08 DCStarcraftGall wrote: Things to be covered by the Changwon Attorney General at 11 o'clock KST 1. explain charges and investigation steps through reported facts 2. Trash who participated in match fixing (exception of Yoda and Gerrard) will only have age and initials (basically name tbh) released 3. Kespa looked into Yoda and Gerrard, which is why it was released earlier from them 4. total of 11 has been charged. (9 arrested and indicted, 2 not arrested but indicted) 5. There has been cases of fixing on Under Over time (will be briefed.) I... honestly don't know what to say. SC2 seemed to be increasing in popularity in Korea. I don't... why...? 1. 보도자료를 통해 수사과정 및 혐의설명 2. 승부조작가담 인원 전체이름은 표기안되며 성씨와 나이만 나옴 3. 박외식,최병현은 케스파가 확인한사항이라 알고있던것임 4. 총 11명(구속기소 9 불구속기소 2) 5. 언더오버 시간에 대한 승부조작도 포함되어있음(이것도 브리핑예정) Please LR-Thread of the press conference! This thread will be me messy unless someone updates OP with every new info during the conference. And yeah, Age+initials of the name will give the players, if more players are in charge. | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:13 Clonester wrote: Please LR-Thread of the press conference! This thread will be me messy unless someone updates OP with every new info during the conference. And yeah, Age+initials of the name will give the players, if more players are in charge. You dont think I can handle it? | ||
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Coypirus
119 Posts
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RevTiberius
Canada353 Posts
revtiberius.blogspot.com Over the past half hour or so it has emerged that 11 players (unclear if SC1 or SC2) have been indicted for match fixing. That is very troubling, and I hope the players will be brought to justice. What's equally troubling though, and here I'm singling out Nathanias is that some e-sports "personalities" have already taken to Twitter with inappropriate comments: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1UDT7qd.jpg) I have no sympathy for the alleged cheaters whatsoever, but I'd like Nathanias to get off his high horse here. SC2 personalities in particular - due to their (sometimes undeserved) large followings have a special responsibility to be moderate and even-handed in their public comments. Or they might as well apply for a job at Fox News. Especially when all that's known at this point is that there seems to be a scandal. Already calling for draconian punishment when really there aren't any facts on the table yet in my opinion is character assassination. At least wait until the names of the players are released, and more details about their actual or alleged crimes are given. Therefore, even if only to protect my own image as a competent commentator of the Starcraft scene, Nathanias shouldn't rush to Twitter all that quickly. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50595 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:08 DCStarcraftGall wrote: Things to be covered by the Changwon Attorney General at 11 o'clock KST 1. explain charges and investigation steps through reported facts 2. Trash who participated in match fixing (exception of Yoda and Gerrard) will only have age and initials (basically name tbh) released 3. Kespa looked into Yoda and Gerrard, which is why it was released earlier from them 4. total of 11 has been charged. (9 arrested and indicted, 2 not arrested but indicted) 5. There has been cases of fixing on Under Over time (will be briefed.) I... honestly don't know what to say. SC2 seemed to be increasing in popularity in Korea. I don't... why...? 1. 보도자료를 통해 수사과정 및 혐의설명 2. 승부조작가담 인원 전체이름은 표기안되며 성씨와 나이만 나옴 3. 박외식,최병현은 케스파가 확인한사항이라 알고있던것임 4. 총 11명(구속기소 9 불구속기소 2) 5. 언더오버 시간에 대한 승부조작도 포함되어있음(이것도 브리핑예정) These 11 people are all players? | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On October 19 2015 10:14 Coypirus wrote: Idc as long as it isn't MKP It isn't, don't worry | ||
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