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YoDa, B4, Gerrard arrested for match-fixing - Page 5

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Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting.

As of page 54 we will be moderating against match fixing accusations for players who were not caught in this incident, including those using voided Pinnacle bets as evidence.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
October 19 2015 00:58 GMT
#81
On October 19 2015 09:52 Yorkie wrote:
Pls no: Losira, Bomber, Life

there's a super small possibility of bomber or life doing this.
The Bomber boy
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
October 19 2015 00:58 GMT
#82
On October 19 2015 09:50 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:45 LongShot27 wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:44 Yorkie wrote:
Keen and Byun just bailed out of Prime, not sure if they're involved and jumped ship or if they left as soon as they found out what was going down (of they would have known earlier today/yesterday before it went public)


Unless Byun has been betting against himself in Leifeng cup I doubt theres anything one could even implicate him on.

Could get in trouble just for knowing about it and not speaking up. He was a part of the team despite never playing in PL


Byun hasn't been an active part of Prime for over a year, IIRC. Doesn't live with the team, doesn't really talk to them that much - I think it's conceivable that he (and KeeN) were given a heads up that something was coming and bailed out before the announcement. (A heads up not from Prime - I assure you if there are indictments, they probably were interviewed and saw the hammer coming. Or found out about things Gerrard might have been doing that they didn't know about and disagreed with strongly, and bailed.)

Lots of conjecture, but I don't think they were involved. Byun, at least, as he's been only loosely involved with SC2 for awhile - doesn't even stream frequently. (He mentioned it being addictive once.)
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shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
October 19 2015 00:58 GMT
#83
I wonder how did they get caught.
AKMU / IU
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
October 19 2015 00:58 GMT
#84
On October 19 2015 09:57 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:56 Plexa wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:53 StarGalaxy wrote:
Well I think a lot of people in the betting scene already knew that Yoda was involved.

I did some analysis some time ago: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns?page=52#1034

TL admins closed that threat shortly after and gave me a bullshit answer that pinnacle did not void the bet and that there would be no point talking about it. It is really sad how censorship is back in so many places. Even here in a TL forum where you least expect it the admins decide what is worthy to discuss and what not.
Uh, we make no secret that we moderate strictly and decide what content we want discussed here. Unfortunately when it comes to these kinds of accusations they can be career ending/severely damaging. The research conducted in that thread wasn't going to influence whatever happened in the Korean scene, the authorities would be conducting their own investigations into the matter.

Sangho/Killer was one of those caught in the crossfire of the last major match fixing scandal. Despite being completely innocent, the community thought he fixed a famous game on Outsider (because of how he blundered away a virtually won game). This ultimately lead to his retirement from BW. This is the damage false accusations can have, and hence why we closed the last thread.


You mean like the Marineking one(s) that probably ruined his career even though it's been established he was innocent?

I mean it wasn't like his career was thriving before then...
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 19 2015 00:58 GMT
#85
On October 19 2015 09:58 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:52 Yorkie wrote:
Pls no: Losira, Bomber, Life

there's a super small possibility of bomber or life doing this.


Nah
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 19 2015 00:59 GMT
#86
On October 19 2015 09:58 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:57 LongShot27 wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:56 Plexa wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:53 StarGalaxy wrote:
Well I think a lot of people in the betting scene already knew that Yoda was involved.

I did some analysis some time ago: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns?page=52#1034

TL admins closed that threat shortly after and gave me a bullshit answer that pinnacle did not void the bet and that there would be no point talking about it. It is really sad how censorship is back in so many places. Even here in a TL forum where you least expect it the admins decide what is worthy to discuss and what not.
Uh, we make no secret that we moderate strictly and decide what content we want discussed here. Unfortunately when it comes to these kinds of accusations they can be career ending/severely damaging. The research conducted in that thread wasn't going to influence whatever happened in the Korean scene, the authorities would be conducting their own investigations into the matter.

Sangho/Killer was one of those caught in the crossfire of the last major match fixing scandal. Despite being completely innocent, the community thought he fixed a famous game on Outsider (because of how he blundered away a virtually won game). This ultimately lead to his retirement from BW. This is the damage false accusations can have, and hence why we closed the last thread.


You mean like the Marineking one(s) that probably ruined his career even though it's been established he was innocent?

I mean it wasn't like his career was thriving before then...


That's irrelevant
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
October 19 2015 00:59 GMT
#87
On October 19 2015 09:58 shin_toss wrote:
I wonder how did they get caught.

They were caught twice: once by police, and one more time by KeSPA via anonymous tip
ppp
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8254 Posts
October 19 2015 00:59 GMT
#88
On October 19 2015 09:57 Clonester wrote:
It was time.... "NO EVIDENCE!!!" never have to hear it again.

But terrible news after terrible news incoming


No, this is evidence, that's why it's important. I will still yell it when people bring pitchforks for "weird play" without any substantial evidence. The one person people yelled at for matchfixing the most is still (so far) not involved. Then again, we don't know 9 of the people who are.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
October 19 2015 01:00 GMT
#89
On October 19 2015 09:58 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:58 Wintex wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:52 Yorkie wrote:
Pls no: Losira, Bomber, Life

there's a super small possibility of bomber or life doing this.


Nah

Do you think there is a large possibility that they were involved? If so, why?
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
October 19 2015 01:00 GMT
#90
On October 19 2015 09:56 Heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:53 StarGalaxy wrote:
TL admins closed that threat shortly after and gave me a bullshit answer that pinnacle did not void the bet and that there would be no point talking about it. It is really sad how censorship is back in so many places. Even here in a TL forum where you least expect it the admins decide what is worthy to discuss and what not.


Can you tell me where someone from TL told you that? I don't see it anywhere in the thread.


Sure i can post the pm:

From: NovemberstOrm TL Staff [ 15589 posts | Profile ]
Subject: Re: thread closing
Date: 3/18/15 00:51
Hi, we the moderators have decided to close this thread do people posting matchfixing accusations, going into offtopic discussion, and with nothing new coming of it, it seems pointless to keep this discussion going, if there is new information revealed a new thread will be created

Original Message From StarGalaxy:
Hey,
why did you close that thread?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns?page=54#
I provided solid information and i don't see a reason why there shouldn't be a discussion about it.
best regards,
SG

From: NovemberstOrm TL Staff [ 15589 posts | Profile ]
Subject: Re: thread closing
Date: 3/18/15 01:47
Pinnacle didn't cancel the bet though. Sharing it in the LR might not be good of an idea either(big shitstorm), I don't see anything wrong with posting it in blogs though, i'll see what some of the other moderators think

Original Message From StarGalaxy:
well i provided new information from todays pro league match in this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns?page=52#1034
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
October 19 2015 01:00 GMT
#91
On October 19 2015 09:58 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:50 Yorkie wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:45 LongShot27 wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:44 Yorkie wrote:
Keen and Byun just bailed out of Prime, not sure if they're involved and jumped ship or if they left as soon as they found out what was going down (of they would have known earlier today/yesterday before it went public)


Unless Byun has been betting against himself in Leifeng cup I doubt theres anything one could even implicate him on.

Could get in trouble just for knowing about it and not speaking up. He was a part of the team despite never playing in PL


Byun hasn't been an active part of Prime for over a year, IIRC. Doesn't live with the team, doesn't really talk to them that much - I think it's conceivable that he (and KeeN) were given a heads up that something was coming and bailed out before the announcement. (A heads up not from Prime - I assure you if there are indictments, they probably were interviewed and saw the hammer coming. Or found out about things Gerrard might have been doing that they didn't know about and disagreed with strongly, and bailed.)

Lots of conjecture, but I don't think they were involved. Byun, at least, as he's been only loosely involved with SC2 for awhile - doesn't even stream frequently. (He mentioned it being addictive once.)

Yeah my guess is that they're innocent. Kespa or whoever was conducting the investigation probably said "hey your org is about to go down do what you will with that info" in much more official terms and so they both left and Byun joined a Chinese team.
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 19 2015 01:00 GMT
#92
On October 19 2015 09:57 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:56 Plexa wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:53 StarGalaxy wrote:
Well I think a lot of people in the betting scene already knew that Yoda was involved.

I did some analysis some time ago: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns?page=52#1034

TL admins closed that threat shortly after and gave me a bullshit answer that pinnacle did not void the bet and that there would be no point talking about it. It is really sad how censorship is back in so many places. Even here in a TL forum where you least expect it the admins decide what is worthy to discuss and what not.
Uh, we make no secret that we moderate strictly and decide what content we want discussed here. Unfortunately when it comes to these kinds of accusations they can be career ending/severely damaging. The research conducted in that thread wasn't going to influence whatever happened in the Korean scene, the authorities would be conducting their own investigations into the matter.

Sangho/Killer was one of those caught in the crossfire of the last major match fixing scandal. Despite being completely innocent, the community thought he fixed a famous game on Outsider (because of how he blundered away a virtually won game). This ultimately lead to his retirement from BW. This is the damage false accusations can have, and hence why we closed the last thread.


You mean like the Marineking one(s) that probably ruined his career even though it's been established he was innocent?

Yeah "innocent"
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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 19 2015 01:01 GMT
#93
On October 19 2015 10:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:58 LongShot27 wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:58 Wintex wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:52 Yorkie wrote:
Pls no: Losira, Bomber, Life

there's a super small possibility of bomber or life doing this.


Nah

Do you think there is a large possibility that they were involved? If so, why?


No possibility. They stood to make more money by winning
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
October 19 2015 01:01 GMT
#94
On October 19 2015 10:00 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:58 felisconcolori wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:50 Yorkie wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:45 LongShot27 wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:44 Yorkie wrote:
Keen and Byun just bailed out of Prime, not sure if they're involved and jumped ship or if they left as soon as they found out what was going down (of they would have known earlier today/yesterday before it went public)


Unless Byun has been betting against himself in Leifeng cup I doubt theres anything one could even implicate him on.

Could get in trouble just for knowing about it and not speaking up. He was a part of the team despite never playing in PL


Byun hasn't been an active part of Prime for over a year, IIRC. Doesn't live with the team, doesn't really talk to them that much - I think it's conceivable that he (and KeeN) were given a heads up that something was coming and bailed out before the announcement. (A heads up not from Prime - I assure you if there are indictments, they probably were interviewed and saw the hammer coming. Or found out about things Gerrard might have been doing that they didn't know about and disagreed with strongly, and bailed.)

Lots of conjecture, but I don't think they were involved. Byun, at least, as he's been only loosely involved with SC2 for awhile - doesn't even stream frequently. (He mentioned it being addictive once.)

Yeah my guess is that they're innocent. Kespa or whoever was conducting the investigation probably said "hey your org is about to go down do what you will with that info" in much more official terms and so they both left and Byun joined a Chinese team.

Yeah, I bet that's what happened.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
October 19 2015 01:01 GMT
#95
On October 19 2015 09:59 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:58 Yorkie wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:57 LongShot27 wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:56 Plexa wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:53 StarGalaxy wrote:
Well I think a lot of people in the betting scene already knew that Yoda was involved.

I did some analysis some time ago: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns?page=52#1034

TL admins closed that threat shortly after and gave me a bullshit answer that pinnacle did not void the bet and that there would be no point talking about it. It is really sad how censorship is back in so many places. Even here in a TL forum where you least expect it the admins decide what is worthy to discuss and what not.
Uh, we make no secret that we moderate strictly and decide what content we want discussed here. Unfortunately when it comes to these kinds of accusations they can be career ending/severely damaging. The research conducted in that thread wasn't going to influence whatever happened in the Korean scene, the authorities would be conducting their own investigations into the matter.

Sangho/Killer was one of those caught in the crossfire of the last major match fixing scandal. Despite being completely innocent, the community thought he fixed a famous game on Outsider (because of how he blundered away a virtually won game). This ultimately lead to his retirement from BW. This is the damage false accusations can have, and hence why we closed the last thread.


You mean like the Marineking one(s) that probably ruined his career even though it's been established he was innocent?

I mean it wasn't like his career was thriving before then...


That's irrelevant

The accusations didn't ruin his career. he was mediocre to bad in PL before and after the accusations. The only change was they didn't field him for a few weeks to let him recover.
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
October 19 2015 01:02 GMT
#96
On October 19 2015 10:01 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 10:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:58 LongShot27 wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:58 Wintex wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:52 Yorkie wrote:
Pls no: Losira, Bomber, Life

there's a super small possibility of bomber or life doing this.


Nah

Do you think there is a large possibility that they were involved? If so, why?


No possibility. They stood to make more money by winning

Wait I thought this was about Proleague. What matches are you talking about exactly?
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 01:03:11
October 19 2015 01:03 GMT
#97
More people for Solo to laugh at while he rakes in Dota money
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
October 19 2015 01:03 GMT
#98
On October 19 2015 09:58 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:58 Wintex wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:52 Yorkie wrote:
Pls no: Losira, Bomber, Life

there's a super small possibility of bomber or life doing this.


Nah

i literally meant that there's no fucking way they're gonna be implicated but sure.
The Bomber boy
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
October 19 2015 01:03 GMT
#99
On October 19 2015 09:58 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 09:52 Yorkie wrote:
Pls no: Losira, Bomber, Life

there's a super small possibility of bomber or life doing this.

Prime/MVP players seem the most suspect right now. The other orgs seem less likely to be involved as they're more financially secure and had more success this year
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 19 2015 01:04 GMT
#100
On October 19 2015 10:02 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 10:01 LongShot27 wrote:
On October 19 2015 10:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:58 LongShot27 wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:58 Wintex wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:52 Yorkie wrote:
Pls no: Losira, Bomber, Life

there's a super small possibility of bomber or life doing this.


Nah

Do you think there is a large possibility that they were involved? If so, why?


No possibility. They stood to make more money by winning

Wait I thought this was about Proleague. What matches are you talking about exactly?


Kespa also has jurisdiction over SSL
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