Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting.
As of page 54 we will be moderating against match fixing accusations for players who were not caught in this incident, including those using voided Pinnacle bets as evidence.
On October 26 2015 06:11 Penev wrote: Most expected ban EVER
haha
On October 26 2015 05:35 VasHeR wrote:
On October 26 2015 05:02 Wuster wrote:
On October 25 2015 12:02 Seeker wrote:
On October 25 2015 10:04 dsousa wrote:
On October 24 2015 13:58 Seeker wrote:
On October 24 2015 08:20 dsousa wrote: I told you a long time ago.
It wasn't real. Sorry.
I just came off a 6 month ban for trying to help you poor souls come to grips with what was obvious. GG.
We don't do 6 month bans. Unless you're saying you were 90 day temp banned back to back.
Quite right, it was a few weekly bans, then a 90 day ban. Anyways, it silenced me pretty good... well done protecting the innocent and giving a voice to the honest fans.
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Well it looks like it's too late now, but clearly there's no conspiracy to hush this situation up, otherwise Swoopae would have been banned rather than allowed to start threads everytime something fishy happened. Otherwise TL wouldn't have interviewed Pinnacle about it either.
Oh well sometimes people get carried away and can't see things objectively (I recall his original bans were for being way too strident about how sure he was player x or y was match fixing - and most of the fishy games did not involve Yoda / B4 after all).
Well that's just bs. Swoop is known, guy who just got banned is unknown. You can be as much of an ass as you want here if you have that pull. If you don't, you're pretty much instantly banned for nothing and told to manner up. The "Safe Space" song from the last South Park episode was probably inspired by TL.
Swoopae's posts were always informative, never ban worthy. Nothing to do with being known or not.
Kind of my point, and splitting hairs but wasn't Swoopae only known *after* the first Pinnacle bet? TL usually doesn't allow people to even speculate on match fixing, so that thread was already a big bending of the rules because it was presented so well with a major bookie backing the allegations that *something* happened.
He was indeed. Learned a lot (of sad things) from those threads.
I hope one of these days Rekrul opens his mouth again. Not because I'd like the drama but I have a hard time believing they got all the offenders and I like my StarCraft clean and tidy.
Penev's right about a few things. I probably got away with posting stuff that would get other people banned, but after my initial burst of anger I think I was fairly diplomatic in simply providing facts and giving my personal analysis. My only stake in this was always just to keep e-sports clean.
Personally, i'm almost certain they didn't get all of the offenders, I haven't recently witnessed any suspicious line movement/gameplay that would lead me to believe a game was rigged, the last time being some of Prime's matches in the last round (Pinnacle stopped offering odds on Prime's matches for a reason; I was pretty confident Yoda and B4 were fixing as they were on my list of likely fixers, in Yoda's case it was all but certain, after seeing Stargalaxy's breakdown of the evidence in B4's case there was only one match I recall thinking was fixed, in Yoda's there were several).
The two players who were not caught I would pretty close to bet my life on having fixed at least the suspicious match in question have both faded into irrelevance fortunately, I won't name them again since innocent until proven guilty and whatnot but they feature prominently in previous posts of mine. Their careers are effectively over, and I can't imagine either would ever consider fixing a match again after the scrutiny they went through.
There are three other players who at least threw a map once in my opinion who were not caught, (two former champions, and a fairly irrelevant player). There were a few suspicious games involving other players other than that that may or may not have been fixed, mostly from 6+ mths ago now, but those are the five players i'm confident did fix and got away with it, although only one of the five players remains a highly relevant player in the scene (will be cheering hard against him in the WCS finals), the other four will probably never reach Code S level again.
At the end of the day if they get away with it so be it, the most important thing is that match fixing is stamped out from the scene as much as possible moving forward from here, and seeing the real consequences that the players/coaches/brokers caught will face hopefully that acts as a deterrent against any player being tempted by match fixing in the future. It will likely continue to happen on rare occasions, but at least the industry is taking steps to protect its integrity now as opposed to denying that any match fixing is taking place and ignoring the issue.
I'd also love to hear what Rekrul has to say about everything that happened, and even more i'd love to be able to pick Wolf's brain about the names he's heard/suspects are involved, obviously he can't talk about it without proof but I suspect his list will match my list of suspected match fixers almost exactly and he would almost certainly have more info than me.
I still dont get what this has to do with police and getting actual jail time. Is it because its Korea or because of the matchfixing itself? (IF thats illegal.. no idea)
On October 30 2015 20:24 SeriousLus wrote: I still dont get what this has to do with police and getting actual jail time. Is it because its Korea or because of the matchfixing itself? (IF thats illegal.. no idea)
Matchfixing is highly illegal, and even if it wasn't, betting in Korea is illegal in itself
On October 30 2015 20:24 SeriousLus wrote: I still dont get what this has to do with police and getting actual jail time. Is it because its Korea or because of the matchfixing itself? (IF thats illegal.. no idea)
Matchfixing is highly illegal, and even if it wasn't, betting in Korea is illegal in itself
Yup, matchfixing is illegal just about everywhere. A bunch of US college basketball players were sentence for it in 2009 (jail / probation / ect).
On October 28 2015 08:52 Swoopae wrote: There are three other players who at least threw a map once in my opinion who were not caught, (two former champions, and a fairly irrelevant player). There were a few suspicious games involving other players other than that that may or may not have been fixed, mostly from 6+ mths ago now, but those are the five players i'm confident did fix and got away with it, although only one of the five players remains a highly relevant player in the scene (will be cheering hard against him in the WCS finals), the other four will probably never reach Code S level again.
I trully hope he didn't fix, that would make me more than sad
What exactly is the rationale for not allowing any speculation on match fixing? If you can't even raise suspicions it seems like a really good way to support any such activity. Is there a similar policy for suspected cheaters on ladder? Can't really say I get the warning to swoopae's carefully constructed post...
On November 02 2015 04:46 nighcol wrote: What exactly is the rationale for not allowing any speculation on match fixing? If you can't even raise suspicions it seems like a really good way to support any such activity. Is there a similar policy for suspected cheaters on ladder? Can't really say I get the warning to swoopae's carefully constructed post...
For one, this should not be the thread for it. Also, our speculation is not going to do anything except make the scene worse for the accused players. Unless you have definitive proof, it just lowers the quality of the forum. Matchfixing is on a different tier than cheating on ladder games. One is illegal and has a huge stigma in Korea (and gaming culture).
On November 02 2015 07:09 blamekilly wrote: Is it match fixing if they were going to lose the match anyways? I mean look at who they're playing. they were not favored.
There would be no one betting on them (for the matchfix to be worth doing) if they truly had a zero % chance to win.
Is speculation about match fixers who haven't been caught banned from the entire SC2 General forum? Or just this thread? If the former, I don't see why. There's evidence out there.
On November 02 2015 07:07 Blargh wrote: For one, this should not be the thread for it. Also, our speculation is not going to do anything except make the scene worse for the accused players. Unless you have definitive proof, it just lowers the quality of the forum. Matchfixing is on a different tier than cheating on ladder games. One is illegal and has a huge stigma in Korea (and gaming culture).
Seems like disallowing open talk about match fixing suspicions does do other things besides what you said. It makes it easy to turn a blind eye to such issues which is very beneficial to would-be matchfixers.
I feel like one being a much worse deed than the other in society's eyes is a very poor justification for disallowing public scrutiny.
On November 02 2015 08:06 Doodsmack wrote: Is speculation about match fixers who haven't been caught banned from the entire SC2 General forum? Or just this thread? If the former, I don't see why. There's evidence out there.
What most people count as evidence is little other than indications, and people are extremely quick to jump the bandwagon on any little indication. I don't know the official stance on this, but I'd tread with care if I was you. These are people we're talking about, and speculating on criminal activity is a good way of ruining someone's reputation, which is especially bad if the guy in question hasn't actually done anything.
Besides, most of it has been discussed to death already. Unless you're bringing new information to the table, I don't see what there is to gain from it
On November 02 2015 07:07 Blargh wrote: For one, this should not be the thread for it. Also, our speculation is not going to do anything except make the scene worse for the accused players. Unless you have definitive proof, it just lowers the quality of the forum. Matchfixing is on a different tier than cheating on ladder games. One is illegal and has a huge stigma in Korea (and gaming culture).
Seems like disallowing open talk about match fixing suspicions does do other things besides what you said. It makes it easy to turn a blind eye to such issues which is very beneficial to would-be matchfixers.
I feel like one being a much worse deed than the other in society's eyes is a very poor justification for disallowing public scrutiny.
No one is turning any blind eyes. Any new information regarding any would be matchfixers makes its way to this forum one way or another, and everything else has been discussed to death already. There is nothing to gain from speculating based on missing or flimsy evidence
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