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Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting.

As of page 54 we will be moderating against match fixing accusations for players who were not caught in this incident, including those using voided Pinnacle bets as evidence.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 01:27:44
October 19 2015 01:27 GMT
#181
On October 19 2015 10:26 Seeker wrote:
MY BODY IS READY!!! I WILL TRANSLATE LIKE MY LIFE FUCKING DEPENDS ON IT!!!

ALL HAIL SEEKER AND WAX

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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
October 19 2015 01:27 GMT
#182
On October 19 2015 10:26 Seeker wrote:
MY BODY IS READY!!! I WILL TRANSLATE LIKE MY LIFE FUCKING DEPENDS ON IT!!!

Praise Seeker and Wax the gods
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
October 19 2015 01:27 GMT
#183
On October 19 2015 10:25 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 10:08 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
Things to be covered by the Changwon Attorney General at 11 o'clock KST

1. explain charges and investigation steps through reported facts
2. Trash who participated in match fixing (exception of Yoda and Gerrard) will only have age and initials (basically name tbh) released
3. Kespa looked into Yoda and Gerrard, which is why it was released earlier from them
4. total of 11 has been charged. (9 arrested and indicted, 2 not arrested but indicted)
5. There has been cases of fixing on Under Over time (will be briefed.)

I... honestly don't know what to say. SC2 seemed to be increasing in popularity in Korea. I don't... why...?


1. 보도자료를 통해 수사과정 및 혐의설명
2. 승부조작가담 인원 전체이름은 표기안되며 성씨와 나이만 나옴
3. 박외식,최병현은 케스파가 확인한사항이라 알고있던것임
4. 총 11명(구속기소 9 불구속기소 2)
5. 언더오버 시간에 대한 승부조작도 포함되어있음(이것도 브리핑예정)

I don't know shit about law but does that mean among the 11, two of them are innocent ?


Not at all.
It just: 9 have to stay in prison till curts judge them.
2 can live outside in prison till they get judged. They most likely cant travel and so on, but are not in prison at the moment.
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
October 19 2015 01:28 GMT
#184
wtf is this, AGAIN?.. and a head coach being involved? thats just dirty
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
October 19 2015 01:28 GMT
#185
On October 19 2015 10:26 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 10:25 Boucot wrote:
On October 19 2015 10:08 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
Things to be covered by the Changwon Attorney General at 11 o'clock KST

1. explain charges and investigation steps through reported facts
2. Trash who participated in match fixing (exception of Yoda and Gerrard) will only have age and initials (basically name tbh) released
3. Kespa looked into Yoda and Gerrard, which is why it was released earlier from them
4. total of 11 has been charged. (9 arrested and indicted, 2 not arrested but indicted)
5. There has been cases of fixing on Under Over time (will be briefed.)

I... honestly don't know what to say. SC2 seemed to be increasing in popularity in Korea. I don't... why...?


1. 보도자료를 통해 수사과정 및 혐의설명
2. 승부조작가담 인원 전체이름은 표기안되며 성씨와 나이만 나옴
3. 박외식,최병현은 케스파가 확인한사항이라 알고있던것임
4. 총 11명(구속기소 9 불구속기소 2)
5. 언더오버 시간에 대한 승부조작도 포함되어있음(이것도 브리핑예정)

I don't know shit about law but does that mean among the 11, two of them are innocent ?

Doesn't it just mean that two of them haven't been proven guilty?

you're not guilty untill a court of law says so
I like starcraft
RevTiberius
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada353 Posts
October 19 2015 01:28 GMT
#186
On October 19 2015 10:17 RaymondFish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 10:14 RevTiberius wrote:
Here's my latest blog entry about this, my point if view is probably a little different from the opinions expressed here in this thread:

revtiberius.blogspot.com

Over the past half hour or so it has emerged that 11 players (unclear if SC1 or SC2) have been indicted for match fixing. That is very troubling, and I hope the players will be brought to justice.

What's equally troubling though, and here I'm singling out Nathanias is that some e-sports "personalities" have already taken to Twitter with inappropriate comments:

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I have no sympathy for the alleged cheaters whatsoever, but I'd like Nathanias to get off his high horse here. SC2 personalities in particular - due to their (sometimes undeserved) large followings have a special responsibility to be moderate and even-handed in their public comments. Or they might as well apply for a job at Fox News.

Especially when all that's known at this point is that there seems to be a scandal. Already calling for draconian punishment when really there aren't any facts on the table yet in my opinion is character assassination.

At least wait until the names of the players are released, and more details about their actual or alleged crimes are given.

Therefore, even if only to protect my own image as a competent commentator of the Starcraft scene, Nathanias shouldn't rush to Twitter all that quickly.



I kind of wish you could downvote posts on here. lol


But why? All I'm saying is that before we all jump on the band waggon and "destroy" these 11 individuals, we should at least wait until a few more facts are on the table.

If you or a loved one was under indictment, would you want the public to jump to conclusions so quickly?
Teaching Chess to a Starcraft 2 Grandmaster: http://revtiberius.blogspot.ca
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 19 2015 01:28 GMT
#187
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
October 19 2015 01:28 GMT
#188


SC2 just trying to fit in with the cool kids. In all seriousness this makes it all the more obvious that this kind of corruption is rampant in Korea, not just in Korean esports
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
October 19 2015 01:29 GMT
#189
On October 19 2015 10:26 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 10:25 Boucot wrote:
On October 19 2015 10:08 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
Things to be covered by the Changwon Attorney General at 11 o'clock KST

1. explain charges and investigation steps through reported facts
2. Trash who participated in match fixing (exception of Yoda and Gerrard) will only have age and initials (basically name tbh) released
3. Kespa looked into Yoda and Gerrard, which is why it was released earlier from them
4. total of 11 has been charged. (9 arrested and indicted, 2 not arrested but indicted)
5. There has been cases of fixing on Under Over time (will be briefed.)

I... honestly don't know what to say. SC2 seemed to be increasing in popularity in Korea. I don't... why...?


1. 보도자료를 통해 수사과정 및 혐의설명
2. 승부조작가담 인원 전체이름은 표기안되며 성씨와 나이만 나옴
3. 박외식,최병현은 케스파가 확인한사항이라 알고있던것임
4. 총 11명(구속기소 9 불구속기소 2)
5. 언더오버 시간에 대한 승부조작도 포함되어있음(이것도 브리핑예정)

I don't know shit about law but does that mean among the 11, two of them are innocent ?

Doesn't it just mean that two of them haven't been proven guilty?


All it means is that two of them have not been arrested yet.

They have still been indicted. At this point, no one has been proven guilty; they were indicted which means the government has formally laid charges against them. No trials have been held or verdicts reached.

Kespa notes this when they say they have banned people and will ban people regardless of trial result. This is not Kespa taking action; this is a government prosecutor pushing forward with a criminal investigation.
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 01:30:04
October 19 2015 01:29 GMT
#190
On October 19 2015 10:25 Ansibled wrote:
This has really been a terrible week.


We knew the match fixing was there. This isn't news. All that's news is that some illegal bettors and match fixers are now being brought to justice.

I don't see how this can possibly be a negative thing, unless you were hoping it would just go away if everyone just stopped talking about it?
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 01:31:35
October 19 2015 01:31 GMT
#191
On October 19 2015 10:26 Seeker wrote:
MY BODY IS READY!!! I WILL TRANSLATE LIKE MY LIFE FUCKING DEPENDS ON IT!!!

Well sctoo's life depends more on it

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partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
October 19 2015 01:31 GMT
#192
Ugh prime. 4 years of memories ruined. I may not of liked you, but this?
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StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 01:37:13
October 19 2015 01:31 GMT
#193
On October 19 2015 10:16 Heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 10:00 StarGalaxy wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:56 Heyoka wrote:
On October 19 2015 09:53 StarGalaxy wrote:
TL admins closed that threat shortly after and gave me a bullshit answer that pinnacle did not void the bet and that there would be no point talking about it. It is really sad how censorship is back in so many places. Even here in a TL forum where you least expect it the admins decide what is worthy to discuss and what not.


Can you tell me where someone from TL told you that? I don't see it anywhere in the thread.


Sure i can post the pm:

From: NovemberstOrm TL Staff [ 15589 posts | Profile ]
Subject: Re: thread closing
Date: 3/18/15 00:51
Hi, we the moderators have decided to close this thread do people posting matchfixing accusations, going into offtopic discussion, and with nothing new coming of it, it seems pointless to keep this discussion going, if there is new information revealed a new thread will be created

Original Message From StarGalaxy:
Hey,
why did you close that thread?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns?page=54#
I provided solid information and i don't see a reason why there shouldn't be a discussion about it.
best regards,
SG

From: NovemberstOrm TL Staff [ 15589 posts | Profile ]
Subject: Re: thread closing
Date: 3/18/15 01:47
Pinnacle didn't cancel the bet though. Sharing it in the LR might not be good of an idea either(big shitstorm), I don't see anything wrong with posting it in blogs though, i'll see what some of the other moderators think

Original Message From StarGalaxy:
well i provided new information from todays pro league match in this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns?page=52#1034



You showed another line with weird movement - esports is a small world and weird movement is not that unusual - and then said "It is very likely that the match between Yoda and Bunny was match fixed today," implying your knowledge from seeing one thing is more than Pinnacle's information (a site who has shown ability and interest in canceling suspicious activity before). I don't think it's fair to say this is enough new information to keep that thread open, it was a long going thread with tons of mud slinging based on incredibly light evidence with accusations that serve to do nothing but tear down possible innocent people - Plexa's example of SangHo is on point. This is not some 1984 scenario.


This is simply not true. Weird line movements are extremely uncommon. There are very few people out there that know sc2 betting as well as I do. I have analyzed close to every line that was produced for sc2 in the last years. I can assure you the times weird line movement like the one i posted about did happen is around five times. Nearly all of those bets got cancled by pinnacle (san dark, innovation, etc.).

Pinnacle is a business. They do what is best for them and I am certainly not blaming them for it. They have shown interest of canceling bets where they would have lost a lot of money because the line did not bounce back. Relying on them for fixing detection without even knowing their methods is very dangerous in my opinion.

You say this was light evidence. I don't blame you for that but if you knew betting lines, have experience in betting and or understand the math behind big sample size of bets you would not say that.
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Locke-
Profile Joined December 2011
499 Posts
October 19 2015 01:31 GMT
#194
wow

im out
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
October 19 2015 01:31 GMT
#195
OK thanks for the answers. We'll see exactly what's going on later.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
October 19 2015 01:32 GMT
#196
God damn it, not again. I hoped I never had to see a Savior 2.0.
TL+ Member
Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
October 19 2015 01:32 GMT
#197
Oh lord, I hope none of them are Blizzcon qualified.
var username
Profile Joined February 2011
52 Posts
October 19 2015 01:32 GMT
#198
The association will actively cooperate in the investigation, and if any others are found to be involved in the case, they will be banned for life regardless of the result of a trial


Even if anyone was incorrectly charged and acquitted? I'm missing something here.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18483 Posts
October 19 2015 01:32 GMT
#199
Only surprise so far is that only Yoda has been found guilty so far. It was pretty clear that at least one player of Prime was into matchfixing
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
October 19 2015 01:33 GMT
#200
Whoa

and i just thought Gerrard was a shitty coach, I didn't realize he would stoop so low....
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