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Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1978 Posts
June 30 2015 10:23 GMT
#161
absolutely disagree - is Quake a 'less strategic' game than CS because it's more mechanically demanding?

It's the general consensus that BW has more units and game mechanics that reward great positioning, which is essentially the basis of strategy - certain parts of the map, you want to have control of more, which allows you to build your game plan around.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 14:44:36
June 30 2015 10:27 GMT
#162
On June 30 2015 18:50 Musicus wrote:
Also no idea how you did it, but your stickman actually somehow looks like Artosis :D.


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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 30 2015 10:29 GMT
#163
did someone say graph thread?
[image loading]
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TheSayo182
Profile Joined September 2012
Italy243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 12:48:36
June 30 2015 10:30 GMT
#164
for a second I thought i traveled in time, i had to check the calendar to be sure it is not April 1st
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16085 Posts
June 30 2015 10:38 GMT
#165
Well, polt is one of the best players in the history of sc2 despite having relatively weak mechanics.
Would he have been equally succesful in BW?
If the answer to that question is no then artosis is right.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 30 2015 10:41 GMT
#166
On June 30 2015 19:38 Charoisaur wrote:
Well, polt is one of the best players in the history of sc2 despite having relatively weak mechanics.
Would he have been equally succesful in BW?
If the answer to that question is no then artosis is right.

Great logic
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
June 30 2015 10:45 GMT
#167
I was really surprised to see this article, but I think it just boils down to how you define "strategy". Comparing the games like that though is quite odd. And if Starbow has done anything, it is to show that BW is still very strategic even if you remove all the mundane mechanical tasks.
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
June 30 2015 10:45 GMT
#168
On June 30 2015 19:29 Ej_ wrote:
did someone say graph thread?
[image loading]


This graph is so deep. It perfectly captures the exponential increase in forcefields through energy regeneration per sentry, balanced off by the logarithmic players incapability to use all that power. It's beautiful!
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 30 2015 10:47 GMT
#169
I think that any time a great game is boiled down to mechanics or technical ability an enormous amount of the game is completely overlooked. In fact I'd almost say that the more mechanical the game the more strategy involved, see basically any vod of tasteless playing starbow and explaining whats going on, or for a pro game check out boxer vs hiya
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 10:49:42
June 30 2015 10:47 GMT
#170
On June 30 2015 19:38 Charoisaur wrote:
Well, polt is one of the best players in the history of sc2 despite having relatively weak mechanics.
Would he have been equally succesful in BW?
If the answer to that question is no then artosis is right.

Has bisu won an OSL?
If the answer to that question is no then artosis is wrong.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19371 Posts
June 30 2015 10:51 GMT
#171
On June 30 2015 19:47 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 19:38 Charoisaur wrote:
Well, polt is one of the best players in the history of sc2 despite having relatively weak mechanics.
Would he have been equally succesful in BW?
If the answer to that question is no then artosis is right.

Has bisu won an OSL?
If the answer to that question is no then artosis is wrong.
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisudagger's reaction:[image loading]

Lol. I have to admit your logic is sound.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 11:15:15
June 30 2015 11:06 GMT
#172
On June 30 2015 17:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On June 30 2015 17:33 FFW_Rude wrote:
No rekrul post.

Maybe inControL will post 3 or 5 post in a row in full caps for nostalgia.


Mortal Kombat?


Street fighter 4
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/104325-artosis-vs-rekrul-onwards

But was refering to this http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/70545-korean-map-stats-worthless#7
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
June 30 2015 11:29 GMT
#173
lol.
I would say true for WoL ! Not so sure about HotS.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12043 Posts
June 30 2015 11:59 GMT
#174
On June 30 2015 18:47 JieXian wrote:
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On June 30 2015 16:15 Musicus wrote:
So I had to bust out the paint skills here for one more point:

[image loading]

I think in sc2 strategy is more impactful than in BW because the impact of perfect execution is lower. But that does not mean sc2 is more strategic, it just seems this way since execution is less important. Well I think the graph explains what I mean .


I would like to expound on your graph, if I may, by using the parable of the Artosis the Struggling Blogger and the Door of Viewcount.

[image loading]


Oh my god *dead*
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 30 2015 12:04 GMT
#175
Interesting and controversial.
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 12:05:09
June 30 2015 12:04 GMT
#176
On June 30 2015 18:50 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 18:47 JieXian wrote:
On June 30 2015 16:15 Musicus wrote:
So I had to bust out the paint skills here for one more point:

[image loading]

I think in sc2 strategy is more impactful than in BW because the impact of perfect execution is lower. But that does not mean sc2 is more strategic, it just seems this way since execution is less important. Well I think the graph explains what I mean .


I would like to expound on your graph, if I may, by using the parable of the Artosis the Struggling Blogger.

[image loading]




[image loading]

Also no idea how you did it, but your stickman actually somehow looks like Artosis :D.


You mean to tell me that's not a photograph?
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 12:07:02
June 30 2015 12:04 GMT
#177
On June 30 2015 20:06 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 17:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On June 30 2015 17:33 FFW_Rude wrote:
No rekrul post.

Maybe inControL will post 3 or 5 post in a row in full caps for nostalgia.


Mortal Kombat?


But was refering to this http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/70545-korean-map-stats-worthless#7

Can i report these three posts for abuse of caps lock?
Damn it, i can't report these posts
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
June 30 2015 12:04 GMT
#178
Seems some feathers were ruffled here
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YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
June 30 2015 12:04 GMT
#179
it's just protoss. protoss is more strategic, and it always was extremely strategic. protoss in bw involved the most strategy, and it's not going to be any easier in the final installation of sc2. the fact that protosis sees the game differently is a testament to protoss and its ability to reform players. most grandmaster level randoms from the bw era onward have acknowledged at one point or another that protoss is not at all easy. whether by design or incidentally protoss is really hard and forces some incredibly creative plays.
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
June 30 2015 12:09 GMT
#180
On June 30 2015 19:38 Charoisaur wrote:
Well, polt is one of the best players in the history of sc2 despite having relatively weak mechanics.
Would he have been equally succesful in BW?
If the answer to that question is no then artosis is right.


No.
Brood War has a higher mechanical skill floor. That doesn't mean that it has a lower strategic skill ceiling, or floor.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
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