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Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
June 30 2015 09:01 GMT
#141
What a clickbait title. Is this Buzzfeed?
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 30 2015 09:02 GMT
#142
All these people who've played at most 5 games of broodwar in there life commenting on sc2 being more strategic is the most funny thing of this thread
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 30 2015 09:03 GMT
#143
Now I know how the black community feels whenever some white dude says eminem is the goat rapper
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
June 30 2015 09:21 GMT
#144
fishing for rekrul is still proving to be elusive
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
June 30 2015 09:24 GMT
#145
On June 30 2015 16:01 Uvantak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 15:05 ppshchik wrote:
I agree that map diversity is a huge problem in BW since 90% of the makers host FS or Python, but it has more to do with the outdated ladder system than the game / community itself.

Disagree completely. The reason of why FS or Python are played is not in great part caused by the system, but because players simply don't like to torture themselves by needing to adapt to other than the standard maps. This is specially true regarding heavily nonstandard maps,

Player and people in general like to blame other things for their mistakes or for not being able to do wherever they want, in BW and SC2 there are not as many escape goats because they are 1v1 games, but one of the very few are the maps.

You can clearly see this on not only BW, but SC2, AoEx, or any RTS, where the player base sits around a limited amount of possible map layouts, and when the big core of players are pushed to play on maps outside of this set of layouts/maps gets really uncomfortable. And it is understandable! They are out of their comfort zone.


Proof : http://fr.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3bjnfa/thoughts_on_the_new_maps/
Read the comments.
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
June 30 2015 09:25 GMT
#146
Sc2 is simply superior game coz I cant see different units in bw coz the graphics are so horrible


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Well, I have played bw for less than hour so :D

But yeah, I came from Age of Empires background and sc1/bw graphics was just something horrible that I couldnt play more.



My post is just as much meaningful than most of the posts in this thread
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 30 2015 09:28 GMT
#147
I can understand where he is coming from but I think the way he phrased it is wrong. A better title would be

"mechanical prowess is no guarantee of success in Sc2" or "strategy can overcome mechanical weakness"

They are both highly strategic games, perhaps he is also considering how brood war was figured out towards the end of its life so that both players knew what the other one was going to do so it came down to execution.
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1981 Posts
June 30 2015 09:33 GMT
#148
On June 30 2015 18:02 bo1b wrote:
All these people who've played at most 5 games of broodwar in there life commenting on sc2 being more strategic is the most funny thing of this thread


I played Broodwar for 12 years (1998-2010). I also think that sc2 is more strategic but BW is more tactical and i personally prefer tactical gameplay.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Strategy_vs_Tactic
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 30 2015 09:33 GMT
#149
The whole article is really great and well written (putting aside the fact that Artosis doesn't no how parentheses are called). Also I read it all in Artosis's voice, which was a little disturbing.

I sometimes imagine that I can meet a SC2 celebrity on an airport or such (as I travel a lot and they do) and I think about how weird it would be, to hear a voice that I have so deepl linked to a computer screen out in the open, I would probably trip and fall if that was to happen.
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RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
June 30 2015 09:34 GMT
#150
On June 30 2015 18:25 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Sc2 is simply superior game coz I cant see different units in bw coz the graphics are so horrible


+ Show Spoiler +
Well, I have played bw for less than hour so :D

But yeah, I came from Age of Empires background and sc1/bw graphics was just something horrible that I couldnt play more.



My post is just as much meaningful than most of the posts in this thread

Whaaaaaaaaaaat?
I think the BW graphics are some of the more beautiful in any game I have played. Far superior to the SC2 graphics in my opinion.
The BW graphics were so colorful and strong. And the effects were awesome. Just look at Valkyrie missles or all the blood effects on zerg units. Or the gorgeous siege tank blast explosions.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51110 Posts
June 30 2015 09:34 GMT
#151
I hate it when people refer to BW in past tense.
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 09:38:52
June 30 2015 09:37 GMT
#152
On June 30 2015 18:34 RoomOfMush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 18:25 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Sc2 is simply superior game coz I cant see different units in bw coz the graphics are so horrible


+ Show Spoiler +
Well, I have played bw for less than hour so :D

But yeah, I came from Age of Empires background and sc1/bw graphics was just something horrible that I couldnt play more.



My post is just as much meaningful than most of the posts in this thread

Whaaaaaaaaaaat?
I think the BW graphics are some of the more beautiful in any game I have played. Far superior to the SC2 graphics in my opinion.
The BW graphics were so colorful and strong. And the effects were awesome. Just look at Valkyrie missles or all the blood effects on zerg units. Or the gorgeous siege tank blast explosions.


It is a matter of taste but especially the animations are top notch. Also BW utilizes the golden ratio rules nearly perfect:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/373922-starcraft-broodwar-golden-ratio-graphic
Unfortunately the thread is too old... the images were removed
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
June 30 2015 09:40 GMT
#153
Just lol, Artosis, please, don't go there.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
June 30 2015 09:40 GMT
#154
But both pale in comparison to Face Hunter. Strategically and mechanically.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 09:50:53
June 30 2015 09:47 GMT
#155
On June 30 2015 16:15 Musicus wrote:
So I had to bust out the paint skills here for one more point:

[image loading]

I think in sc2 strategy is more impactful than in BW because the impact of perfect execution is lower. But that does not mean sc2 is more strategic, it just seems this way since execution is less important. Well I think the graph explains what I mean .


I would like to expound on your graph, if I may, by using the parable of the Artosis the Struggling Blogger and the Door of Viewcount.

[image loading]
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 09:59:05
June 30 2015 09:50 GMT
#156
On June 30 2015 18:47 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 16:15 Musicus wrote:
So I had to bust out the paint skills here for one more point:

[image loading]

I think in sc2 strategy is more impactful than in BW because the impact of perfect execution is lower. But that does not mean sc2 is more strategic, it just seems this way since execution is less important. Well I think the graph explains what I mean .


I would like to expound on your graph, if I may, by using the parable of the Artosis the Struggling Blogger.

[image loading]


Beautiful!


But I think this graph shows how one could still improve it.

[image loading]

Also no idea how you did it, but your stickman actually somehow looks like Artosis :D.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51110 Posts
June 30 2015 09:59 GMT
#157
On June 30 2015 18:50 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 18:47 JieXian wrote:
On June 30 2015 16:15 Musicus wrote:
So I had to bust out the paint skills here for one more point:

[image loading]

I think in sc2 strategy is more impactful than in BW because the impact of perfect execution is lower. But that does not mean sc2 is more strategic, it just seems this way since execution is less important. Well I think the graph explains what I mean .


I would like to expound on your graph, if I may, by using the parable of the Artosis the Struggling Blogger.

[image loading]


Beautiful!

But I think this graph shows how one could still improve it.

[image loading]

red ends the graph on a higher note than blue, red=zerg, don't push your zerg agenda
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Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 10:01:12
June 30 2015 10:00 GMT
#158
I agree with all the graphs before me, but I'd just like to quote day9's graph as I feel it's the most relevant
[image loading]
p.s. I hope effort wins SSL
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
June 30 2015 10:15 GMT
#159
What a quality thread, thank you Wax
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 30 2015 10:18 GMT
#160
These graphs are drastically improving the quality of this thread.
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