On June 10 2015 23:28 Deathstar wrote: $8 too much for you people? watch the korean stream, watch on low, sub, or don't watch. Why so mad
there is an upcoming big SC2 event in Toronto and its 3 or 4 days long.
the individual day $8 tickets are sold out. the $20 full event passes are still available.
even small amounts of cash seem to be an issue.
$20 for 3 days is amazing.. i can't think of any live event .. even a baseball game which is a 7 day per week sport.. that has tickets priced that low.
only the day 2 and 3 (sat and sun) tickets that are sold out, so I think that's more of an issue of local people who work or whatever who can't make it on friday but want to go saturday and sunday
i'm probably only going on saturday and sunday , but i bought the $20 pass to support the event... its only $4 difference any way. 1 guy in the thread said he might not even attend , but he bought tickets just to support a local event.
the dirt cheap ticket prices provide an insight into how careful SC2 esports fans are about spending even the smallest amount of cash.
and we get the anger over GSL charging such a small fee noted by Deathstar. a single 3 hour UFC PPV is $60+ .
I don't watch UFC but I bet if there were tons of other organizations that had fighters with equal skill and better production for little or no money, you would see a lot of people complain about $60 being overpriced too. It's not just about the money, it's about comparing what GSL provides versus what every other esports organization provides.
On June 11 2015 01:10 Thax wrote: This is probably a dumb question but, can someone explain to me how this works exactly? They make it sound like it actually costs them more to operate a higher quality stream. Twitch doesn't charge companies like GOM to broadcast at higher qualities do they? And data is dirt cheap. If that extra data usage really does make the difference in their balance sheets they're in a lot more trouble than they're letting on, no? What am I missing?
I could be wrong but I think they're thinking that by switching from free medium to free low, more people will subscribe in order to offset the production costs of the foreign stream. Whether that occurs or not remains to be seen.
On June 11 2015 01:10 Thax wrote: This is probably a dumb question but, can someone explain to me how this works exactly? They make it sound like it actually costs them more to operate a higher quality stream. Twitch doesn't charge companies like GOM to broadcast at higher qualities do they? And data is dirt cheap. If that extra data usage really does make the difference in their balance sheets they're in a lot more trouble than they're letting on, no? What am I missing?
They think that more people will buy a subscription if the free stream looks like crap.
Come one, end it!! kill the horrible blizzard monster!!! I know a lot of casual players who posted above prefer this format but i hate so much GOM and there still will be SSL.
On June 11 2015 00:43 midnight999 wrote: pffft, this is dumb. Get ready to lose viewers, gom.
What good are viewers who don't contribute
You should go outside in the real world.
On June 11 2015 01:10 Thax wrote: This is probably a dumb question but, can someone explain to me how this works exactly? They make it sound like it actually costs them more to operate a higher quality stream. Twitch doesn't charge companies like GOM to broadcast at higher qualities do they? And data is dirt cheap. If that extra data usage really does make the difference in their balance sheets they're in a lot more trouble than they're letting on, no? What am I missing?
GOM has a lot of different tournaments so with each on of them must a limit in terms of rentability. Also their main broadcast service is their own not twitch. In this industry, every time you stream on twithc you lose money. I think you're missing the part that GOM is a korean broadcoaster first before being international. We often think at the scale of the world but GOM doesnt have any issues here cause blizzard covers their asses but, in korea, it's not the same
On June 10 2015 15:58 doihy wrote: Why are people disappointed in GSL for doing this? If viewership wasn't so low they wouldn't have to do this. And the reason viewership is so low because of blizzard's design.
Maybe they should stream something else then. I like to watch League tournaments.
On June 11 2015 01:10 Thax wrote: This is probably a dumb question but, can someone explain to me how this works exactly? They make it sound like it actually costs them more to operate a higher quality stream. Twitch doesn't charge companies like GOM to broadcast at higher qualities do they? And data is dirt cheap. If that extra data usage really does make the difference in their balance sheets they're in a lot more trouble than they're letting on, no? What am I missing?
They're claiming that they would have substantially higher income from people buying the good quality stream if the only offer a shit quality stream instead of a kinda bad one
How can people be so dumb ? Back in 2010 when GSL had lots of viewers, the quality was always on low. Ever since the quality of the stream has gone up, the number of viewer has declined. So now that they are back on low quality, gom will get as much viewers as they had back in 2010. Hell, some players may even comeback, I never saw Fruitdealer's face in high quality.
On June 11 2015 01:27 NihilisticGod wrote: Meh. GSL used to be my favoure SC2 tournament but now I'd rather Proleague, and oh look it's high quality for free...
On June 10 2015 23:28 Deathstar wrote: $8 too much for you people? watch the korean stream, watch on low, sub, or don't watch. Why so mad
there is an upcoming big SC2 event in Toronto and its 3 or 4 days long.
the individual day $8 tickets are sold out. the $20 full event passes are still available.
even small amounts of cash seem to be an issue.
$20 for 3 days is amazing.. i can't think of any live event .. even a baseball game which is a 7 day per week sport.. that has tickets priced that low.
only the day 2 and 3 (sat and sun) tickets that are sold out, so I think that's more of an issue of local people who work or whatever who can't make it on friday but want to go saturday and sunday
i'm probably only going on saturday and sunday , but i bought the $20 pass to support the event... its only $4 difference any way. 1 guy in the thread said he might not even attend , but he bought tickets just to support a local event.
the dirt cheap ticket prices provide an insight into how careful SC2 esports fans are about spending even the smallest amount of cash.
and we get the anger over GSL charging such a small fee noted by Deathstar. a single 3 hour UFC PPV is $60+ .
Good post. I read "carful" as cheap. All though in my opinion most of the GSL matches tend to be very boring and one sided I still find a season well worth the price. I think though the majority of people who are free viewers given the option of medium resolution or paying even just $5 per season would still watch for free while using adblock. To contribute nothing and expect everything for free is simply not reasonable.
On June 11 2015 01:10 Thax wrote: This is probably a dumb question but, can someone explain to me how this works exactly? They make it sound like it actually costs them more to operate a higher quality stream. Twitch doesn't charge companies like GOM to broadcast at higher qualities do they? And data is dirt cheap. If that extra data usage really does make the difference in their balance sheets they're in a lot more trouble than they're letting on, no? What am I missing?
My guess is that they're treating the english broadcast budget as separate from the korean broadcast budget, so those subs went towards tastosis salary, anyone who works on the english broadcast behind the scenes, etc. With low subs, the english broadcast is losing money, so they said they would rather go back to low quality to induce more subs over cutting the english broadcast completely to save money. It doesn't cost them more to operate a higher quality stream, since it's on twitch. It's just that there's less sub money coming in to pay tastosis, etc.
meh... bad move. This screams to me "we don't want to expand our foreign audience, we just need it to pay for the stream so we can focus on Korea." Which is a fine statement, we are just on the wrong sides of the border. :D
/sarcasm
Remember that it is not "buy this or we cut the English stream completely", since they can't do that if they want to stay an important WCS event.
The English broadcast is indeed separate from the Korean one. The Korean one is sponsored by Korean ads and cable fees, the English one... subs and ads.
Everybody uses adblock and nobody wants to sub (i am a sub since Open Season 1)... so no money. The low move won't work though, so I guess GSL in English is going to end real soon.
On June 11 2015 01:10 Thax wrote: This is probably a dumb question but, can someone explain to me how this works exactly? They make it sound like it actually costs them more to operate a higher quality stream. Twitch doesn't charge companies like GOM to broadcast at higher qualities do they? And data is dirt cheap. If that extra data usage really does make the difference in their balance sheets they're in a lot more trouble than they're letting on, no? What am I missing?
My guess is that they're treating the english broadcast budget as separate from the korean broadcast budget, so those subs went towards tastosis salary, anyone who works on the english broadcast behind the scenes, etc. With low subs, the english broadcast is losing money, so they said they would rather go back to low quality to induce more subs over cutting the english broadcast completely to save money. It doesn't cost them more to operate a higher quality stream, since it's on twitch. It's just that there's less sub money coming in to pay tastosis, etc.
I think that is quite a bit off. It is probably more or less that the companies who pay for advertising on GOM, are typically only going to pay for Korean viewers. Because they actually get views the korean viewers who view for free and watch ads are actually gaining gom money. Meanwhile the free foreign viewers do not contribute in the same fashion. The built in ads for whatever lets say Hot6 don't really mean much to foreign fans. After that most people have ad block. After that most don't pay the subscription. So, GOM receives very little from having foreign viewership, so this move basically is an attempt to make the foreign fan pay for a subscription if they want decent quality. Honestly though a better attempt to get the foreign fans to contribute with ad revenue would be to have a separate stream with separate advertisers that can appeal to the foreign audience. Like make Nick slam a redbull before every series -_-
On June 11 2015 01:21 Cazimirbzh wrote: Come one, end it!! kill the horrible blizzard monster!!! I know a lot of casual players who posted above prefer this format but i hate so much GOM and there still will be SSL.
On June 11 2015 00:43 midnight999 wrote: pffft, this is dumb. Get ready to lose viewers, gom.
What good are viewers who don't contribute
You should go outside in the real world.
Come one, end it!! kill the horrible blizzard monster!!! I know a lot of casual players who posted above prefer this format but i hate so much GOM and there still will be SSL.
i'm probably only going on saturday and sunday , but i bought the $20 pass to support the event... its only $4 difference any way. 1 guy in the thread said he might not even attend , but he bought tickets just to support a local event.
the dirt cheap ticket prices provide an insight into how careful SC2 esports fans are about spending even the smallest amount of cash.
and we get the anger over GSL charging such a small fee noted by Deathstar. a single 3 hour UFC PPV is $60+ .
Good for you. I contributed to Destiny's starcraft 2 competition even though I knew that I had no time to watch - it was only $20 but the SC2 scene is important to me so I will help when I can.
GSL has bills to pay. If they drop non-contributing viewers (and don't give me the crap about ads) then I do not see what they lose. They should release some key exciting matches in high resolution still so that people can understand what they get if they do subscribe.
On June 11 2015 01:36 Growiel wrote: The English broadcast is indeed separate from the Korean one. The Korean one is sponsored by Korean ads and cable fees, the English one... subs and ads.
Everybody uses adblock and nobody wants to sub (i am a sub since Open Season 1)... so no money. The low move won't work though, so I guess GSL in English is going to end real soon.
I don't think that nobody wants to sub. When I look at SSL, SPL, WCS chats in sub-only mode it's filled with people talking. And they still have high quality for free. How much increase in subs will this move bring? Maybe something like 10%. I'd say most people who didn't sub before will adapt and watch in low quality.
I subscribe to GSL whenver I know for a fact I can watch on a wednesday or Friday without fault. I knew I couldn't this season, I really enjoy GSL, but there's no way for me to enjoy this in such mind numbingly awful quality. You can't even see zerglings man. Even if you do subscribe you're stuck with high quality, source quality is like even more dosh, at least it was like that last season, that is really offensive imo.
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