• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:04
CEST 06:04
KST 13:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202561RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension5
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Server Blocker Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update The StarCraft 2 GOAT - An in-depth analysis
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Ginuda's JaeDong Interview Series [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign BW General Discussion Dewalt's Show Matches in China
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Post Pic of your Favorite Food!
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 694 users

GOM switches free quality of GSL back to low - Page 19

Forum Index > SC2 General
550 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 28 Next All
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
June 10 2015 16:59 GMT
#361
What do you guys do with your lives that you cant even afford a few dollars a month to support a game you love? GOM is not greedy, you guys are either cheap or gave up on SC2.
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
June 10 2015 17:01 GMT
#362
Damn. As much as I hate this, it is kind of making me want to sub to be able to watch..

Then again, I'll just look up results and have my teammates explain the interesting parts to me.
StarCraft | www.psistorm.com | www.twitter.com/MistakesSC | www.twitch.tv/MistakesSC | Seattle
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
June 10 2015 17:20 GMT
#363
On June 11 2015 00:46 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 00:43 midnight999 wrote:
pffft, this is dumb. Get ready to lose viewers, gom.


What good are viewers who don't contribute

I don't know, since we live in the 21st century, things like popularity, brand image and reputation?
Let's imagine a scenario, making two assumptions : (1) GOM and thus GSL are still around by LotV and (2) LotV is, at least for the first few months, enough of a success that it draws in players who haven't followed much (or at all) the pro scene in WoL and HotS.
What will these viewers do, when seeing two leagues, with a similar format, with the same players, broadcasted at the same time of the day, but one in Low quality while the other is in free Source? Do you really think that the major part of the viewerbase, the people who don't have the time or will or money to watch all the KR SC2 available, will watch GSL instead of SSL?
Who wins? SSL and literally everyone except GOM.
Who loses? GOM.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
June 10 2015 17:30 GMT
#364
On June 11 2015 01:36 Growiel wrote:
The English broadcast is indeed separate from the Korean one. The Korean one is sponsored .... the English one... subs and ads.



just subs and ads is not a sustainable business model.
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
June 10 2015 17:37 GMT
#365
On June 11 2015 01:59 swag_bro wrote:
What do you guys do with your lives that you cant even afford a few dollars a month to support a game you love? GOM is not greedy, you guys are either cheap or gave up on SC2.

I somewhat agree with you, however in this age every tournament ever has free medium and up, most of them have free source. And there's even a direct competitor in SSL which does as well. So it is natural to expect it.
fmod
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Cayman Islands330 Posts
June 10 2015 17:54 GMT
#366
What about the GomTV app? They still haven't added group C yet which was played a long time ago.
I don't particularly like you.
Kosak
Profile Joined August 2013
Czech Republic193 Posts
June 10 2015 17:58 GMT
#367
Hello GOM,

My name is Roman and I'm the head of my personal operations.

Thanks for letting me know that I shouldn't turn on your stream ever again. Atleast until you learn how to monetize your product, why streaming Code A is a must and why forcing people to sub just to make the content you produce actually watchable and enjoyable. Your decisions are built on a 2002 premise and make no actual sense in the grand scheme of things.

Thank you for understanding
Kosak

P.S. go fuck yourself

User was warned for this post
it's good to be the king
midnight999
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States257 Posts
June 10 2015 17:58 GMT
#368
On June 11 2015 00:46 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 00:43 midnight999 wrote:
pffft, this is dumb. Get ready to lose viewers, gom.


What good are viewers who don't contribute


Despite how retarded that question is, if that was the case, then why would GOM bother stream their content at all to the "viewers who don't contribute"?
ohmylanta1003
Profile Joined February 2015
United States128 Posts
June 10 2015 18:00 GMT
#369
On June 11 2015 01:01 Jintoss wrote:
GSL is no longer unique, and its no longer the best. Why would I pay double the market rate?

Adapt or close shop GSL.


Well...it has the best players, so what do you mean by "it's no longer the best"?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
June 10 2015 18:06 GMT
#370
On June 11 2015 03:00 ohmylanta1003 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 01:01 Jintoss wrote:
GSL is no longer unique, and its no longer the best. Why would I pay double the market rate?

Adapt or close shop GSL.


Well...it has the best players, so what do you mean by "it's no longer the best"?

I dare say SSL puts up a better show and has at least equally good players, so at very most GSL is equally good as SSL (for me).
ANGELIAS1234
Profile Joined September 2011
United States46 Posts
June 10 2015 18:06 GMT
#371
time to stop watching GSL aggain so money hungry
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
June 10 2015 18:08 GMT
#372
On June 11 2015 03:00 ohmylanta1003 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 01:01 Jintoss wrote:
GSL is no longer unique, and its no longer the best. Why would I pay double the market rate?

Adapt or close shop GSL.


Well...it has the best players, so what do you mean by "it's no longer the best"?


SSL has the same players, better production and a high quality stream. Ergo, it is better.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 18:16:04
June 10 2015 18:14 GMT
#373
i'll just learn french and watch it on OGamingTV. it started now, source quality.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
June 10 2015 18:16 GMT
#374
What are people bitching about? It's only $8 a month. You cant even get a movie ticket or a meal at mcdonalds for that cheap anymore. Lets keep some perspective here people.
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
Mojito99
Profile Joined October 2013
Germany154 Posts
June 10 2015 18:21 GMT
#375
On June 11 2015 03:14 xM(Z wrote:
i'll just learn french and watch it on OGamingTV. it started now, source quality.


This would be the greatest thing ever: Imagine the headline in the New York Times:

Korean Starcraft show lowering streaming quality causes the majority of the fan base of the global strategy game Starcraft to learn french.
Gnosis
Profile Joined December 2008
Scotland912 Posts
June 10 2015 18:24 GMT
#376
On June 11 2015 02:58 midnight999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 00:46 Deathstar wrote:
On June 11 2015 00:43 midnight999 wrote:
pffft, this is dumb. Get ready to lose viewers, gom.


What good are viewers who don't contribute


Despite how retarded that question is, if that was the case, then why would GOM bother stream their content at all to the "viewers who don't contribute"?


They don't, hence all the whining from viewers who don't contribute.
"Reason is flawless, de jure, but reasoners are not, de facto." – Peter Kreeft
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 18:25:48
June 10 2015 18:25 GMT
#377
On June 11 2015 03:21 Mojito99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 03:14 xM(Z wrote:
i'll just learn french and watch it on OGamingTV. it started now, source quality.


This would be the greatest thing ever: Imagine the headline in the New York Times:

Korean Starcraft show lowering streaming quality causes the majority of the fan base of the global strategy game Starcraft to learn french.

GOM's CEO would earn the Légion d'Honneur for this (and O'Gaming too)
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2225 Posts
June 10 2015 18:25 GMT
#378
On June 11 2015 03:16 ElMeanYo wrote:
What are people bitching about? It's only $8 a month. You cant even get a movie ticket or a meal at mcdonalds for that cheap anymore. Lets keep some perspective here people.


I think to understand the problematic here you have to compare the gsl stream to others. SSL has the same players, arguably better production and with Tastosis losing more and more passion each day probably better casters as well. Their stream is available for free in 720p and on azubu even in 1080p. While maybe not having the same calibre of players, the other points also apply for almost if not all other big sc2 tournaments. So why would people pay for something that is no longer the best or exclusive?

I actually am subscribed to GomTV myself as well don't get me wrong but I can understand why people are upset about this. Heck, in all major esports the really good streams are available for free in high quality. Why can't gom adapt?
Cogito, ergo Toss
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 18:43:52
June 10 2015 18:30 GMT
#379
On June 11 2015 03:21 Mojito99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 03:14 xM(Z wrote:
i'll just learn french and watch it on OGamingTV. it started now, source quality.


This would be the greatest thing ever: Imagine the headline in the New York Times:

Korean Starcraft show lowering streaming quality causes the majority of the fan base of the global strategy game Starcraft to learn french.

, i understand ~25% anyway and time-wise, it's better for me.
the french casters curse pretty hardcore sometimes; it adds to the passion i guess.

Edit: if only TL would feature the rebroadcast ...
hmm, i understand a lot actually .
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
paxconsciente
Profile Joined January 2015
Belgium91 Posts
June 10 2015 18:33 GMT
#380
Hey guys, I have an idea, actually do something!
You know, instead of letting this type of garbage happen all around the world, every day with almost every single business who likes to see how much they can cheat their viewers before they can revolt, we boycott gsl, and tell them that if they don't give us medium quality, we won't invest our time into watching their product when they couldn't care less about our viewing experience.

newsflash, GSL, SSL and Proleague are infinitely better then gsl right now and treating your customers like shit won't make you more money. not in the civilized, western world. or should I say it shouldn't if we actually took the time to monetarily punish those who try. Look what happened to steams payed mods, we shoved them back up their ass. this is what we should do with gsl too.

Pardon my hostility, but this is how it should be. goodbye GSL.
The best way to predict the future is to create it - Peter Drucker. <3 so0,ret,JD,Happy,Innovation,Snute
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 28 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 56m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft478
Nina 211
RuFF_SC2 128
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4833
GoRush 104
Sexy 70
NaDa 69
League of Legends
JimRising 568
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1253
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King164
amsayoshi45
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor40
Other Games
summit1g8891
shahzam968
C9.Mang0228
ViBE205
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1413
BasetradeTV16
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH86
• practicex 28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4871
• Lourlo1002
• Stunt368
• Scarra159
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
5h 56m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
9h 56m
CSO Cup
11h 56m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
13h 56m
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
1d 4h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 9h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 13h
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Online Event
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Esports World Cup 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL Team Wars
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.