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On June 11 2015 04:10 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:06 Mozdk wrote:On June 10 2015 15:42 NovemberstOrm wrote:Low Quality isn't going to be any better for business, in fact it'll be worse. Especially with the SSL. On June 10 2015 15:34 -Archangel- wrote:
At medium quality I spent few hours watching games. At low quality before that I spent 5 minutes watching. Now I will spend 0 minutes Yup pretty much :/ How can you possibly know that? Do you have access to the numbers? Are you a business and broadcast expert? GOM has based this decision on math with the data they. And done so to maximize their profit. How can you think you, as an outsider, have a better idea of what is best? You can dissagree with the decision, but it's from a viewer or moral perspective. Not a business one. by your logic no business would ever fail. you're just blindly assuming that they have the right read on their audience and are interpreting all their data intelligently because what? because they're a business? do you remember "new coke"? if coke can screw up with their audience i'm pretty sure GSL can lol
No. You don't know how logic works then. By my logic they base their business choices on the data they have. Which they all do. Where as this whole thread is based on feelings.
I am not saying it's not a mistake. I am saying it's their choice based on their data and analysis. Trying to arguy against the with feeling is pretty much the definition of extreme stupidity.
Who knows... This might be their last efford to try and save a sinking ship. If that is the case, would you still dissagree? If this is their only way to save GSL?
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No. You don't know how logic works then. By my logic they base their business choices on the data they have. Which they all do. Where as this whole thread is based on feelings.
Ok. So you're basically saying that the customers feelings doesn't weight against a company decision done with datas.
What some are saying in there is that a company goes NOWHERE if it just keep going against the customers.
Hum. Not nowhere. Just right in the wall. That's all.
Maybe it'll work just enought for them. I'm perfectly fine for that.
Or maybe it'll not. And i'm perfectly fine with that also.
That's how it works. There is an offer, there is a demand. If the offer is high, then those who just don't do quality offers get knocked out.
Just time will tell.
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what a joke of an organisation, GSL has gotten so much support throughout the whole of SC2 and give us shit quality stream, money well spent!
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I don't get why all these casual viewers are bitching. 'Oh I am a casual viewer so I don't want to pay for shit but I want to watch SSL, WCS, GSL, ...'. There is plenty of free content for casual viewers so go and watch those and skip the paywall ones - you don't have time to watch them all anyway do you, Mr Casual.
The business model of GSL is up to them and them alone. Just be glad that other companies can make enough in other ways to keep the freetards happy.
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That's really kind of saddening, doubt that move is going to save GSL if they're really in as deep as this suggests.
On June 11 2015 04:51 DeadByDawn wrote:
I don't get why all these casual viewers are bitching. 'Oh I am a casual viewer so I don't want to pay for shit but I want to watch SSL, WCS, GSL, ...'. There is plenty of free content for casual viewers so go and watch those and skip the paywall ones - you don't have time to watch them all anyway do you, Mr Casual.
The business model of GSL is up to them and them alone. Just be glad that other companies can make enough in other ways to keep the freetards happy.
Derision isn't a valid way of arguing. The community works as it will and it's up to GOM to pick up on that, not the other way around. If there's not enough people that want to pay for good quality GSL then there's not enough and GOM as a business will have to adapt to that reality.
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On June 11 2015 04:40 SkrollK wrote:Show nested quote +No. You don't know how logic works then. By my logic they base their business choices on the data they have. Which they all do. Where as this whole thread is based on feelings. Ok. So you're basically saying that the customers feelings doesn't weight against a company decision done with datas. What some are saying in there is that a company goes NOWHERE if it just keep going against the customers. Hum. Not nowhere. Just right in the wall. That's all. Maybe it'll work just enought for them. I'm perfectly fine for that. Or maybe it'll not. And i'm perfectly fine with that also. That's how it works. There is an offer, there is a demand. If the offer is high, then those who just don't do quality offers get knocked out. Just time will tell.
The feeling weigh in if they will cost the company money. Otherwise not no.
If people get pissed enough to boykot, their assessment has obviously been wrong, But their best guess is that this is not going to happen. Or they wouldn't have done this.
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On June 11 2015 04:53 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:40 SkrollK wrote:No. You don't know how logic works then. By my logic they base their business choices on the data they have. Which they all do. Where as this whole thread is based on feelings. Ok. So you're basically saying that the customers feelings doesn't weight against a company decision done with datas. What some are saying in there is that a company goes NOWHERE if it just keep going against the customers. Hum. Not nowhere. Just right in the wall. That's all. Maybe it'll work just enought for them. I'm perfectly fine for that. Or maybe it'll not. And i'm perfectly fine with that also. That's how it works. There is an offer, there is a demand. If the offer is high, then those who just don't do quality offers get knocked out. Just time will tell. The feeling weigh in if they will cost the company money. Otherwise not no. If people get pissed enough to boykot, their assessment has obviously been wrong, But their best guess is that this is not going to happen. Or they wouldn't have done this.
Yep, totally agree. That's why I just said that last line. 
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Tastetosis cant be paid less, they have families to support
besides, they are the SUPERSTARS of this industry
everything should revolve around them
you dont give Lebron James a paycut, you give him whatever he wants
Tastetosis are the king
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The superstars are the players, not the casters man. In basketball or in Starcraft.
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On June 11 2015 05:00 ZenithM wrote:
The superstars are the players, not the casters man. In basketball or in Starcraft.
when comparing Tastetosis to the other options thats arguable 
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nostalgia feeling intensifies
thanks gom
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Remember zoozoo bubble and the crazy audience engagement that happened with those ads? Gom apparently doesn't because they've never really done western targeted advertising unless it's fallen in their lap.
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What gets me unhappy... is the fact that even subscribing is a poor experience. Their ad periods are many minutes in length, with horrible music (swearing and inappropriate content included), loud (repeating) ads, and I can't feel comfortable inviting most friends or family to watch with me.
No wonder they are having problems getting people to watch or subscribe. The bought experience is really low!!
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Best marketing strategy i've ever seen. Offer a bad service to your client so he'll pay for better quality. GENIUS!!! GOM's owners should give lectures at universities to pass on this awesome marketing tactics.
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On June 10 2015 15:33 Dodgin wrote:
Wow that is really bad news, GSL global stream is that unprofitable that they have to incentivize subscribing that much.
I think the truth is that the entire SC2 scene is unprofitable without a freemium or PPV-based viewing model, which is what Blizzard should consider when reforming the game and its scene.
See for example: The demise of MLG, IPL, NASL and the fact that WCS is most likely an unprofitable loss-leader for a game that only makes its money from box sales unlike LoL, DOTA 2 or SMITE.
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On June 11 2015 03:36 bObA wrote:
That sucks as hell....
I will only watch SSL. Period
Then SSL monopoly will stab you in the back. Competition is a good thing. Plus a double individual league is great for players too.
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On June 11 2015 03:24 Gnosis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 02:58 midnight999 wrote:On June 11 2015 00:46 Deathstar wrote:On June 11 2015 00:43 midnight999 wrote:
pffft, this is dumb. Get ready to lose viewers, gom. What good are viewers who don't contribute Despite how retarded that question is, if that was the case, then why would GOM bother stream their content at all to the "viewers who don't contribute"? They don't, hence all the whining from viewers who don't contribute.
You really think viewers who don't directly pay GOM DON'T contribute anything? You sound like a business owner who only cares about money and I've seen plenty of businesses, big and small, fail because of this mindset.
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On June 11 2015 04:19 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:14 ZeromuS wrote:
My main question related to this is how can so many other streams offer things for free without using the "low" quality bait as it were.
Is GOM the only one willing to take this stance, or are they operating so much less efficiently than the other companies that they need to do this?
OGN's Proleague is a common comparison in this thread. The problem is Proleague is on TV and can make enough of Korean Television that international money won't make or break them. GSL must not be making enough from the Korean audience and the obvious thing to me is the lack of television and television level sponsors. GSL must also be having trouble building relationship seeing as SBENU only has a hand in PL and not the GSL. Of course the GSL vs OGN loyalty among koreans/korean employees/korean sponsors is always there too.
Is SSL also broadcast on TV? I was under the impression that they were online only, and they don't have to stream only in low.
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Let's all just send angry emails and attack GSL and chase away one more tournament organiser.
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What this all boils down to is that global subs is a small trickle of income for GOM, it wont make or break them. The GSL themselves say its no use investing more in global market. Meaning the return is small.
If they dont make a lot of money from us anyway then why focus the business plan for survival on getting money from us. Pissing the customers off isnt clever, GOM knows this, this is why they dont do this to the korean community. They do it to us because they dont care about our backlash or about us as consumers because the revenue we give them is too small for them to care if it disappears.
This pisses people off, they know what they are doing, thats why they dont do it to the korean scene. But they dont give a rats ass about the global audiance and therefore they treat us like dirt compared to koreans.
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