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On June 11 2015 06:08 Darthsanta13 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:19 BisuDagger wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 ZeromuS wrote: My main question related to this is how can so many other streams offer things for free without using the "low" quality bait as it were.
Is GOM the only one willing to take this stance, or are they operating so much less efficiently than the other companies that they need to do this?
OGN's Proleague is a common comparison in this thread. The problem is Proleague is on TV and can make enough of Korean Television that international money won't make or break them. GSL must not be making enough from the Korean audience and the obvious thing to me is the lack of television and television level sponsors. GSL must also be having trouble building relationship seeing as SBENU only has a hand in PL and not the GSL. Of course the GSL vs OGN loyalty among koreans/korean employees/korean sponsors is always there too. Is SSL also broadcast on TV? I was under the impression that they were online only, and they don't have to stream only in low. SSL is on TV, yes.
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Bisutopia19152 Posts
On June 11 2015 06:08 Darthsanta13 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:19 BisuDagger wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 ZeromuS wrote: My main question related to this is how can so many other streams offer things for free without using the "low" quality bait as it were.
Is GOM the only one willing to take this stance, or are they operating so much less efficiently than the other companies that they need to do this?
OGN's Proleague is a common comparison in this thread. The problem is Proleague is on TV and can make enough of Korean Television that international money won't make or break them. GSL must not be making enough from the Korean audience and the obvious thing to me is the lack of television and television level sponsors. GSL must also be having trouble building relationship seeing as SBENU only has a hand in PL and not the GSL. Of course the GSL vs OGN loyalty among koreans/korean employees/korean sponsors is always there too. Is SSL also broadcast on TV? I was under the impression that they were online only, and they don't have to stream only in low. Forgot to mention that. SSL is ogn and sbenu backed iirc so big money.
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On June 11 2015 07:09 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 06:08 Darthsanta13 wrote:On June 11 2015 04:19 BisuDagger wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 ZeromuS wrote: My main question related to this is how can so many other streams offer things for free without using the "low" quality bait as it were.
Is GOM the only one willing to take this stance, or are they operating so much less efficiently than the other companies that they need to do this?
OGN's Proleague is a common comparison in this thread. The problem is Proleague is on TV and can make enough of Korean Television that international money won't make or break them. GSL must not be making enough from the Korean audience and the obvious thing to me is the lack of television and television level sponsors. GSL must also be having trouble building relationship seeing as SBENU only has a hand in PL and not the GSL. Of course the GSL vs OGN loyalty among koreans/korean employees/korean sponsors is always there too. Is SSL also broadcast on TV? I was under the impression that they were online only, and they don't have to stream only in low. Forgot to mention that. SSL is ogn and sbenu backed iirc so big money.  SSL is SPOTV, afaik OGN has nothing to do with it. Also both SC2 Starleagues are sponsored by SBENU.
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Bisutopia19152 Posts
On June 11 2015 07:37 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 07:09 BisuDagger wrote:On June 11 2015 06:08 Darthsanta13 wrote:On June 11 2015 04:19 BisuDagger wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 ZeromuS wrote: My main question related to this is how can so many other streams offer things for free without using the "low" quality bait as it were.
Is GOM the only one willing to take this stance, or are they operating so much less efficiently than the other companies that they need to do this?
OGN's Proleague is a common comparison in this thread. The problem is Proleague is on TV and can make enough of Korean Television that international money won't make or break them. GSL must not be making enough from the Korean audience and the obvious thing to me is the lack of television and television level sponsors. GSL must also be having trouble building relationship seeing as SBENU only has a hand in PL and not the GSL. Of course the GSL vs OGN loyalty among koreans/korean employees/korean sponsors is always there too. Is SSL also broadcast on TV? I was under the impression that they were online only, and they don't have to stream only in low. Forgot to mention that. SSL is ogn and sbenu backed iirc so big money.  SSL is SPOTV, afaik OGN has nothing to do with it. Also both SC2 Starleagues are sponsored by SBENU. Lol. I know nothing about the sponsors then. Ignore my previous comments :D
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First, can we stop referring to people viewing the stream for free with ad block as customers. The customers are the people giving them money, which are they sponsors and subscribers. Free viewers are the product they offer to the sponsors at best, but not even that if the sponsor is a Koran company, aiming to increase sales in Korea.
The income from adds on twitch must be ridiculously low, seeing how few hours per month they stream, and how little you get per viewer per hour.
On June 11 2015 04:14 ZeromuS wrote: My main question related to this is how can so many other streams offer things for free without using the "low" quality bait as it were.
Is GOM the only one willing to take this stance, or are they operating so much less efficiently than the other companies that they need to do this?
I think they are the only ones doing it because they are the only ones that can do it successfully. I think any tournament would do it if they would get as many subscribers as gom. But they wouldn't, so they stick to what they can get, which is some sponsor and then trying to get as many free viewers they can to report back to the sponsors.
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On June 11 2015 04:59 mikumegurine wrote: Tastetosis cant be paid less, they have families to support
besides, they are the SUPERSTARS of this industry
everything should revolve around them
you dont give Lebron James a paycut, you give him whatever he wants
Tastetosis are the king
Except like Lebron this season. They've been carried by Matthew Dellevadova (Moonglade/Wolf/Valdes/Whoever they've brought in when Tastosis aren't available)
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So sad that there is such little money in starcraft right now.
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United Kingdom20274 Posts
On June 11 2015 01:35 schaf wrote: meh... bad move. This screams to me "we don't want to expand our foreign audience, we just need it to pay for the stream so we can focus on Korea." Which is a fine statement, we are just on the wrong sides of the border. :D
/sarcasm
Remember that it is not "buy this or we cut the English stream completely", since they can't do that if they want to stay an important WCS event.
Wasn't a requirement for WCS to have a certain quality stream?
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On June 11 2015 10:33 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 01:35 schaf wrote: meh... bad move. This screams to me "we don't want to expand our foreign audience, we just need it to pay for the stream so we can focus on Korea." Which is a fine statement, we are just on the wrong sides of the border. :D
/sarcasm
Remember that it is not "buy this or we cut the English stream completely", since they can't do that if they want to stay an important WCS event. Wasn't a requirement for WCS to have a certain quality stream?
Once again, GSL is special and does not follow the same rules.
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On June 11 2015 08:36 Cascade wrote: First, can we stop referring to people viewing the stream for free with ad block as customers.
anyone watching ( hence comsuming their product ) is a cutomer imo.
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good thing heroes of the storm and CSGO competitive streams are always 1080p/60fps
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On June 11 2015 11:06 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 08:36 Cascade wrote: First, can we stop referring to people viewing the stream for free with ad block as customers. anyone watching ( hence comsuming their product ) is a cutomer imo.
Exactly, there's a bunch of ads in the stream itself. Adblock/twitch adrevenue is irrelevant for a company the size of GOM.
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Ugh... This decision makes me sad and I see nothing good coming of it. I see no cost difference between low and medium or even high for that matter. I dont think ive even seen a community stream with less than high. Many people are just going to say "f*ck it" and not watch while some on the other hand will force themselves to sub, and judging from the comments so far there seems to be many more "f*ck it"s than subs. Also their reasoning behind it doesnt give me any confidence.
Starcraft 2 seems to be holding its own, but it feels fragile. I don't see this helping GSL gain more viewership, just milking what it has. It might work in the short run but I don't see it helping in the long. Starleague on the other hand seems to be gaining a lot more popularity and to me seems like a much better business plan.
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pretty sure it would be better to just have a radio broadcast at this point instead of low quality...probably save on my phone's data usage at work
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On June 11 2015 10:33 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 01:35 schaf wrote: meh... bad move. This screams to me "we don't want to expand our foreign audience, we just need it to pay for the stream so we can focus on Korea." Which is a fine statement, we are just on the wrong sides of the border. :D
/sarcasm
Remember that it is not "buy this or we cut the English stream completely", since they can't do that if they want to stay an important WCS event. Wasn't a requirement for WCS to have a certain quality stream?
They somehow bypassed it with a deal with Blizzard I assume. But Bliz won't tolerate them shutting out English viewers, that would be outright stupid.
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On June 11 2015 10:33 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 01:35 schaf wrote: meh... bad move. This screams to me "we don't want to expand our foreign audience, we just need it to pay for the stream so we can focus on Korea." Which is a fine statement, we are just on the wrong sides of the border. :D
/sarcasm
Remember that it is not "buy this or we cut the English stream completely", since they can't do that if they want to stay an important WCS event. Wasn't a requirement for WCS to have a certain quality stream? No, GSL and SSL are allowed not to follow WCS handbook 2015.
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On June 11 2015 05:45 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 15:33 Dodgin wrote: Wow that is really bad news, GSL global stream is that unprofitable that they have to incentivize subscribing that much. I think the truth is that the entire SC2 scene is unprofitable without a freemium or PPV-based viewing model, which is what Blizzard should consider when reforming the game and its scene. See for example: The demise of MLG, IPL, NASL and the fact that WCS is most likely an unprofitable loss-leader for a game that only makes its money from box sales unlike LoL, DOTA 2 or SMITE. I think MLG experimented with a PPV model for SC2 a while ago but I don't think it turned out as well as they hoped.
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On June 11 2015 17:15 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 05:45 Clbull wrote:On June 10 2015 15:33 Dodgin wrote: Wow that is really bad news, GSL global stream is that unprofitable that they have to incentivize subscribing that much. I think the truth is that the entire SC2 scene is unprofitable without a freemium or PPV-based viewing model, which is what Blizzard should consider when reforming the game and its scene. See for example: The demise of MLG, IPL, NASL and the fact that WCS is most likely an unprofitable loss-leader for a game that only makes its money from box sales unlike LoL, DOTA 2 or SMITE. I think MLG experimented with a PPV model for SC2 a while ago but I don't think it turned out as well as they hoped. Sc2 does have that many idiots that will pay big bucks to watch 2 minute boxing matches...
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Ssl is live in korea. I love going to watch it live great fun. Really disappointed with gsl the last few season. Caster just seem to be going through the motions.
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So in other words they didn't make anymore money than they did when it was on low aka the subscriber base didn't increase. Then they wonder why everyone says they are greedy? There are better channels to watch that don't force restrictions on quality since they broadcast it anyway. Some channels make you sub for vods and nobody has a problem with that. Somehow GSL manages to lose money when everyone else is broadcasting 3.5k bitrate also? I just don't get it. Oh well their shitty stream will eventually retire on twitch and good riddance.
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