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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 22:02:06
June 10 2015 21:59 GMT
#421
On June 11 2015 06:08 Darthsanta13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 04:19 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 11 2015 04:14 ZeromuS wrote:
My main question related to this is how can so many other streams offer things for free without using the "low" quality bait as it were.

Is GOM the only one willing to take this stance, or are they operating so much less efficiently than the other companies that they need to do this?


OGN's Proleague is a common comparison in this thread. The problem is Proleague is on TV and can make enough of Korean Television that international money won't make or break them. GSL must not be making enough from the Korean audience and the obvious thing to me is the lack of television and television level sponsors. GSL must also be having trouble building relationship seeing as SBENU only has a hand in PL and not the GSL. Of course the GSL vs OGN loyalty among koreans/korean employees/korean sponsors is always there too.


Is SSL also broadcast on TV? I was under the impression that they were online only, and they don't have to stream only in low.

SSL is on TV, yes.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19344 Posts
June 10 2015 22:09 GMT
#422
On June 11 2015 06:08 Darthsanta13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 04:19 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 11 2015 04:14 ZeromuS wrote:
My main question related to this is how can so many other streams offer things for free without using the "low" quality bait as it were.

Is GOM the only one willing to take this stance, or are they operating so much less efficiently than the other companies that they need to do this?


OGN's Proleague is a common comparison in this thread. The problem is Proleague is on TV and can make enough of Korean Television that international money won't make or break them. GSL must not be making enough from the Korean audience and the obvious thing to me is the lack of television and television level sponsors. GSL must also be having trouble building relationship seeing as SBENU only has a hand in PL and not the GSL. Of course the GSL vs OGN loyalty among koreans/korean employees/korean sponsors is always there too.


Is SSL also broadcast on TV? I was under the impression that they were online only, and they don't have to stream only in low.

Forgot to mention that. SSL is ogn and sbenu backed iirc so big money.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
June 10 2015 22:37 GMT
#423
On June 11 2015 07:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 06:08 Darthsanta13 wrote:
On June 11 2015 04:19 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 11 2015 04:14 ZeromuS wrote:
My main question related to this is how can so many other streams offer things for free without using the "low" quality bait as it were.

Is GOM the only one willing to take this stance, or are they operating so much less efficiently than the other companies that they need to do this?


OGN's Proleague is a common comparison in this thread. The problem is Proleague is on TV and can make enough of Korean Television that international money won't make or break them. GSL must not be making enough from the Korean audience and the obvious thing to me is the lack of television and television level sponsors. GSL must also be having trouble building relationship seeing as SBENU only has a hand in PL and not the GSL. Of course the GSL vs OGN loyalty among koreans/korean employees/korean sponsors is always there too.


Is SSL also broadcast on TV? I was under the impression that they were online only, and they don't have to stream only in low.

Forgot to mention that. SSL is ogn and sbenu backed iirc so big money.

SSL is SPOTV, afaik OGN has nothing to do with it. Also both SC2 Starleagues are sponsored by SBENU.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19344 Posts
June 10 2015 22:53 GMT
#424
On June 11 2015 07:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 07:09 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 11 2015 06:08 Darthsanta13 wrote:
On June 11 2015 04:19 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 11 2015 04:14 ZeromuS wrote:
My main question related to this is how can so many other streams offer things for free without using the "low" quality bait as it were.

Is GOM the only one willing to take this stance, or are they operating so much less efficiently than the other companies that they need to do this?


OGN's Proleague is a common comparison in this thread. The problem is Proleague is on TV and can make enough of Korean Television that international money won't make or break them. GSL must not be making enough from the Korean audience and the obvious thing to me is the lack of television and television level sponsors. GSL must also be having trouble building relationship seeing as SBENU only has a hand in PL and not the GSL. Of course the GSL vs OGN loyalty among koreans/korean employees/korean sponsors is always there too.


Is SSL also broadcast on TV? I was under the impression that they were online only, and they don't have to stream only in low.

Forgot to mention that. SSL is ogn and sbenu backed iirc so big money.

SSL is SPOTV, afaik OGN has nothing to do with it. Also both SC2 Starleagues are sponsored by SBENU.

Lol. I know nothing about the sponsors then. Ignore my previous comments :D
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
June 10 2015 23:36 GMT
#425
First, can we stop referring to people viewing the stream for free with ad block as customers. The customers are the people giving them money, which are they sponsors and subscribers. Free viewers are the product they offer to the sponsors at best, but not even that if the sponsor is a Koran company, aiming to increase sales in Korea.

The income from adds on twitch must be ridiculously low, seeing how few hours per month they stream, and how little you get per viewer per hour.



On June 11 2015 04:14 ZeromuS wrote:
My main question related to this is how can so many other streams offer things for free without using the "low" quality bait as it were.

Is GOM the only one willing to take this stance, or are they operating so much less efficiently than the other companies that they need to do this?


I think they are the only ones doing it because they are the only ones that can do it successfully. I think any tournament would do it if they would get as many subscribers as gom. But they wouldn't, so they stick to what they can get, which is some sponsor and then trying to get as many free viewers they can to report back to the sponsors.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 10 2015 23:43 GMT
#426
On June 11 2015 04:59 mikumegurine wrote:
Tastetosis cant be paid less, they have families to support

besides, they are the SUPERSTARS of this industry

everything should revolve around them

you dont give Lebron James a paycut, you give him whatever he wants

Tastetosis are the king


Except like Lebron this season. They've been carried by Matthew Dellevadova (Moonglade/Wolf/Valdes/Whoever they've brought in when Tastosis aren't available)
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Cluster__
Profile Joined September 2013
United States328 Posts
June 11 2015 01:24 GMT
#427
So sad that there is such little money in starcraft right now.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
June 11 2015 01:33 GMT
#428
On June 11 2015 01:35 schaf wrote:
meh... bad move. This screams to me "we don't want to expand our foreign audience, we just need it to pay for the stream so we can focus on Korea." Which is a fine statement, we are just on the wrong sides of the border. :D

/sarcasm

Remember that it is not "buy this or we cut the English stream completely", since they can't do that if they want to stay an important WCS event.


Wasn't a requirement for WCS to have a certain quality stream?
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Growiel
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)363 Posts
June 11 2015 01:36 GMT
#429
On June 11 2015 10:33 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 01:35 schaf wrote:
meh... bad move. This screams to me "we don't want to expand our foreign audience, we just need it to pay for the stream so we can focus on Korea." Which is a fine statement, we are just on the wrong sides of the border. :D

/sarcasm

Remember that it is not "buy this or we cut the English stream completely", since they can't do that if they want to stay an important WCS event.


Wasn't a requirement for WCS to have a certain quality stream?


Once again, GSL is special and does not follow the same rules.
StarCraft II for ever.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 11 2015 02:06 GMT
#430
On June 11 2015 08:36 Cascade wrote:
First, can we stop referring to people viewing the stream for free with ad block as customers.



anyone watching ( hence comsuming their product ) is a cutomer imo.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
June 11 2015 02:07 GMT
#431
good thing heroes of the storm and CSGO competitive streams are always 1080p/60fps
since 98'
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
June 11 2015 03:02 GMT
#432
On June 11 2015 11:06 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 08:36 Cascade wrote:
First, can we stop referring to people viewing the stream for free with ad block as customers.



anyone watching ( hence comsuming their product ) is a cutomer imo.


Exactly, there's a bunch of ads in the stream itself. Adblock/twitch adrevenue is irrelevant for a company the size of GOM.
NyxNax
Profile Joined March 2014
United States227 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 05:46:32
June 11 2015 05:43 GMT
#433
Ugh... This decision makes me sad and I see nothing good coming of it. I see no cost difference between low and medium or even high for that matter. I dont think ive even seen a community stream with less than high. Many people are just going to say "f*ck it" and not watch while some on the other hand will force themselves to sub, and judging from the comments so far there seems to be many more "f*ck it"s than subs. Also their reasoning behind it doesnt give me any confidence.

Starcraft 2 seems to be holding its own, but it feels fragile. I don't see this helping GSL gain more viewership, just milking what it has. It might work in the short run but I don't see it helping in the long. Starleague on the other hand seems to be gaining a lot more popularity and to me seems like a much better business plan.
datguy
Profile Joined August 2014
5 Posts
June 11 2015 05:44 GMT
#434
pretty sure it would be better to just have a radio broadcast at this point instead of low quality...probably save on my phone's data usage at work
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
June 11 2015 07:16 GMT
#435
On June 11 2015 10:33 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 01:35 schaf wrote:
meh... bad move. This screams to me "we don't want to expand our foreign audience, we just need it to pay for the stream so we can focus on Korea." Which is a fine statement, we are just on the wrong sides of the border. :D

/sarcasm

Remember that it is not "buy this or we cut the English stream completely", since they can't do that if they want to stay an important WCS event.


Wasn't a requirement for WCS to have a certain quality stream?


They somehow bypassed it with a deal with Blizzard I assume. But Bliz won't tolerate them shutting out English viewers, that would be outright stupid.
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
June 11 2015 08:05 GMT
#436
On June 11 2015 10:33 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 01:35 schaf wrote:
meh... bad move. This screams to me "we don't want to expand our foreign audience, we just need it to pay for the stream so we can focus on Korea." Which is a fine statement, we are just on the wrong sides of the border. :D

/sarcasm

Remember that it is not "buy this or we cut the English stream completely", since they can't do that if they want to stay an important WCS event.


Wasn't a requirement for WCS to have a certain quality stream?

No, GSL and SSL are allowed not to follow WCS handbook 2015.
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
June 11 2015 08:15 GMT
#437
On June 11 2015 05:45 Clbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 15:33 Dodgin wrote:
Wow that is really bad news, GSL global stream is that unprofitable that they have to incentivize subscribing that much.

I think the truth is that the entire SC2 scene is unprofitable without a freemium or PPV-based viewing model, which is what Blizzard should consider when reforming the game and its scene.

See for example: The demise of MLG, IPL, NASL and the fact that WCS is most likely an unprofitable loss-leader for a game that only makes its money from box sales unlike LoL, DOTA 2 or SMITE.

I think MLG experimented with a PPV model for SC2 a while ago but I don't think it turned out as well as they hoped.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
June 11 2015 08:18 GMT
#438
On June 11 2015 17:15 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 05:45 Clbull wrote:
On June 10 2015 15:33 Dodgin wrote:
Wow that is really bad news, GSL global stream is that unprofitable that they have to incentivize subscribing that much.

I think the truth is that the entire SC2 scene is unprofitable without a freemium or PPV-based viewing model, which is what Blizzard should consider when reforming the game and its scene.

See for example: The demise of MLG, IPL, NASL and the fact that WCS is most likely an unprofitable loss-leader for a game that only makes its money from box sales unlike LoL, DOTA 2 or SMITE.

I think MLG experimented with a PPV model for SC2 a while ago but I don't think it turned out as well as they hoped.

Sc2 does have that many idiots that will pay big bucks to watch 2 minute boxing matches...
winadil
Profile Joined January 2011
74 Posts
June 11 2015 10:05 GMT
#439
Ssl is live in korea. I love going to watch it live great fun. Really disappointed with gsl the last few season. Caster just seem to be going through the motions.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 10:40:45
June 11 2015 10:28 GMT
#440
So in other words they didn't make anymore money than they did when it was on low aka the subscriber base didn't increase. Then they wonder why everyone says they are greedy? There are better channels to watch that don't force restrictions on quality since they broadcast it anyway. Some channels make you sub for vods and nobody has a problem with that. Somehow GSL manages to lose money when everyone else is broadcasting 3.5k bitrate also? I just don't get it. Oh well their shitty stream will eventually retire on twitch and good riddance.
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