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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28476 Posts
June 11 2015 22:03 GMT
#461
Moonglade is indeed a GM on the Korean ladder (and I believe Valdes is a Korean diamond).
I Protoss winner, could it be?
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
June 11 2015 22:10 GMT
#462
That's great because I still remember Valdes and Moonglade not remembering a match that happened just days before and that really was not good.

I really hope that they get better fast. But I am pretty sure tastosis can still do the same style of casting as them with better performance and that was the point in my argument.
Suichoy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada397 Posts
June 12 2015 06:09 GMT
#463
I popped into the GSL rebroadcast and chat was in sub mode: it was an absolute graveyard, dead silent. Pretty sure this is going to be the nail in the coffin as GSL takes away pretty much any point to watch the channel.
cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 07:23:16
June 12 2015 07:19 GMT
#464
A company wants to make money off their product, and not give a free alternative to their customers.

Riot.

And don't take your anger out on Tastosis.... What a sad thread.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
June 12 2015 09:16 GMT
#465
On June 12 2015 07:03 Penev wrote:
Moonglade is indeed a GM on the Korean ladder (and I believe Valdes is a Korean diamond).

Just noting on yesterdays game from S*L(Stats vs Classic) where both commentators missed 2 blocked colossi behind buildings which probably cost the game. Both went on and on about concave fight. One of them was Moonglade Shit happens, but I dare to say this wouldn't happen to Tastosis(by some Murphy's law it will happen today in GSL ). But maybe I am just a fanboy

And I don't want to say Moonglade is bad caster. He's excellent when ZvX is going on(maybe the best). But man, when there's no Zerg involved he's a lot of time wrong too. And I am talking about PvX mostly, because I play Protoss and see(hear) what he's talking about and laugh for myself from time to time.

And I will repeat it one more time - he's not bad. He's actually pretty good, I would put him probably as #3 on my list today, he improved a lot. But he should be more careful about other races, I think Artosis is doing the same so his lack of knowledge is not that obvious.
(and again and again - Moonglade is GM player - his lack of knowledge is so small it's laughable to talk about, but it is there)

Also, as someone mentioned - their off topic is actually pretty good and will fade away in LotV. I love more the casting when they are not saying obvious things because I can see it. It's not a radio, duh

I think that in the future Wolf/Valdez/Moonglade will be better than Tastosis, they improved a lot(which is not weird because they cast a lot ).
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28476 Posts
June 12 2015 09:25 GMT
#466
On June 12 2015 18:16 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 07:03 Penev wrote:
Moonglade is indeed a GM on the Korean ladder (and I believe Valdes is a Korean diamond).

Just noting on yesterdays game from S*L(Stats vs Classic) where both commentators missed 2 blocked colossi behind buildings which probably cost the game. Both went on and on about concave fight. One of them was Moonglade Shit happens, but I dare to say this wouldn't happen to Tastosis(by some Murphy's law it will happen today in GSL ). But maybe I am just a fanboy

And I don't want to say Moonglade is bad caster. He's excellent when ZvX is going on(maybe the best). But man, when there's no Zerg involved he's a lot of time wrong too. And I am talking about PvX mostly, because I play Protoss and see(hear) what he's talking about and laugh for myself from time to time.

And I will repeat it one more time - he's not bad. He's actually pretty good, I would put him probably as #3 on my list today, he improved a lot. But he should be more careful about other races, I think Artosis is doing the same so his lack of knowledge is not that obvious.
(and again and again - Moonglade is GM player - his lack of knowledge is so small it's laughable to talk about, but it is there)

Also, as someone mentioned - their off topic is actually pretty good and will fade away in LotV. I love more the casting when they are not saying obvious things because I can see it. It's not a radio, duh

I think that in the future Wolf/Valdez/Moonglade will be better than Tastosis, they improved a lot(which is not weird because they cast a lot ).

Cursing the curser, nice!

Yeah, all of them make mistakes from time to time. If you've been commentating for ours than that is bound to happen. I feel people are oftentimes way too critical about it. I actually like all five of them. And I like variety, some people are really stuck at trying to determine "the best" for everything.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
June 12 2015 09:56 GMT
#467
On June 12 2015 16:19 cheekymonkey wrote:
A company wants to make money off their product, and not give a free alternative to their customers.

Riot.

And don't take your anger out on Tastosis.... What a sad thread.


and they aren't going to make any money doing this. if it isn't working, they need to find a new business model, because giving everyone garbage quality and forcing a paywall on twitch, where they are, oh, literally the only entity in gaming doing this, simply won't get it done. blizzard had the opportunity when this game was big to step in and subsidize/unify the esports aspect of it, like Riot did, but by the time they figured that out they were way too late and then they basically gave up. now GOM has to do it on their own, in a market where their old strategy simply is no longer viable, and the game is far less popular than it was back in 2011. at best they just have their head in the sand.
effecto
Profile Joined February 2011
France142 Posts
June 12 2015 10:02 GMT
#468
I just subscribed, gotta support what you enjoy

I hope this isn't the slow death of GSL!
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True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 10:07:11
June 12 2015 10:03 GMT
#469
Bad business model. I won't watch the games at all now. Will that make it better for them? I hardly watched with medium quality. It's either ultra or nothing, it's 2015, not 2010. Incentivise subscriptions by other means - a paywall simply won't work.
sparklewolf
Profile Joined August 2014
65 Posts
June 12 2015 10:25 GMT
#470
im watching low quality fullscreen on a 2560x1440 monitor

it's fine

stop whining you greedy entitled little shits. pay up or fuck off.



User was temp banned for this post.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
June 12 2015 10:39 GMT
#471
On June 12 2015 07:10 swissman777 wrote:
That's great because I still remember Valdes and Moonglade not remembering a match that happened just days before and that really was not good.

I really hope that they get better fast. But I am pretty sure tastosis can still do the same style of casting as them with better performance and that was the point in my argument.

I wouldn't call it an argument. It's your opinion. My favorite Korean duo is Valdes and Moonglade.

As far as skill goes, Moonglade is the only one who streams as far as I know. The rest might be in bronze for all we know.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
June 12 2015 10:50 GMT
#472
On June 12 2015 19:39 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 07:10 swissman777 wrote:
That's great because I still remember Valdes and Moonglade not remembering a match that happened just days before and that really was not good.

I really hope that they get better fast. But I am pretty sure tastosis can still do the same style of casting as them with better performance and that was the point in my argument.

I wouldn't call it an argument. It's your opinion. My favorite Korean duo is Valdes and Moonglade.

As far as skill goes, Moonglade is the only one who streams as far as I know. The rest might be in bronze for all we know.


I was writing paragraphs and paragraphs on why tastosis is still better than the other three at this moment. I was stating my reasons for my opinion, which qualifies as an argument.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
June 12 2015 10:59 GMT
#473
On June 12 2015 19:50 swissman777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 19:39 TRaFFiC wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:10 swissman777 wrote:
That's great because I still remember Valdes and Moonglade not remembering a match that happened just days before and that really was not good.

I really hope that they get better fast. But I am pretty sure tastosis can still do the same style of casting as them with better performance and that was the point in my argument.

I wouldn't call it an argument. It's your opinion. My favorite Korean duo is Valdes and Moonglade.

As far as skill goes, Moonglade is the only one who streams as far as I know. The rest might be in bronze for all we know.


I was writing paragraphs and paragraphs on why tastosis is still better than the other three at this moment. I was stating my reasons for my opinion, which qualifies as an argument.

That is admittedly true. Though, imo, this is akin to arguing over whether blue or green is better. Pointless.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28476 Posts
June 12 2015 11:08 GMT
#474
On June 12 2015 19:59 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 19:50 swissman777 wrote:
On June 12 2015 19:39 TRaFFiC wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:10 swissman777 wrote:
That's great because I still remember Valdes and Moonglade not remembering a match that happened just days before and that really was not good.

I really hope that they get better fast. But I am pretty sure tastosis can still do the same style of casting as them with better performance and that was the point in my argument.

I wouldn't call it an argument. It's your opinion. My favorite Korean duo is Valdes and Moonglade.

As far as skill goes, Moonglade is the only one who streams as far as I know. The rest might be in bronze for all we know.


I was writing paragraphs and paragraphs on why tastosis is still better than the other three at this moment. I was stating my reasons for my opinion, which qualifies as an argument.

That is admittedly true. Though, imo, this is akin to arguing over whether blue or green is better. Pointless.

Blue ofc. Sheesh
I Protoss winner, could it be?
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
June 12 2015 11:19 GMT
#475
On June 12 2015 19:59 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 19:50 swissman777 wrote:
On June 12 2015 19:39 TRaFFiC wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:10 swissman777 wrote:
That's great because I still remember Valdes and Moonglade not remembering a match that happened just days before and that really was not good.

I really hope that they get better fast. But I am pretty sure tastosis can still do the same style of casting as them with better performance and that was the point in my argument.

I wouldn't call it an argument. It's your opinion. My favorite Korean duo is Valdes and Moonglade.

As far as skill goes, Moonglade is the only one who streams as far as I know. The rest might be in bronze for all we know.


I was writing paragraphs and paragraphs on why tastosis is still better than the other three at this moment. I was stating my reasons for my opinion, which qualifies as an argument.

That is admittedly true. Though, imo, this is akin to arguing over whether blue or green is better. Pointless.


Please do give me at least two reasons why it's pointless. It's hard to believe you otherwise.
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
June 12 2015 11:20 GMT
#476
On June 12 2015 20:08 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 19:59 TRaFFiC wrote:
On June 12 2015 19:50 swissman777 wrote:
On June 12 2015 19:39 TRaFFiC wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:10 swissman777 wrote:
That's great because I still remember Valdes and Moonglade not remembering a match that happened just days before and that really was not good.

I really hope that they get better fast. But I am pretty sure tastosis can still do the same style of casting as them with better performance and that was the point in my argument.

I wouldn't call it an argument. It's your opinion. My favorite Korean duo is Valdes and Moonglade.

As far as skill goes, Moonglade is the only one who streams as far as I know. The rest might be in bronze for all we know.


I was writing paragraphs and paragraphs on why tastosis is still better than the other three at this moment. I was stating my reasons for my opinion, which qualifies as an argument.

That is admittedly true. Though, imo, this is akin to arguing over whether blue or green is better. Pointless.

Blue ofc. Sheesh

Please.

Green is the color of nature and spring. Symbolizing growth and fertility. Also, green man: go.

Blue is color of cold. And being sad.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 11:23:58
June 12 2015 11:22 GMT
#477
Their mistake is thinking that enough people still care about the GSL that their number of subscribers will go up because people are enough people desperate to watch it in decent quality at whatever cost.

They are mistaken.

They no longer have a monopoly on high level Korean starcraft and, quite frankly, no longer deliver a superior product to their competitors. It's time for them to change or die, and this is not the right change.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28476 Posts
June 12 2015 11:25 GMT
#478
On June 12 2015 20:20 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 20:08 Penev wrote:
On June 12 2015 19:59 TRaFFiC wrote:
On June 12 2015 19:50 swissman777 wrote:
On June 12 2015 19:39 TRaFFiC wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:10 swissman777 wrote:
That's great because I still remember Valdes and Moonglade not remembering a match that happened just days before and that really was not good.

I really hope that they get better fast. But I am pretty sure tastosis can still do the same style of casting as them with better performance and that was the point in my argument.

I wouldn't call it an argument. It's your opinion. My favorite Korean duo is Valdes and Moonglade.

As far as skill goes, Moonglade is the only one who streams as far as I know. The rest might be in bronze for all we know.


I was writing paragraphs and paragraphs on why tastosis is still better than the other three at this moment. I was stating my reasons for my opinion, which qualifies as an argument.

That is admittedly true. Though, imo, this is akin to arguing over whether blue or green is better. Pointless.

Blue ofc. Sheesh

Please.

Green is the color of nature and spring. Symbolizing growth and fertility. Also, green man: go.

Blue is color of cold. And being sad.

All these years I supported the wrong color D:
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
June 12 2015 11:28 GMT
#479
Blue is a better colour, as you can use it together with red without causing problems for colour blind. Also, bright colours of green display really poorly on many projects and screen, making it unsuitable for many applications. Taking a colour as blue, you can use dark blue, bright blue and cyan, all displaying well and being easily distinguishable. And don't even mention yellow.
isparavanje
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
62 Posts
June 12 2015 12:10 GMT
#480
So I'm guessing everyone in this thread is a MBA and knows GomTV's business model better than them...?
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