EPTGSL isn't the only high level sc2, not sure why they think they can downgrade in the year of our lord 2015 where every stream is basically high or even source quality for free in the other esports (haven't watched SC2 in awhile tbh)
GOM switches free quality of GSL back to low - Page 25
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las91
United States5080 Posts
GSL isn't the only high level sc2, not sure why they think they can downgrade in the year of our lord 2015 where every stream is basically high or even source quality for free in the other esports (haven't watched SC2 in awhile tbh) | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
 we need the thread name visible when you post comments... | ||
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Aervhorn
Norway67 Posts
11:00 CET -> Europeans are at school or work. 05:00 EDT -> Americans are asleep They seriously want us to pay to watch a stream in these hours? Watching the VODs is pointless when winners are announced via social media and other news stations by the time you are able to watch them. | ||
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Penev
28530 Posts
On June 12 2015 21:33 las91 wrote: just watch SSL and the other leagues that go on. GSL isn't the only high level sc2, not sure why they think they can downgrade in the year of our lord 2015 where every stream is basically high or even source quality for free in the other esports (haven't watched SC2 in awhile tbh) It's the same in SC2. GSL is the only one who's doing this. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On June 12 2015 20:28 Cascade wrote: Blue is a better colour, as you can use it together with red without causing problems for colour blind. Also, bright colours of green display really poorly on many projects and screen, making it unsuitable for many applications. Taking a colour as blue, you can use dark blue, bright blue and cyan, all displaying well and being easily distinguishable. And don't even mention yellow. What have I started xD | ||
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Penev
28530 Posts
You were wrong btw; I was blue but got convinced to switch to green. It's not pointless! | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On June 12 2015 21:39 Aervhorn wrote: GSL typically comes on air at Korean prime-time. However, this corresponds to 11:00 CET -> Europeans are at school or work. 05:00 EDT -> Americans are asleep They seriously want us to pay to watch a stream in these hours? Watching the VODs is pointless when winners are announced via social media and other news stations by the time you are able to watch them. It takes place in korea. You'd expect the players to play at 2 am? | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
You can say it's a bad business model but at this point I'm pretty sure GOM isn't looking to increase subs, there trying to stop the bleeding. I'm assuming there probably wasn't a huge influx of subs when they increased to medium quality which means just money loss. Keeping it medium quailty won't do anything for their bottom line, this won't magically bring viewers/players back who have moved to other games. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On June 13 2015 01:51 PartyBiscuit wrote: Ya'll complaining too much or are delusional. SC2 viewership has been in substantial decline for a while now and the player pool is stagnant and shrinking. The first posters who said GSL isn't the only league in Korea...okay...lets remove it, there won't be a replacement league, you know just have SSL and proleague. (and I'm sure SSL faces the exact same challenges). You can say it's a bad business model but at this point I'm pretty sure GOM isn't looking to increase subs, there trying to stop the bleeding. I'm assuming there probably wasn't a huge influx of subs when they increased to medium quality which means just money loss. Keeping it medium quailty won't do anything for their bottom line, this won't magically bring viewers/players back who have moved to other games. You do realize that because it is a Korean Tournament their main income should be extract out of the regional market (hint: korean sponsors etc.). I posted some pages before that GOM always did a really BAD job at creating content for foreigners and by that attracting global-sponsors. You can NEVER sustain a venture like GSL only with subscription. To now say the community complains too much or is dellusional is pretty ... wrong. If someone/thing is dellusional it is GOM for believing that this change will change anything in their numbers ... With increasing total viewer numbers you'd had at least a way to aquire sponsors ... well .. now it's possibly too late to attract sponsors for SC2. You don't do business in the current web with paywalls. You do business with ads, sponsors and affilates. By a smaller margin; dontations ("decide how much you pay") and by a way smaller margin with subscription models. IF you do subscription based businesses you at least need to offer your customer something for their money in return (which GOM doesn't do). | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5221 Posts
On June 13 2015 01:51 PartyBiscuit wrote: Keeping it medium quailty won't do anything for their bottom line, this won't magically bring viewers/players back who have moved to other games. But it could help in the long term for getting people interested in the GSL. If someone brand new to the game watches the GSL and sees the quality they won't bother with it. But if they have medium quality and like it, they might subscribe. Either way, low quality free streams aren't going to attract potential viewers. And SC2 needs to attract new viewers if it is going to be a viable E-Sport. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On June 13 2015 02:02 BronzeKnee wrote: But it could help in the long term for getting people interested in the GSL. If someone brand new to the game watches the GSL and sees the quality they won't bother with it. But if they have medium quality and like it, they might subscribe. Either way, low quality free streams aren't going to attract potential viewers. And SC2 needs to attract new viewers if it is going to be a viable E-Sport. Just imagine some guy who watched Rocketbeans Archon-mode Tournament want to tune in to the "best" SC2 league and won't see anything besides 4 big pixels changing color from time to time. Great viewership nurturing! I'd even go as far as saying that GOM only has their current viewership because they still feeding from their reputation (WoL times). | ||
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
I love GSL and I don't mind paying for their product. GSL is way better than Proleague and SSL in my opinion, however I get their content for free. I wouldn't mind paying for their product either, though. Don't think that they are making such a buck for not requiring subscriptions. | ||
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MidnightZL
Sweden203 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On June 13 2015 06:46 MidnightZL wrote: geez if u really like it u can just pay 5$? its not that much tbh, and if u dont like it skip it... there are other sources of sc2 out there. When I made $9/hr working at a gas station back in early WoL days, I still coughed up enough for the premium service, haha. Like you, I can't believe people have so much trouble giving a little back for some great content. I don't even watch the streams, just VODs usually. | ||
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partydude89
1850 Posts
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Befree
695 Posts
On June 13 2015 03:19 cheekymonkey wrote: Some people here act like it's their privilege to watch GSL in high quality for free. Don't act like you know GOM's financial situation better, you don't. They have obviously experimented for a long time, and have a lot of experience in what works and what doesn't. People are just mad at GOM for forcing you to pay for their high-quality stream and vods, and come off with these weird arguments for how GOM is acting stupidly and that their product is shit. It's pretty sad. Low quality won't bring in more freeloaders, but it will probably make more actually interested people inclined to subscribe for a better product. That's the prioritization they have made, deal with it. I love GSL and I don't mind paying for their product. GSL is way better than Proleague and SSL in my opinion, however I get their content for free. I wouldn't mind paying for their product either, though. Don't think that they are making such a buck for not requiring subscriptions. What an incredibly peculiar way to view "free" streams. Certainly you realize that they *want* people to view it? You use the term "freeloader" in a very ignorant manner. These people complaining are their customers. The product they're receiving has been substantially reduced and they're voicing their concerns. GOM wants viewers, GOM wants feedback. You seem to not understand this. I don't know if there's a single other professional e-sports tournament in existence that has a restriction as extreme as this. It's natural to question GOM's decision to make such a unique change. They've always been an extraordinarily poor company at the global broadcast level. I've purchased many many GSL tickets and had wonderful times with the tournament, but that does not mean I cannot recognize the absolutely archaic garbage that is their streaming service. They need to catch up with the rest of the world, but with this news, it sounds like they're only regressing. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On June 13 2015 03:19 cheekymonkey wrote: Some people here act like it's their privilege to watch GSL in high quality for free. Don't act like you know GOM's financial situation better, you don't. They have obviously experimented for a long time, and have a lot of experience in what works and what doesn't. People are just mad at GOM for forcing you to pay for their high-quality stream and vods, and come off with these weird arguments for how GOM is acting stupidly and that their product is shit. It's pretty sad. Low quality won't bring in more freeloaders, but it will probably make more actually interested people inclined to subscribe for a better product. That's the prioritization they have made, deal with it. I love GSL and I don't mind paying for their product. GSL is way better than Proleague and SSL in my opinion, however I get their content for free. I wouldn't mind paying for their product either, though. Don't think that they are making such a buck for not requiring subscriptions. On June 13 2015 06:46 MidnightZL wrote: geez if u really like it u can just pay 5$? its not that much tbh, and if u dont like it skip it... there are other sources of sc2 out there. On June 13 2015 12:39 mierin wrote: When I made $9/hr working at a gas station back in early WoL days, I still coughed up enough for the premium service, haha. Like you, I can't believe people have so much trouble giving a little back for some great content. I don't even watch the streams, just VODs usually. Three people in a row who don't understand the basis of why this is not only a bad move for GOM, but why it makes no sense in comparison to the other content available . | ||
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Balfazar
Australia483 Posts
If you don't like the low quality, get your wallet out. I've bought a ticket for every season of GOM since the Open Season 1 (including GSTL) and with the exception of the latter seasons of GSTL it was all money well spent. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On June 13 2015 16:17 Balfazar wrote: If people actually read the explanation you'd see that he basically said that if the free Medium stream was sustained GOM would go out of business. You could say he is simply lying but GOM have built a reputation for being straight over the years. It goes without saying that it is better to have a low quality free stream than for the tournament to die. If you don't like the low quality, get your wallet out. I've bought a ticket for every season of GOM since the Open Season 1 (including GSTL) and with the exception of the latter seasons of GSTL it was all money well spent. Hahahahaha. You really, honestly believe the half cut of subs on Twitch is what keeps the GOM studio and whole production afloat? Really, honestly? And just so you are clear, what they say is that it 'less profitable' - not that they're going to close shop because of it. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
 The arguments seem to be roughly "They are a private company, they can do what they want." "Everyone else have free HQ, so GOM should too." "This is bad business for GOM, they will lose all the viewers and get no new subs" "GOM knows their business better than [opposing poster] does" "The Koreans get HQ for free" "x$ isn't that much, get over it" "They don't treat their customers well" "Free viewers are not customers" I think each of these have been repeated and in turn ridiculed many times in this thread, so feel free to go back and see why people didn't like the comment you are about to write before you (yes, you there at the keyboard. I see you. No, hiding under the desk wont help. That's right, come back out. Yes, you.) post it in the 7:th iteration. Other things also mentioned several times, as if they had a meaningful contribution to the discussion: "Entitled freeloading brats" "Greedy GOM bastards" "What are you stupid?" "You don't know what you are talking about" "lol" "hahaha" | ||
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